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Descendants of Andrew Taggart
Generation No. 1
1. ANDREW1 TAGGART was born in Donegore. Antrim, and died March 11, 1886 in TamneyBreak. co. Antrim.
Children of ANDREW TAGGART are:
2. i. JOSEPH2 TAGGART, b. January 08, 1833, Legoniel. Belfast. Northern Ireland..
ii. MARY TAGGART, b. December 26, 1835, Donegore. Antrim.
iii. WILLIAM TAGGART, b. September 20, 1821, Ballynoe. antrim.
iv. ROBERT TAGGART, b. November 12, 1824, Hungry Hall.; m. JANE MCBRIDE, March 03, 1847; b. Hungry Hall..
v. ANDREW TAGGART, b. August 10, 1827, Drumnagargan; m. JANE HOUSTON, September 01, 1886.
vi. RACHEL TAGGART.
Generation No. 2
2. JOSEPH2 TAGGART (ANDREW1) was born January 08, 1833 in Legoniel. Belfast. Northern Ireland.. He married MARY ANNE MCBRIDE October 01, 1858 in 2nd Donegore Presbytarian Church., daughter of JAMES MCBRIDE.
Marriage Notes for JOSEPH TAGGART and MARY MCBRIDE:
Tobernagill is a townland (ancient Irish division of land still in use today) in Co. Antrim, on the slopes of Donegore Hill which lies 10 miles norht of Belfast.
Child of JOSEPH TAGGART and MARY MCBRIDE is:
3. i. JOSEPH3 TAGGART, b. June 20, 1870, Legoniel. Ballysillan.Belfast. Northern Ireland.; d. May 31, 1957, 11 Tullybrannigan Rd. Newcastle. Co. Down. N. Ireland..
Generation No. 3
3. JOSEPH3 TAGGART (JOSEPH2, ANDREW1) was born June 20, 1870 in Legoniel. Ballysillan.Belfast. Northern Ireland., and died May 31, 1957 in 11 Tullybrannigan Rd. Newcastle. Co. Down. N. Ireland.. He married ANNA MABEL HANNA March 27, 1896 in Cliftonville Pres. Church., daughter of WILLIAM HANNA and NANCY MCDOWELL. She was born in Randalstown. Co. Antrim, and died January 08, 1956 in 11 Tullybrannigan Rd. Newcastle. Co. Down. N. Ireland..
Children of JOSEPH TAGGART and ANNA HANNA are:
4. i. EILEEN (EVELYN)4 TAGGART, b. October 05, 1896, legoniel. Belfast. Northern Ireland.; d. May 14, 1980, Royal Victoria Hosp. Belfast..
5. ii. JOSEPH TAGGART, b. May 16, 1899, Delhi Terrace, Ballysillan. Belfast. Northern Ireland.; d. March 01, 1979, Nursing Home, Whiteabbey, Co. Antrim. Northern Ireland..
iii. REGINALD WILLIAM TAGGART, b. April 07, 1901, Legoniel. Belfast. Northern Ireland.; d. September 15, 1947, Ballygally rd. Norfthern Ireland..
6. iv. CLARENCE IVOR TAGGART, b. March 10, 1905, Legoniel. Belfast. Northern Ireland.; d. January 15, 1982, Alexian Brothers Nursing HOme. Warrenpoint..
7. v. HERBERT ANDREW TAGGART, b. November 16, 1907, Legoniel. Belfast. Northern Ireland.; d. December 30, 1983, Purdysburn Hosp. Saintfield Rd. Belfast..
vi. VINCENT TAGGART.
Generation No. 4
4. EILEEN (EVELYN)4 TAGGART (JOSEPH3, JOSEPH2, ANDREW1) was born October 05, 1896 in legoniel. Belfast. Northern Ireland., and died May 14, 1980 in Royal Victoria Hosp. Belfast.. She married THOMAS JOHNSTON JONES in England we think.
Child of EILEEN TAGGART and THOMAS JONES is:
i. HEATHER MARGARET5 JONES, d. June 06, 1997; m. ROBERT CRAWFORD, 1940.
5. JOSEPH4 TAGGART (JOSEPH3, JOSEPH2, ANDREW1) was born May 16, 1899 in Delhi Terrace, Ballysillan. Belfast. Northern Ireland., and died March 01, 1979 in Nursing Home, Whiteabbey, Co. Antrim. Northern Ireland.. He married VIOLET MAWHINNEY December 25, 1926 in Loughmorne Church, Carrickfergus. Co. Antrim., daughter of JAMES MAWHINNEY and MARGARET DICKSON. She was born January 08, 1906 in Whiteabbey, Co. Antrim Northern Ireland., and died October 22, 1975 in 29 Lismoyne Park, North Circular Rd, Belfast. Northern Ireland..
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Hello Irish,
I assume this post was not for information purposes only.
It is very well detailed and indicates you have a keen interest in Genealogy.
I presume Andrew Taggart, born in Donegore. Co. Antrim, and died March 11, 1886 in TamneyBreak. Co. Antrim is your brick wall and you require further information about this man.
Did some of the 163 people who have read this post send you an email or a private message? If not, why not?
All the Best,
Christopher
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Hi Christopher. thanks for compliment, however I am not very good at genealogy at all, and am only doing it to keep a promise I made my daughters five years ago that I would try and trace their roots and find some of the ancestors etc. The brick wall I have hit is actually the fact that I can not afford to pay the charges of the various sites to pay for information especially which I later find out is nothing to do with my family. I have made too many erros in sending for informatiion and get confused with the various sites. I do love this site though! I am now senior and have to work from a budget unfortunately.
I would love help from anyone who can look at the above information I have given on any of the family and if anyone should see a connection or can help me fill a few holes or go farther back on any of them, I would be over the moon.
thanks so much for caring. Val.
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Hei Val,
Before you tell me Hi does not have an "e" I will tell you I use a Norwegian spelling of the word as my maternal grandmother came from Norway.
Did your father start the building business or was it started by your grandfather? A good family history should contain not only the dry facts about the family but also interesting snippets about things they did and in the case of your family lots of photographs of them and buildings they built. Do you have all the photographs or would your living relatives in Belfast have some photogtraphs which are different from yours. The details you have shown me so far indicate you should be writing a book. I feel your family played an important role in the area in which they lived during the 20th century.
W.D.R and R.T. Taggart, Architects, designed the Lotus Factory, Newry Road, Banbridge, Co. Down. Do you know if they were members of your family? www.c20society.org.uk/docs/casework/northst_arcade.html
I found a person searching for Taggarts in the early 1800s in North Antrim, in Billy Parish, near Bushmills. http://www.ulsterancestry.com
All the Best Chris
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Hi Cris, thanks for info. Re those Taggarts of Bushmills I have been on their site many times and wrote to the administrator of it. He tells me the Busmills Taggarts do not tie in with my Antrim family.
Secondly , re who started our taggart family business . It was my grandfather who apparently worked out of a wee shed when they l lived in Legoneil. That was up in Delhi Stree in those days. I did go and take pictures last time I ws over etc. It was my father who took the business to greater times.
That builder you mentioned is nothing to do with us. I did find them also when browsing the internet as well but sadly it just a coincidence.
I actually am a member of the Family Tree maker programe and have version 11 and have all my data, history, tid-bits from family etc, pictures, all entered on it. Great way to save info and very easy. Write a book you say? Well if I can just fill in some more gaps and dates on what I have etc or get a bit farther back with the Taggart, Hanna, mawhinney and Dickson and Galloway family, I might just do that.
Val
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Hi
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Hi Andrew, and thanks so very much for your reply. HOnest to goodness this is more attentiion that I have ever received on this site. Wonderful .
that taggart brothers buildingers of Delhi street, are definately my grandfather.
Joseph taggart bricklayer 1 springvale terrace could be but how can I tell or find out. This is where I am so bad at genealogy. Where did you find these and under what years. Your a doll for helping me. Val.
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Re your 'ANDREW1 TAGGART was born in Donegore. Antrim, and died March 11, 1886 in TamneyBreak. co. Antrim' entry.
Not certain, but if it is Tammybrack/Tamneybrack/Tammneybrake (spelling keeps changing) in the Parish of Racavan, I think this chap is recorded in a book I happen to have (not much detail on him though, mainly record of having been visited by the minister of Buckna Presbyterian Church and mention in one entry in Nov 1866 of his wife being his second, also a mention of an Andrew, Jane and Sarah Taggart of Tammybrack attending Communion). A few other Taggarts are also recorded from neighbouring townlands.
Some of my line also happened to live in the parish and even some in the same townland, so if you need more info on the area, just ask.
When I get some time, I will check through all the entries where he is recorded.
Just noticed a Jane Taggart of Tamneybrack is recorded as a Farmer around 1880/3 and a Robert Taggart of Tamneybrack emigrated to Brandon, Canada in1915.
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Hei there Val,
How was the gathering last night? Did everyone have a good time and enjoy themselves? Did you have a wee glass of wine before everyone arrived? 8)
You received a message from Anthony but obviously you are so worried about finding Andrew Taggart our good friend Anthony now has a new name.
