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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: livia on Monday 05 May 08 11:36 BST (UK)
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I have traced one branch of my father's family back to John Snell and Sarah Elizabeth Miller of Mount Barker South Australia who (an old aunt has told me) had a very large family. I have found records for 8 children born to them between 1856 and 1876 so this seems to be correct. The aunt also told me that a daughter Sarah (one I found, born 8/8/1858) raised her younger siblings after her mother or both parents died. She married a man whose last name was Train and lived in Edgeworth Street Prospect South Australia. She was known in the neighbourhood as 'Mother Train'. I have not been able to find John Snell or Sarah Elizabeth Miller in shipping records, but would love to know when they arrived in South Australia, where they were from and if or when they married. I would be most grateful if anyone could provide any information or tell me where I should look.
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They married in South Australia, father's not recorded.
SNELL, John, age 22
MILLER, Sarah Elisabeth, age 18
marital status of both: N
married 1856-03-26
Place: Res of Rev J Gardner [Adelaide]
District: Ade Book/Page: 25/180
James Hay TRAIN, aged 38, widower, father James Train
Sarah Elizabeth SNELL, aged 26, single, father John Snell
Date: 1884-05-28
Place: Res of John Snell Green Plains
District: Dal Book/Page: 139/816
:) C
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I am not sure about that story of one or both of the parents passing away whilst the children were young - John does not appear to pass away until 1914, and his marital status is married. No death for Sarah up to 1915.
This is the only death of the right age.
John SNELL died 1914-03-20, aged 80
Status: M Relative not recorded
Residence & Death place: Kooringa
District Code: Bur Book: 382 Page: 406
ChristineR.
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A couple of children where mum is not recorded with her full name. Last child recorded in 1881.
Jessy Ann - 14 Aug 1866 - Mount Barker Springs - mum Elizabeth Miller
Clara Alice - 14 Dec 1870 - ditto - ditto
Walter James Valentine - 17/10/1877 - Cocoanut
Frank Percival - 24/07/1879 - Cocoanut
Charley Gilbert - 11/05/1881 - Greens Plains East.
:)
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John Snell
B: 1834 = Grey, South Australia, Australia
Marriage: 26 NOV 1856 = Adelaide, South Australia, Australia
Sarah Elizabeth Miller
B: 1836 = Grey, South Australia, Australia
Found: 14 Children to this people. Will pm them .
John Snell
Died:23 Jan 1863
Place:Mount Barker Spring.
Age: 76y Born: 1787
Relative: John Snell (Son)
Book/Page: 16/16.
Ann Snell
died:28 May 1870
Age 77 Born:1793
Status: W
Relative: John Snell (DH)
Place: Mount Barker Spring
Book/Page:38/364
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Hello there
just adding to what others have allready said here
John Snell and Sarah Elizabeth Miller had 15 children from 1852 to 1881
Sarah the daughter being born in 1858
by the time the last child was born she was allready 23 .
In 1915 when Frank Percival Snell (a son) enlists in Queensland , he lists his father John Snell as nok. you will see a letter to the father at Franklin Harbour in 1916
referrring to the death found by Christine R
John SNELL died 1914-03-20, aged 80
Status: M Relative not recorded
Residence & Death place: Kooringa
District Code: Bur Book: 382 Page: 406
This might be another John Snell who appears having children at the same time with an Elizabeth Ann Currow.
it does seem possible that the Father John Snell died later than 1914, his death may be on the next lot of index's
regards Jenn
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Hi,
Yes, I think the 1914 John Snell death is not your man.
At Burra Cemetery.
Snell, John. 22/3/1914. aged 80. Grave 1936
Lease name Jane Snell
With
Snell, Jane died 14/7/1902. Last residence Kooringa. Grave 1936.
A married couple I would say.
Sue
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Hi,
Here are some bits about the Trains.
The family seems to have remained in the Green Plains area where Sarah Elizabeth and James were married.
Others may find more children, but 2 sons I came across were in ww1.
Willie Collin was an Orchardist and enlisred at 21 in 1916. His mother is Next of Kin.
also Stanley Norman a blacksmith aged 22 in 1915. His mother also is NOK. Her address at Paskeville is given. Stanley was a POW in Germany.
There are some Train burials at Green Plains including a mystifying James Hay Train whose burial date is given as 28/12/1806!!
[If you were interested, I think an enquiry to the cemetery would clarify that.]
