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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Renfrewshire => Topic started by: Grey Seagull on Saturday 10 May 08 18:24 BST (UK)
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Uncle born 1909 in Ladyburn Buildings, Off Port Glasgow Road, Greenock.
Does anyone know where this was? What kind of building it was - tenament/cottage/big house?
Any info would be most appreciated.
Win
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hi
Ladyburn buildings were tenements I think I have a picture
somewhere I will look and see
Elaine
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hi Win
sorry I can't seem to find it at the moment
it may be one of the ones I haven't scanned yet
our school gate was on the same street as Ladyburn buildings
there are some pictures of old greenock streets on the internet
Elaine
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Hi Elaine,
A pic would be great.
You say your school gate was on the same street? If you can tell me which street that was, I can maybe look it up on an old map.
Thanks for your help,
Win :)
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Hi Win
the school was on East Hamilton Street
its an Arnold Clark car showroom now
Elaine
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Hi Elaine,
Can only find Ladyburn Cottage on 1912 map (link below) between Pottery Street & Sinclair Street at the extreme east side of the map. Is this what I am looking for?
http://www.nls.uk:8080/StyleServer/calcrgn?cat=Maps&item=/74400476.sid&style=maps.xsl&wid=700&hei=500&browser=win_ie&plugin=false#
Win
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Hi win
if you pan right a little you will see the Tannery and a little further along
were it has school there are two L shapes blocks these were the two schools
Ladyburn school came under Pottery street
St Mungo's came under East Chalmers street
East Hamilton street was the main road running along the front
between the Laundry and the schools
Elaine
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Hi Elaine,
Have found all the points you mention except East Chalmers Street. Is it the one that runs alongside of the railway line? If so, the Ladyburn Buildings would be above the AI of Railway Line? Or is it near the Tramway Car Shed?
Sorry to seem dense: maps not really my thing...
:) :) :)
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Hi Win
there is an S shaped shaded area
lettering that say's Est Ch and School
the gate of our school would have just been to the left
of the S shape so that must have been the buildings
I am going that way this morning I will stop and see if
there is any other street names
did his family come from the area
maybe we could find them on one of the census's
to get an exact address
Elaine
ps I am no good with maps either ;D
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Hi Elaine,
No. Family not from this area, so that is why I am having trouble locating it! Other children plus extended family born and living in the Mount Pleasant/Lyle/Hope/Hay Street areas and which we all knew about, but really only noticed that one of the older children was born at Ladyburn Buildings when it was too late to ask my mum if she knew exactly where it was.
Just possible they were there in 1911 census - but will have to wait a while to find that out!
:)
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Hi Win
I remember the buildings still being there when I started school
I can't remember though if anyone lived in them at that time
the legend was it was haunted ( children school stories) ;D
I think they were demolished in the mid sixties
I dont know if the Telegraph would have done a story on it
maybe maybe worth checking
I will keep looking for that picture I know I have seen it somewhere
Elaine
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Hi Elaine,
Look forward to seeing the pic whenever you find it. No hurry.
Thanks again for your help
Win
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Hello,
Came across your post about Ladyburn Buildings whilst looking for images of that area. Haven't found any yet but I can tell you exactly where they were.
If you go back to your map you will see the two L shaped buildings which were the two schools, to the right there is the shed. In front of that there are two long buildings between the shed and the railway line at the bottom of the map. The lower of the two buildings , in a crescent shape , was Ladyburn buildings. My friends gran lived there, her Grandad had an allotment right across the street which backed onto the railway line. They were still there in the mid 1960's as I attended Ladyburn School for 6 months in 1965 and remember them still being there. They were tenement buildings which had open landings at the back, folk often had washing out to dry on ropes strung accross the landings. There is a picture of similar type of buildings in Chalmers street, which was nearby, on GOOGLE. just type in Chalmers Street Greenock and there is a reference for a giclee print of Chalmers street. Hope this helps!
Roxyrana
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Hi Roxyrana,
Thanks for your information. I now know exactly where it was!
And although the picture is not of the building itself, it does give some idea of the area.
Thanks again for your help.
:)
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Win,
I've got a picture that shows ladyburn Buildings but I'm having trouble attaching it.
Will keep trying.
