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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Nottinghamshire => Topic started by: Tephra on Tuesday 01 April 08 23:10 BST (UK)
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Sorry it's late folks, it was due to a small oversight on my part. But it's here now and it's a good one. It's KazzaQLD's Second Chance Scavenger Hunt. Get yourselves wrapped round this one and you'll have some fun.
Good Luck and Good Hunting.
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Trying to find more on my 3greats-grandparents John PEARSON and Sarah Ann DARBY.
My great-great-grandmother Teresa PEARSON was born 1st April 1852 in Sheffield (poor girl for being born April Fool’s Day, appropriate one for this time of year), I have the certificate.
On the certificate it states that her parents are John PEARSON and Sarah Ann formerly DARBY.
I have been able to find John and Sarah Ann as husband and wife in 1861, 1871. John dies between 1871 and 1881, and I can find Sarah Ann in 1881 and 1891. She died in 1900 so didn’t appear in 1901.
Based on her census information she was born about 1826 in Worksop in Nottinghamshire. The 1851 has her aged 23 so born 1828, the 1861 has her aged 45 so born 1816, the 1881 has her aged 55 so born 1826 so it depends which one you believe!
Based on his census information he was born about 1806 in Bentley, the 1871 calculates to a birth year of 1803, the 1851 to 1802.
In 1851 they are living in the same house, but he is listed as widower and she is listed as S. A. DARBY, married, a visitor.. So it would appear that Sarah's maiden name was not DARBY.
In 1861 there is a child William b. abt 1848 in Sheffield, listed as son – he is not with them in 1851, so I am assuming that William is the child of a first marriage of John. There is a 3 year old William with a Lydia PEARSON in 1851 in completely different house (farmed out to relative perhaps)
I cannot find a marriage for a John PEARSON and Sarah Ann DARBY and I cannot find a John PEARSON and Sarah Ann that seems to fit.
I found a Moses DARBY marrying a Sarah Ann PRICE
Marriages Dec 1841
DARBY Moses Sheffield 22 497 Scan available - click to view
PRICE Sarah Ann Sheffield 22 497 Scan available - click to view
But no PRICE/PEARSON marriages located so far!
A fellow rootschatter has offered to look at the Library in Sheffield, but any other thoughts, suggestions etc are most welcome.
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book marking ... dinner time ::)
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I see you found it Deb............ ;D ;D You can calm down now and stop chewing the furniture ;) ;) ;)
Barbara
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;D ;D ;D ;D....... :-[
but now it's dinner time and soon bedtime .... arrghhhh ;D ;D
deb
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For what it is worth, there is a Sarah Ann Darby born about 1828 and living in Worksop in 1841.....
HO107/852/10/9/9
Worksop Nottinghamshire, England
Low Town
John Thorpe 60 Labourer
Frances Thorpe 50
Henry Thorpe 15
Mary Thorpe 14
Sarah Ann Darby 15 SERVANT born in county
.....dee
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Yep and I thought she might be mine till a fellow rootschatter found her on the 1851 with DARBY as her surname and notation as married - course she could be lying about the married part! >:(
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The thought did cross my mind, Kazza! ;D ;D
......dee
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You've probably already thought of this, but have you included the spelling Derby in your searches for Sarah Ann?
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Just to help folks with some more details here are the census details that Kazza has......