How are you there Andrew? 8) (I see your point Val it saves a letter in the typing process). Anthony we must get together over a coffee and discuss this thread as I feel there may be a fair amount of searching for information. I am aiming to be in the Central Library, Royal Avenue this afternoon/evening. Anthony I am sure the names you produced came out of your fine collection of street directories.
Directory of Belfast and the Province of Ulster 1852
Antrim
J Taggart, spirit merchant, Main Street
Belfast
Henry Taggart, carpenter, 11, New Durham Street
John Taggart, publican, 2, Valentine Street
Mary Taggart, dealer, 2, Lower Stanfield Street
Moses Taggart, commercial traveller, 1, Bank Lane
Samuel Taggart, grocer and spirit dealer, 8, Henrietta Street
Dungannon
James Taggart, carpenter, Washingford Row
Monaghan
Edward Taggart, blacksmith, Park Street
I notice Joseph Taggart married Mary Anne McBride at 2nd Donegore Presbyterian in 1858. Here are the addresses for both 1st Donegore and 2nd Donegore Presbyterian Churches. I wonder if the family stuck religiously to their own pew in the mid 1800s or if that was a more recent occurrence?
http://www.antrim.gov.uk/Community_Detail.cfm?alpha=all&Community_Id=8&CommunityCat_Id=4&Category_Key=128
http://www.antrim.gov.uk/Community_Detail.cfm?alpha=all&Community_Id=17&CommunityCat_Id=4&Category_Key=128
This picture of the Corpse House at Donegore Parish Church may be of interest to you. It will give you an idea of some of the leisure pastimes in which people participated in that area before the invention of television. http://radiocarbon.pa.qub.ac.uk/local/antrim/corpsehouse.html
Scotmum, that book you mentioned isn't Francis J. Montgomery's
"A short history of Second Donegore Presbyterian Church, 1788-1988" is it?
There are several books about the area in the Northern Ireland Libraries Catalogue. http://www.ni-libraries.net including -
B.W. Ferguson's "Brief historical notice of the parish and people of Donegore 1634-1882" "The Ordnance Memoirs of the parish" might be worth a look as the names of people are mentioned in them occasionally.
The Irish Gravestone inscriptions site mentions the death, by drowning whilst ice skating, of William Taggart who was the son of late Dr Taggart of Carrickfergus, Co. Antrim. www.historyfromheadstones.com/index.php?id=804
All the Best, Chris
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"Scotmum, that book you mentioned isn't Francis J. Montgomery's
"A short history of Second Donegore Presbyterian Church, 1788-1988" is it? "
No, Christopher, it is "Presbyterianism in Buckna 1756-1992 by Margaret E Millar, ISBN 09520909 0 2" which is now out of print. A number of copies are available for loan in some libraries throughout the province and sometimes second hand copies turn up for sale (a very helpful book dealer managed to secure me such a copy). Tamyneybrack (and its various spellings) was one of many small, rural townlands of the Braid valley, which surrounded the church, with the nearest large village being Broughshane and town being Ballymena.
Having looked again at the timescale in question and seeing that he did not appear to be in the area in the earlier part of the period, I would be fairly confident that this is indeed the Andrew in question. As Val has the date/place of death for her Andrew, perhaps she also has the certificate which may give some further clues.
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Hei Scotmum,
How are you?
If the Central Library have Francis J. Montgomery's "A short history of Second Donegore Presbyterian Church, 1788-1988 in stock I will have a look at it later today. It may contain more about the Taggart family than the book you have as the Second Donegore is the Church the family attended. Are you on any of the Messenger systems with Voice facilities? I am sure Val would love the opportunity to chat with you.
I was having a Google hoping to find a Black Sheep for Val.
Yes Steve, Sheep not Slave. Don't think I have been lucky though. http://www.bbc.co.uk/northernireland/yourplaceandmine/antrim/john_nevin_letter.shtml
Best Wishes,
Chris
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Hi all
How would I go about buying.....begging... stealing........ or borrowing these books...... :'(
any ideas please
Steve
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Hei Steve,
I think there are three books mentioned in the thread. I am not sure that you could join a Northern Ireland public library but you might be able to join the Linenhall Library as it is a private library with a membership subscription. If that is the case you could borrow the books. http://www.linenhall.com/Home/Membership/membership.htm Broken link
All the Best, Chris
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Thanks Chris
Think this is a place all us rellie hunters for Ireland need to go to at some point.
A place to visit in our next visit (hope it is as good as Proni)
Think I would need to move back home to enjoy the treasures they have though......... can not see them posting me a book .....for me to post it back again :P
But I shall go through this lovely site and maybe joining can help, not only me ,but help them preserve more reading matter.
And maybe a wee call tomorrow might make thing clearer for me
Steve
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Hei Steve,
Have a look at this. I quote from the information in the site and hope I am not breaking copyright laws by by quoting. You may be able to look at the books in the two libraries in England. Whether you could borrow them is a different matter.
Material published and distributed in the United Kingdom and in the Republic of Ireland must be deposited in the six legal libraries and archives. This includes self-published books.
These six UK libraries are:
The British Library
The Bodleian Library, Oxford
The University Library, Cambridge
The National Library of Scotland, Edinburgh
The Library of Trinity College, Dublin
The National Library of Wales, Aberystwyth
www.writersservices.com/wps/s2_uk_legal_deposit.htm
All the Best,
Chris
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Thanks Chris
Probably cheaper to fly in and out in a day than travel to any of these......(would have to read quick)
I will ring them tomorrow to get the gist.
Ta
steve
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Hello Everyone, and good morning from a very sunny Calgary, Alberta. Canada.
Yes Chris, my ladies night turned out to be quite the evening. Ten bottles of wine later the craic was very good!
Now, thank you each and every one for jumping on my band-wagon and helping me. I am absolutely Gob-smacked at all the information you guys are pulling out of your hats. Your are amazing!
Can you tell me please , when you give me names as above, are these suggestions of people that might be connected or are they definitely connected. sorry, but I really am a terrible green-horn at this. Plus I was born blond (but only I can say that :)
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Hiya Val,
I do not recall who coined the phrase dumb blondes. Who ever it was had not had the pleasure of meeting you. There is no way you could be called dumb. Green horn I also doubt.
Regarding those names at the moment there are the Probables, Possibles and Impossibles. We have to work out who's wa who. 8)
You posted 31 entries here. Is there any information you need from these postings that should be on this thread? http://genforum.genealogy.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?forum=taggart&url=%2Ftaggart%2F&path=%2Ftaggart%2F&terms=Valerie+Poole&boolean=AND
Best Wishes, Chris
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Hi C, the lady called Sara Dorman who is also looking to find a Taggart.
I read her message for the first time yesterday. I have written her back on the board to tell her that the person she mentions (Ivor Taggart) is definately my fathers brother.
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Val,
Robert Taggart of Carrickmacross owned 155 acres in Co. Tyrone in 1876
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~tyrone/info/landowners.html
I found eleven Taggarts who signed the Ulster Covenant in the Ballysillan Ligoniel area. I am puzzled as to why the distribution of the sexes is somewhat uneven - one man and ten women. It might be an idea to check the address in the street directory. In some of the instances this may show there was a man in the house.
Mrs Martha Taggart, 8, Legnave Street ,Ligoniel
Racel Taggart, 8, Legnave Street, Ligoniel
Lizzie Taggart, 7, Leggagh Street Ligoniel
Joseph Taggart, Billstown, Ligoniel
Jenny Taggart, 6, Primrose Street, Ballysillan
Sarah Taggart, 6, Primrose Street, Ballysillan
Rose Taggart, 3, Leggagh Street, Ballysillan
Mary Taggart, 2, Glenbank Place, Ballysillan
Lizzie Taggart 2, Glenbank Place, Ballysillan
Sarah Taggart, 7, Leggagh Street, Ballysillan
Bella Taggart, 7, Leggagh Street, Ballysillan
Jenny Taggart, 6, Primrose Street, Ballysillan
http://www.proni.gov.uk/ulstercovenantsearch/results.asp Broken link
All the Best Chris
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Val,
I feel it might be an idea to go further back in time from Andrew Taggart of Donegore who died in 1886. There is a possibility it could be easier taking his children's Christian names into consideration. Were they named after their grandfather, grandmother or some of Andrew's siblings? ???
The search could get bogged down looking through many guys named Andrew. I suggest you leave the brick wall and look at some of those other Christian names. This may enable you to return to Andrew with a lineage from the past to the approximate date of his birth.
Was Andrew Taggart a farmer? ??? If so the farm was probably inherited by him. The questions how and when did the Taggart family become farmers must be considered. Where did they farm before appearing at Donegore? ??? You have a couple of Williams in the family. I found a William Taggart in the article in this site below. He may have fought at the Siege of Derry and Battle of the Boyne. www.4qd.org/torrens/books/rmt02.html
I hope this does not become a wild goose chase but it is worthwhile looking around you whilst looking at a brick wall. Much more pleasant than banging your head against it 8) I suggest your friend Cynthia looks around too.
