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1st Generation
1. Albert Edward William Walker was born in 1869 in Worcester and died on an unknown date. He married Rose ?. Rose was born in 1866 in Worcseter and died on an unknown date.
Children of Albert Edward William Walker and Rose ?
i. 2. Florence Walker was born on Jan. 12, 1893 in Worcester and died on Jan. 1, 1985 in Coventry - Best i could get ?.
ii. 3. Alice Walker.
iii. 4. Arthur Walker.
iv. 5. Lilly Walker.
v. 6. William Walker.
2nd Generation (Children)
2. Florence Walker was born on Jan. 12, 1893 in Worcester and died on Jan. 1, 1985 in Coventry - Best i could get ?. She married Maurice Barnett Englander on Oct. 29, 1914 in Birmingham. Maurice Barnett, son of Barnett (Bernhard) Englander and Bertha Florence Rosianski, was born in 1892 in Gellerton's yard, West Gate, Bradford, West Yorkshire. and died in Birmingham.
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Hi Englander,
Welcome to RootsChat :)
You'd need one of the children's birth certs to confirm this but I can see this possible marriage (bearing in mind their first child was born in Birmingham)
Jun 1888 Birmingham 6d 92
Albert Edward Walker to possibly Rosamond Bagshaw
The 1881 census shows a Rosamond Bagshaw born in Crowle Worcestershire (which is the birthplace shown for Rose on the 1891 census) and living Birmingham:
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&indiv=try&h=22354716
RG11/2984 22 38
(shout if you can't open the link)
:)
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You can obtain UK birth certs via
www.gro.gov.uk
where I think they still cost £7 each.
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Yes they still do, Lydart 8)
Would you like us to trace the families back, Englander, or were you searching for descendants? :)
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Welcome to Rootschat, Englander :)
The order of the children (ages/birthplaces as given in 1901) was:
Lilly 13 b Birmingham
Alice 11 b Worcester
Florence 9 b Worcester
William 7 b Birmingham
Arthur 2 b Birmingham
Anna :)
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I'm afraid I don't see a death of a Florence Englander in the England & Wales Death Index 1984-2005. Did Florence die under another name?
Anna
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Happy to trace them back, Englander. Please be aware that you'll need certs to confirm my finds :)
Given that Albert was living in Worcester St Helens in 1891 (and the fact he's a milkman), I quite like this boy in 1881:
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&indiv=try&h=23498095
RG11/2917 131 12
(Please do tell me if you can't open it!)
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From there, 1871 shows dad's name as Henry:
1871
RG10/3051 147 12
St Helen, Worcester
33 Friar Street
Henry Walker, head, 46, Dairy Man Master, b. Staffordshire Bruff Hall? (wonder if this should read Brierley Hill!)
Anne, wife, 39, b. Worcestershire Evesham
John, son, 19, Dairy Man, b. Worcester
Henry, son, 17, Dairy Man, b. Worcester
William, son, 15, Dairy Man, b. Staffordshire
Richard, son, 13, scholar, b. Staffordshire
Septimus, son, 11, scholar, b. Staffordshire
Arthur, son, 8, scholar, b. Worcester
Albert, son, 4, scholar, b. Worcester
Walter, son, 1, b. Worcester
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10 years earlier ...
1861
RG9/1996 79 6
Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Bilston Road
Henry Walker, head, 35, Railway Pointsman, b. Staffordshire Bilston
Ann, wife, 30, b. Worcestershire Evesham
John, son, 9, scholar, b. Worcester
Henry Edwin, son, 7, scholar, b. Worcester
Wm Marshall, son, 5, scholar, b. Stafford Brierley Hill
Richard, son, 3, scholar, b. Staffordshire Wolverhampton
I'm unable to ID Henry in 1851, or a definite marriage for him and Ann. You may have to purchase the birth cert for one of their children to discover Ann's maiden name.
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OK, who are we following now? The Englanders? I'm afraid this is going to be short given their birth places
1901
RG13/3169 27 8
Nottingham
32 Snemton? Street
3 rooms occupied
Barnett Englander, head, 35, Tailor, b. Germany (German Subject)
Bertha, wife, 28, b. Germany (German Subject)
Morris, son, 8, b. Bradford Yorks
Minnie, dau, 6, b. Nottingham
The 1891 census shows Bernhard in Salford Lancashire, boarding with a family named Frieze (dad Morris Frieze a Tailor born Germany). Birth place plain 'Germany' again :(
Mmmm. There's a marriage in March quarter 1893, Bradford 9b 188, for a Bernard Englander but the possible brides are Martha Elizabeth Firth or Betsy Rosenberg ???
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She married Maurice Barnett Englander on Oct. 29, 1914 in Birmingham. Maurice Barnett, son of Barnett (Bernhard) Englander and Bertha Florence Rosianski, was born in 1892 in Gellerton's yard, West Gate, Bradford, West Yorkshire. and died in Birmingham.
The National Archives Documents Online site has a Royal Navy service record for a Maurice Englander born Bradford 4 Dec 1891 - downloadable for £3.50:
http://tinyurl.com/2xy5da
Anna
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Rosamund Bagshaw ...
birth registration: Rosamond Bagshaw - Dec quarter 1863 - Droitwich 6c 358
1871
RG10/3050 8 9
St Martin, Worcester
7 New Street
Arthur Bagshaw, head of family lodger, 62, retired (or formerly) farmer, b. Worcestershire Crowle
Charlotte, wife, 45, b. Worcestershire Stoke
Sarah, dau, 14, scholar, b. Crowle
Alice, dau, 10, scholar, b. do.
Rose, dau, 7, scholar, b. do.
Her family 10 years earlier:
1861
RG9/2108 36 23
Crowle, Worcestershire
Lower Crowle
Arthur Bagshaw, head, 50, Assistant to his father in Farm, b. Huddington
Charlotte, wife, 34, b. Stoke Bliss Herefordshire
Charlotte, dau, 15, b. Crowle
John, son, 11, b. do.
Lucy, dau, 6, b. do.
Sarah, dau, 4, b. do.
Alice m, dau, 4 mo, b. do.