1851
HO107/ 2340/ 237/ 54
Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
John Pearson 49 Widower Labourer born Bentley, Yorkshire
S A Darby 25 Visitor Married born Worksop, Nottinghamshire
1861
RG9/ 3494/ 79/ 13
Brightside Bierlow, Yorkshire, England
16 Tom (?) Cross Lane
John Pearson 55 Brewer born Bentley, Yorkshire
Sarah Pearson 45 born Worksop, Nottinghamshire
Teresa Pearson 9
William Pearson 13
George Pearson 4
Walter Pearson 8 Mo
All children born Sheffield
1871
RG10/ 4663/4/ 8
Nether Hallam, Yorkshire, England
102 Langsett Rd
John Pearson 68 Head Brewer born Bentley, Yorkshire
Sarah Ann Pearson 45 Wife born Worksop, Nottinghamshire
Theresa Pearson 19 Daur Dressmaker
George Ambrose Pearson 13 son Brewer
Walter Pearson 10 son
Children born Sheffield, Yorkshire
1881
RG11/ 4624/ 48/ 36
Nether Hallam, Yorkshire, England
72 Langsett Rd
Sarah A. Pearson 55 Head Widow born Worksop, Nottinghamshire
Walter Pearson 20 Son Brewer’s labourer
Theresa Huslands 29 Daur Married
John W. Huslands 3 Grandson
George H. Huslands 6 mths Grandson
Others born Sheffield, Yorkshire except George H. who was born Gainsbro, Lincolnshire
1891
RG12/ 3795/ 127/ 35
Nether Hallam, Yorkshire, England
72 Langsett Rd
Sarah A Pearson 66 Head Widow Letter of Apartments born Worksop, Nottinghamshire
.....dee
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Hmmmm....finding John Pearson in 1841 is a rather daunting task....... ;D ;D
......dee
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bookmarking, expect i will have a lot of catching up to do!
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Wow Dee thanks for listing them out like that!! That's great!
One possibility for John in the 1841 is Robert (Iron miner) and Hannah both 65 with son John, 35 in North Bierley.
but I don't know that one still doesn't feel right....
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have you got a Moses Darby death in the interim ?
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just thinking out loud
if Sarah that married Moses Darby is correct perhaps she married again before marrying John Pearson
also on FreeBMD there is
Jun 1858
Darby Sarah Bradford Yk 9b 204
Nelson John Bradford Yk. 9b 204
me thinks there are some people missing from this page !
maybe they just said they were married :-\
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I found a Moses DARBY marrying a Sarah Ann PRICE
Marriages Dec 1841
DARBY Moses Sheffield 22 497 Scan available - click to view
PRICE Sarah Ann Sheffield 22 497 Scan available - click to view
have you got a Moses Darby death in the interim ?
i think this maybe them in 1851 so that would rule out Sarah Price being your Sarah
HO107 2033 467 28
Moses Darby 33 all b. Dudley
Sarah A 31
Thomas 13
Mary 8
Benjamin 6
William 4
Prudence 3
Edward 3 Mo
(strange they did not marry Dudley then)
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did your Sarah have any children prior to marrying John Pearson i.e as a Darby that were perhaps with her in later census
have you found the births of the Pearson children listed under Pearson event he ones that were not mothered by Sarah
maybe if Sarah did have children prior to marrying John they took on the Pearson name.
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Hi All,
Just trying to catch up with what you got and then hope to start looking :) :)
Sue
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Morning all
Can't find their marriage yet :-\
There is a birth of a William PEARSON dec q 1847 , Sheffield . No births for William Darby. I wonder how long Sarah had been a visitor with John Pearson ?
I am thinking that maybe she just said she was married as she was staying with him ... :-\
deb
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Could this be William married in 1871 in Brightside Bierlow
William Pearson head age 24 b Sheffield
Sarah Ann wife age 23 b Beelaf Wood Yorkshire
RG10 - 4694 - 93 - 2
Kazza is there any chance of you posting 1851 census of William living with Lydia as i cant seem
to find it
Sue
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just book marking
problems with internet, will be about when sorted good luck everyone
Matilda ;)
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Hi
Sarah Darby's ages don't make sense ... I am sure that the 1861 where it states that she is 45 must be an error as in the other censuses she is always about 25 years younger than John Pearson.
I also cannot find William b 1847/8 with Lydia in 1851 ....
deb :-\
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Im a bit confused as in 1871 census on A------y the names are different to what was posted.
George Ambrose and Walter are called Johnson and not Pearson. Do you think this is a misprint?