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Hi JPMAC
welcome to rootschat you could try this
when you have clicked on reply
go to attach photograph or image below in blue
click
then click browse
select the picture
if you have tried to attach it before you may have to change the
name of the picture
example Ladyburn Buildings change it to Ladyburn_Buildings
either double click the picture or open
then click on post
Elaine
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Tried it, still not working. I think its the format. Still working on it. We'll get there ..........................someday.
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ladyburn buildings was demolished 1970
it lay between gibshill road and pottery st off the main road portglasgow road futher up on to east hamilton st you would cut to ladyburn st parring the tannery works.
it is now a car show room.
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Hello again,
I was browsing through flickr for photos of Greenock and came across an old photograph which shows the elusive Ladyburn Buildings!
If you google 'Tony from greenocks' photostream ' up comes his collection of pics. On the second page about half way down there is an old b&w photo titled 'The Gibby 1965'
The Ladyburn buildings are in the top L of the picture, a distinctive crescent shaped building, pale grey in colour. The Ladyburn School is to the L of the buildings.
Chalmers street is the long curved buildings to the R side. It looks like blocks of flats in a darkish grey.
Hope this satisfies your curiosity !
Regards,
Roxyrana :)
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Hello, I lived at Ladyburn buldings between 1960 and 1966 where I went to Ladyburn primary school which is just around the corner. The discription in the last post is stop on, the building is the L shaped at the top LHS of the picture. The building were also called McLeans building and McLeans Land for some reason. I have some old family colour Cine movies of the building and street. If anyone has other picture of this building to share I would love to see them. Regards Jim
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My aunt Mary lived in Ladyburn Buildings and I lived across the street at 7 Port Glasgow Rd in the late 50's early 60's. Only attended Ladyburn school for a year before the family moved to Gourock. The buildings seemed giant when I was wee and full of life - sadly the area is pretty lifeless these days and waiting to be redeveloped.
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Best I have
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I was really interested to see the above photos. My Dad and many of my ancestors were born, lived etc in Inchgreen Street which I know does not exist anymore. Can anyone point it out on this old photo of Inchgreen?
Jenny
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Inchgreen St is more to the right of this picture, I think :)
http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/McLeanMuseum/EugeneMehatImagesOfGreenockInThe1960S#5295743502456094498
pop along here..this photo linked to
St Mungos Chapel and Chapel House are just recently demolished, look through those photos in the link, I do not know if Inchgreen St is there, it was more or less on the Greenock / PG boundary ? I may be wrong though.
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I think Inchgreen street was the road that led into the Dock
were the Cranes are in the picture
Elaine
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Thanks for those pointers. Nothing specifically for Inchgreen Street on those old photos of Greenock. I really don't know the area at all so I'm looking a bit blindly. I think I need to do a bit more delving! I'll post it on the site and see if anyone knows for sure. I only know it was a street of tenements and it backed onto the railway line - info from my Dad. I'm pretty sure he mentioned the gas works? They may have been near by.
Jenny
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jennifah
I have put a red arrow were the railway line ran through
but just out of the picture there would Bogston station
when you went down through the tunnell it took you down on to
the main road which is were the Inchgreen dockyard is
in the picture there are a few tenements I have put a red dot
this was possibly the tenements your family lived in
Elaine
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Thanks very much Elaine
Looking closely it does seem to be the only street which makes sense on that photo as backing onto the railway line. Quite excited to have maybe found my street! I think it's such a shame that so much was demolished, it doesn't help those of us trying to investigate our family history that's for sure...
Many thanks again, Jenny
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inchgreen st started from the dock gate and headed up to lithgows shipyard, photos numbers 50 and 57 on skunkybob web link, shows inchgreen houses it has the billboard on the side, it was ajacent to shipyard, which had shops underneath the houses, a pub at the end of the street, a pawn broker, a bakery shop and a grocer, the street ran to the end and joined on to mary st portglasgow.
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the street with the red dot was fullerton st also know as paddys castle. inchgreen st was further up the road.
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jenny if you are looking to find out when your family lived there, the local museum has the old rates books that include inchgreen st occupants, i done local look up for my family only went to 1954, but i am sure the books go back further, i can ask the museum next time i pass if anyone local do look ups, for people out of range.
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Thanks daddysgirl. All that was really helpful.
I'm ok with knowing when my family were living at Inchgreen St as I have all the usual census and bmd certs. What info do the rates books give you?
