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Title: allison family from wigton, stranraer and surrounding towns
Post by: missterri on Tuesday 08 April 08 01:17 BST (UK)
hi to everyone
trying to get any information on Allison's grandfather Robert Murdoch Allison, gtgf William gggf matthew married to Susan mckinstrie (spelling could be wrong) any information at all thank my mothers name Mary grey mccubbin Allison (Farrell)
my family moved to Australia in the 60S know very little of my mothers family
but she had around 12 siblings

thank you all for any help
Theresa

Title: Re: allison family from wigton, stranraer and surrounding towns
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 08 April 08 01:35 BST (UK)
Hi Theresa

Welcome to Rootschat  :)

Scotlands People www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk have the marriage of Matthew Allison and Susan Mckinstrey at Stranraer on 28th August 1866.

Matthew was a labourer and aged 20. His parents were Matthew Allison, a tinsmith (deceased)  and  Margaret, maiden surname, Reid.

Susan was also aged 20. Her parents were John McKinstrey, a labourer and Martha, maiden surname Strain

Regards

Gadget
Title: Re: allison family from wigton, stranraer and surrounding towns
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 08 April 08 01:40 BST (UK)
Not sure if this is your Robert but the only Robert Murdoch Allison that is showing:

12th April 1892, 4 Princes Street,  Stranraer. Parents - William Allison, labourer and Elizabeth, m.s. Murdoch.

William and Elizabeth are shown to have married on Oct 12th 1888 at Stranraer.



Gadget  :)
Title: Re: allison family from wigton, stranraer and surrounding towns
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 08 April 08 01:45 BST (UK)
William's parents were Matthew and Susan (above). In 1888, William was 20 and Elizabeth was 17.

Elizabeth's parents were Robert Murdoch, a fisherman and Jane, maiden surname Garret

Gadget  :)
Title: Re: allison family from wigton, stranraer and surrounding towns
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 08 April 08 01:54 BST (UK)
Thanks for the PM and a happy birthday to you  :D

I expect that we can go back further via censuses and BMDs but I'll look into it tomorrow. it's getting a bit late now  :)

Good Night

Gadget
Title: Re: allison family from wigton, stranraer and surrounding towns
Post by: missterri on Tuesday 08 April 08 10:51 BST (UK)
gadget

like i said in pm so grateful for your fast reply and information yes these are all my line.
what has taken me a lifetime you did in what seems like moments. ;D
 
however still unable to get the photo to download and open :'(

i have new information never got that far back.


great birthday for me though

theresa
Title: Re: allison family from wigton, stranraer and surrounding towns
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 08 April 08 10:58 BST (UK)
Hi Theresa

Did you get the new ones? They're jpg and appeared fine when i sent them individually.

Gadget
Title: Re: allison family from wigton, stranraer and surrounding towns
Post by: missterri on Tuesday 08 April 08 11:28 BST (UK)
gadget


did get hem again same problem ???

forward them to another email address and  :) they opened for me


theresa
Title: Re: allison family from wigton, stranraer and surrounding towns
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 08 April 08 11:55 BST (UK)
That's good   :) - they were big files so may have exceeded the limit of your first e-mail.

I'll check for siblings of Robert and William next.

Gadget  :)

Title: Re: allison family from wigton, stranraer and surrounding towns
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 08 April 08 12:01 BST (UK)
1901 Census
4 Market Street, Stranraer

William Allison, 33, general labourer
Elizabeth, 30
Matthew, 11
Robert, 9
John, 7
William, 7 mths

All born Stranraer.

So Robert had at least 3 brothers  :)

Gadget
Title: Re: allison family from wigton, stranraer and surrounding towns
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 08 April 08 12:18 BST (UK)
1871 Census
25 St Andrew Street, Stranraer

Matthew Allison, 25, labourer, b. Girvan, Ayrshire
Susan, 23, b. Ireland
Mary, 6, b. Stranraer
William, 4, Stranraer
Matthew, 1, Stranraer
John McInsbey (?), father in law,  78, labourer, b. Ireland

Sorry about the Irish birthplace - makes it more difficult to check but if Susan's father was over here, then we can find a death for him and, hopefully, Martha his wife to get their parents.


1881
Stranraer
Matthew Alison, 34, labourer, b. Stranraer
Susan, 33, b. Ireland
Mary, 16,
William, 14
Matthew, 9,
James, 7,
Martha, 5,
Elizabeth, 3,
Alexander, 1

All children b. Stranraer.

