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Title: Butti family 1796
Post by: Nicola on Sunday 13 April 08 17:59 BST (UK)
I am researching the Butti family from Lake Como, Italy.
Louis came to Scotland, Alexander to Middlesex and Joseph to Somerset.
I have info on Alexander and Joseph but not alot on Louis.
Does anyone have any info on Louis?
Would love to know who the parents of these brothers were and why they came to Britain.
Regards, Nicola
Title: Re: Butti family 1796
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 13 April 08 18:57 BST (UK)
Just wondering if this is Louis's death:

26 September 1868

Louis Joseph Butti, aged 74. Retired Carter and Gilder. 2 Springfield, Leith, Midlothian. Widower of Elizabeth Mitchell (?). Parents - unknown. Informant Hugh Hearne Home, son in law.

He will be on the 1861 census, if it's him  :)

Gadget
Title: Re: Butti family 1796
Post by: Nicola on Sunday 13 April 08 19:38 BST (UK)
Yes, thats him. Informant was Hugh Home.
Nicola
Title: Re: Butti family 1796
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 13 April 08 21:05 BST (UK)
It's a pity about the lack of info on his parents, Nicola  :(

That Home certainly was badly written*!

Can you give details of what you have on his marriage/children. It might help.

Gadget

* see now it was a very big flourish on the second down stroke of the H  ;D

Title: Re: Butti family 1796
Post by: sancti on Sunday 13 April 08 21:24 BST (UK)
Possibly a family member on the 1861 census

1861 BUTTI LEWIS J Male 4 at ST ANDREW EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 
Title: Re: Butti family 1796
Post by: sancti on Sunday 13 April 08 21:50 BST (UK)
A couple of marriages that may be his sons

1860 BUTTI GABRIEL VINCENT married DICKSON JEMIMA at LAUDER /BERWICK

1888 BUTTI LOUIS JOSEPH married MACDERMOTT MARY THERESA at ST ANDREW EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN
Title: Re: Butti family 1796
Post by: sancti on Sunday 13 April 08 21:55 BST (UK)
There are a couple of OPR marriages for a L. Butti

11/11/1822 BUTTI LEWIS married ELSPITH WATERSTON at Canongate  EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN

23/11/1829 BUTTI LEWIS married ELIZABETH MITCHELL OR NOLLI at Leith South EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN
Title: Re: Butti family 1796
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 13 April 08 22:10 BST (UK)
From the death certificate that I put details up earlier for and was confirmed by Nicola,  the 1829 one to Elizabeth Mitchell was correct.

Maybe he married twice and the first wife died. However, the death cert has no mentions of Waterston!

There can't be two can there  :o

gadget
Title: Re: Butti family 1796
Post by: caraid on Thursday 24 April 08 15:09 BST (UK)
Hi Nicola
I have some info on Louis Butti. I do not know who his parents were I'm afraid.
Louis Joseph Butti was first married to Elspeth Waterston, who was residing in Forfar at the time of their marraige proclomation. Elspeth must have died and he went on to marry the Elizabeth Mitchell (my 3rd G Grandaunt) She had been married to John Nolli and had a son John Bartholemew Nollie 1827-1891.
Louis and Elizabeth had 4 children
James Alexander Butti 1831-1897 married to Eleanor Whitehead
Elizabeth Butti 1834-1881 married to Hugh Home
George Butti 1838-1896 married to Eliza Home Eliza and George were siblings
Peter Louis Butti 1847-1932 He was a catholic priest and ended his days at Blairs Collage, Aberdeen.
There is also lots of little Butti children from these marrraiges.
If you want you can mail me at fandganderson AT aol.com (replace AT with @)
Hope this helps somewhat
Fiona
Title: Re: Butti family 1796
Post by: skeldale on Sunday 04 May 08 15:07 BST (UK)
hi Caraid

I am descended from George Butti and Eliza Home - how do you know they were siblings? - what is the proof- would like to know what you found.

Eliza married twice - George was second husband - they narried in Liverpool 1865.

