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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Hertfordshire Lookup Requests => Hertfordshire => England => Herts Completed Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Keith Bateman on Wednesday 19 January 05 13:39 GMT (UK)
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Hi All,
I am trying to place the following family who on the 1891 census should be:
Elizabeth Bateman 52 born Hitchen, Herts
James (or Jeremy) Bateman - son 14 born Ware
Lizzie Bateman dau 11 born Ware
Mary Bateman dau 17 born Ware
In the 1881 census they were all living in Ware
In the 1901 census Mary & Lizzie are still single and living separately in Ware and James has married and is living in Edmonton, Middlesex
Cheers
Keith
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Hi,as far as I can ascertain the 1891 shows James working as a Barge boy on the narrow boat "Volunteer" moored in Shoreditch on the night of the census.The age he gives is 18.RG12/253 Folio 54
Was Lizzie Christianed by that name or could she be Elizabeth? Regards,Pete 8)
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Hi Pete,
WELL DONE !!!
James - no wonder I was struggling to find him - 4 years overage - wonder if that was to work on the boats like his father did?
What a silly question to ask about my Elizabeth !! ;D ;D ;D
She was christened Elizabeth Emma in 1879 she was called Lizzie on the 1881 census and I think Elizabeth in 1901
Mum was Elizabeth on her Wedding Certificate in 1869 and 1871 census - she was Eliz.Th on the 1881 census.
Mary's full name was Mary Jane.
That's the first name of a boat I have been able to find - thanks AGAIN
Cheers
Keith
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Hi again,now that I know for sure Lizzie was Elizabeth he she probabley is.
1891 Hertfordshire St Mary Distict 3 Ware
RG12/1094 folio42
Phoebe Bangs Head widow age59
Henry " Son age27 baker
Nellie " Dghtr age20
Elizabeth Bateman adopted child age11
All born Ware.Hope this helps,havn't found Mary yet but I'll keep trying,regards,Pete 8)
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Hi Pete,
Well - Well - Well - adopted !!!!! ??? ??? ???
If you could find Mum - it might explain things - I thought I had her death in 1900 - but maybe I'm wrong - I think Husband James died in 1884 which might explain the farming out of the children.
Do I now have to put adopted parents in to my Tree? ;D
Thanks again
Keith
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Hi Pete,
Can I be a real Pain!! ??? ???
Regarding James and his boat - does it list the rest of the crew - as per households??
Was wondering if there were any relations I could recognise?
Don't worry if its not that simple.
Don't want to waste any goodwill!! :-* :-*
Cheers
Keith
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1891
Barge "Volunteer"
George KING head married 34 bargeman b.Hoddesdon Herts.
Mary KING wife 34 b.Ware Herts.
James BATEMAN (no relationship given) unmarried 18 bargeboy b.Ware Herts
Harry GODDY (no relationship given) unmarried 17 horse driver b.Ware Herts
The Barge "Little Nell" was occupied by William SALMON and the barge "Ada" was occupied by Josiah PAGE and family.
RG12/253 folio 54 page 48
Hope this helps
Casalguidi
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Hi casalguidi,
Many thanks for the information :-*
Where does the "Little Nell" come in - is she moored near by - as I have a William Salmon married to Emma Bateman!!?? ??? ???
Will check other names later.
Great - thanks
Cheers
Keith
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HI
I THINK THIS IS YOUR MARY BATEMAN, TRANSCRIBED AT BATMAN!! BUT ON ORIGINAL IS CLEARLY BATEMAN. THE AGE IS ALSO 19 BUT IT IS NOT VERY CLEAR AND COULD BE 17. IF YOU WOULD LIKE THE IMAGE LET ME KNOW YOUR EMAIL AND I WILL SEND YOU IT.
EMILY A MEE, HEAD, AGE 50, RESIDENT SECRETARY BORN KENT BLACKHEATH
ELIZABETH C MEE, NIECE, AGE 38, LIVING ON OWN MEANS BORN HANTS REDBRIDGE
JOANNA TOWERS, BOARDER, AGE 47,LIVING ON OWN MEANS BORN YORKS LEEDS
MARY J BATEMAN, SERVANT, AGE 17?19, COOK DOM SERV, BORN HERTS WARE
BLANCHE REDMAN, VISITOR, AGE 40, LADIES MAID SER BORN FRANCE
I HAVE READ THE IMAGE AS WELL AS I CAN, ITS NOT VERY CLEAR.
RG12/92
ED 2 FOLIO 56 PAGE 19
MARYLEBONE LONDON
NICKY
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Hi Keith
The three barges are listed together on the census and one would assume that they were somewhere nearby - at lease within that census district which wouldn't have covered that big an area.
"Little Nell"
William SALMON head unmarried 42 barge captain b.Sawbridgeworth Herts
"Ada"
Josiah PAGE head mar 30 barge mate b.Old Cross Herts
Nelly PAGE wife 30 b.Linn Norfolk
William PAGE son 11 b.Waltham Herts
Years ago, I corresponded with somebody researching a SALMON/HAGGER relationship and they worked (if I remember correctly) barges down the River Lea.
Best wishes
Casalguidi
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Hi Nicky & casalguidi,
Thanks - Once again this site comes up Trumps!!
I will send you a PM with my email address Nicky as I would like original -even tho you have given me all the information - that's funny about her name as I think is was transcribed wrongly on the 1881 census - again as Batman.
Pity there is no one else on board "Little Nell" - but that's not your fault casalguidi !!!! ;D ;D ;D
Don't think I have a "Hagger" in my tree - yet - but a few Sammons/Salmonds
Thanks again
Keith