As a bonus, also living with them -

Margaret Trenton, cousin, 40, washerwoman, b. Stranraer
James Trenton, 9, b. Glasgow, Govan
Alice Trenton, 6, b. Glasgow, Govan

Gadget  :)
Title: Re: allison family from wigton, stranraer and surrounding towns
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 08 April 08 12:54 BST (UK)
Having trouble finding Matthew's parents, Matthew Allison and Margaret Reid on the censuses but I have found the death of Margaret - very interesting:

20 November 1873 at 24 St John Street, Stranraer, Margaret Kelly, aged 69. Widow of James Kelly, butcher, formerly Matthew Allison, joiner. Parents - William Reid, labourer and Margaret Cunningham, both deceased. Informant - Margaret Allison, daughter.

So Margaret Reid b.c. 1804

Gadget
Title: Re: allison family from wigton, stranraer and surrounding towns
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 08 April 08 13:11 BST (UK)
Mmmmmmmm

Looks like Matthew senior died very early:

Stranraer, Marriage - 14 Sept 1846, Margaret Reid and James Kelly

Gadget
Title: Re: allison family from wigton, stranraer and surrounding towns
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 08 April 08 13:22 BST (UK)
Thank goodness for the McKinstreys

1861
17 Mill Hill Street, Wigtownshire

John McKinstry, 57, Ag labourer, b. Ireland
Martha, 54, sewer of muslin, b. Ireland
Margaret, 22, sewer of muslin, b. Ayr
Susan, 16, sewer of muslin, b. Ireland
Martha, 14, sewer of muslin, b. Ireland
James Carlile, 1, grandson, b. Stranraer

Gadget
Title: Re: allison family from wigton, stranraer and surrounding towns
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 08 April 08 13:28 BST (UK)
Theresa  :)

Do you have information on the Mckinstrey line or not?

Gadget
Title: Re: allison family from wigton, stranraer and surrounding towns
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 08 April 08 13:57 BST (UK)
Still trying to locate the A(l)lison/Reid/Kelly family before 1871

In 1891
11 St Andrew Street, Stanraer

Mathew Allison, 40, labourer, b. Girvan, Ayrshire
Susan, 37, b. ireland
Mathew, 20, labourer
James, 19, labourer
Alexander, 11
Maggie, 7

All children b. Stranraer

So two out of three censuses, mtthew is born Girvan. Will check the 1901*

* checked - down born Girvan on that one as well.
Title: Re: allison family from wigton, stranraer and surrounding towns
Post by: missterri on Tuesday 08 April 08 14:50 BST (UK)
gadget

this is wonderful, no have nothing really my mother died when i was 9 have only found a few cousins of my mothers sister's and they know less than me, most didn't even know of me, so any small thing is a bonus dont know how you do it.



many many thanks


theresa
Title: Re: allison family from wigton, stranraer and surrounding towns
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 08 April 08 15:05 BST (UK)
Hi Theresa

Will get onto the McKinstreys later today then  :)

Gadget
Title: Re: allison family from wigton, stranraer and surrounding towns
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 08 April 08 15:18 BST (UK)
Hi  :)

I have this death for Martha:

Stranraer, 17 Feb 1872, Martha McKinstry, aged 70, at 26 St Andrew St, Stranraer. Widow of John McKinstry, labourer.

Parents - Joseph Strain, labourer and Elizabeth Hasly, both deceased. Informant - Margaret McKinstry, daughter
Title: Re: allison family from wigton, stranraer and surrounding towns
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 08 April 08 18:10 BST (UK)
For my benefit, I've drawn up a direct line tree for Robert Murdoch Allison - no dates or siblings but it helps to see where we're going  :)
Title: Re: allison family from wigton, stranraer and surrounding towns
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 08 April 08 20:42 BST (UK)
Thought I'd move on to an easier one this evening -

Marriage, Stranraer. 8th March 1870:

Robert Murdoch, seaman, aged 22. Parents - Robert Murdoch, fisherman and Mary, m.s. Allison  :o (deceased)

and

Jane Garrett, domestic servant, aged 20. Parents - James Garrett, fisherman and Jane, m.s. Neilson

I'll check them up on the census  :)

Gadget
Title: Re: allison family from wigton, stranraer and surrounding towns
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 08 April 08 21:02 BST (UK)
1891
4 Market Street, Stranraer

Robert Murdoch, 43, fisherman
Jane, 40,
Robert, 18, fisherman
John,15, fisherman
Isabella,13, scholar
James, 11, scholar
Thomas, 9, scholar
George, 7, scholar
Andrew, 2,

All born Stranraer

 :)
Title: Re: allison family from wigton, stranraer and surrounding towns
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 08 April 08 21:10 BST (UK)
1861

Stranraer

Robert Murdoch, 35, oyster dredger, b. Stoneykirk
Robert, 14, b. Stranraer

looks as if mother, Mary, died early  :-\
Title: Re: allison family from wigton, stranraer and surrounding towns
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 08 April 08 21:39 BST (UK)
I have Robert Murdoch, father and son on the 1851 with parents/grandparents. Robert, senior was unmarried so I checked and found a death for Robert in 1897, son Robert was the informant. It is the correct family and i'll put it up shortly.