Sounds as though she has a bit of a sore head after spending several hours searching for Andrew Taggart of Donegore.
Best Wishes, Chris
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Val
Can I stop banging my head looking for your Andrew ,can I look for your Hanna's now please.
What do you need?where shall I go ?
Steve
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Hi Steve, thanks so much for your offer of help. You all seem to be a great bunch and I am so glad I joined up on this site.
Yes you most certainly can look any time for any of my evasive ancestors.
What do I need? Well what I really need is for someone to take over all my data and do the damn thing for me :):):)
I have got myself into a mess due to bad filing and trying to do too many sides of the family at one.
My maiden name was Taggart. I was born in Belfast but came to Calgary 30 years ago. My daughters bugged and bugged me to try doing our tree, and I started out with not even knowing the names of my grandparents due to them either having died before I came along or shortly thereafter.
I really don't know what I am doing and it has been my girlfriend in Ireland who has helped me so far. But she is cant do all the running around she used to be able to do plus neither of us can afford the charges so I am going to try and wing it myself.
Where do I start though?
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Val,
This table, after you have entered the name Taggart in the blank line, shows the distribution of the name Taggart throughout Ireland during the period 1848-64. I have a few light coloured hairs in my beard (does that qualify me as a dumb blonde or does such a definition not apply to men? ???)
http://scripts.ireland.com/ancestor/surname/index.cfm
Steve, should the Hanna's be on a different thread? You know about such technical matters as you use lengths of string :D I wonder if some of that wallpaper you use came from Christies of Belfast :D When did your family move to England? ??? Maybe you do not know of Christies Wallpaper and Paints. I am sure Val will feel very much at home with someone with north Belfast connections assisting her. 8)
All the Best, Chris
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Val
You start with.......... a deep breath.....pull up your chair........and a glass of wine..........now we will begin.
Start at the beginning
1 do you have Anna's marriage certificate or birth.
2 Any family story's that might point you in the right directions.
3 Any siblings names
And if you want to start a separate message for the Hanna's to make it easier for my Uncle Chris to follow what is going on then you can do that.........if you want( ;D it might make it easier for others to follow as well)
And I too have lots of papers and my tree on wallpaper roll.........we all get in a mess...takes time Val but you'll get there in the end.
steve
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Uncle Chris
I have "made in Ireland" right through me, well only 13 generations so far ................
Christies to posh for us ......
Nothing wrong with the old fashion way with your tree,when all computers go a.w.l we will still have a paper (and string trail) ;)
Can you help Val out with new thread if she needs it please......
Heres to happy hunting the Hanna's Val
Steve
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Uncle Chris
I have "made in Ireland" right through me, well only 13 generations so far ................
Christies to posh for us ......
Nothing wrong with the old fashion way with your tree,when all computers go a.w.l we will still have a paper (and string trail) ;)
Can you help Val out with new thread if she needs it please......
Heres to happy hunting the Hanna's Val
Steve
Hei Steve,
I am delighted you used the phrase "made in Ireland" I am proud to say I have both Celtic and Irish Roots. It is much more fun being a good mongrel than a pure bred Norn Iron Prod. 8)
Thirteen generations means your family were here long before the state of Northern Ireland was established. I have some work to do if I wish to trace the Alexander family of my maternal grandfather or that of my maternal great grandmother, Janet Erskine, back 13 generations.
All the Best, Chris
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Steve, have taken your advice and am sitting here with a glass of wine! Deep breath - here goes.
I can tell you that the following information is all correct.
So I need to go back from there I guess. right?
Val.
JOSEPH2 TAGGART (ANDREW1) was born January 08, 1833 in Legoniel. Belfast. Northern Ireland.. He married MARY ANNE MCBRIDE October 01, 1858 in 2nd Donegore Presbytarian Church., daughter of JAMES MCBRIDE.
Marriage Notes for JOSEPH TAGGART and MARY MCBRIDE:
Tobernagill is a townland (ancient Irish division of land still in use today) in Co. Antrim, on the slopes of Donegore Hill which lies 10 miles norht of Belfast.
Child of JOSEPH TAGGART and MARY MCBRIDE is:
3. i. JOSEPH3 TAGGART, b. June 20, 1870, Legoniel. Ballysillan.Belfast. Northern Ireland.; d. May 31, 1957, 11 Tullybrannigan Rd. Newcastle. Co. Down. N. Ireland..
Generation No. 3
3. JOSEPH3 TAGGART (JOSEPH2, ANDREW1) was born June 20, 1870 in Legoniel. Ballysillan.Belfast. Northern Ireland., and died May 31, 1957 in 11 Tullybrannigan Rd. Newcastle. Co. Down. N. Ireland.. He married ANNA MABEL HANNA March 27, 1896 in Cliftonville Pres. Church., daughter of WILLIAM HANNA and NANCY MCDOWELL. She was born in Randalstown. Co. Antrim, and died January 08, 1956 in 11 Tullybrannigan Rd. Newcastle. Co. Down. N. Ireland..
Children of JOSEPH TAGGART and ANNA HANNA are:
4. i. EILEEN (EVELYN)4 TAGGART, b. October 05, 1896, legoniel. Belfast. Northern Ireland.; d. May 14, 1980, Royal Victoria Hosp. Belfast..
5. ii. JOSEPH TAGGART, b. May 16, 1899, Delhi Terrace, Ballysillan. Belfast. Northern Ireland.; d. March 01, 1979, Nursing Home, Whiteabbey, Co. Antrim. Northern Ireland..
iii. REGINALD WILLIAM TAGGART, b. April 07, 1901, Legoniel. Belfast. Northern Ireland.; d. September 15, 1947, Ballygally rd. Norfthern Ireland..
6. iv. CLARENCE IVOR TAGGART, b. March 10, 1905, Legoniel. Belfast. Northern Ireland.; d. January 15, 1982, Alexian Brothers Nursing HOme. Warrenpoint..
7. v. HERBERT ANDREW TAGGART, b. November 16, 1907, Legoniel. Belfast. Northern Ireland.; d. December 30, 1983, Purdysburn Hosp. Saintfield Rd. Belfast..
vi. VINCENT TAGGART.
Generation No. 4
4. EILEEN (EVELYN)4 TAGGART (JOSEPH3, JOSEPH2, ANDREW1) was born October 05, 1896 in legoniel. Belfast. Northern Ireland., and died May 14, 1980 in Royal Victoria Hosp. Belfast.. She married THOMAS JOHNSTON JONES in England we think.
Child of EILEEN TAGGART and THOMAS JONES is:
i. HEATHER MARGARET5 JONES, d. June 06, 1997; m. ROBERT CRAWFORD, 1940.
STEVE - THIS IS MY FATHER
5. JOSEPH4 TAGGART (JOSEPH3, JOSEPH2, ANDREW1) was born May 16, 1899 in Delhi Terrace, Ballysillan. Belfast. Northern Ireland., and died March 01, 1979 in Nursing Home, Whiteabbey, Co. Antrim. Northern Ireland.. He married VIOLET MAWHINNEY December 25, 1926 in Loughmorne Church, Carrickfergus. Co. Antrim., daughter of JAMES MAWHINNEY and MARGARET DICKSON. She was born January 08, 1906 in Whiteabbey, Co. Antrim Northern Ireland., and died October 22, 1975 in 29 Lismoyne Park, North Circular Rd, Belfast. Northern Ireland..
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Right Val
Start with Anna Hanna do you just have her wedding cert and not her birth...if so...then who were the witnesses at the marriage...because might give us a clue.
Are you sure her name was Anna not Hanna or Ann etc because my family seem to be one name on their birth and another on their marriage(adds to the fun).
There seems to be about 400 William Hanna's in Antrim alone....so this is going to take time.
Do you know where they are buried...............(pause for quick sip of the wine) if you do there might be more names written on the gravestones.
Ok ...just a bit to be going on with........ ;)
Steve
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Hei there Steve,
I am not on the wine but I am lost already. :-\ I thought I was safe enough on Orange and crisps. Where is the Taggart thread please? ??? This appears to be the Hanna thread. I have marked this one so that I do not get totally lost. :D
Look I really am totally lost now ??? The usual genealogical practice is to start with your self, then your Mum and Dad and their lines. OK. OK I see where we are...Granny Anna Taggart (nee Hanna). Oh dear Steve. Why pick Granny Anna's line? 400 William Hanna's is a sight worse than 98 Andrew Taggarts.
This site will interest you as it mentions the late Judge G. B. Hanna of Belfast and my late Godmother's husband D. O'D Hanna, a Belfast architect who lived in Holywood, Co. Down. http://www.clanhannay.us/society.html
Uncle Chris
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Hi Uncle Chris
Think this is both Taggart and hanna families at the mo....
Val will find her feet and split her family up when she gets the time or someone shows her how to............
or maybe she wants to keep all her family together........