Her first marriage was to a Robert Bach in Edinbugh 1857 - they had a son also called Robert born 1858.
Title: Re: Butti family 1796
Post by: caraid on Sunday 04 May 08 20:03 BST (UK)
Hi Skeldale
I have George Butti & Elizabeth Home married in Liverpool and her 1st husband Robert Bach. Children were George Arbunthot Butti born 1862, Liverpool, Elizabeth 1865 Liverpool, Hugh Home 1869 Glasgow,  Louis Joseph 1873 Glasgow, James 1875 Glasgow.
George Butti Hung himself 5th June 1896 in Glasgow. DC signed by son George who was living in Kirkintilloch
Eliza Home, widow of 1st Edward Bach 2nd George Butti died 25th July 1896 of Pneumonia signed by George Butti Son. Parents were George Home, solicitor dec. & Margaret Home MS Cameron dec.

Elizabeth Butti(sister of George Butti) married Hugh Home (brother of Eliza Home) in 1856 in Edinburgh. His parents on MC were George Home(clerk in chancery office) dec and Jane Cameron Children were John 1858, Louis 1859, George 1860, Phanuel 1862, Archibald 1864, Cameron 1867, Peter 1870, Elizabeth, 1872, Georgina 1874 All children born Edinburgh.
Elizabeth Home died 19th July 1881 in Edinburgh, Hugh Home widower signed DC
Hugh Home (clerk in chancery) died 24th Jan 1888, parent were George Home (clerk in chancery) and Ann Home MS Cameron. J Butti brother in law signed DC

Robert E Bach (1858) was living with Hugh Home & Elizabeth in 1881 at 10 Bakers Place Edinburgh. He was their Nephew and an Apprentice House Painter and Limited Pensioner 91 St Regt
Hope this is of some help and if you need more just ask
Fiona
Title: Re: Butti family 1796
Post by: buttifamily on Sunday 04 May 08 22:50 BST (UK)
Caraid

This me Skeldale - had some registration problem hemce the change of username.

I agree with all you have. Can you tell me more please?
When George hung himself is it on the DC? - or how did you find it?

Incidentally - Eliza's first husband was Robert Bach not Edward and George's wife was Ann Cameron not Margaret.
What other Butti info can you mention?

thanks for all the onfo so far

regards
Title: Re: Butti family 1796
Post by: caraid on Tuesday 06 May 08 15:01 BST (UK)
Hi
According to George's DC his cause of death was Hanging, sudden. On the register of Corrected entries, for the District of Kelvin, Burgh of Glasgow
George Butti, male 58yrs, Housepainter, Married. Died 5th June 1896 in his house 579 Garscube Road, Glasgow. Hanging, Suicidal, certified by D Cowie MD?, Glasgow.

I know Eliza's first husband was Robert Bach, but it had Edward Bach as 1st Husband on her DC(obviously someone got confused)
Georges wife's different names also came of certificates, Eliza's death has Margaret Cameron, and when Hugh Home wed he has his mother as Jane & when Hugh died its Ann, but there is no doubt in my mind that Hugh and Eliza were brother & sister.

A brief outline of what I have on the Family
Louis Joseph Butti (parents unknown on hid DC) married Elizabeth Mitchell
Children
James Alexander Butti(I have his DC and a copy of his will0
Elizabeth Butti (MC & DC)
George Butti (DC & RCE)
Peter Louis Butti ( Catholic Priest) I have his DC and if you google Blairs College, Maryculter, Aberdeen there is a picture of him. Its where he spent his last days.
I have other small snippets of info from the Scotsman archive about Louis Joseph Butti, James Alexander Butti & Monsignor Peter L Butti

Fiona
Title: Re: Butti family 1796
Post by: buttifamily on Tuesday 06 May 08 16:31 BST (UK)
hi Caraid

Pretty much same info that I have found.

Any old photos of any one? Hugh and Eliza were brither and sister.

Where did George live in Kirkintilloch - the one who notified on DC?