Sue
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ooo let me look
bbs
deb
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Hi Sue
They are definitely Pearson on orginal... The 2 boys are on the next page to the parents ...I think they have been mistranscribed on the index.
deb ;)
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Births Dec 1842
Darby Thirza Dudley 18 269
does this tie in with Theresa Pearson ?
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Could this be Sarahs family in 1841 in Worksop?
Bernard Darby age 45
Elizabeth Darby age 45
George Darby age 20
John Darby age 15
Sarah Darby age 80
Thomas Darby age 10
HO107-852-Book/Folio 7/12a-Page 18
Sue
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Not sure Toni ..I have also been searching for Theresa/teresa Pearson and Darby ... I am also wondering about the middle name Ambrose .....
Do you think that sarah Ann was just saying she was married as she was living with an older man ? I have tried to spot John Pearson in 1841 ..near impossible ...am thinking the only way to find his 1st wife is by ordering William's birth cert ...There is a birth of a William PEARSON dec q 1847 , Sheffield
deb
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well i cant see a Theresa Pearson birth at all
yes i do think perhaps Sarah Ann was saying she was married when she wasn't married
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Deb and Toni,
On 1861 on FindMyPast it is the same as was posted except Teresa is called Freda.
Dont know if it helps :)
Sue
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Hi again
There is IGI submitted entries for Theresa Pearson...also ;
Theresa Pearson Jun q 1852 Sheffield , kazza has her birth cert
deb :)
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Hoping this is George Pearson in 1881 in Brightside Bierlow
George Pearson head age 23 b Sheffield occ Working brewer
Mary Ann wife age 26 b Gainsbro Lincoln
Address 183 Rock Street
Sue
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I hate being asleep while you are all beavering away - will try and answer all your questions!
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You've probably already thought of this, but have you included the spelling Derby in your searches for Sarah Ann?
Yep but I must admit I haven't done it for a while - would be worth re-checking!
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I found a Moses DARBY marrying a Sarah Ann PRICE
Marriages Dec 1841
DARBY Moses Sheffield 22 497 Scan available - click to view
PRICE Sarah Ann Sheffield 22 497 Scan available - click to view
have you got a Moses Darby death in the interim ?
i think this maybe them in 1851 so that would rule out Sarah Price being your Sarah
HO107 2033 467 28
Moses Darby 33 all b. Dudley
Sarah A 31
Thomas 13
Mary 8
Benjamin 6
William 4
Prudence 3
Edward 3 Mo
(strange they did not marry Dudley then)
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did your Sarah have any children prior to marrying John Pearson i.e as a Darby that were perhaps with her in later census
have you found the births of the Pearson children listed under Pearson event he ones that were not mothered by Sarah
maybe if Sarah did have children prior to marrying John they took on the Pearson name.
Toni what you found for Moses rings bells - I agree I don't know why there seems to be one in Sheffield and one in Dudley - seems to me like maybe 2 fellows. I did search for a death for the Sheffield Moses DARBY but no sign so far.
The only PEARSON child that doesn't seem to be Sarah Ann's is William. I have Theresa's birth cert so it seems likely that the other younger ones are hers and John's also. I haven't found any other children prior to Theresa, no.
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Could this be William married in 1871 in Brightside Bierlow
William Pearson head age 24 b Sheffield
Sarah Ann wife age 23 b Beelaf Wood Yorkshire
RG10 - 4694 - 93 - 2
Kazza is there any chance of you posting 1851 census of William living with Lydia as i cant seem
to find it
Sue
I don't know who or if William married. So I guess that could be him.
I don't think I have a copy of William and Lydia - maybe I've taken that down wrong - aaaargh! Will have a look and see what it should be!
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do you have the later details for the children i.e marriages and deaths and census details?
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Hoping this is George Pearson in 1881 in Brightside Bierlow
George Pearson head age 23 b Sheffield occ Working brewer
Mary Ann wife age 26 b Gainsbro Lincoln
Address 183 Rock Street
Sue
Well his Dad was a brewer so that's quite likely!
