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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Wigtownshire => Topic started by: missterri on Tuesday 08 April 08 01:17 BST (UK)
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hi to everyone
trying to get any information on Allison's grandfather Robert Murdoch Allison, gtgf William gggf matthew married to Susan mckinstrie (spelling could be wrong) any information at all thank my mothers name Mary grey mccubbin Allison (Farrell)
my family moved to Australia in the 60S know very little of my mothers family
but she had around 12 siblings
thank you all for any help
Theresa
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Hi Theresa
Welcome to Rootschat :)
Scotlands People www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk have the marriage of Matthew Allison and Susan Mckinstrey at Stranraer on 28th August 1866.
Matthew was a labourer and aged 20. His parents were Matthew Allison, a tinsmith (deceased) and Margaret, maiden surname, Reid.
Susan was also aged 20. Her parents were John McKinstrey, a labourer and Martha, maiden surname Strain
Regards
Gadget
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Not sure if this is your Robert but the only Robert Murdoch Allison that is showing:
12th April 1892, 4 Princes Street, Stranraer. Parents - William Allison, labourer and Elizabeth, m.s. Murdoch.
William and Elizabeth are shown to have married on Oct 12th 1888 at Stranraer.
Gadget :)
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William's parents were Matthew and Susan (above). In 1888, William was 20 and Elizabeth was 17.
Elizabeth's parents were Robert Murdoch, a fisherman and Jane, maiden surname Garret
Gadget :)
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Thanks for the PM and a happy birthday to you :D
I expect that we can go back further via censuses and BMDs but I'll look into it tomorrow. it's getting a bit late now :)
Good Night
Gadget
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gadget
like i said in pm so grateful for your fast reply and information yes these are all my line.
what has taken me a lifetime you did in what seems like moments. ;D
however still unable to get the photo to download and open :'(
i have new information never got that far back.
great birthday for me though
theresa
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Hi Theresa
Did you get the new ones? They're jpg and appeared fine when i sent them individually.
Gadget
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gadget
did get hem again same problem ???
forward them to another email address and :) they opened for me
theresa
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That's good :) - they were big files so may have exceeded the limit of your first e-mail.
I'll check for siblings of Robert and William next.
Gadget :)
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1901 Census
4 Market Street, Stranraer
William Allison, 33, general labourer
Elizabeth, 30
Matthew, 11
Robert, 9
John, 7
William, 7 mths
All born Stranraer.
So Robert had at least 3 brothers :)
Gadget
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1871 Census
25 St Andrew Street, Stranraer
Matthew Allison, 25, labourer, b. Girvan, Ayrshire
Susan, 23, b. Ireland
Mary, 6, b. Stranraer
William, 4, Stranraer
Matthew, 1, Stranraer
John McInsbey (?), father in law, 78, labourer, b. Ireland
Sorry about the Irish birthplace - makes it more difficult to check but if Susan's father was over here, then we can find a death for him and, hopefully, Martha his wife to get their parents.
1881
Stranraer
Matthew Alison, 34, labourer, b. Stranraer
Susan, 33, b. Ireland
Mary, 16,
William, 14
Matthew, 9,
James, 7,
Martha, 5,
Elizabeth, 3,
Alexander, 1
All children b. Stranraer.
As a bonus, also living with them -
Margaret Trenton, cousin, 40, washerwoman, b. Stranraer
James Trenton, 9, b. Glasgow, Govan
Alice Trenton, 6, b. Glasgow, Govan
Gadget :)
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Having trouble finding Matthew's parents, Matthew Allison and Margaret Reid on the censuses but I have found the death of Margaret - very interesting:
20 November 1873 at 24 St John Street, Stranraer, Margaret Kelly, aged 69. Widow of James Kelly, butcher, formerly Matthew Allison, joiner. Parents - William Reid, labourer and Margaret Cunningham, both deceased. Informant - Margaret Allison, daughter.
So Margaret Reid b.c. 1804
Gadget
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Mmmmmmmm
Looks like Matthew senior died very early:
Stranraer, Marriage - 14 Sept 1846, Margaret Reid and James Kelly
Gadget
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Thank goodness for the McKinstreys
1861
17 Mill Hill Street, Wigtownshire
John McKinstry, 57, Ag labourer, b. Ireland
Martha, 54, sewer of muslin, b. Ireland
Margaret, 22, sewer of muslin, b. Ayr
Susan, 16, sewer of muslin, b. Ireland
Martha, 14, sewer of muslin, b. Ireland
James Carlile, 1, grandson, b. Stranraer
Gadget
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Theresa :)
Do you have information on the Mckinstrey line or not?
