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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: McCann on Tuesday 08 April 08 16:31 BST (UK)
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Please help!
My Scottish searches have led me to Ireland, but I am to new to Irish geneology.
I am trying to find information on my gg grandmother and ggg gparents.
Elizabeth "Eliza" Given (Govan in marriage cert., Givens on death cert.) was born in 1850-1852 in what looks like "Duncanella" Ireland (per 1891 Scottish census from Dennistoun, Glasgow, Townhead). She was married in Scotland in 1876 to John McLean. I am looking to find a copy of her birth record and possibly a census record for 1861 (probably Ireland) or 1871 (Ireland or Scotland).
Her parents are listed in her wedding cert. as Robert Govan (laboourer) and Jeannie Govan (m.s. Downs).
Her parents are listed on her death cert. as Robert Givens and Ann Givens (m.s. Dane).
Can someone perform these searches for me, or can you advise me where I may begin to look for the information I need. Any help would be appreciated.
Thank you.
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Civil registration of births in Ireland started in 1864 so there will be no birth certificate for Eliza. First complete Irish census is 1901 and only small fragments for a few earlier ones survive.
Could you given more details re 1891 census (Eliza's name, age, etc.) or post just the bit that says "Duncanella" so we could try to see what it might really be.
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Can't find a townland called Duncenalla (as foud on 1891 census on your McLean post) but closest I could get was a Ducalla in Co. Kerry and a Doonvinalla in Co. Mayo.
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Thank you for the information. Its a shame those records are not available. I have asked the woman who provided me with the 1891 census information to email me a copy/or post so I can try to decipher the name (if don't hear, I will just order a copy). I appreciate you checking the possibilities for me. I will let you know what I come up with. Thanks again.
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aghadowey:
If you are still checking this post, I have a copy of that census (still looks like Duncanalla to me), but cannot for the life of me attach it. Is there any chance I can email it to you for review? I would really appreciate it. Thank you.
McCann
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Hi McCann
here is the attachment
the place name McCann is looking for is the third one on the line
Elaine
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Elaine:
Thank you so much!
Hopefully, someone recognizes the place name, or at least has a suggestion.
All the best!
McCann
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Sorry but not having much luck figuring out the place D____ll__ is the best I can do which isn't any help. Don't suppose there's any more details on other census - even a county would help.
Any chance of the details of the person 2 up from this mystery entry? Looks like it's 'Achad_y, Derry' which could be Aghadowey?
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Thanks for looking.
Don't know. The place name looks like one of the following: Achoday/Achodry/Achodey, Derry. Her name seems to be Mary Ann Gillen (G could be a C, but fairly certain its a G), head, married, age 40(something?), ocupation: Shirt Finisher, also at 93 Middleton Place, Parish of Townhead, Dennistoun.
Let me know if that helps.
McCann
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Many thanks- could certainly be a variation of Aghadowey (based on pronunciation) but don't recognise the name but suppose Gillen is her married name.
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Hi mcCann and aghadowey
I think it looks more like Cullen
Elaine
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Thanks Elaine.
Yes. Thats what I thought at first, but i zoomed in on the original image an got a second opinion. Still could be Cullen, but up close looks more like Gillen. Also compared with another C and G on the page. Both are close, though.
All the best.
McCann
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here is the name see if aghadowey can make it out
Elaine
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Thanks Elaine - does look like Cullen. Will file it away in the 'Herd Book' where I keep misc. bits of family trees just in case it ever links to anything later.
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I know it doesnt exactly look like it but soundwise Dunkineely, Co. Donegal, perhaps.
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DonnyB:
Thank you very much for your input.
I will keep that in mind in my research.
Although, to be honest, I don't exactly know where to go from here - I have never had to try to obtain info from Ireland.
Thanks again.
McCann
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Hello McCann, well Dunkineely was a guess rather than something definite, and I wouldnt want to send you off on any false leads or anything. However, the parish for Dunkineely is Killaghtee and according to www.failteromhat.com there were Given's living in the Parish including a Robert Given in Gilbertstown. There were also Deane's in the parish including a couple in Gilbertstown. Have you ever heard Donegal mentioned or Killybegs? You won't get a census record or civil birth record for the time as previously mentioned. Possible you might get a baptism though but I wouldnt want to give you false hope.
As I said I was guessing at Dunkineely, does anyone think its a possibility?
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DonnyB
Don't worry, I won't blame you for a mis-lead. I sincerely appreciate your guess. Any information, fact or suggestion, is helpful and always appreciated.
Thank you for checking that site. Right now it says unavailable, but when it is back up I will check for the name McKegg, which is Eliza's illegitimate daughter's last name on an early Scottish census (believed to be father's name - from Ireland). If there are also McKeggs, that could be a more solid start for further inquiry. Do you agree?
I haven't heard of any Irish city or town named, except for the information I obtained from that census.
Thank you again, DonnyB. I really do aprecaite all the help.
McCann
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McKegg might also be McKeag, McCaig, McKeague, etc.
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Thank you aghadowey:
I'll keep them all in mind.
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Well, no such luck. I didn't see any McKeggs, McCaigs, or the like.
Back to square one I suppose.
Thank you for all the help.
I'll post any new info I find in the event there is an interest.
McCann
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Sorry for taking so long to get back McCann. If the father of Eliza's daughter was Irish I think the surname would have to be some sort of variant of McKegg rather than McKegg itself. He may not have been from the same area as Eliza so I dont think its necessary to find all three surnames in the same place.
It might be worth posting something to the Donegal forum. Something on the lines that you have an Elizabeth 'Eliza' Given born 1850-1852, parents Robert Given and Ann Dane/Downs or variant spelling and you are trying to identify whether its possible they may have been from the Dunkineely area. I could be way off but it wont hurt to try.
Donny
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If you type 'McKegg' and put in 'Ireland' in search page at www.familysearch.org lots of varients come up.
McCann- if you do decide to post something on Donegal board it would be a good idea to post a link to this post to save duplication.
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DonnyB and aghadowey:
Thank you so much for your advice.
When I have anothr moment's time, I certainly will enter a new post per your suggestions.
All the best!
Thanks again.
McCann
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I know it doesnt exactly look like it but soundwise Dunkineely, Co. Donegal, perhaps.
I'd be inclined to forget about the Kerry and Mayo place names. DonnyB's idea about a Donegal place name makes sense as large numbers of Donegal people headed to Glasgow.
McKegg might also be McKeag, McCaig, McKeague, etc.
McKeague ... comes from Counties Antrim, Derry and Donegal
McKeag is a more popular surname in Co. Down
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Thank you for your input, Christopher.
I feel much closer to the information I thought I would never find thanks to all of you.
aghadowey: Forgive my ignorance, but how do I post a link to this thread? I can certainly reference it in any new post, but don't know how to attach a link.
Thank you all for your interest and your assistance.
McCann
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Hello McCann,
Have a look at How to link threads www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,269898.0.html
Christopher
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Thank you Christopher. I'll give it a go.
McCann
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Just a thought. Drummullan Co, Derry
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Could it be Drummullan Co, Derry
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lephrechaun:
Thank you for you suggestion. I will keep it in my notes, although I am fairly certain now that it is Dunkineely, Donegal. See the continuation posts in the Donegal section - http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,319358.0.html.
Other members seem to have come up with some evidence of Dunkineely - what appears to be Eliza's brother (same parents).
Thank you for you interest.
All the best!
McCann
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I don't know if you proved the Dunkineely connection or got any further but I live in Dunkineely and would be happy to help out with any searches locally if you need it. There were 36 Givens living in the area in the 1911 census and there are certainly still Deanes in the area.