It appears that Mary Allison and Robert Murdoch never married. Robert's parents were Peter Murdoch,blacksmith and Margaret, m.s. Paterson, both deceased by 1897.

gadget
Title: Re: allison family from wigton, stranraer and surrounding towns
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 08 April 08 22:05 BST (UK)
1851

Foreland Houses, Princes Street, Stranraer

Peter Murdoch, 59, Blacksmith, b. Wigtownshire, Stoneykirk
Margaret, 59, Blacksmith's wife, b. Ireland
Robert, son, unm, 28, fisherman, b. Wigtownshire, Stoneykirk
John, son, unm, 25, fisherman, b. Wigtownshire, Stoneykirk
Jane, dau, unm, 20, sewer of muslin, b. Wigtownshire, Stoneykirk
Maria, dau, unm, 16, sewer of muslin, b. Wigtownshire, Leswalt
Peter, son, mar, 31, Blacksmith, b. Wigtownshire, Stoneykirk
Janet, daughter in law, mar, 28, Blacksmith's wife,b. Wigtownshire, Kirkmaiden
Peter, grdson, 6, b. Glasgow
Robert, grdson, 4, b. Wigtownshire, Stoneykirk
David, grdson, 3, b. Glasgow
Title: Re: allison family from wigton, stranraer and surrounding towns
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 08 April 08 22:17 BST (UK)
Moving to the Garretts:

1871
4 Market Street, Stranraer

James Garrett, 46, fisherman, b. Wigtownshire, Inch
Jean*, 40, b. Wigtownshire, Kirkolm
William, 25, fisherman, b. Stranraer
Sarah, 18, gneral servant, b. Stranraer
James, 15, fisherman, b. Stranraer
Mary, 12, b. Stranraer
Martha Culloch, 5, niece, b. Stranraer

* Jean/Jane/Janet interchangeable in Scotland at that time
Title: Re: allison family from wigton, stranraer and surrounding towns
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 08 April 08 22:30 BST (UK)
The IGI has two James Garretts b. Inch at roughly the same time. However, the one whose mother was Mary Earle died in 1863 so i would guess that this is your James:

Inch, 25 April 1824 James Garret to William Garret and Mary Ambrose

This also ties in with his children's names.

Jane Garrett (m.s. Neilson) died 22 June 1890, aged 64. Her parents were John Neilson, crofter and Sarah, m.s. Kain, both deceased .

Gadget
Title: Re: allison family from wigton, stranraer and surrounding towns
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 08 April 08 22:37 BST (UK)
Not sure if this will come out clearly enough but will try. This is the new tree. The darker green shaded names are the ones that I've not yet found.


Gadget  :)
Title: Re: allison family from wigton, stranraer and surrounding towns
Post by: Bemac on Thursday 11 September 08 11:37 BST (UK)
Hi Theresa,
I have the following in my wifes tree.
Alexander Saul Allison,son of Matthew Allison and Susan McKinstry.b.July25, 1879.d.May16,1946.
Married Elizabeth(Bessie)Wright Lowe Sept.19,1910.The Manse,Stranraer. b.Feb 28,1884. d.Dec.1,1957.
Children.
Alexander b.April3,1904. d.Jan.1 1905.
Letitia b.Dec.7,1905. d.Dec.1,1957
Mother and daughter died on the same day.

Regards
Brian
Title: Re: allison family from wigton, stranraer and surrounding towns
Post by: missterri on Thursday 11 September 08 12:17 BST (UK)
hi Brian

Great to hear from you would this make your wife my cousin????
hope we can help each other i had just about given up on anyone from the clan connecting with me

theresa
Title: Re: allison family from wigton, stranraer and surrounding towns
Post by: mania on Wednesday 14 January 09 17:00 GMT (UK)
Hi there

Picked up that you had info listed on James Garrett married to Jane Neilson, and that they had a daughter, Jane Garrett.

Reason for my interest is that James Garrett and Jane neilson are my great great great grandparents! Will try and explain the link but I'm new to all this. Any dates I have in are rough years of birth (some web sites only say 'about')

James Garrett (1811) and Jane Neilson had a daughter mary and a son William (1846) (and now you seem to suggest another daughter, Jane).

William Garrett (1846) married Helen McMeiken (1856). They had four children, Jane (1879), william (1877), Janet (1881) and Elizabeth (1875).