Gadget
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Still trying to locate the A(l)lison/Reid/Kelly family before 1871
In 1891
11 St Andrew Street, Stanraer
Mathew Allison, 40, labourer, b. Girvan, Ayrshire
Susan, 37, b. ireland
Mathew, 20, labourer
James, 19, labourer
Alexander, 11
Maggie, 7
All children b. Stranraer
So two out of three censuses, mtthew is born Girvan. Will check the 1901*
* checked - down born Girvan on that one as well.
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gadget
this is wonderful, no have nothing really my mother died when i was 9 have only found a few cousins of my mothers sister's and they know less than me, most didn't even know of me, so any small thing is a bonus dont know how you do it.
many many thanks
theresa
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Hi Theresa
Will get onto the McKinstreys later today then :)
Gadget
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Hi :)
I have this death for Martha:
Stranraer, 17 Feb 1872, Martha McKinstry, aged 70, at 26 St Andrew St, Stranraer. Widow of John McKinstry, labourer.
Parents - Joseph Strain, labourer and Elizabeth Hasly, both deceased. Informant - Margaret McKinstry, daughter
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For my benefit, I've drawn up a direct line tree for Robert Murdoch Allison - no dates or siblings but it helps to see where we're going :)
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Thought I'd move on to an easier one this evening -
Marriage, Stranraer. 8th March 1870:
Robert Murdoch, seaman, aged 22. Parents - Robert Murdoch, fisherman and Mary, m.s. Allison :o (deceased)
and
Jane Garrett, domestic servant, aged 20. Parents - James Garrett, fisherman and Jane, m.s. Neilson
I'll check them up on the census :)
Gadget
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1891
4 Market Street, Stranraer
Robert Murdoch, 43, fisherman
Jane, 40,
Robert, 18, fisherman
John,15, fisherman
Isabella,13, scholar
James, 11, scholar
Thomas, 9, scholar
George, 7, scholar
Andrew, 2,
All born Stranraer
:)
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1861
Stranraer
Robert Murdoch, 35, oyster dredger, b. Stoneykirk
Robert, 14, b. Stranraer
looks as if mother, Mary, died early :-\
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I have Robert Murdoch, father and son on the 1851 with parents/grandparents. Robert, senior was unmarried so I checked and found a death for Robert in 1897, son Robert was the informant. It is the correct family and i'll put it up shortly.
It appears that Mary Allison and Robert Murdoch never married. Robert's parents were Peter Murdoch,blacksmith and Margaret, m.s. Paterson, both deceased by 1897.
gadget
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1851
Foreland Houses, Princes Street, Stranraer
Peter Murdoch, 59, Blacksmith, b. Wigtownshire, Stoneykirk
Margaret, 59, Blacksmith's wife, b. Ireland
Robert, son, unm, 28, fisherman, b. Wigtownshire, Stoneykirk
John, son, unm, 25, fisherman, b. Wigtownshire, Stoneykirk
Jane, dau, unm, 20, sewer of muslin, b. Wigtownshire, Stoneykirk
Maria, dau, unm, 16, sewer of muslin, b. Wigtownshire, Leswalt
Peter, son, mar, 31, Blacksmith, b. Wigtownshire, Stoneykirk
Janet, daughter in law, mar, 28, Blacksmith's wife,b. Wigtownshire, Kirkmaiden
Peter, grdson, 6, b. Glasgow
Robert, grdson, 4, b. Wigtownshire, Stoneykirk
David, grdson, 3, b. Glasgow
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Moving to the Garretts:
1871
4 Market Street, Stranraer
James Garrett, 46, fisherman, b. Wigtownshire, Inch
Jean*, 40, b. Wigtownshire, Kirkolm
William, 25, fisherman, b. Stranraer
Sarah, 18, gneral servant, b. Stranraer
James, 15, fisherman, b. Stranraer
Mary, 12, b. Stranraer
Martha Culloch, 5, niece, b. Stranraer
* Jean/Jane/Janet interchangeable in Scotland at that time
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The IGI has two James Garretts b. Inch at roughly the same time. However, the one whose mother was Mary Earle died in 1863 so i would guess that this is your James:
Inch, 25 April 1824 James Garret to William Garret and Mary Ambrose
This also ties in with his children's names.
Jane Garrett (m.s. Neilson) died 22 June 1890, aged 64. Her parents were John Neilson, crofter and Sarah, m.s. Kain, both deceased .
Gadget
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Not sure if this will come out clearly enough but will try. This is the new tree. The darker green shaded names are the ones that I've not yet found.
Gadget :)
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Hi Theresa,
I have the following in my wifes tree.
Alexander Saul Allison,son of Matthew Allison and Susan McKinstry.b.July25, 1879.d.May16,1946.