Tried to see the skunkybob photos but there doesn't seem to be any there?
With regards to the photo, if that street is Fullerton Street then is Inchgreen Street out the photo towards Port Glasgow?
Jenny
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click on skunkybob link go to picture 50 you will see a billboard with embassy on it that is the start of inchgreen st , the other billboard on the side of the houses further up is some of inchgreen tenement houses, they go further but no picture of all the street ahead.
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Hi again, just looked at the photos on skunkybob's link.
So was Inchgreen Street from where the embassy billboard is, heading up towards the railway line?
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no
the sign is the inch green road inch green tenements are were the sign is on the side of the tenement straight ahead.
picture this portglagow road is long straight road on left hand side you have railway line, to the left it branches off to another road which is inchgreen st.
so there is no railway line behind inchgreen st it is seperated by portglasgow road.
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sorry on the right hand side you have the railway line
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found this map gives you an insight to were inchgreen st is
www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk
type in ns316749
you will see bogston station
the left hand side you will see the number 6 that line is inchgreen st
the pink road is portglasgow rd
the broken line is the railway lines
hope this is more of a help to you.
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Hi folks
Have just joined so I could join in the conversations which I have been following with interest.
My father was born in Ladyburn Buildings in 1914. His grandfather and grandmother and his mother and two brothers moved up to Greenock when the Woolwich Arsenal torpedo factory was transfered from London to Greenock around 1910 (they are not on the English census for 1911. He lived with his grandparents when his mother married. His mother and her new family continued to live in Greenock but he and his grandparents returned to London sometime between 1924 and 1935. I still need to research that.
Living in Ladyburn buildings what would be the name of the school mentioned that he would have attended? Does anyone know of any school records around that time?
I have not been able to trace his step family other than through certificates.
Regards
Linda
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the schools in the immediate area were The Ladyburn School which was to the L of the Ladyburn Buildings on the photograph.
The other school was St Mungos school , it was just above the Ladyburn School, nearer the main road. St Mungos was a catholic school. That may help you to narrow down which one he attended. Sorry,....don't know of any school records that may exist.
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Hi Linda
Just to second the previous reply, I have interest in Ladyburn School as some of my ancestors attended there. I do not know of any records that exist, the last time I visited the building it was empty (a couple of years ago.)
I was given this brilliant link by another rootschatter and maybe you'll have some luck in the old school photos - some have pupils names on them. So have a look.....
www.geocities.com/johndmruk/school/
Jenny
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Jenny
Thanks for the link- unfortunately there is only one photo of Ladyburn School around 1920's, when my father and his uncle would have been there, but this is obviously a girls class. I think boys and girls used to be segregated for schooling in Victorian times, and may well have continued. It is great to see how the girls are dressed though.
Linda
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St Mungo's School only opened in 1935 and closed in 2005. There are school records, if anyone is interested I may be able to help. Give name and date of birth.
Inchgreen street disappeared about 25 years ago. It was situated between Bogston and Boundary street and between the 'Main' road and the Gourock to Glasgow railway line.There is a plastics factory now on the front of the site and a dual carriageway at the back of the site.
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Hi JPMAC
are the records kept locally or are they in some sort of archives
Elaine
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I was wondering if you still have the picture of the buildings
if you are still having trouble attaching it could you email me a copy
I could have a go
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Hi JPMAC,
If you manage to get the photo attached, would love to see it.
I am sure there is probably some help telling you how to do it but I haven't needed to know how to so fraid I can't help.
Might is be easier to send it as a personal message?
:)
PS Just seen the 'Attach a photo...' arrow below the reply dialogue box. Check that your photo is in an allowed file format and that it is less than 500 kb. If both are ok, then you need to remember where it is filed. If you find it difficult navigating to various folders, you could put a copy on your desktop then after it is attached, it can be deleted from your desktop.
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I went to Ladyburn Primary in the sixties and very early 70's: which was the allocated school for anyone from Gibshill.
I can tell you that the ladyburn Buildings were most definitely tenement blocks. My uncle Robert used to live in one of the flats there.
So in answer to you question they were tenement blocks.