THANKS
Title: Re: Butti family 1796
Post by: caraid on Wednesday 07 May 08 13:41 BST (UK)
Hi
Sorry no photo's
On George Butti DC in 1896 Son George's address was Effel Terrace, Kirkintilloch. Son George Died 27th March 1909 in Craiglockart Poorhouse in Edinburgh. He was Single and a Painter. Looks like he had TB. The Assistant Govener signed the DC. The only other family I traced was Hugh Home Butti born 1868 in Edinburgh & died 1869 in Glasgow. George Butti & Eliza Home are transcribed on the 1881 census disks (LDS) as BUTH @ 20 India Place Edinburgh & on the 1891 Census (SP) as BEATTIE @ 15 Church Place in Glasgow.

Fiona
Title: Re: Butti family 1796
Post by: buttifamily on Wednesday 07 May 08 18:06 BST (UK)
thanks Fiona

Where do you fit in - which people are you linked too?
Title: Re: Butti family 1796
Post by: caraid on Wednesday 07 May 08 20:09 BST (UK)
Hi again
I'm actually linked to the Mitchell side, the Elizabeth Mitchell (my 3rd G Grandaunt) who married Louis Joseph Butti ( she was the widow of John Nolli). When I came across the Butti's, the name was just a wee bit unusual for Scotland and I decided research needed to be done.
Elizabeth had a sister, Isabella who married, 1st Fortune Leonardi and after he died she wed Antony Lazzaroni, so they had a penchant for Italians LOL

Fiona
Title: Re: Butti family 1796
Post by: buttifamily on Friday 09 May 08 08:32 BST (UK)
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Title: Re: Butti family 1796
Post by: SEW on Tuesday 10 June 08 02:44 BST (UK)
I'm a descendant of Louis Guiseppe BUTTI and recently spent a weekend in Edinburgh.  We discovered a curbstone outside the address of the family shop (7 Queen Street) with the name BUTTI carved into it.  The shop/house has been stripped inside and turned into open-plan offices.

I've just put our family tree WATSON onto Ancestry.co.uk.

Also very interested in finding out details of L G Butti's arrival in Britain...
Title: Re: Butti family 1796
Post by: caraid on Tuesday 10 June 08 12:36 BST (UK)
Hi
Havn't come across a Louis GUISEPPE Butti, but the Queen St. adress was that of James Alexander Butti. I don't know when James's father Loius Joseph Butti came to Scotland, but in 1824, a company called ZENONE & BUTTI, carvers and gilders was dissolved. This company was owned by John Zenone & Loius Butti.
In March 1861, James Alexander Butti, carver & Gilder of Queen St. was charged with "Exhibiting indecent stereoscopic views for sale". James was eventually dismissed with an admonation.
In Jan 1884, there was an explosion in the shop of James Butti at 7 Queen st. James's son Louis liked to go shooting and was filling his own catridges, when the explosion occured. He was injured and taken to the Royal Infirmary. These articles are out of the Scotsman.
It's nice to know that there is a stone and next time I'm in Edinburgh I will go and see it.

Fiona
Title: Re: Butti family 1796
Post by: SEW on Tuesday 10 June 08 23:35 BST (UK)
Hi Fiona,

Great to hear from you.  We found a couple of wills online but hadn't been through any local papers so it was great to hear a bit more about the Buttis.

I thought Louis Joseph was Luigi Guiseppe.  (Died 26 SEP 1868, South Leith, Midlothian, Scotland.)Does that tie up with what you have?