Married Elizabeth(Bessie)Wright Lowe Sept.19,1910.The Manse,Stranraer. b.Feb 28,1884. d.Dec.1,1957.
Children.
Alexander b.April3,1904. d.Jan.1 1905.
Letitia b.Dec.7,1905. d.Dec.1,1957
Mother and daughter died on the same day.
Regards
Brian
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hi Brian
Great to hear from you would this make your wife my cousin????
hope we can help each other i had just about given up on anyone from the clan connecting with me
theresa
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Hi there
Picked up that you had info listed on James Garrett married to Jane Neilson, and that they had a daughter, Jane Garrett.
Reason for my interest is that James Garrett and Jane neilson are my great great great grandparents! Will try and explain the link but I'm new to all this. Any dates I have in are rough years of birth (some web sites only say 'about')
James Garrett (1811) and Jane Neilson had a daughter mary and a son William (1846) (and now you seem to suggest another daughter, Jane).
William Garrett (1846) married Helen McMeiken (1856). They had four children, Jane (1879), william (1877), Janet (1881) and Elizabeth (1875).
Jane Garrett (1879) married John Devoy (died 1956). They had two children, Agnes and Mary (1920).
Mary Devoy (1920) married Robert Calvin Newton. They had two children, Robert Ian Newton and Jean Newton.
Robert Ian Newton is my dad!
Kirsty
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Hi Kirsty,
Although I am not really into the Garrett line I have had reason to do some research on the name.(I have an unknown Garrett married into the wifes' family)
According to 1861 census James and Jane Garrett had six children.
William 16, John 14,Jane 11,Sarah 8,James 5,Mary 2.
Scotlands peolple list the following dates of children to James Garrett and Jane Neilson
William b.27/05/1844
John b.14/12/1846
Jane b. 02/04/1850
Sarah b.24/03/1853
I have not looked for births of James and Mary.
The census states James age as 38 (1823)Oyster dredger
Jane is 41 (1820)
Hope this is some help to you.
Brian
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Hi Missterri,
Sorry I havent replied to your message. Cant figure out how as no 'reply' button on the web site anywhere! Anyway, hopefully you will see this post.
Only further info I have that dosent seem to be mentioned here yet is about James Garrett. He is in an old local newspaper which says the following:-
James Garret claims to be the oldest fisherman in Scotland. He was born at Innermessan, near stranraer in 1811, so that he is now in his 100th year. His mother and father who were also natives of the district, were ages respectively 100 and 103 when they died. James has been a Lochryan fisherman all his life, and during his career he has had many exciting experiences. Once, when fishing off the Ballantrae banks in a heavy sea, the boat was swamped and three of the crew were drowned. In spite of his great age, he enjoys good health, and may be seen daily on the breastwork. William, his son is also a fisherman, and he is now over 70 years of age. He was in the boat with his father when the boating catastrophe referred to occurred, and, like his father, he has had a hard life but is still hale and hearty. The grandson, William Garrett, is also engaged in fishing in Stranraer.
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Hi Kirsty
The dates of birth for the other children belonging to James Garrett and Jane Neilson are as follows
James born 1/7/1855 in Stranraer
Mary born 11/6/1858 aalso in Stranraer.
regards
Alex
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Hi Missterri,
Been reading through all your posts and replies on this matter. These match into my family tree quite well. My main names are : Harvey, Saul, Graham and Collison.
My tree contains 3000+ names, including Allison, Garret, Murdoch (many more).
My mother's family, Saul, came from Ireland to Stranraer and blossmed there.
My father's family, Harvey, came from Ireland to the Glasgow area and blossomed there.
Alexander Saul (1851) married Mary Wallace Allison (1834) about 1850
Interesting to note that Alexander Saul was a fisherman on the Oyster Dredger "Dove" that was swamped by a storm on Loch Ryan on 16 October 1867 and there were two others that drowned. It looks like James and William Garret were also on the same ship when this occurred!
Maybe there are other links we can exchange.
Kind regards,
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Hi Misterri,
Got your message but don't know how to send you one back. But not to worry.
If you like I can send you the gedcom for my family tree and you can take what you want from it or keep it all, although I don't think you'll want it all.
I you want the Gedcom send my you email address and I'll forward it to you.
Regards,
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Hi,
Do you know there is a photo of James and William Garret and about their lives in Through the Lens book 12, Characters of Dumfries and Galloway, if anyone wants the photo PM me and I will scan it and send it.
Kind Regards
beannie
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Hi am from stranraer and i have just found out that the matthew Allison and Susan mckinstry are my great great gran and Granada. my Granada was called wullie Allison also known as coal wullie don't know much more than that to be honest anything else u guys might know would be helpful thanks
Charlene