As Sarah is Nok to the men,we may think James had died by that date.
http://www.coppercoast.sa.gov.au
Sue
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Here is the names of all the children…….and not a set of twins amongst them
Born to John Snell and Sarah Elizabeth Miller.
John born 27/9/1856 at Mount Bark Creek 9/119
Henry born 25/8/1857 at Mount Bark Creek 12/339
Sarah Elizabeth born 8/8/1858 at Mount Barker Creek 14/237
Alfred born 20/1/0/1860 at Mount Gambier 22/142
Mary Ann born 14/2/1862 at Mount Barker 24/69
Barbara born 1/8/1861 at Mount Barker Springs 29/229
John Herbert born 12/7/1864 at Mount Barker Springs 32/116
Jessy Ann born 14/8/1866 at Mount Barker Springs 45/370
Henry Albert born 3/11/1867 at Mount Barker Springs 58/531
Clara Alice born 14/12/1870 at Mount Barker Springs 90/1/19
Isabella born 28/6/1872 at Green Plains 111/50
Euphemia born 24/7/1874 at Green Plains 140/163
Walter James Valentine born 17/10/1877 at Cocoanut 191/494
Frank Percival born 24/7/1879 at Cocoa Nut 226/377
Charley Gilbert born 11/5/1881 born at Green Plains East
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This looks like it could be John Snell's death....aged 84, married and residing in Adelaide, died 9th June, 1918 at Adelaide.
Ref = Ade H 419/184
No relative listed.
.....dee
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I cannot find Sarah Elizabeth Snell's death on either index.......even searching just for Sarah Elizabeth.....
There is no entry in BISA for this family either......
......dee
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Now I don't know if this is relevant or not, but seeing as Bob posted about a John and Ann Snell, with son John Snell.......
A John and Ann Snell arrived with 3 children on the 30th August 1845 from Hobart on the TIMBO.
Source of the information is given as a newspaper Passenger list/Deaths or Obituaries.....
I found this at
http://www.familyhistorysa.info/
......dee
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This is wonderful - thank you all for your very helpful responses - so many leads to follow up. I have found a photo of James Hay Train's headstone at the Green Fields Cemetery web page
James H Train
The beloved husband of Sarah Train
Died 28th Decr 1906
Aged 61 years
The entry on the Greens Plains cemetery site giving his death date as 28/121806 must be a typo!
Livia
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I am wondering which site you are actually looking at as there are three sites listed on
http://www.ozgenonline.com/aust_cemeteries/sa/coppercoast/greensplains.htm
This data is from
http://www.angelfire.com/tx/julieshouse/greenplns.txt
TRAIN, James H
Death Date 26/12/1906
Age 61yrs
Details - husband of Sarah
He is buried in a grave adjacent to my OH's SKIPWORTH ancestors.
http://www.coppercoast.sa.gov.au/webdata/resources/files/Greens_Plains_Cemetery_map.JPG
I have visited Greens Plains Cemetery on a number of
occasions.
Cheers
Cando
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I found the photo of James Train's headstone at
http://www.southaustralianhistory.com.au/greensplains2.htm
:)
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I can now see where you received the incorrect burial data - the Copper Coast Burial Index for Greens Plains.
If you would like a photo of the complete headstone I suggest you contact the following
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ausvsac/Green_Plains_West.htm
There is an email address to request a free photo - excellent photography from lovely people ;D ;D
Cheers
cando
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Well
I just typed out the death date as it was listed on the register in my response regarding his burial.
So, the mistake is , as you say, a typographical error.
Sue
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Sue I often find errors in the Council databases...I guess it may be difficult at times transcribing from old handwritten burial registers.
Cheers
Cando
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Hi, Livia. And Others.
Jeenie's OH here. Jeeni's gone to bed.
John Snell and Sarah Elizabeth nee Miller are Jeenie's ancestors too.
Not signing on that much any more, your posting has been mist until now.
John Snell and Sarah Elizabeth nee Miller are Jeenie's ancestors too, and have several pages of their descendaents, and ancestors, and can answer most questions, re lineage. Unfortunately, for technical reasons, can't print out the most up to date, only photocopy from printout last May 06. Perhaps you can pm Jeenie.
But your Volunteer helpers have provided info also that Jeenie does not have, and it is a happy circumstance. (As an aside, pls refer to http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=290688.new;topicseen#new
.....dee has picked up that there are actually 2 x John Snell who have the same year of birth, the 1918 death is correct, as she says. (refer prev para)
I wouldn't necessarily say that eg John Train's DoD as the 28th is necessarily a typing error. Another ancestor Samuel Pearce' DoB is recorded in many places as 3 Nov 1824 (ie, obviously originally from his Tombstone, and carried on), but I have found his Baptism in 3 places in England as 3 Nov 1822, and looking closely at the Headstone, in Greens Plains Cemetary, it may be read as 1821! - which last matches his age on the 1841 census! Also, Samuel's father is recorded on IGI as Andrew, when this should be Alexander!
