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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Wexford => Topic started by: acookey on Wednesday 09 April 08 07:03 BST (UK)
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Hullo to Ireland from Sunny Qld
Can anyone help me? I am trying to find some information on my GG Grandfather, Rev William Pasley. He married Katherine Wilson, supposed daughter of a countess?
My Great Grandfather was his son, Robert Pasley who migrated to Australia in 1949. We know little about William, but he is mentioned as the father of Elizabeth Long whose daughter Mildred was involved in a "scandal" (the Langworthy affair) in England in the 1880's. We have photos of Elizabeth Long, that must have been sent to her brother, Robert.
In the publication, A Romance of the Law Courts, Elizabeth Long's father is described as Dr Sabine-Pasley, rector of a parish in Wexford. We know the events and people in the publication were true, although there could be a little literary licence. Therefore not sure about the Sabine-Pasley bit, might have been a bit of gilding of the lily there.
Robert's brother, Walter, also came to Australia, and they only refound each other shortly before Walter's death because of this publication. Walter in a letter to Robert in 1885 says "I suppose you never hear of the Wilsons of Wexford - If John Wilson is alive and still at Jigginstown. I wonder how he acts the Landord - and how does the "Plan of Campaign" affect him. Well, Well, I thought once I was to marry Fanny Wilson......."
We also know from Walter's letter that they attended the Blue Coat School, probably in Dublin, and that another brother William was a seaman, probably a master, but suffered from eplispy from a blow to the head.
Can anyone help me with information or how I might go about finding out.
With thanks
Annette Cooke
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To start with- Blue Coat School:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Coat_School#Education
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_King's_Hospital
Could you perhaps give an idea of dates here so we can suggest sources to check.
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found this marriage. ELIZABETH PASLEY TO WM. LONG 18-12-1847 @ ST.MARYS DUBLIN.
FATHERS. WM. PASLEY & ROBERT LONG.
regards mary.
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Hi
That certainly looks like Elizabeth Pasley's marriage, thank you Mary. Thanks also for the links, Aghadowey.
Walter died in Qld in 1889. His DC said he was 59 , so that puts his birth about 1830. Roberts birth date is believed to be 1835. Other siblings we know of are Charles, no dates, William (seaman, master?), Louise who also died in Australia, in Victoria, believed to be born about 1843, a Mary who came to Australia, no dates, and Elizabeth who maried William Long.
As Rev William married Katherine Wilson, it is interesting Walter talks about the Wilson's of Wexford, which is one of the reasons I posted to Wexford board.
With thanks
Annette
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Hi All :-[
Just realised I made a typo in my orginal posting. Robert Pasley migrated in 1849, not 1949.
We have no dates for his parents, except for his mother's death.
Cheers
Annette
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Hi all
I found an index of a possible marriage notice for Rev William and Katherine. It was for the 1820 Freemans journal, and I have sent for a transcription but as the site is not answering emails I am not feeling that confident.
The index said: Grooms name: Pasley, Brides name: Palliser, Brides place: Great Island; Place of Marriage: Tintern, other surname on notice: Wilson. The name Palliser, I have since found, is associated with the family, and there were Wilson Pallisers around Wexford at the time. In fact Christian Wilson Palliser and Matthew Wilson Palliser sold the family estates at Great Island through the Incumbered Estates Court in 1850. (Amazing what you find surfing the net).
Is there anyway some kind person could look this marriage record up for me, before I go mad with frustration!!!
I have extensively searched the Griffiths Valuations but can find no Rev William Pasley.
Thanks in advance
Annette
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Hi everyone,
The Pasley family were a well know Dublin Cabinet Making firm for much of the 18th and 19th Century.
PASLEY OR PASSLEY, James, Joiner, Stadbally, Co Laois or Queens, 1729. His will is listed and dated 1727 in Prerogative Will of Ireland (Prerogative Wills of Ireland 1536-1810, pp 368).
PASLEY OR PARSLEY I, Robert, Upholder and Cabinet Maker, 50 Abbey-street 1782-1790.
PASLEY OR PARSLEY II, Robert, Upholder and Cabinet Maker, 6 Henry-street 1807-1814. 50 Abbey-street 1816-1828. 42 and 44 Stafford-street 1830-1833 (in partnership with William Scott 1830-1833). Fictitious Votes (Ireland). Place of Residence and Description-Robert Paisley, Cabinet Maker,42 Stafford-street, Situation of Property-House 42 Stafford-street, Description of Right to Vote-Freeman, Date of Registry- 26th October 1832 (Parl Papers 1837, Vol XI, pp 280).