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not sure if this site will help you or not :-\
http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/mss/collections/archdeaconry/parishes/index.phtml
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do you have the later details for the children i.e marriages and deaths and census details?
Only really for Theresa, and I have a bit for Walter.
Husband: Walter PEARSON
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Born: 1861 - Sheffield, West Yorkshire, England
Father: John PEARSON (1806-Bet 1871)
Mother: Sarah Ann DARBY (1826-1900)
Marriage: Place:
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Wife: Emily ?
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Born: 1865 - Mirfield, W Yorkshire, England
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Children
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1 F Beatrice M PEARSON
Born: 1888 - Bradford, West Riding, Yorkshire, England
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2 F Mabel PEARSON
Born: 1890 - Bradford, West Riding, Yorkshire, England
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3 F Teresa PEARSON
Born: 1891 - Bradford, West Riding, Yorkshire, England
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4 F Annie E PEARSON
Born: 1893 - Bradford, West Riding, Yorkshire, England
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5 M George William PEARSON
Born: 1894 - Bradford, West Riding, Yorkshire, England
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6 F Jessie PEARSON
Born: 1896 - Bradford, West Riding, Yorkshire, England
The area is thick with PEARSONs so I have been trying not to jump to too many conclusions!
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http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/NTT/
scroll down to Church Records
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Not sure Toni ..I have also been searching for Theresa/teresa Pearson and Darby ... I am also wondering about the middle name Ambrose .....
Do you think that sarah Ann was just saying she was married as she was living with an older man ? I have tried to spot John Pearson in 1841 ..near impossible ...am thinking the only way to find his 1st wife is by ordering William's birth cert ...There is a birth of a William PEARSON dec q 1847 , Sheffield
deb
Getting his cert sounds like a good idea if only to find out who great-great-great-grandpa was married to first! Will do that!
Oh and I have often wondered about the Ambrose bit myself!
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i'm missing something here, whats the 'ambrose bit' ?
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these are the only Walter Pearson marriages with a possible match of Emily coming up on FreeBMD 1881-1891
Dec 1883 Foleshill 6d 737
Adkins William Cooke
BALL Mary Ann
PEARSON Walter Henry
Sidwell Emily
Dec 1885 Poplar 1c 1148
Hodd Emily Mercy
Pearson Walter Ernest
Salmon William
Smith Eleanor
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If that may be your George in 1881 here he is in 1891 in Ecclesall Bierlow
George Pearson head age 33
Mary A wife age 36
Emily Preston visitor age 19 b Worksop occ ass school mistress ( single )
Alice Ludlum servant age 21 b Sheffield
Does Emily ring any bells?
Sue
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i'm missing something here, whats the 'ambrose bit' ?
On one of the 1871 George is there as George Ambrose PEARSON - so not sure if that's a mistake or significant!
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If that may be your George in 1881 here he is in 1891 in Ecclesall Bierlow
George Pearson head age 33
Mary A wife age 36
Emily Preston visitor age 19 b Worksop occ ass school mistress ( single )
Alice Ludlum servant age 21 b Sheffield
Does Emily ring any bells?
Sue
No, but worth filing anyway - could be a niece from one of his sisters? Interestingly I have PRESTON on another branch - on Grandpa's (this is Grandma's)
Thank you!
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Just to help folks with some more details here are the census details that Kazza has......
1881
RG11/ 4624/ 48/ 36
Nether Hallam, Yorkshire, England
72 Langsett Rd
Sarah A. Pearson 55 Head Widow born Worksop, Nottinghamshire
Walter Pearson 20 Son Brewer’s labourer
Theresa Huslands 29 Daur Married
John W. Huslands 3 Grandson
George H. Huslands 6 mths Grandson
Others born Sheffield, Yorkshire except George H. who was born Gainsbro, Lincolnshire
I should mention that it should be HUSBANDS not HUSLANDS - great-grandpa, the next son in the family - was Bernard Pearson HUSBANDS. (Gee I wonder where he got his middle name!)
