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I am trying to find information about my grandmother. I have her maiden name and death certificate. She lived in London definitely in 1911 as I have one of her daughter's bierth certificates. But I cannot trace her in any British census records or find a record of her birth. Can anyone tell me where I could look next?
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hi barbie
welcome to rootschat :)
if you can give us names we might be able to help
ev
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Hi barbie, Welcome to rootschat.
As ev says, give us a place, name and any basic dates you have.
charlotte
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Her name was Alma Elizabeth Maycock - she died in Wrexham, Wales in 1924 aged 42, so her birth date must have been 1882/1883.
She married my grandfather William Hewitt Reeves apparently in Scotland in 1905. This was written on his re-enlistment papers in 1914, he left the army in 1904 at his own request. His intended address in 1904 was Netchells Place Birmingham, I don't know whether this is significant to Alma or not.
Her address in 1911 was 2, Gray Street, Southwark- on her daughter's birth certificate.
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Hi Barbie
Welcome to rootschat
I think this is her in 1891
RG12 /1188 folio 104 page 14
living Greens Norton, Northamptonshire
Joseph R Maycock 31 bricklayer bn Greens Norton
Emma age 32 bn Stanwick, Northants
Alma C age 7 bn Greens Norton (transcribed as Alma C but the C does not look the same as the C in her brothers initial so could be E
Leonard C age 5 bn Greens Norton
Rosie
ADDED Forget this one - this family are in Potterspury in 1901 Alma C - but SORRY -I hadn't noticed it was a SON _WHOOOOOOPS!!!
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I know I did that too. Got quite excited for a while! sigh!!!
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Hi Barbie - welcome to Rootschat ;D
Have you found the marriage in 1905 in Scotland?
If you search here..for marriage of William Reeves in 1905 there is only one entry. It could be him (or it may not). You need credits to view the information (mine have run out or I would have looked for you)...but Scottish certificates give you lots of information and it would be well worth it if it is the right person.
www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
Milly
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I have tried that. I got very excited about that too but it wasn't her. I really am starting to think Alma Maycock does not exist. I do wonder if she changed her name for some reason, or was an illegal immigrant or a criminal. I think I may have to wait for the 1911 census and hope she's on that.
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barbie, Don't forget to check out freebmd . You never know what little gems you can pick up there. And the transcriptions, whilst not complete are starting to cover the time frame which may cover what you want. Worth a try now and later if need be,
charlotte
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Is that the one on ancestry.com because I've trawled most of their stuff I THINK!!! Although I'm always turning up something new (well new to me!)
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No it is a quite separate one done all by volunteers who are really cluey about transcribing as far as I can see. And you can look at the original images and it's all FREE.
Goggle the word " freebmd" and it will come up. Then click on search when the site appears.
You can also put "postems" on names that might be yors and maybe someone else who is seeking the same person will get back to you. I've had that happena couple of times.
If you can't find the site on google get back to me and I'll locate it.
charlotte
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Me again. Try
www.freebmd.org.uk/
That url came from google.
charlotte
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I'll give it a try now. Thanks
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Let us know how you get on, one way or the other. And don't give up on freebmd as they add new transcribed records every month or so. the whole voluntary effort is wonderful.
charlotte
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hi barbie
does alma's death cert. give a father's name ?
seen william hewitt reeves army records on ancestry
marriage could be stirling scotland ??? 1905
but this matches nothing on scotlandspeople (1905 lanark)
seems we are just going over what you have already found
unless this was a second marriage for alma :-\
ev
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The death cert doesn't give her father's name. I'd thought about her being married before which is possible - but she was about 23 when she got married which doesn't seem old to me.
I have been going round in circles and the more I look the more frustrated I get. She's a real puzzle. ???
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Don't give up yet - she may be hiding just around the corner :o :o
I presume the date on the marriage certificate was also different to the one given on his service papers?
Where did you got the name Maycock from? I am also wondering if this was a second marriage for Alma. Or if it is not her official name but her stepfather's or something like that..
Also - perhaps she was not officially Alma..
Have you seen an Ada Eliza Macock from Warwickshire born jan-march 1883.
Milly
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I can't remember whether I've seen that one or not. I'll look again anyway.
I don't have a marriage cert. just a death cert. and my grandfather's army records. Also her name's on my dad's birth cert and his sister's.
She died when my dad was 11 and he didn't really get along with his dad so didn't talk much. I've found out so much about my grandfather that it's hard to believe that his wife is such an enigma.
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Blimey I think this may be her. She has two brothers Arthur and Samuel - they were my dad's middle names. I'll follow this line. Thank you all so very very much. ;D
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Fingers crossed ;D ;D
It's a bit sad though - looks like the brother in 1901 are inmates in Coventry immigration home
and it looks like this is a possible for father William (died in 1898 age 42)
Sep 1898 Coventry 6d 354
If it is the right Ada/Alma then
William T (Thomas in 1861) is easy to trace back in all the census
and here's a good marriage Dec 1880
MAYCOCK William Thomas & Eliza Thompson
Warwick 6d 833
BUT how to prove if Ada and Alma are the same person? It all comes down to that elusive marriage certificate. ::)
Don't suppose that scottish certificate had the name Ada or Elizabeth on it did it?
And the 1901 census would be very helpful too.
