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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Huntingdonshire => Topic started by: Ron61 on Thursday 17 April 08 21:05 BST (UK)
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Hello, my ggg grandmother was Sarah BULL, who married John GOODWIN in 1817. She was born in St. Neots about 1791 but I have no further information about her.
I am charting a James BULL, born about 1807 in St. Neots, who married Ann GOSS, also of St. Neots, in 1828. They had ten children between 1828 and 1852, all born in St. Neots, one of whom, Robert, emigrated to Australia with his family in 1850.
I am trying to tie in James to my Sarah.
Can anyone help with information on Sarah or James and his family please?
Thankyou and regards
Ron Goodwin, Chorley, Lancashire.
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Hi Ron,
Welcome to RC
Have you got Sarah in 1851 in Godmanchester Huntingdonshire
HO107/ 1748/ 615/ 2
Sarah Goodwin head age 60 b St Neots, widow, pauper
John Goodwin son age 26 b Great Paxton Huntingdonshire occ cordwainer
Address 5 St Anns Lane
Sue
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Also found a possible death for her.
Sarah Goodwin Apr-May-Jun 1870 age 79 St Ives, Cambridgeshire, Huntingdonshire
Vol 3b Page 184
Sue
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Yes, thank you Sue. I have all the census details right from 1841 onwards, but it's her birth, parents, siblings that I have no information at all on. Thank you for the possible death, I haven't checked that yet.
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Hi Ron,
Is your reference to St Neots the town or registration district?
I have a lot on Little Staughton Bulls which is in the St Neots registration district.
But I don't have your man in 1807
Spark
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Thank you Spark. No, my Bulls come from the town of St. Neots.
Regards
Ron
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Until relatively recently St Neots was difficult to research unless you could get to Huntingdon Records Office. Burials are on the NBI, marriages are on Hunts Marriage Index, but you had to go to Huntingdon for baptisms. But now at least there is a baptism transcript available on fiche from Hunts FHS
David
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Thank you for that David. I've just obtained a set of the St. Neots Baptism fiche and now have some of the answers. It now looks like Sarah was the fourth of eight children born to Robert BULL and Elizabeth, and was baptised in 1799, a little later than I expected but I was basing my estimate on her age [60] given in the 1851 census. It looks like she died before the 1861 census and so I don't really know her exact age. I can now tie her in with James, who was the eighth of the eight children, and he was baptised in 1811 [aged 6 weeks]. Unfortunately there is no Robert BULL baptism in St. Neots, and, more disappointingly, there is no marriage for Robert BULL and Elizabeth in the Hunts Marriage Index 1754-1837 Surname B. So, for now, I can get no further back.
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If you walked over the bridge across the River Ouse from St Neots, Hunts you were in Eaton Socon, Beds.
On the IGI (extracted so reliable) there's a Robert Bull married Elizabeth Trawley on "about" 8 Oct 1793 at Eaton Socon. The date would fit with Sarah being the fourth child in 1799, but I agree that her census ages are a bit disconcerting as both 1841 and 1851 would put her birth at 1790/1. Does the 1817 marriage entry give any clue as to age eg with consent of parents, or even Sarah's age as she appears to have been under 21?
Might be interesting asking for a look up on the Beds board to see what Robert's parish of residence was shown as in the transcript of the 1793 marriage.
David
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That's interesting David, I didn't realize the proximity. Unfortunately, there are many BULLs in Eaton Socon as well. I have asked though. Robert and Elizabeth's first child was baptised 31st August 1794, so that would fit in with the 1793 marriage.
Regarding Sarah, all I have on the marriage is the date, place and witnesses. [Yes you've guessed it - both BULLs]. It is odd though that in the 1841 census she was listed as a rounded down 50, and in 1851 an exact 60. Perhaps she herself was unsure of her age.
Ron
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Just received confirmation for Robert BULL's marriage to Elizabeth TRAWLEY. Robert was a bachelor from St. Neots, and Elizabeth was a spinster from Eaton Socon. So where is his baptism!
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Hi
I am researching the BULL family of Boxworth and have a Sarah Bull bap 8 Oct 1789, daur of James Bull.
I assume you have ruled her out?
Barbara
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She gave her birthplace as Hunts in 1841 and as St Neots, Hunts in 1851, so Boxworth Cambs doesn't look too promising. But the birth of 1789 is a bit closer than the 1799 that's been found to date.
If this were my family I'd rule her out, but it's Ron's call
David
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Thank you Barbara, the James, Sarah and 1789 is tempting, but i'm afraid Boxworth rules it out.
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I have Bulls in Godmanchester too
Bob
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Interesting Bob. I'm trying to tie in St. Neots BULLS with Godmanchester BULLs.
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I have just obtained a copy of the death certificate for my ggg grandmother Sarah GOODWIN, nee BULL, and she was indeed born about 1791, as her age at death on 31st January 1853 is given as 62 years. Cause of death "Debility certified". And so it does put into question the Sarah BULL baptised in 1799, as her parents were apparantly married in 1793, with children being baptised from 1794 onwards. But there is no Sarah BULL born/baptised in 1791 in the St. Neots parish registers! Trying isn't it. All I need is a little tie-in with that family of BULLs in St. Neots.
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Belatedly for Bob [Stonechat]. With regard to your BULLS in Godmanchester. Do you know anything about the two BULL children [Sarah 11 and William 10] who, on the day of the 1841 census of Godmanchester, were at the house of an Eliza MASON, 65 pauper, and her son James, 25 bricklayer?
As you know, I am trying to tie some BULLs to my GOODWINs, and worthy of note is that one of the sons of John GOODWIN and Sarah BULL, himself a John, later married a Charlotte MASON of Godmanchester in 1853.
Very tentative I know, but we have to explore every avenue don't we.
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My Bull family is pretty much the same as it has been for some time. There has been no progress in taking any side branches forward or taking my ancestors back further.
My gt gt gt grandmother, Jane Bull b 1794 in Godmanchester married Staffurth Clarke in 1819 in Warboys. I have found no siblings of Jane. Her parents were Joseph Bull and Sarah Fisher, who married 1779 in Godmanchester.
Joseph was b 1754 to William Bull and Jane Evins , they married 1744 in Godmanchester. Joseph had at least two siblings, John and George. Maybe other Bulls in Godmanchester could be descendants of these?
Taking these further back will have to wait until I can make another visit to the Hunts RO, maybe I can make another visit in May.
Bob
Bob
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Thank you Bob, never easy is it.
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Hoping this finds Ron or helps another searcher
My ex-wife is descended from Robert and Elizabeth through Robert b1802 . Robert1802 son William emigrated to Australia in the 1850s.
William/Mary Callaghan
George/Sarah Thompson
Frederick/Lily Biglands
Wifes grandparents (both passed)
Wifes father