Transcribed wrongly - familiar story! ::)
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re Georeg Ambrose Pearson i have looked at the BMD and i can't see a birth detah or marriage for a George AMBROSE pearson so unless he was registered with just an inital rather than his full name i think this is his birth:~
Pearson George Sheffield 9c 319 Q2 1857
there are some more in Sheffield later than this George and before the 1861 census but they wouldn't have been 4 on the 1861 census and this one would have beeen.
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Hoping this is George Pearson in 1881 in Brightside Bierlow
George Pearson head age 23 b Sheffield occ Working brewer
Mary Ann wife age 26 b Gainsbro Lincoln
Address 183 Rock Street
Sue
Well his Dad was a brewer so that's quite likely!
there are a lot of possible Georeg Pearson marriages to a MAry Ann and i havent even checked just under Mary but this could be a possible considering their age at the time of the 1881 census:~
Sep 1880 Sheffield 9c 471
Barker George Henry
Lister Mary Ann
Marshall Alice
Pearson George
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If that may be your George in 1881 here he is in 1891 in Ecclesall Bierlow
George Pearson head age 33
Mary A wife age 36
Emily Preston visitor age 19 b Worksop occ ass school mistress ( single )
Alice Ludlum servant age 21 b Sheffield
Does Emily ring any bells?
Sue
sadly no children
will look for Emily Preston in 1881 might prove lucrative, might just be ared herring
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firstly George & Mary Ann in 1901
RG13; 4350; 54; 15
still at Ecclesall Bierlow
George Pearson 43
Mary A 45
Annie Makin 18 servant single b. chesterfield derbys.
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And the poss William in 1891 in Brightside Bierlow
William Pearson head age 45 ( wid)
Fred son age 18
Clara E dau age 8
RG12-3834-36-30
I cant make out Williams occ maybe someone else can
Sue
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Am dying to join in but have a busy morning. Drats! I'll pop back every now and again......
Wouldn't it have made life much simpler if all families had in laws with them at the time of censuses?
.....dee
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here is Emily Preston in 1881
RG11; 3306; 73; 11
86 Gatford Road, Worksop
Thos Preston 50 head Malster b. Derby .....
Sarah 43 wife Malstress b. Notts. .....
Alice 16 scholar b. worksop (as are all children)
Mary 11
Emily 9
Annie 7
Elizabth 5
Charlotte 3
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Dee,
You have a busy morning and ill be off to bed soon. :D :D :D
Sue
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And the poss William in 1891 in Brightside Bierlow
William Pearson head age 45 ( wid)
Fred son age 18
Clara E dau age 8
RG12-3834-36-30
I cant make out Williams occ maybe someone else can
Sue
maybe a file stopper, stubber ??
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here is Emily Preston in 1881
RG11; 3306; 73; 11
86 Gatford Road, Worksop
Thos Preston 50 head Malster b. Derby .....
Sarah 43 wife Malstress b. Notts. .....
Alice 16 scholar b. worksop (as are all children)
Mary 11
Emily 9
Annie 7
Elizabth 5
Charlotte 3
doesn't ring any bells, does it. :( Maybe a relation on the wife's side? oh well will keep it filed away!
I can't find my copy of the image with William on it either, wonder where I've filed that! ::)
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is this Clara Pearsons birth?
Mar 1880
PEARSON Clara Emma Sheffield 9c 512
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OK I am off to work now - :(
Will check back later - thank you all for your interest in my little problem! ;D
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is this Clara Pearsons birth?
Mar 1880
PEARSON Clara Emma Sheffield 9c 512
re Clara i know in 1891 it says she was 8 so making her born circa 1883 but the next Clara Pearson was born in 1885 and she didnt have a middle name (on the index)
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have you got further back than John Pearson?
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still looking for a link Preston & Pearson!