PASLEY OR PARSLEY III, Robert, Upholder and Cabinet Maker, 18 Bachelor’s-walk 1839-1844. 19 Bachelor’s-walk 1845-1851. 20 Bachelor’s-walk 1852-1861. He is also recorded as voting in the City of Dublin election on 25th January 1842 for one representatives: Lord Morpeth (Election for Dublin 1842, NLI Ir 32341 d31). List of Jurors returned by Collectors of Grand Jury Cess for County of Dublin: Special Juror’s List, 1844; Affidavits filed in Cause, Queen v O’Connell, December 1843; St Mary’s Parish Names-Robert Pasley, District-18 Bachelor’s-walk, Calling of Business-Cabinet Maker, Qualification-Householder (Parl Papers 1844, Vol XLIV, pp 45)
PASLEY OR PARSLEY, William, Upholder, Upper Stand-street 1762-1775. 24 Great Stand-street 1776-1780. Freeman of the City of Dublin as a Upholder by Service, Midsummer 1739. Jonas Pasley apprenticed to his father William Pasley, as a Upholder, Michaelmas, 1765. Pasley was elected Master of the Upholders Guild from 1762-1763. Pasley voted in the Poll for electing two members to represent The City of Dublin in April 1761; Dr Charles Lucas and Ald Hunt (NLI Ms P349).
To be sold by Auction, by William Pasley, Upholder, on Monday 28th of March, the household furniture and interest of the lease of Mrs. Wilkinson's house in Bride-street near Golden-lane (with all the fixtures) being a term for fifty years from the 25th of March 1765, at the yearly rent of 32l for which a fine has been paid, a condisderable sum laid out. The house id new, genteely fitted up and has a large open to the rear. Particulars of the furniture are expressed in handbills. The sale be being at elven o’clock and continue till all are sold. N.B. The intrest of the lease will be sold on the 1st day of sale, precisely at one o’clock (FDJ 1768, 15th-17 March).
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How about;
PASLEY, GEORGE GERALD. Rank: Second Lieutenant. Regiment/Service: Royal Flying Corps Age: 19 Date of Death: 19/12/1917 Additional information: Son of Mrs. M. Pasley, of "The Mount, " Tinahely. Grave/Memorial Reference: In North-West part. Cemetery: Kilcommon Church of Ireland Churchyard, Tinahely, Co Wicklow.
PASLEY, JOHN VINCENT. Rank: Acting Lance Corporal. Regiment or Service: Military Police Corps Unit: No. 1 Troop Mounted Military Police. Attached Traffic Control. Date of Death: 05-March-1919. Age at Death; 22. Service No: P/13078. Born in Lugduff. Enlisted in Tinahely while living in Tinahely. Died. Supplementary information; Son of Mr. J. George and Margaret J. Pasley, of The Mount, Tinahely, Co. Wicklow. Grave or Memorial Reference: III. B. 14. Cemetery: Cologne Southern Cemetery.
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Thank you to Enfield and Kingjohn for bringing this up again.
I will update you with what has happened since.
I found Rev William Pasley and Katherine Wilson Palliser's marriage, after striking out with the RCB Library, from the Parish at New Ross, and they were indeed married at Tintern Church (recorded in the Owenduff records). That is as far as I have managed to go though the Wilson Palliser line is traceable for a long way.
It is the Pasley part that is the problem. In your list, Kingjohn, the Robert Pasley of Bachelors Walk is very closely linked with this story, but who he was in relation to my Rev William, I do not know.
1. He is named as the executor in the will of Rev William Pasley, who died at Harold's Cross in 1837. His children were William H, Webster, Robert, sons, and Mary, Elizabeth and Fanny daughters. His wife is unknown, as she had household goods beqeathed, but name unstated.
It is really the accounting for the estate, not the will itself.
2. Children of William and Katherine (known) are: William b. 1821 d. c 1888, Elizabeth b. 1826, Walter b. 1929 d. 1889, Robert b. 1835 d. 1899 and Louisa b. 1842, d. 1820.
3. Elizabeth as in 2. married William Long in Dublin at St. Mary's Church in 1847. She gave her Residence as Bachelors Walk, and Robert Pasley signed as Witness together with the Grooms father.