Steve
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Cheers Steve,
I am adding a bit to my earlier message at the moment. Look out for it as these Hanna's are really confusing. I have a friend originally from Bangor, Co. Down, living in Cheshire nowdays, whose maiden name was Hanna. Her father was approached prior to the first Council Meeting of Clan Hanna / Hannah / Hannay Society. Already I have got a gut feeling we will have some fun and games researching this name. There are eight columns of the surname Hanna in The Phone Book for Northern Ireland 2003. I hope my recently adopted sister, Val Poole, finds her feet soon. She has me staggering about all over the place (well surfing the net etc). She does not know what she has started here. She must be a recently adopted relative of yours for openers 8)
I searched http://www.proni.gov.uk/ulstercovenantsearch/index.asp and discovered one Anna, three Hannahs, two Herberts (one from the Cavehill Road, Belfast), and eighty William Hanna's signed the Ulster Covenant in 1912.
Here is a recent Vincent. The only common denominator here is probably the name Vincent. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincent_Hanna
All the Best, Uncle Chris
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Can not wait till Val starts on the McDowells McBrides Mawhinneys etc etc........... ;D
STEVE
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Steve,
That is only the M's. I am beginning to wonder if there is anyone in the north of Ireland who is not, in one way or another, related to Val. How long will this search take do you think ???
Val, I have been wondering why Clarence was in the Alexian Brothers Nursing Home at Warrenpoint when he died. http://www.alexianbrothers.org
Did he retire to that part of the world?
I have spotted some interesting details about G. B. Hanna. www.election.demon.co.uk/stormont/counties.html He retired from an interesting political career when he became a County Court Judge in 1933. www.election.demon.co.uk/stormont/antrim.html
George B. Hanna, QC., MP came back into politics and was Minister of Home Affairs in the Northern Ireland Parliament at Stormont in 1956. Here in the second site you will find a small portion of one of his speeches at Stormont - www.cain.ulst.ac.uk/othelem/docs/nigov56.htm www.cain.ulst.ac.uk/csc/reports/bryjar98.htm
Uncle Chris
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You lot have me ;D like crazy here.
ok I am going to try and work out how to do this sewing or threads (whatever you call it ???)
Hope I don't mess things up but I am sure my new relations will keep me straight.
By the way, I do remember that on the Hanna side of things, my father used to refer to a famous, or more probably notorious Judge Hanna who was related to Anna Mable Hanna my grandmother.
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Cheers Steve,
I am adding a bit to my earlier message at the moment. Look out for it as these Hanna's are really confusing. I have a friend originally from Bangor, Co. Down, living in Cheshire nowdays, whose maiden name was Hanna. Her father was approached prior to the first Council Meeting of Clan Hanna / Hannah / Hannay Society. Already I have got a gut feeling we will have some fun and games researching this name. There are eight columns of the surname Hanna in The Phone Book for Northern Ireland 2003. I hope my recently adopted sister, Val Poole, finds her feet soon. She has me staggering about all over the place (well surfing the net etc). She does not know what she has started here. She must be a recently adopted relative of yours for openers 8)
I searched http://www.proni.gov.uk/ulstercovenantsearch/index.asp and discovered one Anna, three Hannahs, two Herberts (one from the Cavehill Road, Belfast), and eighty William Hanna's signed the Ulster Covenant in 1912.
Here is a recent Vincent. The only common denominator here is probably the name Vincent. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincent_Hanna
All the Best, Uncle Chris
think I am beginning to catch on here with this board.;
re the Vincent. I have always wondered where that nane poppedf up. this child Vincent (My Dads brother) sadly only lived for 4 months. But I too was wondering after who he might have been named.
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Val,
I have a box of floppy disks containing quite a lot of information that I accumulated a few years ago. I have been looking at a lengthy list of Alexanders and did a "Find" for Donegore. There are assorted Alexanders connected with families bearing the following surnames in that area - Caldwell, Ferguson, Fulton, Hunter, McAuley.
I am now in two minds - should I regret that a Taggart did not appear or heave a sigh of relief. ???
The late Judge G. B. Hanna - George Boyle Hanna married Sonia Mack of Lisburn, Co. Antrim in 1903. Here is more information on G. B. Hanna - his daughter Sophia Mary Hanna married Sir Robert McIlwaine. www.ulsterscotsagency.com/UlsterScotJan06no5.asp
Best Wishes, Chris
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Steve its taken me some time but earlier you asked if I had any information who witnessed Ann Mable's marriage to Joseph taggart. Here is what is written on the certificate
Joseph Taggart and Anna Mabel Hanna MARRIED 27 th March 1896 at Cliftonville church in the Parish of Shankill. Co Antrim.
witnesses were R.K. Livingstone and Margaret Creeman.
Did this help you. Val.
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Steve its taken me some time but earlier you asked if I had any information who witnessed Ann Mable's marriage to Joseph taggart. Here is what is written on the certificate
Joseph Taggart and Anna Mabel Hanna MARRIED 27 th March 1896 at Cliftonville church in the Parish of Shankill. Co Antrim.
witnesses were R.K. Livingstone and Margaret Creeman.
Did this help you. Val.
Hello Val,
Joseph Taggart and Anna (nee Hanna) had six children. All but Vincent appear to have been researched in that you mention the birth date and date of death of each of them except poor old Vincent who lived for only four months. No information appears beside his name. I feel this child of Joseph and Anna deserves a little bit of consideration so show a website giving the meaning of the name Vincent. I have nothing on which to base my feelings but think Vincent is an unusual name to be given to the child of a Presbyterian family. www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/1/Vincent
All the Best,
Christopher
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Thank you Val,
It is always along shot with witnesses but might throw up some leads....it has helped me in the past that way........
As for catching on Val.......we all try to help each other...slow but sure ...brick by brick.
I agree with Uncle Chris about Vincent.....
STeve
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Hi there Steve,
Uncle Chris here, great minds must think alike or it runs in the family however distant the relationship. I too have been thinking about this family this afternoon.
Joseph Taggart was born 1833 therefore his father Andrew was born around 1808. This means Andrew's father was born about 1783. This piece of information may not appear to make life much easier but there is a chance that Joseph named one of his sons after his grandfather. I do not know about you Steve but I have a gut feeling about baby Vincent. I feel that whilst he only lived four months he may well play a fairly large role in helping us solve the riddle of the Taggart family.
All the Best, Chris
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Awe Chris, I dont know why either - but my dad was always very upset about loosing this little brother. He mentioned him a lot. It must have been very traumatic to Dad when this child died. I would love to think he did not pass through this world leaving no footprints. Yes, maybe he is trying to tell us something. I do not have his date of death as yet but I do know he only lived for 4 months for sure.
val.
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Yes..I know what you mean
My childrens side have a name going back 100's of years but every root I have followed....... each child .....named this .....has died..its like they are all trying to keep a name going ........even if its many gen's apart...and wam bang...the child..or mini adult dies..... so very sad
Steve
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Hei there Val,
This is the link you require -
Taggart - from a word meaning "son of the prieSaint"
www.ncf.carleton.ca/~bj333/HomePage.boys.html now I am wondering are the Taggarts an old Celtic or Irish family since the appears in a list of Irish names for boys. Look at this next site www.myabbreviate.com/ancestor/Timeline1.htm A paragraph beginning "13th century the chief of the clan...." early in the article mentions three of the names appearing in your family tree Alexander, Galloway, and
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Hi Chris, I tried to get on the site you gave me
but it keeps coming up as the following.
Not Found
The requested URL /ancestor/Timeline1.htm was not found on this server.
Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
Val.
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Hi Val,
I am off on one of my tangents. Andrew Taggart is the brick wall. It seems he just appeared. No parents and no siblings for his father. Andrew's unfortunate children have no grandparents :'(
I decided to see if the Northern Ireland Library Service had any interesting books. http://www.ni-libraries.net I have found an author, Maurice Taggart, who appears to be a Co. Antrim man. He has written so many books about the county it appears he has a great interest in that part of Ireland. I have not been to the local library or the library Headquarters for this area which is also in the town here to see if I can find a book by Maurice. I would like to see if the cover of one of the books contains more information. I would not be surprised if the info on the cover mentions he is from East Antrim. Could he be a descendent of a sibling of Andrew's father? Like your own family who all stayed reasonably close to the Donegore area then some of the descendents of the close ancestors you have not yet found probably did the same thing.
Here's a site containing Irish artist Elizabeth Taggart, born in Donaghadee, about our age. I doubt she is related to you but thought you might be interested. www.whytes.ie/4PrintCatalogue.asp?Auction=20030916
Alll the Best, Chris
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Good a.m Mr. Tangent Man , from a very very cold Alberta. In fact it is 38 degrees BELOW freezing today with the wind chill factor so I am staying at home all day beside me wee warm computer!
Chris, do you think that author Andrew Taggart is still alive. Would there be a way I could contact him I wonder. Val.