Also after much searching, and after many many months, and using many wild cards, and variations, and rechecking BISA etc, trying much lateral thinking, we eventaully found mother Sarah Elizabeth's death of 23 May 1881 recorded under Saull! Jeenie has the Death Certificate. (John's too, and etc, etc.)
It is noted that her mother Ann's 28 May 1870 Death Certificate says age 77, (which possibly means 77th year), so, if correct, she was born in 1792 or 3, or 1794 - which "matches" the range from the 1841 census. These details were provided by the daughter-in-Law, not the son [John] (although there was probably no family difficulties (?) because they had 16 children from 1857 [another John], regularly, ranging from every 11 months to start until 21 months in 1881, when she died, of puerperal fever.)
For us both, the Train family is unusual, inasmuch neither of us usually records more than the immediate family (usually just parents) of one who is not a blood relative, but marries one (ie, James Hay Train is not), but he arrived with his sister Mary and parents James and Agnes on the Epaminondas in 1852. Mary subsequently married George Clifton whose daughter Agnes married Arthur Elliott Pearce, another blood relative of Jeenie's.
We both started investigating each our own family trees (mine are basically European and a couple of Irish, but Jeenie's are or were all UK, but both with numerous generations in SA), many many years ago, before internet, and well before computerized SA BDM records, in order to see who we are related to.
It used to be said that everyone in SA was related in one way or another, and RootsChat seems to be proving it. Maybe as a futher suggestion, after reading the next postings I am going to put on before I eventually bed myself, perhaps you might like to pm Cando, and maybe .....dee also.
It is obvious that you have all put in considerable work to help Livia, so I was trying to complete, coming up 4 am, and post this before you all start again in the morning.
JOH.
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In 1841 John SNELL, Copper Miner, and his wife Ann and 3 of their children Elizabeth, Susan, and John, and their grandson Edwin Saunders SNELL, were living in Bodmin Cornwall.
According to records in the State Library, John SNELL and his wife and these 3 children emigrated to Tasmania on the Sir Charles Napier in 1843, and then to South Australia in 1845 on the Schooner Timbo, arriving 30 Aug.
John SNELL the son 22 married Sarah Elizabeth MILLER 18 from the Orkney Islands on 26 Mar 1856 in the Residence of the Revd John GARDNER Rundle St according to the Rites of the Free Presbyterian Church.
The SNELL ancestry in England has been determined with much complicated logic after obtaining all relevant, and irrelevant, documentation eg of births, and etc, names, census details, where people lived, and when, with whom, determining the relevant, and/by eliminating the irrelevant.
Farmer John, the father, died age 76 of “Old Age” at Mount Barker Springs 23Jan 1863. His wife Ann died 28 May 1870 age 77 of Bronchitis, also at Mount Barker Springs.
Farmer John the son died age 84 of Morbus Cordis in the Adelaide Hospital 9 Jun 1918 after his wife Sarah Elizabeth died 23 May 1881 age 42 of Puerperal Fever in Greens Plains East.
John and Sarah Elizabeth had 16 children in Mt Barker Creek/Mt Gambier/Mt Barker Springs, then Greens Plains/Cocoa Nut between 1856 and 1881 (including Ada Grace in 1869 who married Alexander Laurence PEARCE 30 Mar 1889 in Thomas Plains).
(It appears that at least 2 more of John and Ann’s children, Eliza Ann and Mary Ann, emigrated and married in South Australia as did their grandson Edwin Saunders SNELL, the son of their daughter Jane.)
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In 1851 Farmer John MILLER and his wife Euphemia were living with their 4 children Sarah, Jane, Barbra, and Robina at Rumbles OKI (Orkney Islands).
John MILLER, Agr Labourer, and his wife Euphemia and the 4 children emigrated on the Charlotte Jane from London & Plymouth 8 Oct 1851, arriving 14 Jan 1852.
We have a copy of their Marriage record from the Orkney Islands (very) north Scotland.
Apparently before their 19 Nov 1841 Marriage Euphemia had been a Straw Platter, living with her parents in Aicres OKI, and her father was a Fisherman. John’s parentage is inconclusive.