Jane Garrett (1879) married John Devoy (died 1956). They had two children, Agnes and Mary (1920).

Mary Devoy (1920) married Robert Calvin Newton. They had two children, Robert Ian Newton and Jean Newton.

Robert Ian Newton is my dad!

Kirsty
Title: Re: allison family from wigton, stranraer and surrounding towns
Post by: Bemac on Thursday 15 January 09 14:07 GMT (UK)
Hi Kirsty,

Although I am not really into the Garrett line I have had reason to do some research on the name.(I have an unknown Garrett married into the wifes' family)

According to 1861 census James and Jane Garrett had six children.
William 16, John 14,Jane 11,Sarah 8,James 5,Mary 2.

Scotlands peolple list the following dates of children to James Garrett and Jane Neilson
William b.27/05/1844
John     b.14/12/1846
Jane     b. 02/04/1850
Sarah   b.24/03/1853
I have not looked for births of James and Mary.

The census states James age as 38 (1823)Oyster dredger
Jane is 41 (1820)

Hope this is some help to you.

Brian
Title: Re: allison family from wigton, stranraer and surrounding towns
Post by: mania on Saturday 17 January 09 16:56 GMT (UK)
Hi Missterri,

Sorry I havent replied to your message. Cant figure out how as no 'reply' button on the web site anywhere! Anyway, hopefully you will see this post.

Only further info I have that dosent seem to be mentioned here yet is about James Garrett. He is in an old local newspaper which says the following:-

James Garret claims to be the oldest fisherman in Scotland. He was born at Innermessan, near stranraer in 1811, so that he is now in his 100th year. His mother and father who were also natives of the district, were ages respectively 100 and 103 when they died. James has been a Lochryan fisherman all his life, and during his career he has had many exciting experiences. Once, when fishing off the Ballantrae banks in a heavy sea, the boat was swamped and three of the crew were drowned. In spite of his great age, he enjoys good health, and may be seen daily on the breastwork. William, his son is also a fisherman, and he is now over 70 years of age. He was in the boat with his father when the boating catastrophe referred to occurred, and, like his father, he has had a hard life but is still hale and hearty. The grandson, William Garrett, is also engaged in fishing in Stranraer.
Title: Re: allison family from wigton, stranraer and surrounding towns
Post by: angloscot on Wednesday 25 March 09 15:01 GMT (UK)
Hi Kirsty
    The dates of birth for the other children belonging to James Garrett and Jane Neilson are as follows
   James born 1/7/1855 in Stranraer
   Mary born 11/6/1858 aalso in Stranraer.
   regards

   Alex
Title: Re: allison family from wigton, stranraer and surrounding towns
Post by: Gromitty on Wednesday 17 November 10 13:12 GMT (UK)
Hi Missterri,

Been reading through all your posts and replies on this matter.  These match into my family tree quite well.  My main names are : Harvey, Saul, Graham and Collison.

My tree contains 3000+ names, including Allison, Garret, Murdoch (many more).

My mother's family, Saul, came from Ireland to Stranraer and blossmed there.
My father's family, Harvey, came from Ireland to the Glasgow area and blossomed there.

Alexander Saul (1851) married Mary Wallace Allison (1834) about 1850
Interesting to note that Alexander Saul was a fisherman on the Oyster Dredger "Dove" that was swamped by a storm on Loch Ryan on 16 October 1867 and there were two others that drowned.  It looks like James and William Garret were also on the same ship when this occurred!

Maybe there are other links we can exchange.

Kind regards,


Title: Re: allison family from wigton, stranraer and surrounding towns
Post by: Gromitty on Monday 22 November 10 10:42 GMT (UK)
Hi Misterri,

Got your message but don't know how to send you one back.  But not to worry.

If you like I can send you the gedcom for my family tree and you can take what you want from it or keep it all, although I don't think you'll want it all.

I you want the Gedcom send my you email address and I'll forward it to you.

Regards,
Title: Re: allison family from wigton, stranraer and surrounding towns
Post by: beannie on Tuesday 23 November 10 08:09 GMT (UK)
Hi,
Do you know there is a photo of James and William Garret  and about their lives in Through the Lens book 12, Characters of Dumfries and Galloway, if anyone wants the photo PM me and I will scan it and send it.
Kind Regards
beannie
Title: Re: allison family from wigton, stranraer and surrounding towns
Post by: weechaz67 on Sunday 07 December 14 22:39 GMT (UK)
Hi am from stranraer and i have just found out that the matthew Allison and Susan mckinstry are my great great gran and Granada. my Granada was called wullie Allison also known as coal wullie don't know much more than that to be honest anything else u guys might know would be helpful thanks

Charlene