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He He Val you daft brush, :D
Either the heat is turned up too high or Andrew's name is stuck in your mind. The author's name is Maurice. Leave it with me. I will see if I can get some information about him. Sorry Val I am an eejeet. I thought Maurice was an author. He is a photographer. If he is still alive he is probably in his seventies. The dates on the photos range from 1953 - 1998.
All the Best Chris
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Ooopsy, yer right, It is the cold weather. Poor dog ran out to do his toiletries and I swear he moved faster than I have EVER seen him move.!
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Ha Ha Val :D
Chilly on the pads of his paws I'll bet. :D I have been moving fast since receiving your message asking about Maurice. Phoned Central Library, Royal Avenue and they pointed out Maurice was a photographer. Next phone call Ballymena Library where his pictures are either on display or in storage. Watch this space for further developments 8) A little more to help fill this space. Val, I gave you some useful addresses during our chat. Please post details of the outcome here - failure or success. I am sure, like myself, everyone is keeping their fingers crossed that you manage to knock down that brickwall, find Andrew and a lot more ancestors as well.
I am sure Rootschatters in the north of Ireland will be interested to know Maurice Taggart still exhibits his photographs. He had an exhibition in the Library on the Ormeau Road last month.
All the Best Chris
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Have taken your advice and written to Ed. Mc at the B.T.
am awaiting a reply. Do hope he remembers me.
No just about to do the library email. thanks dude. Val.
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Have taken your advice and written to Ed. Mc at the B.T.
am awaiting a reply. Do hope he remembers me.
No just about to do the library email. thanks dude. Val.
Translation for those who are thoroughly msytified by Val's shorthand - Ed. Mc at the B.T. Eddie McIlwaine at the Belfast Telegraph. I have the feeling Eddie will remember her. There is something about Val. I think she is the type of person who once you meet her you will never forget her.
Val, I may not be around to post messages to you tomorrow :D
I could die laughing tonight. I found a Taggart convict sent to New South Wales in 1829. John Taggart, ploughman from Co. Antrim, received a life sentence and went to NSW on the ship "James Pattison" http://www.pcug.org.au/~ppmay/cgi-bin/db/search.cgi?query=Taggart&stpos=0&stype=AND
Chris
New Link: http://members.pcug.org.au/~ppmay/
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Would love that Taggart convict to be mine. Can't someone grant me this wish :-*
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Would love that Taggart convict to be mine. Can't someone grant me this wish :-*
Val,
I refuse to be a fairy godmother and wave my magic wand.
I might give the matter serious consideration if I may be an archimage godfather.
I have been practising my archimage magic. I have just picked up a copy of Flat 2 the Mat, an Irish motor sport magazine, dated 12th August 2005. An article in it mentions Barry Taggart. Barry is Clerk of the Course for the Lurgan Park Rally organised by the North Armagh Motorcycle and Car Club. Whilst Barry may not be one of your relations I find it fascinating noting the wide range of leisure pursuits followed by people with the surname Taggart.
"I am not sure if this person is one of my relations" No problem there Val. Ask them to do a DNA Test http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=D30146&special=True&projecttype=S
Here you go. Have a look for Taggarts in New South Wales. http://www.familysearch.org You do not need to worry about filling all the requested information. Just enter Taggart in the "last name", Australia as the "country" click "search" and as you read down the list you will notice several Taggarts in New South Wales.
I have made a slip over the name Vincent. Not a big slip though. I keep stressing to Rootschatters to keep an eye open for surname type Christian names. The name Vincent falls into this category. There were several families in Ireland with that surname at the time of Griffith's Valuation of Ireland 1848-64 http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php Now are we looking for another surname to add to an already lengthy list or was Vincent named after a much respected friend of the family? I also cross checked the Taggart and Vincent surnames to see if I could make some sense of the baby who died at the age of four months being given this Christian name. Families with these surnames lived in the same Parishes during the period 1848-64 - Belfast City, Derry, Dublin and Tyrone. http://scripts.ireland.com/ancestor/surname/index.cfm If Vincent is named after a Hanna connection one more locality Co. Armagh is placed into the equation. You are already looking at this county with your Mawhinney/Galloway connection. Betcha hadn't considered finding Taggarts there too. :D
Abrakadabra and Good Wishes,
Chris
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Hi Fairy Godfather >:(,
I tried that DNA testing site. Odd thing is that my girlfriend in Ireland went to something up at the Hospital in Belfast for exactly the same thing. They had been advertising it and looking for people so she agreed. Have not talked to her yet to see how it went and what other info she gleamed from them about all this DNA testing for genealogy. Will let ya all know.
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went on that other site you gave me
Griffith's Valuation of Ireland 1848-64 http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php
and found the following.
Taggart Joseph Freemanstown Donegore Antrim
Taggart James Browndod Donegore Antrim
Taggart James Ballynoe Donegore Antrim
Taggart Andrew Tobergill Donegore Antrim
Now how the heck to I find out if these are mine or not.
this is where I always have trouble knowing where to go when I find names.
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Get off with you Val. Uncle Chris will be prefectly acceptable. You have to be careful with the words referring to those gentle beings that used to be found at the bottom of the garden. Several innocent words have been given a totally new meaning during our lifetime.
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lol
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went on that other site you gave me
Griffith's Valuation of Ireland 1848-64 http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php
and found the following.
Taggart Joseph Freemanstown Donegore Antrim
Taggart James Browndod Donegore Antrim
Taggart James Ballynoe Donegore Antrim
Taggart Andrew Tobergill Donegore Antrim
Now how the heck to I find out if these are mine or not.
this is where I always have trouble knowing where to go when I find names.
Hi Val,
I hope you have not a lot planned for the weekend as I intend to do my best to keep you busy searching for and sorting those ancestors of yours :D. Here's hoping the weather is still cold and you are well wrapped up keeping warm at your computer. You may start by reading this useful article http://www.from-ireland.net/gene/griffithsval.htm Your task in deciding which of a long list of Taggarts is yours is made slightly easier - note the paragraph referring to a name mentioned more than once in the Valuation. It states that this may well be the same person owning more than one property. Your friend who helped you with some of the research, I wont mention her name as I do not want to embarrass her, stated that there were almost 100 Andrew Taggarts. This is not quite correct. There were probably fewer than 100 Andrews as several of them owned or leased more than one property.
There are going to be some problems tracing your ancestors in the 18th century. Read the paragraph contained in this site about the Presbyterian Church. http://www.proni.gov.uk/records/church.htm Brolen link
Is it all perfectly clear now ??? Will you be able to sort out which ones are yours by yourself ??? Dont worry Val you have some capable researchers assisting you with every means of modern technology at their disposal - ball point pens, computers, notepads, pieces of string by the yard, printers, scanners, wall paper by the roll and well licked pencils. I think that covers everything.
Val, if you decide to use wallpaper by the roll when making a family tree, make sure that beautiful puppy Brogan is not in the room at the time. The last thing you need is muddy paw marks over such a large family tree. Brogan is so adorable I feel everyone would love to see his picture. What is it with you Co. Antrim people ??? Are you competing with Steve to see which of you has the most ancestors ??? Maybe I should have another go at the Alexanders and Erskines :D . Here is another Taggart, Maggie, who sang with The Tokens Showband in the 1960s www.irishshowbands.net/bgtokens.htm
All the Best, Uncle Chris
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Val,
Robert Taggart of Carrickmacross owned 155 acres in Co. Tyrone in 1876
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~tyrone/info/landowners.html
I found eleven Taggarts who signed the Ulster Covenant in the Ballysillan Ligoniel area. I am puzzled as to why the distribution of the sexes is somewhat uneven - one man and ten women. It might be an idea to check the address in the street directory. In some of the instances this may show there was a man in the house.
Mrs Martha Taggart, 8, Legnave Street ,Ligoniel
Racel Taggart, 8, Legnave Street, Ligoniel
Lizzie Taggart, 7, Leggagh Street Ligoniel
Joseph Taggart, Billstown, Ligoniel
Jenny Taggart, 6, Primrose Street, Ballysillan
Sarah Taggart, 6, Primrose Street, Ballysillan
Rose Taggart, 3, Leggagh Street, Ballysillan
Mary Taggart, 2, Glenbank Place, Ballysillan
Lizzie Taggart 2, Glenbank Place, Ballysillan
Sarah Taggart, 7, Leggagh Street, Ballysillan
Bella Taggart, 7, Leggagh Street, Ballysillan
Jenny Taggart, 6, Primrose Street, Ballysillan
http://www.proni.gov.uk/ulstercovenantsearch/results.asp
All the Best Chris
Hi there Val,
You may have a young puppy there that needs training but this old dog here is reasonably well trained. He has been using his head :D
There are so many Taggarts in the Ballysillan area. It might be worth while having a look through the records of Ballysillan Presbyterian Church www.presbyterianireland.org/congregations/ballysillan.html Have you any idea which records Cynthia may have seen whilst she was helping you ??? There is little point in going over old ground. Which Church did the family attend whilst living at Lismoyne Park, North Circular Road?
