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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Wigtownshire => Topic started by: terry h on Sunday 13 April 08 18:30 BST (UK)
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Is anyone researching this name. My 4 g grandmother was Sarah Broll who married Andrew Hall in Inch Wigtown 6/2/1823. Sarah's death cert says her parents were John Brawl (coachman)and Janet Stewart (probably Irish). Andrew Hall was born in Ireland Sarah in Leswalt. The only other Broll I can find is a John Broll married Mary McMeiken(various spellings) I think he is Sarahs brother as second daughter is called Janet first son John. Andrew and Sarah lived all their married lives in Castle Kennedy Inch and died there. Is their any other Broll/Brawl etc out there?
Brick Wall time
Thanks Terry
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Hi Terry :)
I saw your comments about your Broll's on the MI thread. I sympathise asI have 3 lines that disappear into the mists of Dumfries & Galloway.
A quick look at the IGI suggests that another variation of the name - Browell - seems to occurs in the North East of England, particularly Northumberland, and long before the Wigtownshire Brolls.
As John was a coachman, I just wondered if you have investigated this possibility.
Regards
Gadget
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SP confirms the family you have found
04/01/1824 BROLL ANN daur of JOHN BROLL and MARGARET MCMECHAN at Kirkcolm /WIGTOWN
19/08/1825 BROLL JOHN son of JOHN BROLL and MARY MCMECKAN at Kirkcolm /WIGTOWN
12/11/1826 BROLL JANET daur of JOHN BROLL and MARY MCMECKAN at Kirkcolm /WIGTOWN
13/08/1828 BROLL MARY daur of JOHN BROLL and MARY MCMECKAN at Kirkcolm /WIGTOWN
08/05/1831 BROLL JOHN son of JOHN BROLL and MARY MCMECKAN at Kirkcolm /WIGTOWN
28/10/1834 BROLL JAMES son of JOHN BROLL and MARY MCMECKAN at Kirkcolm /WIGTOWN
There is also this record
15/12/1837 BROLE ELIZABETH daur of JOHN BROLE and ELIZABETH MARTIN at Leswalt /WIGTOWN
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I notice that John Broal's baptism entry of 12
December February 1800, Kirkcolm lists him as being son of the late John Broal and Jannet Stewart
Sarah appears to have been born circa 1793.
Have you looked at the Kirk Session minutes? There may be mention of mort cloth fees, etc.
Sancti - I'm sure Terry has all those. He's been searching for nearly 30 years ::) ::) ::)
Gadget
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John's baptism was actually 12 February 1800
12/02/1800 BROAL JOHN son of JOHN BROAL and JANNET STEWART at Kirkcolm /WIGTOWN
also this one
18/08/1818 BROAL JOHN son of JANE BROAL at Kirkcolm /WIGTOWN
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OK - - but he was the son of the late John Broal wich is the most interesting thing.
Most of what you're getting from SP is on the IGI by the way :)
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OK - - but he was the son of the late John Broal wich is the most interesting thing.
Most of what you're getting from SP is on the IGI by the way :)
I dont have time to cross check ;D
Time to go and pay the mortgage ;D
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Hi Gadget,
I did look at that possibility, I think I've tried every variation I can think of. In the 1841 census Sarah and Andrew both said they were born Ireland but all subsequent census's she says she was born Leswalt. My gran's cousin who died in her nineties about three years ago said her mother said- 'her mother had lovely Irish linen that had come down the family'. That would have been Sarah's daughter. It could have come from Andrew's family but I don't know. I have got no further with Andrew Hall either but when you don't know where in Ireland they were born it's nigh impossible especially with a name like Hall!
The name Broll/Brawl has intrigued me for years now (it is on the MI for Sarah and Andrew as Brawl). I guess that's what genealogy is all about.
Thanks for having a look for me it is appreciated I'm hoping to get up to Edinburgh soon so will sit with the Leswalt OPR. When I last picked up this thread and was up there I only looked at Inch OPR. So for the moment I'll keep on hunting.
Many thanks again
Terry
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Hi again Terry
The old coach routes between Scotland & Ireland would have gone through there and across D & G and down to Carlisle.
John was bpt. Kirkcolm which is slightly to the north of Stranraer. I've checked the online parish list for 1684 but no mention of the surname in Kirkcolm:
http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~leighann/1684/nkirkcol.txt
or in any of the other parishes.
He's not listed in the Kirkcolm death index:
http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~leighann/parishes/kirkcolm/deaths/intro.html
I presume you've been through the Wigtown Free press listings?
Gadget
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Hi Gadget and Sancti,
I did have the information on John Broll/Brawl etc baptism but it just goes to show you're never too old to learn because I didn't know he was the son of the late John B. Definately need to go through the OPR /Kirk Sessions. Sancti I did have the information on John B/Mary Mc's children but not the John b 1818 to Jane Broll so will also pick that up.
Thank you both very much for taking the time to look at my query and by the way Gadget, he is a she!! Everyone makes the same mistake, it's the spelling. I have put the story of this in my 'tree'. I was the first child and my mum and dad had only thought of a boys name. My dad had said to my mum at the bedside 'well what are we going to call her' He had taken my mum a box of Terry's All Gold and she said I like that name Terry so that's the story of how I got my name!! My dad said my grandad said thank goodness you didn't take her a box of Bassets Liquorice Allsorts. All true!!
Anyway thanks again to you both much appreciated.
Terry (she)
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;D ;D ;D
I like liquorice!
I'm sure the old coach routes are linked in and have you checked out the Northumberland Browells?