You must remember that Scots differed from English in having several forms of Marriage; the formal ceremony in Church was just one form legally accepted. And apparently there were no resident clergy in the Orkney Islands, until infrequent visits.
Farmer John 74 died 17 Jan 1889 of “Senile Decay” at his Residence Lily St Goodwood, and Euphemia died 22 Oct 1865 age 51 of Heart Disease at Macclesfield Springs.
Their daughter Sarah Elizabeth married John SNELL, from Cornwall, 26 Mar 1856.
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Samuel (Isaac ? – the name appearing on one of his children’s birth records) PEARCE emigrated from London via Plymouth 17 Jun 1848 on the Santipore arriving 15 Oct 1848.
He married Elizabeth Sarah CHAPMAN 6 Aug 1851 in St Johns Church Adelaide.
His DOB of 3 Nov 1824 recorded from his Grave is apparently a furphy, and has successfully thrown everybody off the scent. In 1841 he is recorded as being age 20. His Baptism is recorded as 3 Nov 1822, parents Alexander and Honor (sic).
He is recorded in Illogen Cornwall as being a Copper Miner, and a miner at Kapunda before obtaining the Licence to an Hotel in Houghton and becoming a Wine Producer.
He is also recorded as a Contractor, and donated land in Houghton for the building of a Methodist Church.
Samuel and Elizabeth Sarah had 13 children between 1852 and 1873 in Houghton, including Alexander Laurence born 1861 who married Ada Grace SNELL 30 Mar 1889. Arthur Elliott who married Agnes nee Clifton (refer the Train family) was Alexander Laurence' brother.
Farmer Samuel died Sunday 10 Aug 1884 age 60 (?) of Organic Disease of the spleen & kidneys at Thomas Plains, and Elizabeth died of Spasm of the heart or serious Apoplexy 16 Nov 1876 age 45 also at Thomas Plains, and they are buried at Greens Plains.
It appears Samuel’s father Alexander, another Farmer, was living with his wife Honor in Illogen Cornwall in 1851, and with his son (another) Alexander in 1861, so he died between 1861 and 1871, and his wife Honor died between 1851 and 1861.
(Samuel’s nephew (another) Samuel (also) died in a railway accident 3 Jul 1884, in Eng.)
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It is noted that Cando says she has traced Samuel's ancestry back to 1733. You might like to ask her about that, Livia.
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Thank you all. This is a bit overwhelming, much more information than I had expected but I there seems to be enough to answer my questions. I will look at every detail closely over the next week or two and follow up the various suggestions. I am most grateful to everyone for prompt replies and for filling these gaps in our family tree.
Livia
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Although not seemingly adding much to Livia’s overall quest, the following may be thought of interest.
Augustus Frederick Skipworth came out with his wife Susan Johnson from Cornwall on the Baboo in 1840. At least 4 of their children, including Eliza and Daniel, were born in South Australia.
Eliza married Philip Barbary and their daughter Beatrice Barbary married William Henry Pearce, 2nd youngest son of Samuel Pearce.
Daniel married Susan Barbary and their son Alfred Skipworth married Edith Eleanor Pearce, youngest daughter of Samuel Pearce.
So William Henry Pearce and Edith Eleanor Pearce were brother and sister of Alexander Lawrance Pearce and (see above) Arthur Elliott Pearce, 4 of the 13 children of Samuel Isaac Pearce – and their descendants are of course all related.
Although Jeenie is one, these descendants could be considered more remote and obscure to Livia’s overall quest.
It also appears that John Snell and Sarah Elizabeth had one, or two, more children, making the total 17, or 18.
There was Jessie Robina born 4 Jun 1876 at Cocoanut to John Snell and Sarah Elizabeth
and there was a William Sell born to John and Elizabeth 29 Apr 1855 at Para Plains.
But this last couldn’t be right. Besides John and Sarah were not married until Mar 1856 when she was 18.
There is no record if Sarah Elizabeth ever went barefoot.
It is again stressed we only know details of lineage, of relationships, but not personal details of the Snell family in order to help Livia.
JOH.
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Some interesting snippets there, thank you. Another RootsChatter sent me a list of offspring which included Jessie Robina, but the speculation about 'Sell' is interesting. With that many children, perhaps many in the Snell family went barefoot.
Livia
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Jeenie Like you were we are new to this. Computers, not the family tree bit. WE are direct descedants of William Augustus Long. earlier this month we loacated his arrival in Adelaide South Australia on the Moffatt, arriving 19 12 1839. If we are talking about the same W A Long would love to hear from you and provide you with more information.