Sarah  :)

Title: Re: Butti family 1796
Post by: caraid on Wednesday 11 June 08 13:13 BST (UK)
Hi
Just looked back my info. Loius Butti, Glassmaker, Leith Wynd married 1st to Elspeth Waterston(she was residing in Forfar) in 1822.
 Louis Butti, Shopkeeper, Leith married 2nd Elizabeth Mitchell 23 Nov 1829. They were married by Rev James Mckay, Catholic Clergyman.
In 1841 they were residing in Leith and Louis was an Optician
In 1851 they were residing at 2 Springfield, Leith and Loius was a Carver & Gilder
In 1861 still at 2 Springfield again Carver & Gilder. Just says Italy as birthplace.
Elizabeth died in 1867 at 2 Springfield and Loius died in 1868, sameplace, parents unknown
Thats basically all I have on him
Fiona
Title: Re: Butti family 1796
Post by: jc.bloxsidge on Thursday 16 October 08 19:31 BST (UK)
Hi Nicola
I have just discovered your interest in the Butti family.  My great grandfather on my father's side of the family was Alexander Butti and I have a lot of information about the family and am trying to find information about the Italian side in Italy.  I am English.

Would be interested to hear from you

Josie
Title: Re: Butti family 1796
Post by: melness on Saturday 18 October 08 11:53 BST (UK)
HI

I'm interested in Alexander's brother Louis Joseph Butti ( mainly in Scotland). Any information on where when he was born and parents details would be fantastic.

Sent a PM

regards
Title: Re: Butti family 1796
Post by: melness on Saturday 18 October 08 12:01 BST (UK)
Sorry Josie havent sent PM

regards
Title: Re: Butti family 1796
Post by: jc.bloxsidge on Saturday 18 October 08 14:09 BST (UK)
Hi Andy
This is the first time that I have answered anything on this site so I hope that all goes well. The information that I have is as follows
Firstly I have no proof that Alexander and Louis are brothers.  I am busily trying to find their parents in Italy at the moment.  I have been to Edinburgh to the records office, have seen the houses where they lived and have seen the name in the curbstone outside one of the houses.
Louis Joseph Butti b, 1794 Italy Carver and guilder like Alexander
d.26/9/1868 Edinburgh  m. Elizabeth Mitchell formerly Nolli who was born 1804 in Newcastle and died 9/5/1867.  Her husband was John Nolli and they had one son John Bartholomew Nolli b. 1827 d 1891
Louis and Elizabeth had the following children
Monsignor Peter Butti, a Catholic priest 1847 Edinburgh -1932 Aberdeen
Elizabeth b.1834 d.19/7/1881  m Hugh Home 18/9/1856 Edinburgh had 9 children
James Alexander 1831 St Cuthberts Midlothian dc.1897   m Eleanor Whilehead, formerly Goulay 27/4/1854 Edinburgh and had 7 children
George Anthony bc1838 d.5/6/1896 (he hanged himself) m Elizabeth Home formerly Bach 10 or 16/2/1861 Liverpool  she died 25/7/1896 and they had 4 children.

As far as I know this is accurate but please let me know if there is anything wrong.  Hope that this helps.  Josie
Title: Re: Butti family 1796
Post by: melness on Saturday 18 October 08 14:29 BST (UK)
Thanks Josie

If you do a search online you should find "zenone and butti" trading in Edinburgh just before and after 1820.
I live in Scotland and have been past the premises in Queen St many time but never noticed the pavement marking.
My ancestor was Eliza Home - her second husband was George Butti - they married in 18656 but had a son in 1862 when she was still married to her first husband. The first husband died in 1864. What a carry on!!!!
Do you have any family photos of the Butti's?
Title: Re: Butti family 1796
Post by: melness on Saturday 18 October 08 14:31 BST (UK)
Josie

Forgot to ask do you have info on the 4 children had by Eliza and George? - dates marruages deaths etc

Title: Re: Butti family 1796
Post by: jc.bloxsidge on Saturday 18 October 08 15:30 BST (UK)
Do not have a photograph of the Buttis except my grandmother and I think her sister.  There is a portrait of Louis Butti somewhere.

Children were
Louis Joseph 26/2/1873 Glasgow
George Arhuthnot b c1862 d. 27/3/1909 in the Poorhouse in Craiglockhrt  Single
James bc. 1875
Hugh Home b c1868  d.1869

There was a Louis Butti at the Wellington Reformatory Farm School in 1891 who may be the Louis above.
Did not lollow further but I hope that this helps
Title: Re: Butti family 1796
Post by: melness on Saturday 18 October 08 15:39 BST (UK)
HI

There was also a daughter Eliza born Liverpool 1864 see free BMD

The two brothers were at the reform school I remember seeimng something about that.