Gadget
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Hi Gadget,
Yes I have looked at the Northumberland Browells but couldn't come up with anything. I have just recently picked this line up again I took early retirement in May and now have more time to spend on my tree so today I am going to sit down and refresh myself with the Hall/Brawl Broll family. No I had not been through the Wigtown Free Press I just picked up that one yesterday later on so will do that. John must have died relatively young I am assuming unless Sarah and John were the last children rather than the first but going by the fact that there appears only to be the now 3 Brolls John 1800 Sarah 1796 and Janet giving birth to John in 1818. As this John 1818 has no father named I assume illegitimate, strangely enough Sarah also had an illegitimate daughter called Jane Pettigrew b 1816
Sarah would have been born 1796 aged 75 1871 85 1881 and died 1882 aged 86.
You have given me much to think about am going to do a bit of digging this afternoon especially on the coach routes.
Thanks again
Terry
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Hi Cogan83, :)
If your 6g grandfather is the John Broll/Brawl who married Mary McMechan etc then I guess we will be related. Unfortunately I have found no further information on John Brawl/Broll senior, my information is quite sparse on this family.
I have followed my line from Sarah to present day quite successfully but as I say not beyond her parents. :(
I have 7 children being born to John and Mary McMechan and I think marriages for 3 of them and children from one of the marriages. Which line did you come down.
Terry
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Hi Gogan,
I actually have Mary on my tree as McMeikan but I do remember going through so many different ways to spell it when I looked at this family. I'm sure I found 5/6 different spellings for her.
Children I have are
Annie b 1824 d 4/2/1907
John b 19/8/1825 Kirkcolm d bfr 1831
Janet b 12/11/1826 Kirkcolm
Mary b 13/8/1828 Kirkcolm
John c 8/5/1931 Kirkcolm m Jane McCulloch
James c 28/10/1834 Kirkcolm poss m Barbara McCulloch 25/3/1855
Elizabeth abt 1838
All these children except the first John and Annie are with John and Mary in the 1841 census
My Line
John Broll/Janet Stewart
Andrew Hall/Sarah Broll/Brawl (sister) to your John
Frances Anne Hall/William Burn
Sarah Hall Burn/John Roxburgh
Frances Hall Roxburgh/Thomas Borthwick
Robert Hastie/Isabella Borthwick
Mum and Dad
Me
I see we are on the same generation we both have
John Broll/Janet Stewart as 5g grandparents, I quickly put your line into my tree and it tells me we are 6th cousins :o
Is your line still in Scotland? I've had no luck at all finding any Brolls. I think I did note that there was an Ian Broll Undertaker in Wigtownshire and I'm positive they will be related. I always meant to write. I really want to find out about the origins of the name, is it Irish. I also looked at Browell in Northumberland but couldn't come up with anything.
Do you have any ideas on this???
Terry
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Hi Cogan83
Thought you might like to see a photo of Frances Anne Hall daughter of Andrew Hall and Sarah Broll b 22/4/1824 Inch Wigtownshire. She was a niece to your John and Mary McMeckan and therefore your 1st cousin 5 times removed and my 3g grandmother.
I have photos of some of Frances's children and grandchildren and also her husband
I'll remove this once you have seen it so that it is not taking up space on the board.
Terry
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Hello Terry, I have a very strong link to your Brolls. my GGreatgrandmother was Jane McCulloch Brolls 1891, daughter of Jane Brolls 1869, and she was the the daughter of John Brolls 1831, and he is the son of John Brolls 1804 and Mary McMicking.
Jane McCulloch married a John Ambrose in 1912 in Whithorn.
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Hi t'bob
I did see your message last night just as I was shutting down. Luckily I noted your email address as I guessed the mods would remove it. I will try and get time to email you later this evening, if not I'll definately get one off to you tomorrow.
Terry
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Hiya my mum came across your message today while looking up her name which is Catherine brawls. she noticed that you were looking for a Sarah broll born about 1795 in leswalt. she married Andrew hall. the john broll you are looking for is her brother which is my mums 4th great granddad. you might already have all your information as it was some time ago but my came across this today and she has her family tree.
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Looking for a Margaret Broll, Brole, Brodlie, Brodley. She married John Montgomery John Montgomary at Leswalt 10 May 1798 under Margaret Brodley. Went on to have children: William 1799, Robert 1802, James 1803, John 1805, Hugh 1807, Rosina 1811. Baptisms have her name as Margaret Brole then Briadly etc etc.
Any help or thoughts would be appreciated. Many thanks Neil
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Hi Terry,
My name is Sharyn and I am the great, great granddaughter of John Broll and Jane Mcculloch. My grand mother was Agnes Helen Broll daughter of James Broll and Margaret Potts.
I live in Australia and I am trying to find details on my aunt Lilian Isabel Broll, younger sister to Agnes. Could you please give me some hints where to look. I have been on Scotlands People gaining information and birth certificate on my grand mother but I cannot find anything of Lilian except one census when she was 3.
I would appreciate any information you could give me and if there is anything you wish to know about Agnes, Jack (John) and Lilian Broll in Perth Western Australia, Australia please don't hesitate to ask.
kind regards
Sharyn
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Hi Sharyn,
Lillie Isabella Broll(s) was born 26/3/1893, Sorbie, Wigtown. Father James Brolls, mother Margaret Potts. I can send you a copy of the birth cert if you want. PM me with your email address and I'll get it off to you.
Hope this helps. :)
Best Wishes
Terry