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Hello Jeenie,
I am starting to research the Snell family (my wifes ancestors) in Australia. Particularly interested in family of Edwin Saunders Snell. I have a quote from Child of the Outback by Lucy Christina that mentions a William W Snell that described Edwin as his Grandson see the attached link -
http://genetracer.net/getperson.php?personID=I296&tree=tree01&sid=a46d3edcaaba3edb6322b019a9f7cad9
The lineage I am tracing is that of John Snell and Sarah Elizabeth Miller and their many children. There was also a menton on Ancestry of a John Buckingham Snell. The same person? This Snell family is certainly hard to pin down previous to their arrival in South Australia.
Any help pointing me in the right direction would be appreciated.
Regards Wayne.
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Hi Wayne
My OH is descended from Samuel Isaac PEARCE but not from his son who married into the SNELL family. Some of the information detailed on a couple of the responses that appear to be totally irrelevant to livia's request.
The information on the link you have posted does not appear to be accurate. Edwin Saunders SNELL appears to be the illegitimate son of Jane SNELL. His baptism record is on IGI [extracted record] and he is on the 1841 census with John SNELL [copper miner] his wife Ann and children Elizabeth and John. There is also the marriage record for John SNELL and Ann BUCKINGHAM on 17 Nov 1814 and a baptism record for eldest dau Jane on 17 Dec 1815. These are extracted parish records. You may like to search for them.
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true
There are also parish records and census records online - have a browse of the Cornwall Board resources.
The SIR CHARLES NAPIER had arrived Tasmania by Nov 1842. The ship's arrival with passengers may be mentioned in a newspaper...you will need to search further.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0cob/
Mention of Immigrants remaining in Quarters in Tasmania as at 14 Dec 1842 - under quarrymen and miners.
SNELL John, wife and 2 children 10 and 6 years. I wonder if Elizabeth b.1828 was already employed.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0co9/
John and family arriving from Tasmania -
http://www.familyhistorysa.info/shipping/passengerlists.html
SNELL J, wife Ann, 3 children arrived in SA 30 Aug 1845 on TIMBO from Hobart
There is William SNELL arriving but no son Edwin.
SNELL William, Mary nee LEAN, Wm Joseph, Sarah Ann arrived in SA 3 Apr1845 on ISABELLA WATSON from London 20 Dec 1844 via Plymouth
William and family were assisted immigrants.
Official passenger lists mainly of immigrants arriving in South Australia under UK assisted passage 1845-86, SA Archives, GRG35/48A
Passenger list
http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/fh/passengerlists/1845IsabellaWatson.htm
You mentined a John Buckingham SNELL - born or baptised 28 Dec 1817 and died 26 Dec 1829.
There is also a mention of a William SNELL and John SNELL at Kanmantoo. Have a search on http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper
I think the information on the link you provided appears to need further research.
Cheers
Cando
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Wayne - 1841 census...I haven't transcribed correctly from my notes....missed Susan....shouldn't do research late at night. ;)
1841 Census HO107/152/2
Living at Plasnewyd, Bodmin, Cornwall
SNELL John 50 years Miner in copper mine born county
SNELL Ann 45 years born county
SNELL Elizabeth 14 years born county
SNELL Susan 10 years born county
SNELL John 7 years born county
SNELL Edwin 4 years born county.
Cheers
Cando
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Wayne another questionable part of the information on the linked website. It wasn't until 1893/4 that copper, lead and zinc were discovered at Roseberry, Tasmania. I'll leave you to draw your own conclusions.
Cheers
Cando
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Sarah Elizabeth Miller , daughter of John Miller and Euphemia Mowat. John Miller and Euphemia owat emigrated to Adelaide on the Charlotte Jane in 1852 along with their four daughters Sarah (13), Jane (8), Barbara (5) and Robina Miller (1). John's Father and Mother, John and Sarah Miller, were also with them. Also John's brother David, his wife Margaret and two children Margaret and George. Also John's brother Robert and his wife Margaret. Also John's brother William and wife Barbara. Only one member of the family remained behind and that was my GGGrandmother Barbara Miller. She was by that time married to William Eunson who did not wish to emigrate.
The parents John Miller Snr was born on the island of Stronsay, Orkney and his wife Sarah Miller (nee Scott) was born on the island of Sanday, Orkney.
