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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Nairnshire => Topic started by: katman on Tuesday 25 March 08 10:14 GMT (UK)
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I am seeking any info on my grt grandfather, James Ritchie, who, according to two Dundee census counts, was born in Auldearn c1855. His parents were James Ritchie and Ann McIntosh, but I have also failed to find info on them, other than Ann may have been born in Invergordon.
Help!
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Hi katman
Did the information on his parents names come from a marriage or death certificate?
Do you know what his father's occupation was?
Also, which 2 Census do you have him in?
Cheers ;D
AMBLY
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hi all
1881 census(ancestry)
6 rose st. , liff , angus
ann ritchie 51 born invergordon inverness'shire jute mill worker
james ritchie son 25 born aldairn nairnshire carter
ev
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Thanks ev, also in 1901 census Lochee/Dundee
14 Sharps Lane, James Ritchie aged 44 born Nairn
His father, also James, was a ploughman
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hi katman :)
as ambly says do you have certificates for james naming mother & father
can't see anything on IGI
ev
ps sorry just noticed
welcome to rootschat :)
pps my other halfs great grand father was married in queensland 1888
harry payne goldminer to christina duff mill(milne)
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I've just cross checked James' marriage and death regos, and confirm his parents names as James Ritchie and Ann McIntosh
He married Mary Ann Craig in Dundee 8/4/1881
and died in Dundee 23/11/1930
My wife calls this mystery, 'The case of the disappearing teuchters' ;D
Thanks for the welcome.
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katman
think this is them on 1891 census
please keep in mind i'm not looking at original but a transcibed copy
(ancestry) which might not be 100%
liff & benvie angus
james ritchie 35 born nairnshire quarrier
mary ann ritchie 33 wife born dundee jute parver(?) loom weaver
mary ann daug. 10 born lochee scholar
james 9 son born lochee scholar
agnes 7 daug. born lochee scholar
john 5 son born liff & benvie
euphemia 1 daug. born liff & benvie
ann ritchie mother 70(?) born PA tamus(Q) , rossshire(?)
lochee , liff & benvie are to the west of dundee and nowadays are districts
of dundee
ev(scotland)
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That's them for sure, ev, but his parents seem have disapeppered into thin air!
Bedtime down here, (10:50 pm). Ta for the help.
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Hi Katman
I wonder - is this James in the 1871:
3 Gordon Street, Lochee, Liff Benvie & Invergowrie, Angus
Ref: 282/5 . ED 8 , pg 31
Head: Ann McINTOSH 45, Millworker, b Annus??, Rosshire
Son: James McINTOSH 14, Millworker, b Nairn, Nairnshire
I think the birthplace here of Ann is possibly meant to be "Alness".
Possibly would need a look at the original 1871 for the POB, as well as to see if the pair of them are in fact enumerated as McINTOSH - it's possible just Ann is (it was relatively common for married and widowed Scottish woman to use their maiden name, particulary widows).
When James married, 5 days after the 1881 Census - what address did he give on the marriage cert?
Cheers
AMBLY
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ambly :D
well done 8)
suspect something not quite right on IGI
but maybe the family didn't have anything to do with the church
ev :-\
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James' 1881 marriage extract gives his address as 6 Rose Street Lochee.
I really like the 1871 census McIntosh theory, Ambly. Although there's a five year discrepancy in Ann's age, James' is spot on, and the birthplaces are much the same as other census copies. I'll do a bit more delving into the mass/mess of papers I have. Could it be that James was illegit and she added the Ritchie surname later?
The thlot pickens ::)
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Just had a shufty at Ann's death extract, she died July 1903, still aged the 70 years she was in the 1901 census, but death cert ages are notoriously unreliable, as they relied on info/guesswork supplied by the family. Her parents are given as Donald McIntosh and Margaret Cattanach
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Hi Katman ;D
I wonder if this is Ann and son James in 1861......ages are out though.....
Victoria Lodging House Aberdeen, St Nicholas, Aberdeen,
parish #168A , page 1
Servant: Ann McINTOSH 29, House Servant, b Nairn
Servant: Jas. RITCHIE 3, scholar, b Nairn
They are on the same page. There are a lot of servants. There is no other RITCHIE on the page.
Again (as for the 1871, and 1891 especially) I think this would warrant a look at the original image to see if:
a) They are listed next to each other
b) Ann's marital status is widow, married or single.
c) Confirm enumerated ages
All through the other Census : 1871 (if it's them), 1881, 1891 Ann appears to have had just the one child, James. The illigitimate theory for James is a great possibility - as well as the possibility Ann was married to James RITCHIE who died (or disappeared) possibly sometime shortly following son James' birth (which seems closer to 1856/1857 than 1855?)
Ann's death cert :
Where did she die?
Did it say she was the widow of James RITCHIE? Or just that she was a widow?
Summary:
1861: Poss Aberdeen Ann 29 (1832 Nairn); James 3 (1858 Nairn)
1871: Poss Lochee: Ann 45 (1826 Annus [Alness??], Ross & Cromarty); James 14 (1857 Nairn)
1881: Definite Lochee: Ann 51 (1830 Invergordon, Inverness), James 25 (1856 Aldairn, Nairn)
1891: Definite Lochee : Ann 70 (1821 ----? Rosshire), James 35 (1856 Nairn)
1901: Definte: James 44 (1857 Nairn)
You say Ann was 70 in 1901 Census? Or did you mean the 1891 (where the transcript says 70, but possibly meant to be 60)? I can't see her in 1901 with James.....
Cheers
AMBLY
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Also, noted: I google McINTOSH ALNESS - a whole lot of pages come up
mentioning Invergordon and Alness in the same breath - so they must be
geographically, cheek-by-jowl.............?
AMBLY
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hi all
not sure about this but worth noting
1901 census east poorhouse & hospital maryfield st. andrew dundee
anne ritchie age 83 inmate born alne rossshire
ann's death 1903 was st andrew dundee
ev
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All these possibilities and options are overwhelming!
On Ann's death extract, it has her as the widow of James Ritchie, ploughman, and her age as 70!
She died in 1903, in the Dundee Parochial Hospital, Maryfield, the same establishment that ev mentions. (I once attended a nearby school). Her age seems to vary a lot, but that that may be due to her state of mind at the time. One thing we can pretty much take for granted is that she was born in Ross-shire, in the Alness-Invergordon area, and James in Nairnshire
Ambly's Aberdeen scenario is interesting in that the difference in ages of James and Ann, of approx 26 years, appears again.
Ta for all the efforts, I shall tell my missus that my being glued for hours to IGI, Scotlands People, and this amazing site, is all your fault! ;D