I wonder where the picture of Louis is? Also a James Alexander Butti was killed in First world war -1918 I think

Eliza and George who both died in 1896 are buried in Sighthill cemetery , Glasgow. I havent been able to track down the children's marriages or deaths.

There are mentions of the Butti family in the Scotsman newspaper. Mostly to do with trade. I think the young boys who ended up in the reformatory school were caught doing something illegal.

Andy
Title: Re: Butti family 1796
Post by: caraid on Saturday 18 October 08 16:16 BST (UK)
Hi Josie
Don't know where in Italy the Butti family came but I can tell you that Elizabeth Mitchell, who was 1st married to John Nollie, then married Louis (Lewis) Butti was born c1805 in Edinburgh. Her parents were John Mitchell (tinsmith) who died between 1851-1855, and Agnes Wilson, who died 12.2.1855.
 John Mitchell was my 4th G Grandfather.
In 1841 Louis Butti was listed as an Optician, then in 1851 he was down as a Carver & Gilder.
Hugh Home signed both Louise & Elizabeth's DC

Fiona
Title: Re: Butti family 1796
Post by: jc.bloxsidge on Saturday 18 October 08 22:53 BST (UK)
Hi fiona

Nice to hear from you.  Thank you very much for the information.  I shall check my information in the morning and amend where necessary.

Josie
Title: Re: Butti family 1796
Post by: jc.bloxsidge on Friday 24 October 08 18:13 BST (UK)
Hi Nicola
Saw that you were researching the Butti Family and I should be interested in finding out if you have found Alexamder's parents in Italy as I am his great grandaughter.  I went to Italy with my husband a couple of years ago but the Santa Maria we visited was the wrong one.  I informed some other people about Louis and know a little about Joseph and Vincent.
Should be pleased to hear from you
Josie
Title: Re: Butti family 1796
Post by: jc.bloxsidge on Wednesday 29 October 08 19:59 GMT (UK)
Hi Nicola

I thought that I would have one last try, in case you did not receive my last 2 emails, to see if you had information about Alexander Butti and Joseph that I do not have.  I expect by now, you have seen the information concerning Louis which I had and which you were looking to find.  If I do not hear I shall assume that I have more information concerning the family than you have.  Family bible entries are very useful.

Josie
Title: Re: Butti family 1796
Post by: Karolee on Friday 30 January 09 12:49 GMT (UK)
Hi Nicola,

Have just joined and noticed your posts on the Butti family.  My gr gr grandad Francis Augustin Durk's 1st marriage was to Maria Butti in Somerset and as far as I can tell she is the daughter of Joseph Butti.  Do you have any info on this?  Was his full name Amantius Joseph?

Although we are directly related to his 2nd wife and not Maria, there has always been a story that my gr gr grandmother was spanish (we are all dark and look slightly spanish) and I think this may be the root of the story and has got mixed up??!!  :)  Doesn't explain our slight "foreign" looks and i'll have to dig deeper into the Durks for that I guess, but still very interested in the connection to the Butti's.

many thanks
Karolee
Title: Re: Butti family 1796
Post by: jc.bloxsidge on Tuesday 03 February 09 10:11 GMT (UK)
Hi Karolee
Your rquest for the Butti information also came to me.  I am the great great grandaughter of Alexander Butti who may be the brother of Joseph.  I have been told that 3 brothers came over from Italy but to prove the connection we need information about the parents.  The Italians will not answer letters or messages on telephones.  Alexander was born in Santa Maria 2/8/1800 near Como.  We have visited one Santa Maria on the Lake but it was the wrong one. There ia another one which we have not visited yet.  Anyway, you probably have the following but thought that I would send it anyway,