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Thank you for that. I was pleased to find out that so many Millers migrated together. I often think of GGGrandmother Sarah Elizabeth leaving her cold and windy Orkney island and coming to the harsh summers of South Australia and repeatedly bearing children until it eventually killed her. She must have had a hard life (and I wonder how she managed snakes, a particular fear of mine). Having at least some family members around would have made it a bit easier. Poor Barbara Miller whose husband did not want to emigrate - she would have missed her family terribly! What a sad final farewell it would have been.
Livia
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Hello
Do you have any more information on the Australian part of the Miller family or descendants of Sarah Elizabeth that you could share? It is only very recently that I have started to look at this branch and only really know about them leaving Orkney. Sarah Elizabeth's parents John Miller and Euphemia married 19/11/1841. By that time Sarah Elizabeth was 3 years old. In the 1841 census she was living with her grandparents John and Sarah Miller at the Hall of Tankerness, St Andrews, Orkney where her grandfather was the farm overseer. Her mother Euphemia Mowat, a straw plaiter, was living with her parents at Aicres, St Andrews, Orkney and there was no mention of her father John Miller at all. It was quite an unusual situation but I have always thought that her father would have been a seaman and away on a long trip. It was not uncommon to be away for a couple of years or so if you were on a whaling boat. Euphemia Mowats relatives lived at Rumbles, St Andrews, Orkney and this became home to Euphemia and John when they married. That house is now nothing more that a pile of stone but all the other addresses remain and are still inhabited.
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Hi - I am the GGgrand-daughter of Sarah Elizabeth Miller through her son Henry Albert born 3 Nov 1867 at Mt Barker South Australia. I had very little of the information you just posted about the family in the Orkneys so am very pleased to have it. I may be able to pass on a bit about the family after their arrival in South Australia. Let me know what you have or need and I will let you have anything which might be useful to you. For what it's worth, I have one photo from great-grandfather Albert's generation, it's of his brother Charley. I am going to hunt for it and post it here. It's the only one I have from that generation.
Livia
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Any information you can give me will be very much appreciated and if you want any more of the relatives in orkney I can supply some.
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Hello
I have just made a small discovery regarding Sarah Elizabeth Miller. I have found a marriage record for John Miller and Elizabeth Sutherland, married in Kirkwall, Orkney in 26/04/1838. I have also discovered that John Miller aged 25 years was living on the same farm as his parents and daughter on the 1841 census, except he was in unmarried accommodation with several other unrelated males. I can find no birth record for Sarah Elizabeth or death record for her mother, Elizabeth.
I previously though that he must have been away at sea but it makes more sense that Elizabeth died and John remarried Euphemia Mowat 19/11/1841, when Sarah Elizabeth was 2 years old.
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That is a new and very interesting piece to fit into the jigsaw, thank you. That means that Euphemia Mowatt is not my ancestor (no French connection then!). I have a copy of Euphemia's death certificate - if you don't have it I can send you a copy but for now details are: date of death 22/10/1865 at Macclesfield Springs of heart disease. She was 57, and her husband's occupation was farmer. I also have a copy of John Miller's death certificate. You may already have this, but on the 1851 census Sarah Miller is12, Euphemia is her mother, their address is Rumbles in the civil parish of St Andrews Orkney, and her place of birth is given as St Ola, Orkney. Other household members are Barbra 5, Jane 7, John 36, Robina 1. I have family information on Sarah's husband John Snell, a bit on the life of their daughter Sarah Elizabeth (born 1858), and some on their son Albert Henry (born 1867). Let me know if you are interested in those strands of the family. I'm still looking for that photo of Charley (Charley's war service record is available online, if that is of interest).
Cheers
Livia
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Hello
I'm certainly interested in all the information you have mentioned since I don't have any of it. The oldest photographs that I have are of two of Barbara Miller and William Eunson's children. William Eunson Jnr who went to live in Edinburgh and my GG Grandmother, Sarah(Eunson) Donaldson. She is seen in the photograph with her family. Back row l to r. William, Isabella, John, Barbara and James Jnr. Front row l to r. Margaret, James Donaldson Snr, Sarah Jnr, Sarah Snr.
Did you know that Barbara Miller and William Eunson had another 3 children. James died aged 37 and he was unmarried. John and David both emigrated to Australia in the second half of the 19th century. I have no information on John but David had 4 daughters (2 at least married in Australia) and his obituary is online.
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I know this thread was a while ago.
John Snell and Ann Buckingham are my GGGG Grandparents. Eliza Ann Snell born 1820. She married John Hill in 1848.