Emma Prestons family in 1871
86 Gateford Road Worksop
Thomas Preston head mar 40 Malster Master b. Derby St Creswell
Sarah wife 33 b. Notts Carlton
Alice dau 6 scholar b. Worksop Notts
Mary dau 1 b. do.
Mary mother widow 82 annuiant b. Elleston Notts
Elizabeth Hallifax niece 3 scholar b. worksop
& 1861
Court I no. 7 Worksop
Thomas Preston head m. 30 . Malster Derby Cresswell
Sarah wife 25 Malsters wife b. Notts Carlton in Linstock
next door at no. 8 Court I Worksop
Henry Preston head 33 malster b. Notts Holbeck
Frances wife 37 malsters wife b. Yorkshire M.....
Mary mother widow 72 mother b. Notts Allerton
(on first glance Frances looked like Princess!)
next door at no. 8 Gateford Road Worksop
Elizabeth preston head widow 72 charwoman b. Worksop
...... Moore son in law 22 coal miner b. lancs
Sarah Moore dau 22 wife b. worksop
(not entirely sure of son in law first name looks like F.Jane!)
RG9 2419 35 28
wouldn't it be easier if your family were the Prestons, don't you want to adopt them?
marriage
Q3 1859 Worksop 7b 43
Thomas Preston & Sarah Heath
(on same page James Cooke and Mary Ann Hardwick)
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Hi All,
Do you know what we need to look for?
What family and forwards or backwards ;D ;D
Sue
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Hi Sue
i think we are after anything on Sarah Darby esp. her marriage to John Pearson, to enable us to go back and sideways with her
i am not sure if we know John Pearsons parentage
re the children of JOhn & Sarah i think a must is Williams birth cert as he seems to have been born before Sarah & John married (we have the details for this)
details are known for Walter and Theresa but none of the others defiently, didnt we find something on William?
i was looking for the Prestons to see if they are linked ot the Pearsons but nothing yet
only the fact the Prestons were malsters and the Pearsons were draymen, brewers etc.
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Thanks Toni will have look to see if i can find anything. :)
Sue
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wouldn't it be easier if your family were the Prestons, don't you want to adopt them?
Well I do have PRESTONs but not in Nottinghamshire.
Interesting that these ones are maltsters - does seem to be a connection in that regard, yes.
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Hi Sue
i think we are after anything on Sarah Darby esp. her marriage to John Pearson, to enable us to go back and sideways with her
i am not sure if we know John Pearsons parentage
re the children of JOhn & Sarah i think a must is Williams birth cert as he seems to have been born before Sarah & John married (we have the details for this)
details are known for Walter and Theresa but none of the others defiently, didnt we find something on William?
i was looking for the Prestons to see if they are linked ot the Pearsons but nothing yet
only the fact the Prestons were malsters and the Pearsons were draymen, brewers etc.
I don't know John's parents, no - in the census from 1851 he consistently says born Bentley but I couldn't find a Bentley born John in 1841 yet.
I reckon the George census details look pretty good, I'll have a look at William again after 2nd cup of coffee!
Will order William's cert today, and was thinking of maybe one of the other children in case a different name for Sarah Ann pops up there!
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Hi guys
I think William's birth cert will either tell us that John Pearson had a first wife or that Sarah Darby was living with him at the time and was not married prior.
I really feel that she just said she was married as he was 25 years older than her and widowed and she was living with him ..... BUT if William b c 1847/8 has a different mother at least have another name to go on to find John Pearson and family in 1841.
arrghhhh why is ther no marriage for them ...did they ever get married ..?
deb 8)
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William could be a child of the first marriage if John is listed as widowed
now there is not a huge gap between William and the next child (is it Theresa?) so that would narrow down the death of the first wife but we don't know her name
this is all maybes
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Hi All,
Dont know if this will help at all but ive found 4 John Pearsons living and born 1806 in Nottingham
Here is their wives
Hannah b 1806 living in Arnold
Ann b 1806 living in Edwinstone
Ann b 1816 living in Skegby
Sarah b 1806 living in Bursley
This is a long shot but did he married one of these before Sarah ???