Good Luck
Milly
;D
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It has to be. I've found Samuel and Arthur. Went to Halifax Canada in 1901. Haven't got any further though. Yes it's really sad - it's left me feeling very emotional. The home was for children of "vicious and pauperising surroundings" - how awful is that!
My dad always said he had relatives in Canada. We all thought it was just a story.
As I keep hearing from lots of people searching for their ancestors - it's such a shame I started to do all this after my parents had died. I so wish I'd asked more questions.
I still haven't found Alma after 1891 - I wonder if she ran away? Or changed her name for another reason. Perhaps I'll never know.
Thank you for the extra info.
Barbara x
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Yes very sad.
If their parents died then she possibly went into service. I havn't found anything likely in 1901. She could possibly have married young and therefore not be called Maycock when she marries William.
I wonder why she married in Scotland?
I expect she will turn up when she is ready..
All the best
Milly
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:D Hi!...Not sure if this was put on here but need to bookmark this as a home child url....
IGI extracted file for christenings:
Alice Kate Maycock - Nov. 6th 1881 All Saints, Warwick
( http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl death June Q 1882)
Ada Eliza Maycock -April 1st 1883 All Saints, Warwick
to parents William Thomas Maycock & Eliza
J.J.
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Barbara,
Canadian census are online and free- can't give you the url off the top of my head but goggle would produce it for you.
Again from memory- risky but here goes- you could get maybe 1907 data depending where the 2 chaps were and also I think 1911 info.
I could well be corrected by someone who has been using Canadian resources more recently than I.
charlotte
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Know it's not exact name...but just is case...might want to send for this one as only two on page, and there are usually four on page, no?...If Barbara said the husband should be William Reeves they'd credit her for the money down, right?
Marriage June Q. 1905 Maycock Ada Annie Warwick v.6d p.1091
There is a query on the immigrants to Canada board, so will post the url in a bit...
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http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,297139.0.html
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I think Ada Annie is probably a different person - there is a birth for an Ada Annie in Warwick in 1906.
And an Ada A Maycock in all the census...
Milly ;D
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Did you send for this birth cert to see how she wrote her first names?
Birth December Q. 1913
William A. B. Reeves
(mother Maycock)
Sudbury v. 4a p.1725
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silly me, reading through, I see that this is likely your grandfather..... ummmm father...Late nights don't help, do they...
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There is a Canada Census for 1911, on which the boys Arthur & Samuel might be found , but they just missed the one in 1901 as it began the end of March and they arrived the beginning of June...( although some of the older ones took months to enumerate, I think the more recent ones had deadlines...)
There is a 1906 but for the Prairie Provinces only...
:D J.J.
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Anyone see a little stray George Maycock as well on on the U.K. 1901?
The home child Arthur ( :'( died ww1) said he had a brother George serving in India
am looking at this one born 1897 just before the death of William Thomas...
Birth June Q. 1897 George Albert E Maycock Warwick v. 6d p. 641
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Sorry JJ but he's with mum and dad ::) Charles and Lucy and brother Arthur age 6.
RG13/2934 folio 51 page 5 in Whitnash Warks.
So he's not a stray ;D
Carol
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No need to be sorry...I don't have access to the U.K. census...I'll just cross him out...but now that we have found that these boys were the ones from Coventry...the extra brother is a new mystery...
The mother might also have remarried quickly enough to have had a half brother before the census...and why did he not name Samuel as his brother...did he die young, or leave the country...Perhaps he was fully
adopted and had a name change...which might also explain the Charles...
If this turns out to be Barbara's family, then ordering the full papers from the ww1 files would be a good idea...there is usually more information in there...
Plus a letter to middlemore homes to see if they have more information on them...
Is anyone able to look at the ancestry middlemore file on the boys. It contains the information of his death in WW1 so seems they were keeping track to that date, unless it is another researcher's info....but either way needs a looksee....
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Me again. Try
www.freebmd.org.uk/
That url came from google.
charlotte
The Free BMD is the same one at Ancestry. Ancestry helped fund the Free BMD in order to use the index.
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How did you come across this thread? i just finished putting a link to another thread regarding this BHC topic...
Sam apparently died in 1903, so that is why we couldn't find him on the 1911 census...
I'll link to this thread as well...
I usually also try to link to all threads with the BHC resource thread, but it's too hard to try and search all of them out...( I give up, in other words)
:) J.J.
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How did you come across this thread? i just finished putting a link to another thread regarding this BHC topic...
Sam apparently died in 1903, so that is why we couldn't find him on the 1911 census...
I'll link to this thread as well...
I usually also try to link to all threads with the BHC resource thread, but it's too hard to try and search all of them out...( I give up, in other words)
:) J.J.
I found this thread though a link that you posted in reply #5 of the other thread. I didn't realize how old either thread was at the time that I posted here. I've got to start looking at the dates on posts. :P
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No problem we've all done it... :D ( O.k...I won't lump everyone..."I" have) J.J.
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Easiest plcae to start is automatedgenealogy.com.
Can see 1852, then, 1901, 1905 (prairie Provinces only Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba - then, 1911 and if you have Ancestry, you can get 1916.
Canada does not reveal information until "100 years", but in fact, it is more like 90 yrs., thanks to Ancestry