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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => Topic started by: Patk on Wednesday 19 January 05 01:46 GMT (UK)
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Would appreciate any advice on John Lawrence Toole, born 1880 Manchester, Lancashire. Went to the USA 1902 and I believe served in the USA armed forces 1914-1918.
Possibly the 1920 census would assist me to see if he survived, plus any family details. Or any details regarding his draft papers.
Thank you,
Patk
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I looked at the WWI draft card-
Birth date is October 25, 1879. His occupation was a mason for the US Government. He was naturalized and married to a woman named Harriet.
Address 44 Woodlawn, New Bedford, Bristol, MA.
1920 Census
Lived at 44 Woodlawn, New Bedford
John arrived in US in 1905 and Naturalized in 1916. Wife Harriet A. came in 1906 and was English. Father English and Mother Irish.
Kids- John (19), Mary (8), Alexis (5), Josephine (4), and Clara (2). Mother-in-law Martha Hallon lived with family. She was 71, widowed, born in Ireland and arrived in 1911.
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Dear nutkin
I am amazed at the speed of your reply, and thank you very much indeed.
I had another look at his Ellis Island record, and he arrived 24 Oct 1904, so I guess 1905 would be near enough.
Your advice gives me a lot to go on, and I thank you very much.
Regards,
Pat
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You are very welcome. ;D
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Dear nutkin
I do not suppose in the 1920 census there was an age for John Lawrence Toole, or his wife Harriet A,
I am sorry to ask you this as I feel sure you would have noted it for me, anyway I really would appreciate your advice or confirmation again as the only marriage I can find in Manchester to a Harriet is in 1887, when he would have only been about 8. I also searched the 1881 census for the m.i.law too and I could not find her.
Nothing is ever simple with my Toole's!
Thank you anyway for the details you have already given me, I am sure they are right.
Regards,
Pat
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I am so sorry.
The age in the 1920 Census was 39 years for both Harriet and John.
I checked the 1910 Census- They lived on New Boston Road, Fairhaven, Bristol, MA. John was 30 years old and Harriet 30 years old. The son John junior was the only child listed at this time. The years of marriage were 4 so that would mean they were married about 1906. Other information remains the same from 1920.
Hope this helps- Kristin
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Dear Kristin,
That helps enormously, I am sure now it is the right one!
Thank you so much once again, you are terrific.
Regards,
Pat
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Dear Nutkin, I am at my wits end looking for info on a JASPER C. EDWARDS I was given info by someone from 1930 census, he was in WASHINGTON.CO.,TN. (m) 2 years to a MARY. He was age 32, she 21. I need more info from that census. Where was Mary born? Where there any kids yet? Etc. The prob. I have had is altho people are very willing and nice about looking things up they don't include All the info on a census and, as I am sure u know, every little bit helps as a clue to further research. Also if u have time someday could u check for Him in Tn. in 1900 and 1910 as a child w/his parents. He was found in 1920 in Mass. listed as Jasper Atwood and then he said he and parents were (b) TN.. Atwood prob. was recorded by census taker due to Jasper's thick southern accent me thinks. Any info on my Jasper appreciated. Leagen
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1930 US Census
Tennessee/Washington County/District 4/ED 90/Page 248B
Visit 80 / Family 80
EDWARDS
Jasper C., head, home is rented (not owned), lives on a farm, male, white, 32 years old on last birthday, married when he was 30 years old, able to read and write, born in TN, his father was born in Virginia and his mother in TN, farmer by trade, not a veteran
Mary, Jasper's wife, 21 years old, married at the age of 19, can read and write, she and her parents were born in TN, no occupation
Visit 81 / Family 81 (next door to above)
EDWARDS
Wilson, owns his farm, 57 years old, married at the age of 21 (this must be a second marriage), can read and write, he and his parents were from North Carolina, farmer by trade, not a veteran
Mary, Wilson's wife, 30 years old, married at 19, can read and write, she and her father were born in South Carolina, her mother was born in North Carolina, no occupation
Cecil, Wilson's adopted son (it says that), 10 years old, goes to school and can read and write, born in Tennessee, both parents both in North Carolina
Hope this helps. Tried to look him up in the 1910 and 1900, but you didn't include his father's name, and the 1910 is only indexed (to date) for heads of households. The 1900 index does not yet include Massachusetts. Perhaps someone can do a physical check in a book for you.
Janis Garcia, Fredericktown, Ohio
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Janis, Thank you very much for this. I had come across that Wilson Edwards (m) to Mary before, now to discover his relation to Jasper. According to the birth places he isn't Jasper's father. As to the 1900 census, you say it doesn't include Mass.. Jasper wasn't in Mass. in 1900, he was a child and prob. in TN. both in 1900 and 1910. I can't give a father's name because I know Nothing else about him. Up to a week ago I didn't even know his first name but w/wonderful people like you helping I am finally making some progress. Now to find him in 1900, that would Give me his father's name and w/the father's name he can then be found in 1910. I wonder if he and Mary had any kids? Too bad 1940's not out yet! Thanks again. Leagen
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The only Jasper C. Edwards I can find that even closely matches in 1900 is living in Arkansas and born in 1897 in Arkansas. I have been ill and my brain is a bit foggy so I will have to think of some other ways to find you man.
I though that that the 1900 is only indexed by head of household. I will say that I cannot find on of my family in 1900 even thought I have a death record from 1902 so I know they were alive. I even have their street address and it seems that their home was missed. Always possible,
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Good to hear from you,Nut, and thank you for the info. The one in Ak. can't be mine, I don't think, places of birth are wrong but I will do some searching and see where it leads. I am thinking maybe, altho Jasper was (b) in Tn., maybe his family went back to VA. after he was (b) and lived there in 1900/1910. The 2 states border so moving to the next state may have been as easy as moving across the street! Leagen
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I have checked out the Edwards in Ark. and the Wilson Edwards living next to Jasper in TN. and find no connection to Jasper but really feel there Must be some connection to Wilson at least. Too much of a coincidence him living right next door. Maybe he was a brother to Jasper's father. Jasper's father was (b) in VA. but a brother could easily have been (b) in NC. There was a big clan of Edwards from NC and this Wilson is prob. one of them but I haven't found him linked to the NC Edwards yet. Found a Wilson (b) in 1847 tho but this one was (b) 1873. Prob. of the next generation and from a son who hasn't gotten much info published about him yet online. Leagen