4. Katherine Pasley is buried in an unmarked grave at Mt. Jerome with Robert Pasley and his wife.
The RCB Library has no record of a second Rev William Pasley.
Oh how I would love to knock down this brick wall.
Regards
Annette
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Hi Annette. Wondering if you have come across the surnames Gore or Shudall in your research into the Wilson family of Co. Wexford?
Katharine.
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Hi Annette
I'm a retired academic historian who is currently researching the 'Langworthy Marriage' for a projected book and thought we might share information. By the sound of it, you already have the full story? If not, I'm more than happy to share my material (i.e. the full text, accompanying newspaper reports and wider information about W.T. Stead, the late-Victorian journalist who championed Mildred's case and wrote the story in the Pall Mall Gazette.)
For my part, I'm keen to explore Mildred's family history and hope you might be able to help me? You mention, for example, that you have a photo of her mother, who played an active role in the drama, and letters from her brothers who emigrated to Australia.I would like to write an early chapter on her family background in Ireland.
There are two sequels to the main story that you may not have come across.
Firstly, eleven years after winning her case against Langworthy and receiving record damages, Mildred and her daughter, Gladys, turned up in Paris with Langworthy himself! There was lots of speculation at the time that they had somehow reconciled but Stead thought that Mildred was lured there by Langworthy who wrote telling her he was ill and asking her to join him. It was 1898. They booked into the Grand Hotel and were seen together. Then their daughter was sent back to England and shortly afterwards, Mildred was found dead in Langworthy's bed. Her body was spirited away and cremated, leaving something of a mystery surrounding her death, and as soon as her body left the bedroom, Langworthy took out a pistol and shot himself. It's very melodramatic.
Secondly, Gladys, their daughter, was looked after by her grandparents, Elizabeth and William Long, and in 1906, married Charles Richard Molesworth, 10th Viscount Molesworth of Swords. I'm hoping to make contact with her descendants to see if they have any records and would of course share them with you, should I get permission.
But in the meantime, can we collaborate on piecing together her family history in Ireland?
Hoping you can help,
Tony Nicholson
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http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=OAM18870820.2.15 gives a snippet of case.
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http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=OW18870729.2.21
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http://www.rootschat.com/links/01f8l/
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Thanks for this. It's a good example of how the Langworthy Marriage went global. It was translated into several languages, including Spanish, which meant that versions of the story appeared in Argentina where Langworthy owned vast estates and thought himself secure from attack. He wasn't. At one stage, he was hissed as he stood on a railway platform in Buenos Aires and Stead always counted this one of his finest achievements. But the story was particular big in the English Empire, including Australia and New Zealand, and this is a fascinating example of how it set people talking and making connections, just as it did in the Long family. Aren't online newspaper archives fantastic.
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E1. Katherine Palliser, of the Great Island, Co. Wexford, Md., John Wilson, of Scarr.
F1. Christian Wilson, of Scarr, Md., Elizabeth Redmond, d. of Matthew Redmond, of Kilgowen, Co. Wexford.
G1. John Wilson.
G2. Matthew Wilson (later Palliser), of the Great Island, Co. Wexford, Md. 1812, Jane Wilson, d. of Christian Wilson, of Sledagh.
http://www.william1.co.uk/w134.htm
Interesting that Wilson of Wexford has a family shield yet is so hard to look up, these names come of a chart of decendants of William the Conqueror
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But aren't they asking about " If John Wilson is alive and still at Jigginstown??"
Where is Jiggingtown?? Isn't it in Co. Kildare??
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...."Interesting that Wilson of Wexford has a family shield yet is so hard to look up, these names come of a chart of decendants of William the Conqueror....."
Why? They are all on line on National Library site with Pedigrees
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http://catalogue.nli.ie/Author/Home?author=Ireland.%20Genealogical%20Office but one has to wade through them....
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E1. Katherine Palliser, of the Great Island, Co. Wexford, Md., John Wilson, of Scarr.
F1. Christian Wilson, of Scarr, Md., Elizabeth Redmond, d. of Matthew Redmond, of Kilgowen, Co. Wexford.
G1. John Wilson.