Sue
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hi sue, is that on / from the 1841 census?
i wonder if any of the Johns were brewers of that type of employment
also if we can find any of these JOhns with their wifes in 1851
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Toni yes they were all in 1841 but didnt think to look for his type of employment.
Will have a look now.
Sue
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Toni occ for first three do not fit and i cant make out occ for last one.
Maybe you can :)
HO107/ 871/ FOLIO 12-10 / PAGE 15
Sue
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Have to go out do some shopping ::) be back soon
Sue
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Wonder if this is Sarahs mother as sometimes dau has same name
Sarah Darby Oct-Nov-Dec 1847 in Worksop
Vol 15 Page 459
Sue
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This is her i think in 1841 in Worksop
HO107/852 Book 7 Page18
Sarah Darby Age 80
Barnard age 45
Elizabeth age 45
George age 20
John age 15
Thomas age 10
If this was Sarahs mother then Barnard may be her brother with wife and children.
What are your thoughts? :)
Sue
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that looks good Sue but i wonder how many Darby there were in Worksop when Sarah was born usually they are all connected 1, maybe 2 or 3 families but connected none the less
that would give us something to work maybe a contact to nottingham ro might help does notts have a family history society?
will look at that last occ for John Pearson sue hopefully it matches!
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i can tmake out the occupation either :-\
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Toni i got John and Sarahs dob mixed up. Silly me :o :o
Thought Sarah was b 1806 so that Sarah will be to old in 1841.
Could be Sarahs grandmother ;D ;D ;D ;D
Sue
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never mind, still i wonder how many darbys were in tworksop at the time of Sarah Anns birth i really think contacting teh records office is the way to go or getting a fiche from the local lDS centre - i have never done this
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Got to agree with you Toni.
Maybe we will be able to find out more when Kazza gets the birth certs. :) :)
Sue
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Birth certs for William and Mary Ann ordered. Hurry up postie!
I was hoping to get to my local library to take a look at 1841 for William but they don't have an ancestry subscription.
I think there are a fair few DARBYs -but I agree - the family you found looks like it could be Sarah's grandma and Mum and Dad and siblings.
One of Sarah Ann's grandsons (my great-grandfather) was named Bernard so that might just be a clue? (or it could be coincidence ::) )
John believed he was born Bentley in Yorks, not Notts - he says so in every census I have him in. So I would put the Notts-born Johns in 1841 as not quite as likely - but again you never know.
Must go - will pop back tonight!
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This may be a longshot Kazza but could this be your John in 1841. Living in Sheffield
His name is spelt different but his occ is a publican ???
John Parsons age 35
Elizabeth age 40
HO107 1337 Book/Folio 1/35 Page 23
Come on postman. ;D ;D ;D
Sue
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Here is the link for this weeks Scavenger Hunt. As usual, this hunt will remain open for any further information which may be found.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,297482.0.html
Good luck and Good Hunting.
Barbara
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post the details of the certs on here when they arrive and we'll dig around further but meanwhile on to the next hunt!
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Still waiting for the certs to arrive - hopefully I will come home from work today and they will be here! ;D
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;D
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Not yet >:(
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B*gg*r......... :-\
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Is this thread really 3 years old! :o
I received John Pearson's will yesterday and it looks very interesting.
His executor is one Samuel Pearson - a friend - was hoping it might say nephew or son... oh well, there may still be a connection there.
But the really exciting bit is this....
He leaves it all to one Sarah Ann CARBY (yes not DARBY) the wife of John CARBY, and words to the effect of John CARBY can't get his hands on any of it!
Blimey!!!
So that means that they were never married they just lived in sin - oh the shame ::)
The will is dated shortly before John died in 1878 so unless there was a last minute change in status, they never tied the knot - because she was still married.
So I've been to freeBMD this morning and found the marriage of a Sarah Ann ROBERTS to one John CARBY in 1848 in Sheffield - will be getting that cert for sure.