Joseph Butti born about 1803 in Foreign parts and ?died dec. 1842 in Taunton. If you want to get the certificate you need to add vol.10 P.326
He married Maria Shattock in Taunton 19/10/20(29) who was born 1806/7 in Taunton and died in Sept. quarter 1886 Taunton vol5c P. 229 if you want cert.
Children:- Josephine bc.1832/3 Somerset and married someone called Kennedy
                Ann bc.1833/4/5 in Taunton  1891 was Lay sister
                Thomas bc.1842 in Taunton
                Serena bc. 1838 Somerset
                Theresa bc 1839  (?June quarter 1838 Taunton Vol 10 P.435)
                Maria bc.1831 Taunton
                Elizabeth aka Eliza bc.1836/7 in Taunton   ? died June quarter 1889 Taunton   
                                                                                      vol. 5c  P.229
They lived 1841 St James Somerset and 186171 St. Mary Magdalen Somerset

Hope this helps  Josie


Title: Re: Butti family 1796
Post by: Karolee on Tuesday 03 February 09 10:41 GMT (UK)
Hi Josie,

Thank you for the info.  I do have most of that and have since recieved a marriage cert for Francis Durk and Maria which states her father was Joseph Butti so that much I have confirmed!  :)
I haven't tried ordering any death certificates yet and wondered if they show place of birth as well??  I have a similar problem with the other side of the family as the census just says "Ireland"....if only they had thought ahead and realised how frustrating the lack of info was going to be!!!!   ???   :)

I can only try and see if there is more birth info on the death certificates....

If I find anymore I'll let you know, but as a direct relative you know far more than I ;D
Title: Re: Butti family 1796
Post by: SEW on Tuesday 14 April 09 14:49 BST (UK)
Hi Josie,

I would love to have details of how you found Alexander Butti's date and place of birth in Italy.

My sister, Vicky, who speaks some Italian, is going to the Lake Como area of Italy in the next couple of months to track down Buttis (we're descended from Alexander's brother, Luigi Giuseppe).  It would be great to have any info on Alexander's dates, etc. before she goes.

Thanks and best wishes,

Sarah
Title: Re: Butti family 1796
Post by: jc.bloxsidge on Wednesday 15 April 09 18:11 BST (UK)
Hi Sarah

I have a family bible entry that gives me the information.  Let me know what you want.  I have a lot of information on Louis in Scotland if that helps and Joseph who I think is the 3rd brother.  There is however a Gabriel as well

Tell your sister that my husband and I visited sante Maria Rezonnica which is on the lake and it is the wrong one.  The receptionist at our hotel got the priest to open his books for us.

There is another Santa Maria at the Como end of the lake and most of the Buttis are up there.  The receptionis contacted a priest at the other church but he did not reply.  We also wrote to various people but received not reply.

My email is (*) which should make it easier for us to communicate.  I shall find the address of the other priest if you will send me your email.

Good to hear from you.  Josie

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Title: Re: Butti family 1796
Post by: govan37 on Thursday 16 April 09 13:05 BST (UK)
hi all

I'm descended through Eliza Home who married George A Butti 1865 Liverpool.
Any indication when Louis Joseph was born in the family bible.
I would like to hear of any info you may have on the "Scottish" Butti's.

regards and thanks

Andy
Title: Re: Butti family 1796
Post by: caraid on Thursday 16 April 09 14:57 BST (UK)
Hi Andy
I do not think anyone can at the moment say for sure where in Italy the Butti's originated. I have quiet a lot of info on the Scottish Butti side.  Just wondering who you are decsended from in the George and Eliza family. Havn't yet gone down the George Home & Margaret Cameron side yet. Just let me know if you want any more info.

Yours
Fiona
Title: Re: Butti family 1796
Post by: govan37 on Saturday 18 April 09 11:28 BST (UK)
Descended via Eliza Home and her first marriage to Robert Bach 1832-1864.

George Home married Ann Cameron - note it is Ann Cameron. The family appear in Edinburgh 1841 census on Free cen. SEarch under Hugh Home - think it is St Cuthberts district.

George dies between 1841 - 1851  Ann died about 1861. I have her certificate from scotlandspeople. The various Home children married and lived in Edinburgh.