Sek
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Inchgreen Street ran from Port Glasgow Road north to the river and ended at the gas works. In the aerial view shown it is just out of picture. The buildings in the photo are as follows from left to right...Ladyburn Church, Ladyburn buildings, Saint Mungos RC church, the large tenement building next to the church was known as Paddys castle. Moving right we have Helen Street and Chalmers Street tenements and then the newer tenements of Fullerton Street which was situated just in front of Bogston rail station. Between Paddys castle and Helen Street there was a bridge which carried a railway line from the main Gourock to Glasgow line across Port Glasgow Road down to the gas works.
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This photo from 1968 shows Saint Mungos church and house and in the background Ladyburn Buildings.
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Great photo all my family walked that road from chalmer st to ladyburn school since 1952 till it got knocked down.
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that one brings back loads of memories
my mum worked in the bus garage canteen
Elaine
ps
look how quiet that road is ;D
not so quiet now ::)
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Ladyburn School was not demolished. It is now a businessand artists centre. Saint Mungos which was situated close by was demolished in the early seventies.
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At long last. A picture with Ladyburn Buildings.
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=113854445312444#!/photo.php?fbid=458361842651&set=o.113854445312444
This is part of a collection of photos on facebook and includes some old school photos of St Mungo's and Ladyburn.
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=113854445312444#!/group.php?gid=113854445312444&v=photos&so=0
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I have this photo from my collection showing Inchgreen Street, the street running between the yard and the gasworks. To the right of Inchgreen Street is Boundry Street with The Lithgow Club building clearly visible. To the right of that again is Argyle Street. In the foreground of the photo directlly above Inchgreen Street is the top of Shankland Avenue. If you take a look at Google Maps, Inchgreen Street is still shown on the map and it is the entrance to BPI Industries, the pavement contours are probably still there from the 60s.
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welcome to Rootschat Albalad
love these old pictures :)
Elaine
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Hi Albalad,
Thanks for that great photo of Inchgreen Street - the best I've seen yet to show clearly where it was. I finally feel satisfied now! Brilliant.
Jenny
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I have been looking for the street name between Ladyburn Primary and St Mungos` Primary, this was on the west gable of " McClean" building , West of Ladyburn buildings, there was the small shop and a "Close" I believe the school gate for St Mungos`was in this street .
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Hi, I am new to this forum but I have been trying to trace anything to do with Ladyburn Buildings for ages, without any success. My Dad was born there in 1920 and brought up there, leaving at the age of about 20. He was one of about 9 siblings (Kath, Sarah, George, Frank are just a few I recall) his name William (Billy) Gemmell, Roman Catholic. I would welcome any information, photo’s, reminiscences etc. I did visit his mother during her time in Ladyburn Buildings and remember it was a ‘low-rise’ tenement building (2 stories?) with outside lavatory and communal laundry houses. Can anyone help fill in some gaps (school he would have attended etc). Grateful for any information.
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Hi Janie
There are several Facebook pages for Greenock, a good one is Greenock in old Photos. There is plenty on the Ladyburn, lots of school photos, chances are someone will know the name Gemmell.
It’s a great site for info
Kathy
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Thanks for such a quick and helpful response
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I believe I know Ladyburn Buildings. They were flats for women and are still opposite Tesco's large shopping centre on the main road. When I was a child, our bus home left from Wallace Square, outside the Martyrs and North Church and we would amuse ourselves by identifying the names relating to various symbols at the top of the downpipes. For example, FN and an oil-lamp represented Florence Nightingale - The lady with the lamp. EC and a cross was Edith Cavell the war-time nurse. I'm sure I have a list of the others.
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Hi Elaine and others
Have you anymore details of the tannery at Ladyburn or on Marshall's land and tenements East Greenock in early to mid 1800's?
I posted a thread yesterday on Hunters of Greenock; and I now have confirmation that Robert Hunter c1785 d.before 1841 was a skinner, tanner, as were a number of his sons.
Then, there is a William Hunter and his family with the same addresses as Hunter's sons - East Hamilton Street, Ladyburn Marshall's Lands, Port Glasgow Road, thus more than likely making this William Hunter and wife Janet, a nephew of the above Robert Hunter (or two sons with the name William).
Keith
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Hi there If you Google Robt Murray Smith---A historyof greenock and download the book on page 10 ( of 177 pages) there is some interesting stuff about Lady Burn tannery ( Called lady burn tan work ). lots of other interesting information of other industries in the same area around the 1800's.
Regards Orkrad