G2. Matthew Wilson (later Palliser), of the Great Island, Co. Wexford, Md. 1812, Jane Wilson, d. of Christian Wilson, of Sledagh.
http://www.william1.co.uk/w134.htm
Interesting that Wilson of Wexford has a family shield yet is so hard to look up, these names come of a chart of decendants of William the Conqueror
Plenty on them incl.
http://sources.nli.ie/Search/Results?lookfor=%22+Wilson%2C+Family+of%22&type=Subject&filter[]=geographic_facet%3A%22County+Wexford%22&view=list
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I'm new to these records and may need time to evaluate them, but many of you are much more familiar with them and I might therefore need some help. I think Annette was probably right when she thought Mildred may have gilded the lily and sometimes inflated her family pedigree. I've no hard evidence to prove it, just a gut instinct, and I may be wrong. For his part, Stead was anxious to portray her as a lady of position and education.She told him that one of her uncles (no name given) was in the habit of taking his nieces on Continental holidays each year and there's much to suggest the family was well off, at least until her father lost his fortune in the late 1870s, so the aristocratic connections may indeed be real.
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http://sources.nli.ie/Record/MS_UR_063828,,,, Copy of confirmation of arms to the descendants of Christian Wilson of Sledagh Hall, Scar Castle in Co. Wexford and Roseville in Co. Wexford and to his grandson, Capt. William Henry Wilson, 39th Foot of Roseville, July 13, 1855. You only need this to order it... Genealogical Office: Ms.108, pp.109-10 and you get the 2 page Pedigree.
Very reasonable priced and an official source for all the names!! jharte2'at'nli.ie is person to ask...
email address at bottom of http://www.nli.ie/en/reprographic-services.aspx
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But aren't they asking about " If John Wilson is alive and still at Jigginstown??"
Where is Jiggingtown?? Isn't it in Co. Kildare??
See http://members.pcug.org.au/~nickred/deeds/memorial_extract.cgi?my_memorial=22724&my_indexer=AnneChamney
for an apparent reference to a Jigginstown, Co. Wexford.
However, I think these examples are possibly/probably misreadings/mistranscriptions of Sigginstown, Co. Wexford, which certainly exists.
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I am the grandson of Lisle Christian Palliser Wilson. I have a copy of our family shield that I see mentioned here. My grandfather had it commissioned at the College of arms (Lancashire I think) Happy to scan and post it here if you like...
Christian D. R. Wilson
Sydney NSW
Australia (born in Tasmania Australia)
E1. Katherine Palliser, of the Great Island, Co. Wexford, Md., John Wilson, of Scarr.
F1. Christian Wilson, of Scarr, Md., Elizabeth Redmond, d. of Matthew Redmond, of Kilgowen, Co. Wexford.
G1. John Wilson.
G2. Matthew Wilson (later Palliser), of the Great Island, Co. Wexford, Md. 1812, Jane Wilson, d. of Christian Wilson, of Sledagh.
http://www.william1.co.uk/w134.htm
Interesting that Wilson of Wexford has a family shield yet is so hard to look up, these names come of a chart of decendants of William the Conqueror
Plenty on them incl.
http://sources.nli.ie/Search/Results?lookfor=%22+Wilson%2C+Family+of%22&type=Subject&filter[]=geographic_facet%3A%22County+Wexford%22&view=list
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Hi, I am the grandson of Lisle Christian Palliser Wilson. I have a copy of our family shield that I see mentioned here. My grandfather had it commissioned at the College of arms (Lancashire I think) , I am the custodian of it now. Happy to scan and post it here if you like...
Christian D. R. Wilson
Sydney NSW
Australia (born in Tasmania Australia)E1. Katherine Palliser, of the Great Island, Co. Wexford, Md., John Wilson, of Scarr.
F1. Christian Wilson, of Scarr, Md., Elizabeth Redmond, d. of Matthew Redmond, of Kilgowen, Co. Wexford.
G1. John Wilson.
G2. Matthew Wilson (later Palliser), of the Great Island, Co. Wexford, Md. 1812, Jane Wilson, d. of Christian Wilson, of Sledagh.
http://www.william1.co.uk/w134.htm
Interesting that Wilson of Wexford has a family shield yet is so hard to look up, these names come of a chart of decendants of William the Conqueror
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There is a very useful source which I don't believe has been mentioned. That is the book on the clergy of the diocese of Ferns, written by Canon J.B. Leslie. Note - this is the CofI book, there is a somewhat similarly titled book for the Catholic clergy of Ferns. If any of your ancestors were CofI clergy of the diocese - which apparently they were - then a short biography should be included in this book.
An online reference for this book is as follows https://openlibrary.org/books/OL15947270M/Ferns_clergy_and_parishes (https://openlibrary.org/books/OL15947270M/Ferns_clergy_and_parishes)