Andy

Any old photographs of these folks?
Title: Re: Butti family 1796
Post by: Dear Potto on Tuesday 21 April 09 18:33 BST (UK)
Hello All

I am SEW's sister Vicky and I've been trying to find out more about the Buttis (Luigi Giuseppe and his potential siblings Alexander of London and Giuseppe of Taunton - have I got that right?) before they came to the UK. A kind Dutchman has found out the following for me concerning Donatus Butti and Sons, fine instrument makers of Amsterdam. Donatus Butti arrived in Amsterdam from Milan in 1794. Clearly he is not the father of our three but could possibly be the uncle and possibly the chap with whom our three served their apprenticeships. More investigating is being done.

"According to the Amsterdam baptism records ('doopregisters'), online at https://stadsarchief.amsterdam.nl/archieven/archiefbank/indexen/doopregisters/zoek/index.nl.html

Donato (Donatus) Butti and Helena Maria Barnasconi had seven children (two daughters and five sons):
Carlo Antonio Gaetano (17 December 1794)
Antonius Franciscus Carolus (18 February 1796)
Maria Theresia Elizabeth (27 January 1798)
Maria Marta Helena (10 October 1799)
Albertus Franciscus Faustinus (15 February 1807)
Franciscus Alexander Bernardus (20 August 1808)
Giuseppe Giovanni Pietro (25 June 1810)

I am looking for more information about Donatus and will post as soon as I find anything out...
Title: Re: Butti family 1796
Post by: morella on Thursday 25 March 10 18:53 GMT (UK)
Hello! I've just stumbled on this thread and I was wondering if anyone might be able to help.
I'm a student at the University of Edinburgh. I'm doing a research project on Italian language maintenance among the Scotsitalian community and on its role in shaping the identity of successive generations of Italian immigrants.
If you're a Scotsitalian (no matter whether you speak Italian or not) or have Italian ancestors (no matter how remote they may be) and think you could spare 5 minutes (honestly, it won't take more than that) to fill up a questionnaire I would be very grateful. Please send me a private message and I'l forward the questionnaire to you.
Thanks a lot
Katia
Title: Re: Butti family 1796
Post by: jc.bloxsidge on Monday 29 March 10 19:43 BST (UK)
You have probably found Louis Butti in Edinburgh.  You may or may not know that there is a kerb stone outside the house in which they lived with the Butti name on it.  You may also not know that it is believed that 3 brothers came overt from Italy and they were all artisans.  Louis in Edinburgh , Alexander, my great great grandfather in London and Joseph in Somerset.  There is also a Vincent Butti a weaver in Scotland and his son Vincent.
The only way that we can prove that the three men are brothers is to find their parents.  I know that Alexander was born 2/8/1800 in Santa Maria nr Como Italy.  We visited Santa Maria Rezonica and it was not there but there is a Santa Maria in Lecco but we have not been able to establish if this is where he was born.  If in your work you find the parentage of any of these men I should be glad to know about it.
I know nothing much about Vincent or his son.  A Mr Butti, presumably Louis, is
 mentioned in Gladstone's diary when he was in Edinburgh.  Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Butti family 1796
Post by: ceylon05 on Sunday 15 April 12 10:20 BST (UK)
There is an actual photograph of a couple of Butti's;

Peter Louis Butti and James Alexander Butti in the Scottish Catholic Archives in Edinburgh. You can order copies from the staff at the archive.
Title: Re: Butti family 1796
Post by: ClementsM on Thursday 10 July 14 12:33 BST (UK)
Hi Josie,

If you are interested in discussing the London Butti Family i can be reached at marcusaclements at aol dot com

There could be a connection between the two of us.