Do you know if there is a Latter Day Saints Family History Centre (commonly known as LDS FHC) near you ??? I have just looked at www.familysearch.org and found that about 1782 Andrew Taggart married Sarah Wilson at Donegore Parish. Val, this is beginning to look like your family - in 1783 Joseph Taggart was born at Donegore Parish and you know who his parents are don't you - Andrew Taggart and Sarah Wilson. Michael Taggart Birth: 1798 ... Ireland Does not say where in Ireland but might possibly have been a much younger child of Andrew and Sarah. He died 9th Sep 1868 I also found a William born at Ballyeaston in 1794.
Val, I am getting tired so have logged off at 1.30am and gone to bed.
All the Best,
Chris
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Oh Great heavens on earth Chris, I cant believe what all you have found here. I am sorry I have not been around checking in but I am also doing some work for my daughter in her company as she is short handed so have been up to my eyes. I have printed this info of yours all off and am going to sit down and try and digest it all.
Then I shall try and find out where who fits in where on my tree. If that is at all possible.
when I was a young girl we went to Rosemary Pres. Church. North Circular Road. North Belfast. It was a new church then. Originally the old one was called Eken Hall or Ekenhall, something like that I think. Eken Head even. It is still standing almost right across the road to the The Church.
Yer a wee doll Chris. Thanks so much. Sooooooo Much. Val.
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Val
Can I stop banging my head looking for your Andrew ,can I look for your Hanna's now please.
What do you need?where shall I go ?
Steve
Steve, I love your attitude to things. You get a sore head looking for Andrew and disappear in search of Hanna's leaving me on my todd trying to find Taggarts.
Val, I am sure there is a black sheep somewhere in your family. http://www.glenravelonline.com/_downloads/glenravelonlinesite/Belfast_Timeline_1840s.pdf
In 1840 Samuel Taggart was committed to jail for trial at the next Quarter Sessions for an assault on Sarah McGeogh and Mary Ann Johnston and stealing 3s 6d. Reading this tonight makes me think of what you told me last night Valerie. Maybe the sum of money Samuel stole in 1840 was the equivalent of ....I think I have said enough :D
Have you a golfing member of the family living in the north of Ireland or is Nikki Taggart from the North Antrim Taggart family ??? http://www.irishsports.ie/dynamic/pub/Final%20Copy.pdf
Broken Links
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Nikki Taggart is my great niece. Her Dad is my nephew, and he is the same age as me so Nikki is more like an actual niece. She is wonderful and is in North Carolina right now on a golf scholarship.
How did you find her then. Browsing the internet ?
As for Samuel. Please Please let him defiantly be one of ours.!!!!!!!!!!!!! But how to prove it is another question.
No, I have not forsaken you. I have a new puppy and what with training and painting the new renovation down stairs, I have not as much time.
Thanks so much though Chris for keeping going for me and making me come back everytime I loose interest. Yer a good wee man.
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By the way, I have the most wonderful genealogy attachment very short video I would love for everyone on the Roots chat to see, how can I go about this.
I am wondering if I should send it to one of the administrators so they can put it on. Its absolutely wonderful and I know every member here will get joy from it.
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Hei Val,
That was a lovely old Ulster expression which you used when you signed off.
It appears you can take the woman out of Ulster but cannot take Ulster out
of the woman.
Try RootsChat Technical Help.
They should be able to explain how to put the video onto the board.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,285.0.html
Wednesday 8th March
You asked about putting a video on to the board. I googled "Genealogy Videos online" and am sure you and everyone following this thread will be very interested in what I found. www.familytreedna.com/videoaudio.html
www.legacyfamilytree.com
All the Best,
Chris
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Hei Val,
Michael is bound to want this guy as a member of your family although as he comes from Co. Armagh I feel he may not qualify. Michael might consider doing some research on his own to see if Co. Armagh Orangeman Brother Stanley Taggart who was iniated into a Lodge in that county in 1930 can be given a place on your family tree :D www.orangenet.org/lol110.htm Between us we will get other members of your family doing a bit of research too. It is not fair expecting you to do everything.
Val, it may appear to you that I am going off at a tangent here in looking at Taggarts apparently unrelated to you. We are stuck at the moment with Andrew, who we are assuming may have been born about 1800, and his father about the late 1770s to early 1780s. There was an old custom that the oldest children moved to a different part of the country in which they were born or even emigrated to earn a little bit of money for themselves and send some home to help feed and cloth those still living at home. They usually made their way in the world and the youngest member of the family at home inherited the farm. I am doing my best, looking back in time, to see if a thread can be found which will link us to either Andrew's father or Andrew. We need a bit of luck but maybe someone overseas in America, Australia or Canada will read this and say "Ah. Those Taggarts from Donegore, Co. Antrim may be connected to our family."
I realise it is difficult to keep your fingers crossed all the time Val but maybe when you take Brogan for a walk you could keep them crossed when holding his lead. At other times just say a little prayer that we may be able to find some of your 18th century ancestors.
Thomas Taggart (Ulster Scots Origins) Born Ireland 10th May 1728.
http://tp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/pa/northumberland/bios/taggart155gbs.txt
www.webroots.org/library/usahist/honcpa23.html
You will enjoy the story about the folk singer spotting the name Taggart on the side of a removal campany's van as well as the story of Captain Samuel Taggart
born Pittsburgh Pa. http://www.thewildgeese.com/pages/livehist.html
Mrs Edith Ashover Taggart was a member of the Ulster Senate (1968-72)
www.ark.ac.uk/elections/hnisen.htm
1856 Thomas Taggart was born in Co. Monaghan. In 1895 Thomas became the Mayor of Indianapolis for six consecutive years
www.usgennet.org/usa/in/county/orange/taggart1.htm
The Enniskillen Chronicle and Erne Packet issue of Thursday 8th January 1824 mentioned two pupils among the prizewinners at Enniskillen School (At the bottom of the article it mentions that it was Portora - Taggart Snr (Greek and Latin) and Taggart Jnr. (Arithmetic, Latin and Writing), I wonder if these two lads were borders from Donegore in Co. Antrim.
www.irelandoldnews.com/Fermanagh/18240108.html
All the Best,
Chris
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Hi Chris, just got an email from someone this a.m. giving me the following info.
This is just a shot in the dark. Grasping at straws, you all know how it is.
Trying to find the name of the parents of one Robert James Taggart who was married to Sarah McCormack and lived in glen Cottage. Legoneil. Belfast in and around the 1940's to 50's.
I would bet this is a connection to mine Chris. Any way you can wave your magic wand and find out the names of the parent of this Robert James Taggart
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Hiya Val,
I have sent messages to Colette and Anthony as they are the street directory specialists. Not much I can do now other than search the net but it might be an idea to establish how long Robert James lived in the area and whether the McCormacks also lived in the area.
All the Best,
Chris
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Evening all :)
I cant Find any Glen Cottage
So i have looked the names Taggart and McCormack/McCormick for that surounding area
Andrew J Taggart 8 Ballysillin Road
John Taggart LPSI 14 Woodvale Gardens
J A, Sgt RUC Taggart 64 Westland Road
Miss Nora Taggart 924 Crumlin road
T Taggart Chemist assistant 16 Deer park gardens
Mrs E McCormick 30 Ligoneil Road
John S McCormick 66 Westland road
Miss Margaret McCormick 929 Crumlin Road
Miss S McCormick 227 Ligoneil Road
that was in 1969 maybe Anthony can be of more help
Colette.
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Hi there Colette,
Post two more messages on the boards, then you become a Senior Member :D
Would you like a Baileys and Tia Maria to celebrate ???
All the Best,
Chris
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OHHHHHHHHHHHH i didnt even notice that Chris, think I'll pass on the Tia Maria though still recovering from the last time.
colette
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I Notice there are a Taggart and a McCormick in 64 and 66 westland Road.
There were very few MCCORMACKS and none in those areas that i could see but then again im tired tonight maybe im missing it.
colette
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OHHHHHHHHHHHH i didnt even notice that Chris, think I'll pass on the Tia Maria though still recovering from the last time.
colette
Colette,
You are a scream :D Wheee Heee Colette, you are now a Senior .
I hope you don't ask me to sing "Congratulations" :D
Will you accept a celebratory coffee ??? We have got a little bit of good news.
Anthony found Robert Taggart in his 1949 Directory of Belfast.
Robert Taggart Glen Cottages Wolfhill Road, not there in 1962?.
By the way Anthony is keeping well
All the Best, Chris
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LOL Anthony will not be keeping well if i get him wish he had of found Robert sooner im going google eyed here. ::)
;D well at least if anyone else is looking for taggarts and McCormicks i dont have to look it up again.
wolfhill Road starts from 200 and odds ligoneil road and there is a Miss M McCormick in 227 Ligoneil Road in 1969.
colette
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Colette,
Anthony's lady of the house might get you for that :D
Oh by the way, Val thanks us for our efforts to date.
Take Care,
Chris
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Hiya Val,
I have sent messages to Colette and Anthony as they are the street directory specialists. Not much I can do now other than search the net but it might be an idea to establish how long Robert James lived in the area and whether the McCormacks also lived in the area.