Off to see what else I can dig up - so very pleased!
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thats great news :)
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Great news, Kaz........... so some more digging for you. ;D ;D
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The Certificate finally arrived and I am confused again! :)
On it dear Sarah Ann says she is a widow and her father's name is Joseph DARBY. The witnesses are Joseph DARBY and Ann DARBY
So the hunt for DARBY is back on - Blimey this woman is confusing.
She was a busy girl, married, widowed, married and shacking up all before the age of 26!
I wasn't expecting that!
Cheers
Karen.
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She's no relation to Ernest, is she?? ;D ;D
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Hello Karen,
Thanks for your email - but I thought I would reply on here regarding Joseph Darby in case anyone has anything to add. Sarah Ann certainly did make things difficult for us!
In your email you mentioned that Joseph DARBY (Sarah Roberts's father) was recorded as occupation joiner on the marriage certificate to John CARBY. I think I have a promising candidate in my line of Darby's from Worksop. See what you think:
Joseph DARBY
b. c.1797 (apparently b. 19 Mar, see below)
bur. 13 Jun 1841, Worksop, Notts.
Joseph is given as a Machine Maker on the 1841 census - that fits with Joiner on the marriage cert.
m. Ann OATES on 29 Aug 1820
b. 26 Sep 1799, Worksop
d. 27 Jul 1890, Sheffield, Yorks.
(After Joseph's death, Ann married Richard RODEN at Worksop in 1851).
Known children of Joseph & Ann, all born Worksop:
- Louisa (c.1822-1905)
- Agnes (c.1824-1848)
- Teresa (c.1827-1896)
- Joseph (1829-1913)
- Edward Bernard (c.1837-1879)
- Eliza (1839-1898)
I have traced all the children, and have all the census data for each. In particular, their son Joseph (b.1829), who celebrated his golden wedding in 1910, had a wonderful article in the Worksop Guardian written about him and his wife (Karen, I can send you a copy if you like). It contains several useful genealogical facts, including that Joseph was born on 19 Mar 1829, coincidentally his own father's birthday! Even more useful it says that he "was the first son, there being four daughters before [him]." I have not been able to trace the fourth daughter - but now I think it is Sarah Ann.
I am descended from Joseph Sr.'s brother Bernard Darby (c.1795-1856). They were both sons of George DARBY and his wife Sarah, though I have not been able to progress any further back. The main problem is that I cannot find any baptisms for just about any of the Darby family, though they show up in the marriages and burials for Worksop parish church. I wonder if they were nonconformists? Some of the name choices strike me as being Catholic?
I think the coincidences in similar name choices between the children listed above and Sarah Ann's children are particularly significant - Teresa and Bernard were quite uncommon names back then.
Now, who on earth was Mr. Roberts? ;D I have found this census for Ann Darby, widow of Joseph Sr. - a clue perhaps:
1851 census: Newgate St, Worksop, Nottinghamshire (Ref: HO107/2122, Folio 108, Page 4)
Ann Darby, Head, W, 50, Seamstress, Notts Worksop
Edwd. Darby, Son, U, 13, Ag Lab, Notts Worksop
Richd. Roberts, Grandson, U, 3, Yorks Sheffield
Is Richard Sarah Ann's son? If so, this could be his birth - the cert would tell us his father's name:
Births Mar qtr. 1848
ROBERTS, Richard, Sheffield, vol. 22: 641
Lots to think about! :D
Alexander
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HI Alexander,
Wow :o
I think we are on a winner here, I really do. That last about Ann having a grandson Richard ROBERTS with her in 1851, that's got to be the clue that will click it into place.
I will order that certificate, and let you know as soon as it comes in.
The Teresa's and Bernard's were always intriguing to me too.
I know we don't have it 100% confirmed yet, but I feel like we just found Sarah Ann a family. ;D
I will email you what I have on the wider tree- so looking forward to sharing with you.
Cheers
(cousin!) Karen.