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Are the surnames Dulhanty, Delhanty, Delahanty,Delahunty and vars., Irish surnames?
I am tracing some of my BARTLEY maternal [mostly Irish ] forebears. This particular group with the above variations of the surname go back to the early 19th century in England. Then I lose them
Looking at various indexes with these surnames lead me to various locations in Ireland.
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Yes, they can be Irish surnames. If you do a search for 'delahunty' and 'ireland' into LDS site lots of entries will come up. If you are looking for a family in England you could check earliest census records you can find to see if any of them are listed as born in Ireland.
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Yes
I had assumed that.
GGGF Michael b c 1841 Manchester has his name spelled 7 different ways in 4 census' and 3 certs, and he used 2 different forenames!!
Confusing and frustrating when you contact a distant 'cousin' who you know is related and they insist that you cannot be, because your spelling of the surname is different.
I assumed they were probably of Irish descent, as the rest of them[my mother's side] are, a case of Irish marrying Irish and them all living in an 'Irish' district of Manchester.
I will plod on with my Bartleys [Belfast], Whelans [Larne], Gallaghers [Dublin] and Bells [Dublin] amongst others and try and progress my maternal tree beyond c1835.
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How dd you get on tracing past Michael Dulhanty b c 1841according to 1881 census, although marriage cert says 1836. I cant find any record of his birth or any record on censuses except 1881 & 1891 (where place of birth is stated as manchester)...we're descended from his son Owen.
I've managed to get back further with the ther branches of the famiy but this sides been a mystery.....
How can someone not be on censuses?...you say he used 2 dfferent forenames????
Any help gratefully received :)
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This surname has possibly got roots in the Anglo-Norman French settlers of Ireland. I knew a person here in Liverpool some years ago with this surname it was spelt Delahunty.
C
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England/Wales census;
1861;
Denis Dulhanty; 26, Ireland, lodger, Labourer Iron works
7, Wesby Place, Stockton Yarm, Middlesborough Durham.
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Jack
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I went on the chatterbox on here and someone very kindly found my missing link....I knew that Michael Dulhanty b. 1841 in Manchester according to censuses and from his marriage cert I'd established that his father was James Dulhanty, Shoemaker. Someone found James Delanty, Shoemaker, with son Michael on 1851 census for Manchester. This states that James his wife and 6 of their children born 1831-1842 were born in Ireland (sadly no area listed) and that the 7th child was born in Manchester in 1850/51. This meant that Michael had falsely given Manchester as place of birth on later documents.
I was pleased to finally find the link to Ireland although I dont hold much hope of finding where they were from etc.
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Had a look at the Eng/Wales census from 1841-1911 for Bartley, and most just give Ireland as home, but the 'others' read something like this,
Leitrim-16
Dublin-15
Sligo-7
Cavan-5
Tyrone-2
Cork-3
Monaghan-3
Donegal-1
Kildare-3
Mayo-1
Limerick-2
Roscommon-2
Wexford-2
Longford-1
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Jack
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This surname has possibly got roots in the Anglo-Norman French settlers of Ireland. I knew a person here in Liverpool some years ago with this surname it was spelt Delahunty.
C
Delahunty is not Norman at all despite its appearance in English but Gaelic from Ó Dulchaointigh. It originates in Co Laois formerly called Queens County.
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Thanks for that scunsan.Some people seem to jump to the conclusion that any name beginning with dela is of French or Norman ancestry.Some time ago I came across someone who insisted despite all the facts that their Delaney family from Laois,which is of course O Dubhshlaine was from the French Delaunay
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This surname has possibly got roots in the Anglo-Norman French settlers of Ireland. I knew a person here in Liverpool some years ago with this surname it was spelt Delahunty.
C
Delahunty is not Norman at all despite its appearance in English but Gaelic from Ó Dulchaointigh. It originates in Co Laois formerly called Queens County.
I did say possibly and it's not a bad call considering the Anglo-Norman French influences on Ireland.
C
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Fitzpatrick is another one that catches people out. They were really Mac Giolla Pádraigs (Gilpatrick) and just adopted the Fitz to look Norman. The Fitzgeralds on the other hand went totally native and became Mac Gearailts.
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I'm a grandson of a Mac Giolla. Not from my Irish lot but from my Manx lot:-
"MYLCHREEST and MYLECHREEST, contracted from MacGilchreest, a corruption of MacGiolla Chriosod, the son of Christ's servant.
Giolla, especially among the ancients, signified a youth, but now generally a servant, and hence it happened that families who were devoted to certain saints, took care to call their sons after them, prefixing the word Giolla, intimating that they were to be the servants or devotees of those saints.
Shortly after the introduction of Christianity, we meet many names of men formed by prefixing the word Giolla to the names of the celebrated saints of the first age of the Irish Church, as GIOLLA-AILBHE, GIOLLA-PHATRAIG, GIOLLA CHIASAIN . . .
And it will be found that there were very few saints of celebrity, from whose names those of men were not formed by the prefixing of Giolla . . .
This word was not only prefixed to the names of saints, but also to the name of God, Christ, the Trinity, the Virgin Mary, Some of the later forms of this name commencing with Mall, Maul, Molle, and Molly, would suggest a derivation from Maol, Mael, or Moel, which 'was anciently prefixed, like Giolla, to the names of saints, to form proper names of men, as MAOLCOLAIM, Maol-Seacnaill, which mean the servant or devotee of the Saints Columb and Secundinus. The word Mael means bald, shorn, or tonsured.
In the Isle of Mann, however, the earlier form is invariably MacGil, so it is probable that most of our Mylchreests are derived from MacGiolla. This name, and all those commencing with 'Myl' are purely Manx."
C
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Maol comes from the fact that the Celtic tonsure of a priest or devotee was to shave the head forward from above the ears. The Roman tonsure which came later was to tie a ribbon around the head at ear level and shave beneath it( the monks tonsure most people are familiar with).The name Ryan was originally Ó Maoilriain (Mulryan) although it is now called Ó Riain which is incorrect. Mulhall came from Ó Maolfhabhail The devotee of Fabhal.The Celtic priests had families just like the Eastern Orthodox and Coptics with whom they had a lot in common. Either these Maol/Mul families descended from clergy or people who had a strong devotion to these saints or just people named after the saints.