All the Best,
Chris
Umm Chris i think Anthony is the specialist he has loads of directories of different Years, Im all fingers and thumbs with my ONE Street directory LOL. ;D
Colette
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Good morning folks,
How are you this morning Val? The recent messages show there are a couple more Belfast Roots Chatters here to help. We seem to be short of a couple from the Co. Antrim side. Any RootsChat member from the Antrim town, Ballyclare, Donegore area of the county please post a message even if it is just to say "Hello"
Colette, I wish I had a couple of Street Directories. I borrow the 1852 one from the Library. I have to visit libraries to search through ones for other years. In the 1970s to mid 1980s I used to visit the "War on Want" bookshop in South Belfast (was it Rugby Road?), I wish I had bought street directories in those days, they had several shelves of them. Now days it is extremely difficult to find a second hand directory for sale. Does anyone know if the "War on Want" bookshop in Botanic Avenue has a couple of Directories for sale? I hope someone reads this message and lets me know where a couple of directories are available for sale.
I know the fingers and thumbs problem. Anthony has not mentioned the matter but to the best of my knowledge I think that A. and "the lady of the house" have a couple of spare sets of digits. I imagine the scene when they log on and need to do a look up in a directory..several members of the A. and "lady of the house" household, all fingers and thumbs, searching through directories racing to get their messages posted before you and I post our messages Colette. A. you and your family are doing a great job and we look forward to many more of your messages when your good lady allows you some free time.
Well I may not have a street directory. However I have frequented one or two popular Belfast hostelries in my time so I have a little book which is most suitable for an experienced imbiber - "Historic Pubs of Belfast" by Gary Law, published in 2002 by Appletree Press. The publishers are located at The Old Potato Station (isn't that a beautiful name...does anyone know more about the place) in Howard Street South, Belfast.
All the Best, Chris
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Hi Christopher Could you tell me if i can borrow street directories from the library
Thanks jennifer
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Hi Christopher Could you tell me if i can borrow street directories from the library
Thanks jennifer
Hi Jennifer,
I hope Val has no objection to us using her thread for private discussions :D
I was going to send you a Private Message, then thought others might be interested in the reply to your query.
Where are you Jennifer ??? I only know about libraries in the north of Ireland. The library I visit has a 2002 reprint of the 1852 Directory of Belfast and the Province of Ulster which may be borrowed. Some branch libraries have a current street directory for reference purposes only. Larger libraries or local education and library board headquarters usually have a set of directories covering several years but these tend to be for reference purposes only.
All the Best, Chris
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Hi
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Hi Christopher Could you tell me if i can borrow street directories from the library
Thanks jennifer
Hi Jennifer,
I hope Val has no objection to us using her thread for private discussions :D
I was going to send you a Private Message, then thought others might be interested in the reply to your query.
Where are you Jennifer ??? I only know about libraries in the north of Ireland. The library I visit has a 2002 reprint of the 1852 Directory of Belfast and the Province of Ulster which may be borrowed. Some branch libraries have a current street directory for reference purposes only. Larger libraries or local education and library board headquarters usually have a set of directories covering several years but these tend to be for reference purposes only.
All the Best, Chris
I do not object at all Chris to sharing my wee part of the board, As it is I seem to be all over the place anyway. Half of my stuff is probably in someone elses place as well):):)
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I do not object at all Chris to sharing my wee part of the board, As it is I seem to be all over the place anyway. Half of my stuff is probably in someone elses place as well):):)
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Hiya Val,
I have sent messages to Colette and Anthony as they are the street directory specialists. Not much I can do now other than search the net but it might be an idea to establish how long Robert James lived in the area and whether the McCormacks also lived in the area.
All the Best,
Chris
Umm Chris i think Anthony is the specialist he has loads of directories of different Years, Im all fingers and thumbs with my ONE Street directory LOL. ;D
Colette
Good Morning Colette,
Hope you can help :D Where is Wolfhill Road precisely and where would one find the nearest Presbyterian Churches ???
Chris
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Hiya Val,
I have sent messages to Colette and Anthony as they are the street directory specialists. Not much I can do now other than search the net but it might be an idea to establish how long Robert James lived in the area and whether the McCormacks also lived in the area.
All the Best,
Chris
Umm Chris i think Anthony is the specialist he has loads of directories of different Years, Im all fingers and thumbs with my ONE Street directory LOL. ;D
Colette
Good Morning Colette,
Hope you can help :D Where is Wolfhill Road precisely and where would one find the nearest Presbyterian Churches ???
Chris
Have no way of finding that out Chris, unless this guy contacts me back but from what he wrote me what I gave you is all that he knows. Right now I just want to find out the name of Robert Taggarts parents. The McCormick side of things is not important right now.
Thanks to all of you trying to help me. I do appreciate this. Val.
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Hi Chris 218 Ligoneil road here is Wolf hill Ave the post code is Bt14 8EU
218 ligoneil road is also the Methodist church
117 Ligoneil Road is St Marks Church
169 Ligoneil Road The Presbtery Rev T Lynch pp Tele 743401 (1969 remember).
272 Ligoneil road Here is Mill Ave
Vacant Ground
The Glen
S mcbride
The Glen Inn Publicans
Glen Cottages
Bates eric lorry driver
Vacant ground
Wolfhill service station
Here is wolfhill Road
Here is city boundry
So 272 Ligoneil Road seems to be the start of where the cottages were and 220 to 272 Ligoneil Road Post code is BT14 8DU
Colette
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Hi everyone.
Ligoniel 1911
Joseph Taggart Bricklayer 1 Springvalle Terrace Ligoniel Rd.
Hope this is of some help.
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Thank you all so very much for helping me . I am amazed and delighted how you pull together for people in my position.
Your wonderful. Thank you again. Val.
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Looking at the tree of mine I cant see where this Joseph Taggart Bricklayer of 1 springvale Terrace, fits in. Although the bricklayerbit certainly does. Can you advise me on this please, only if you have time. thanks.
2. JOSEPH3 TAGGART (JOSEPH2, ANDREW1) was born 20 Jun 1870 in Legoniel. Ballysillan.Belfast. Northern Ireland., and died 31 May 1957 in 11 Tullybrannigan Rd. Newcastle. Co. Down. N. Ireland.. He married ANNA MABEL HANNA 27 Mar 1896 in Cliftonville Pres. Church., daughter of WILLIAM HANNA and NANCY MCDOWELL. She was born in Randalstown. Co. Antrim, and died 08 Jan 1956 in 11 Tullybrannigan Rd. Newcastle. Co. Down. N. Ireland..
Children of JOSEPH TAGGART and ANNA HANNA are:
i. VINCENT4 TAGGART.
3. ii. EILEEN (EVELYN) TAGGART, b. 05 Oct 1896, legoniel. Belfast. Northern Ireland.; d. 14 May 1980, Royal Victoria Hosp. Belfast..
4. iii. JOSEPH TAGGART, b. 16 May 1899, Delhi Terrace, Ballysillan. Belfast. Northern Ireland.; d. 01 Mar 1979, Nursing Home, Whiteabbey, Co. Antrim. Northern Ireland..
iv. REGINALD WILLIAM TAGGART, b. 07 Apr 1901, Legoniel. Belfast. Northern Ireland.; d. 15 Sep 1947, Ballygally rd. Norfthern Ireland..
5. v. CLARENCE IVOR TAGGART, b. 10 Mar 1905, Legoniel. Belfast. Northern Ireland.; d. 15 Jan 1982, Alexian Brothers Nursing HOme. Warrenpoint..
6. vi. HERBERT ANDREW TAGGART, b. 16 Nov 1907, Legoniel. Belfast. Northern Ireland.; d. 30 Dec 1983, Purdysburn Hosp. Saintfield Rd. Belfast..
Thanks Val.
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Hi Robert and Colette, I was wondering if it would be too much of an imposition to ask if either of you would be visiting Proni in the near future if you could and would have time to look up information on the following.
Robert James Taggart who was married to Sarah McCormack and lived in glen Cottage. Ligoneil. Belfast in and around the 1940's to 50's.
I am trying to find out who were the Parents of this Robert Taggart.
I would be be very grateful . Val.
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Hei Val,
I have been rooting around looking for Robert. Would this be Herbert Taggart, aged about 23 (the article does not mention an age) - Herbert Taggart caused a fatal crash on the Saintfield Road when he collided with a motor cycle whilst driving without headlights. The pillion passenger, Annie Hewitt of Saintfield, died in the accident
www.glenravelonline.com/cgi/download.pl?file=Belfast_Timeline_1930s.pdf
I found three more Taggarts who attended Larne Grammar School pre the First World War and served in the army during the war. They were Robert S. Taggart who was the medical officer in charge of the 12th Battalion RIR, Alfred Charles Taggart and Thomas L. Taggart.
www.larne-in-ww1.irishgenealogy.net/Larne%20Grammar%20School%20INFO.html
Another Taggart, a surgeon, was a member of the Belfast Medical Society in the 1850s . www.users.zetnet.co.uk/jil/ums/bms/cat_1859.pdf
All the Best, Chris
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Hi Robert and Colette, I was wondering if it would be too much of an imposition to ask if either of you would be visiting Proni in the near future if you could and would have time to look up information on the following.