I'm trying to find
1. When Eliza Ann migrated to Aust. Was it with her parents?
2. More info about her siblings
Did Jane migrate to SA. I know her son,Edwin Saunders did. If so did she marry?
John Buckingham b: 1817 d: 1829
Eliza Ann married John Hill. Died 1906 .Moonta
Mary Ann.Born 1824. Married! Children! Died!
Elizabeth .Born 1826. m: 1847 to William Harper .8 chn. Died!
Susan .Born 1829. m: ! chn. ! d: !
Edwin b:1832 d: 1833
John b:1834. m: Sarah Miller. most info I have for them is from this thread.
Hope someone can help
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Cornwall records have a marriage in 1841 for Jane SNELL of Bodmin, daughter of John SNELL to George TIPPETT.
This couple also lived at Mount Barker Springs when one child named William Henry TIPPET was born 19.5.1860. MtB/19/125
Jane TIPPETT died 30 Jan 1898, age recorded as 82y. Ade/249/181
George TIPPETT died 30 Dec 1897, age recorded as 77y. Ade 248/320
Essie
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This TIPPETT family arrived as assisted passengers in 1859.
http://143.216.93.27/archivessrsa/t1tbmain.asp
59/3 is the ship James Jardine.
Seven baptisms were recorded in Cornwall but only five children emigrated with their parents.
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/?dbname=baptisms
It appears passenger lists have the mother and six children.
http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/jamesjardine1859.shtml
Also this report in TROVE.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/49899497
Essie
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Thank you Essie. I looked on the OPC site and found the marriage and baptism of the children of Jane Tippett. Did George come out earlier than the family?
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I have found Mary Ann Snell marrying Josiah Thomas in 1850
Elizabeth marrying William Harper in 1847. Susan marrying Samuel Baker in 1848. Trying to confirm that I have the correct people :)
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Hi
Early marriage records do not name the father. However, looking at where the marriages occurred and where the siblings later lived usually is a clue to family connections.
Essie
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Thank you Essie. I looked on the OPC site and found the marriage and baptism of the children of Jane Tippett. Did George come out earlier than the family?
I have not found George Tippett on a passenger list. Perhaps he paid for his passage and his family qualified for assisted passage?
Essie
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Thank you for your help. I believe I have the correct Elizabeth.
From this thread ,I believe it said Susan was married twice. Still searching to find some hints that I have the correct MaryAnn and Susan. I found the info on http://www.familyhistorysa.org//colonists.html. The dates seem to match.
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Place names recorded in various BMD records were Mt Barker Springs and Macclesfield for most of the SNELL family except Susan. However, Susan's first husband had a business and farm at Mt Barker Springs, and she arrived via TAS with her parents in 1845.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/165645421
Mary Ann and Josiah THOMAS married at Macclesfield and lived around that area before going to Moonta. I did not find a baptism for Mary Ann, nor is she named in this census with this SNELL family.
1841 Census HO107/152/2
Living at Plasnewyd, Bodmin, Cornwall
SNELL John 50 years Miner in copper mine born county
SNELL Ann 45 years born county
SNELL Elizabeth 14 years born county
SNELL Susan 10 years born county
SNELL John 7 years born county
SNELL Edwin 4 years born county.
Cheers
Cando
Essie
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Hi
I have finally found an obituary for Mary Ann THOMAS that says she left England in 1842 and went to TAS with her parents and then to SA.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/page/23968354
Essie
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Children of John Snell 1787- 1863 and Ann Buckingham 1793 -1870
Jane Snell 17 sep 1815 Cornwall died 30 jan 1898
Married in Bodmin 6 nov 1841 to George Tippett 1820 died 30 dec 1897
John Buckingham SNELL born 1817 died 1829
Eliza Ann SNELL b 10 Apr 1820 Tavistock Devon died 6 oct 1906 Moonta, South Australia
married John Hill b 22 Jun 1822 Sithney, Cornwall died 18 Jan 1889 Moonta, South Australia
Mary Ann SNELL 30 jul 1824 Tavistock, Devon died 29 May 1920 South Australia
married Josiah THOMAS 1824 died 1885
Elizabeth Snell born 1828 Bodmin , Cornwall died 1910 Mount Barker Springs
married William HARPER 1825 died 1913
Susan SNELL born 1829 died 18 feb 1921 Adelaide
married twice 23 Jan 1863 1/ Mr Samuel Barker 1826 died 1868
14 Feb 1874 2/ Mr James Gilbert 1813 died 1893
Edwin SNELLl Born 1832 St Austell, Cornwall died 27 feb 1833 St Austell, Cornwall
John SNELL born 17 May St Evan, Cornwall died 9 Jun 1918 Adelaide
married Sarah Elizabeth MILLER b 1839 Orkney died 1881 Greens Plains
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Thank you for your help. I’ve been working on all the children of the Snells.