I am researching the Butti side of my family and the names i have confirmed in my line at the moment are as follows;

William Alexander Stephen Butti
Emily Butti

Look forward to hearing from you

Marcus
Title: Re: Butti family 1796
Post by: osmposm on Friday 23 December 16 00:13 GMT (UK)
Much of this thread is now very old; but if anyone is still following it, you may be interested to know that portraits of LOUIS JOSEPH BUTTI ("Edinburgh Antiques dealer") and his wife Mary Teresa are coming up at auction in Edinburgh at Lyon & Turnbull on 25th January: http://bit.ly/2hhTlml
Title: Re: Butti family 1796
Post by: irvine 1805 on Tuesday 27 December 16 12:07 GMT (UK)
Very interesting. I am indirectly related to Butti in Edinburgh. I wonder who is selling these?

I won't be bidding. Too much ££ for me!!
Title: Re: Butti family 1796
Post by: scottclarkpainting on Friday 23 June 17 11:10 BST (UK)
Hi.

I have a document handwritten by Peter Butti in 1885 certifying the birth of my great-great-grandmother.

I'm researching my Irish ancestors. My g-g-gm had been born in Pennsylvania and upon her family's return to Dundee they needed the local R.C. church to issue a certificate that could then be countersigned by the factory surgeon to confirm the girl was old enough to go into the mills to work. She was 11 at the time. Peter Butti issued the certificate.

I've put the image of the certificate through image editing software to remove the surgeon's signature, allowing for easier reading of the text.

I always to do a little sideways research on the people that touched the story of my folks along the way as this, I find, gives a much fuller picture of who my family members were, where they went, who they met etc.

For this reason I've found out who Peter Butti was and found this image of him in the Catholic Archives (previously mentioned in this forum thread.)

All the best,

Scott

Certificate:
Father: John Carr
Mother: Elizabeth (Eliza) Dolan
Daughter: Mary Teresa Carr
R.C. Priest issuing certificate: Peter Louis Butti
Lochee Factory Certifying Surgeon: Dr. James Kinnaird Lennox
Title: Re: Butti family 1796
Post by: danbonino on Saturday 19 February 22 18:44 GMT (UK)
Hi again
I'm actually linked to the Mitchell side, the Elizabeth Mitchell (my 3rd G Grandaunt) who married Louis Joseph Butti ( she was the widow of John Nolli). When I came across the Butti's, the name was just a wee bit unusual for Scotland and I decided research needed to be done.
Elizabeth had a sister, Isabella who married, 1st Fortune Leonardi and after he died she wed Antony Lazzaroni, so they had a penchant for Italians LOL

Fiona

Hi Fiona et al

Interesting thread. I have a very tangential
interest as my great x 3 uncle married one Alicia Lazzaroni who was the niece of Anthony Lazzaroni mentoned above.

I believe he came from Lucca and arrived with his brother  nicholas in Liverpool c 1833 and the. travelled to Edinburgh. Nicholas stayed in liverpool and then moved to dublin.


I imagine the Buttis, Nollis and Lazzaronis would have known each other as they all started out in Canongate. Anthony became a figure maker of some local repute. He has a couple of statues in the Royal college of physicians it seems.

Like just about everyone else in this thread he was married twice ! Before Isabell there was Elizabeth Barclay.

If you anyone here has any other info on the Lazzaroni family In Edinburgh I would be v interested

Cheers

Dan
Title: Re: Butti family 1796
Post by: danbonino on Saturday 19 February 22 18:52 GMT (UK)
Isabel mitchell had just one child with her first husband Fortune Leonardi: George b 1844. I’d like to find out what happened to him. When Isabel remarried to Lazzaroni he took on the patters surname and yet by 1851 he was living not with his mother and stepfather but with one of Isabel’s sisters Sarah who was just 21 at the time and I think recently widowed. It seems an odd turn of events. George joined the navy in his teens and then disappeared off the map. No record of him dying at sea so I imagine he maybe settled abroad on his travels....
Title: Re: Butti family 1796
Post by: Dexile on Wednesday 04 May 22 22:58 BST (UK)
Just saw the name "Butti" and it rang a bell with me. I was in Canongate Kirkyard last week taking some general photographs, thought these might be of some interest to those researching Butti/Nolli/Mitchell/Lazzaroni families.

Alan