I found all the chn of Maryann and Josiah Thomas.Just birth dates .Nothing more.
Same with the chn of Elizabeth and William Harper. I did find a lot on the one daughter Susan 1860-1955 who married Thomas Oliver Richards.
Did Susan Snell have any chn to either husband!!
I’m still working on the chn of John Snell and Sarah Miller. There is a lot of them :)
I’m also trying to see if there is a connection!
Eliza Ann Snell 1820 is the GGGGrandmother of my Dad,Francis Jennings.
My Mother’s name is Olive Valentine(born in Scotland) Her Dads name is Walter James Valentine.
John Hill and Sarah Miller had a son Walter James Valentine Snell 1877 SA- 1927 VIC.
My moms GGGrandmother Grace Insater Webster was born 1840 Orkney Scotland She married James Brewster Valentine.
Her parents were David Webster/Mary Donaldson from Orkney.
So the name and Orkney are a common factor.
I was just wondering !!!
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this is an extract from my Grandmother Hilda Jacobs nee Pearce daughter of Ada Grace Snell about Aunt Susan
On Grandfather Snell's side I know of only one sister, She would have been Susan Snell. Evidently she married twice, first to a Mr Baker, who died leaving her a little property of 3 cottages all side by side in Adelaide. These she was able to let two of and live in the third one. Later she married Mr Gilbert. We always spoke of them as Aunt and Uncle Gilbert. When Mr Gilbert died, Aunt lived on in her little cottage, She would come up to Paskeville at times and visit around her young nieces and nephews as she did not have any family of her own. We always paid her an afternoon visit when in Adelaide. I was very young, but remember her tidy little cottages each with a tidy front garden and a white picket fence. I think the address was Hobson Place off Wright St. Adelaide but I don't remember the number.
When Aunt Susan visited us, she would ask for a chair to be placed out the back yard on Washing day, there she would sit for hours just watching the clothes blowing out on the line, she had always lived in the city, where it was sheltered and the clothes did not get enough wind to blow them around.
Our Aunt Isabel (always known as Aunt Bel) used to live in one of Aunt Susan's cottages after her husband Mr Ferguson died in Broken Hill. He worked in the Broken Hill mines. died of pneumonia leaving his wife and 3 little children. Kenneth was frail little fellow and she lost him also. Aunt Susan was good to the family, took Aunt Bel and Katie and Charlie to live in this cottage rent free until Aunt Bel could get a new start and find work that she could do and look after the children as well.
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In regards to the Valentine name I do not know of any family having it for a last name Elizabeth mothers maiden name was Sutherland.
There were 17 children in the John Snell and Elizabeth Sarah nee Miller Family
John Snell 1856 - 1861
Henry Snell 1857 - 1865
Sarah Elizabeth Snell 1858 married James Hay TRAIN
Alfred Snell 1860 married Catherine MANNERS
Maryann Snell 1862 married Edward FOWLER
Barbara Snell 1863
John Herbert Snell 1864
Jessie Anne Snell 1866-1867
Albert Henry Snell 1867 married Elizabeth CLONAN
Ada Grace Snell 1869 - 1948 Married Alexander Lawrence PEARCE
Clara Alice Snell 1870 -1966 married Hugh SNODGRASS
Isabella Snell 1872- 1953 married Mr FERGUSON
Euphemia Snell 1874- 1874
Jessie Robina Snell 1876 married Mr PHILLIPS
Walter James Valentine Snell 1877
Frank Percival Snell 1879 married Emma Jane SPRY
Charlie Gilbert Snell 1881 married Rubie Annie Jones and Mary Ellen Pounders
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Thankyou for all the information. It will help me continue my search
I love the family stories. It adds so much more to names and dates.
I have found a lot on TROVE
My GGG Grandmother ,Eliza Ann, is John Snells sister . She married John Hill. They had 9 chn. A daughter,Eliza Ann(1852-1938) married James Steer Jennings. They had 3 children .James died young . Eliza and her 3 chn moved to Kalgoorlie WA.
I’m learning a lot about my family history.
Once again thankyou.
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There is a good website for Orkney ad Sheltland families called North Isles Family History it has a lot of family trees from there including the Miller Family.
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Thank you. I’ll check it out