Robert James Taggart who was married to Sarah McCormack and lived in glen Cottage. Ligoneil. Belfast in and around the 1940's to 50's.
I am trying to find out who were the Parents of this Robert Taggart.
I would be be very grateful . Val.
Hiya Val,
Who is Robert ??? I have a bus pass and can get to PRONI at virtually no cost except shoe leather. I understand that there is a coffee machine or something similar at PRONI (Hint...hint :D)
All the Best, Chris
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Hi
Anthony and Colette, I was wondering if it would be too much of an imposition to ask if either of you would be visiting Proni in the near future if you could and would have time to look up information on the following.
Robert James Taggart who was married to Sarah McCormack and lived in glen Cottage. Ligoneil. Belfast in and around the 1940's to 50's.
I am trying to find out who were the Parents of this Robert Taggart.
I would be be very grateful . Val.
Hiya Val,
Who is Robert ??? I have a bus pass and can get to PRONI at virtually no cost except shoe leather. I understand that there is a coffee machine or something similar at PRONI (Hint...hint :D)
All the Best, Chris
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Hei Val,
I have been rooting around looking for Robert. Would this be Herbert Taggart, aged about 23 (the article does not mention an age) - Herbert Taggart caused a fatal crash on the Saintfield Road when he collided with a motor cycle whilst driving without headlights. The pillion passenger, Annie Hewitt of Saintfield, died in the accident
www.glenravelonline.com/cgi/download.pl?file=Belfast_Timeline_1930s.pdf
I found three more Taggarts who attended Larne Grammar School pre the First World War and served in the army during the war. They were Robert S. Taggart who was the medical officer in charge of the 12th Battalion RIR, Alfred Charles Taggart and Thomas L. Taggart.
www.larne-in-ww1.irishgenealogy.net/Larne%20Grammar%20School%20INFO.html
Another Taggart, a surgeon, was a member of the Belfast Medical Society in the 1850s . www.users.zetnet.co.uk/jil/ums/bms/cat_1859.pdf
All the Best, Chris
Herbert Taggart mentioned above was my Uncle. The others dont ring a bell at all Chris.
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Didn't ring a bell, eh, Val ??? Must be gatecrashers then. :D I hope someone claims some of these other Taggarts. There are so many Taggarts round here
I find it all very confusing :-
Here is another Taggart to add to my confused state..
1824 James Taggart, woollen draper, Kilrea. Co. Derry
http://www.4qd.org/bann/books/Kilrea04.html#pg45
And another Taggart:-
1875 John Taggart, coachbuilder, Church Street, Cavan
www.irelandoldnews.com/Cavan/1876/JAN.html
C.1790 John Taggart married Martha Hutchinson 1814
Issue Jas. & Alex
http://www.ancestryireland.co.uk/data/directory/Directory.pdf
Chris
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Hiya Val,
This has gone a bit quiet recently.
I have found an Andrew, a Norman and a Thomas Taggart in the 11th (Service) Battalion Royal Irish Rifles
www.1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t26377.html
All the Best, Chris
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Sorry Chris, I had to put our beautiful Collie down yesterday and to tell you the truth I can't think of anything else right now I am so very upset.
I promise I will get back on form again but right now I am hurting too much to care much about anything. Val.
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Sorry to hear the sad news Val.
I know the feeling. It is identical to losing a much loved member of the family.
Chris
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Hello Val,
How are you feeling ??? Are you still a bit low ??? I have found another Hanna ..George ..from Belfast. He was executed for desertion in 1917. It saddens me to read his story. At the moment all I know about him is he was one of four brothers who fought in WWI...the other three died in action. There was another sibling...a sister. George had not had leave for three years and was trying to get back to Belfast to see his sister. http://www.channel4.com/history/microsites/L/lostgeneration/worldwide/irish2.html
All the Best, Chris
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hi Val i see Christopher sent you a little post to cheer you up, LOL dear love him
hey Chris have you found out anything for me?
colette
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Doyle...Banbridge..is that it.. near there anyway..Colette ???
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hi chris, doyle banbridge tullylish parish and im starting to think its Gilford. sorry for stealing the thread Val.
colette :-[
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hi chris, doyle banbridge tullylish parish and im starting to think its Gilford. sorry for stealing the thread Val.
colette :-[
So you should be Colette you have your own thread :D
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Hiya Val,
I have two more Taggarts. They were polling agents at the time of the Ulster Covenant in 1912. (http://www.proni.gov.uk/ulstercovenantsearch) If you click on the arrow at the end of the Agent in Charge line and scroll down you will find Ernest E. Taggart was the agent in East Antrim, Larne area and William Taggart was the agent in the East Belfast area.
All the Best, Chris
Modified by Christopher 7 June 2007
Link to PRONI site: www.proni.gov.uk
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Any help to you Colette
David Norman Graham dies at Carrick 14/01/1881 age 45
Sargent in Antrim Artillery Militia
also buried is Benjamin Mills Taggart grandson died 30/05/1905 age 5
Steve
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LOL youve lost me wee steve im not looking for Graham or Taggart.
OHHHH that will be Val its because i put my big nose in this thread that mixed you up Steve :-[ ;D
colette
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LOL...... ;D Thought best to post the details before little old me lost them in all this paper surrounding me. :o
VAL...VAL......got a Taggart for you..........
Steve
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Changing the subject somewhat but still relevant - cos of Uncle Chris's hint! - PRONI has a canteen and I can highly recommend it. The food is brilliant and very reasonably priced at that!
saz ;D
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Living up to their reputation obviously. Taggarts banished from Antrim to Armagh by Oliver Cromwell
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Hi Steve, just been reading some of the entries here. thanks so much for keeping your eyes open for me and my Taggart's. Who did you find? Val.
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Hello Mr. Chris, and where did you get that information per chance re Oliver Cromwell :):):):)
By the way, thanks so much for the kind words re my beautiful dog friend who recently past away. Still feelding awful about it and the tears still drop often.
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Hiya Val.
A very good friend told me about Oliver Cromwell and the Taggarts ;) It throws a different light on matters. Some of the Taggarts in Arnagh may be related to your family. There were quite a number in the county at the time of Griffiths Valuations of Ireland. Some of the names in your family also appear in Armagh at that time. The Valuation took place in the county in 1864. That was one of the last Valuations which took place during the time span 1848-64.
Val, very many thanks for sharing that beautiful picture of Carrick who was such an important member of your family. It is great to see such a lovely picture on the thread where your family are being traced. Seeing Carrick helps us realise that dogs too have an important role and play a vital part in our lives. It makes a pleasant change from the usual pictures of headstones and graveyards on some of the other threads although they too have their place in helping to keep alive memories of peoples ancestors.
Chris
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hi Val
Found this the name" Norman" jumped out at me along with the Taggart
Any help to you Colette
David Norman Graham dies at Carrick 14/01/1881 age 45
Sargent in Antrim Artillery Militia
also buried is Benjamin Mills Taggart grandson died 30/05/1905 age 5
Steve
Val...glad to see you back..................what a beautiful dog :'(
Steve
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My apologies if this appears twice. I pushed the "post" button and nothing happened.
Hi everyone and Hi Val
We have been in touch before. I have been reading the posts about Val's Taggarts and can't help but wonder if my brick wall is connected.
My husband Andrew Taggart, son of Wilfred Taggart (born New Zealand), 2nd (1st son was Andrew - died WW2) son of Andrew Taggart, born Cumberland, England 1870, son of Andrew Taggart born "Belfast Ireland" about 1840 ---BRICKWALL----
The first evidence of this family is in Cumberland in 1865 when Andrew Taggart (b. 1840) and Margaret Burns give birth to their first son William. In 1870 Twins Andrew and James are born. They do not appear in 1861 census and in 1871 Margaret and the 3 boys are alone. In 1876 the complete family (Andrew & Margaret with William, Andrew and James are in New Zealand - no shipping record found so far. Robert is born 1876, David 1879 and Maggie in 1884.
There is an Andrew Taggart(b abt 1804), wife Jane and daughter Elizabeth in Cumberland in 1871. In 1881 there is an Andrew Taggart in a Workhouse in Whitehaven and he died 1883. I have his death certificate, but it does not help at all except to say born in Ireland. There is no proof that ties Andrew, Jane and Elizabeth with Andrew and Margaret.
IN 1878 Andrew (Margaret's husband)was in an area where there was a huge clearing of land for farming and there is strong evidence that he was a ploughman. By 1885 the family moved North and Andrew (born 1870) became a ploughman as he grew up.
Suggestion here is that the family were farm workers in Cumberland and/or Ireland.
Gosh its hard writing about so many Andrews! I look forward to any comments.
regards
Patricia Taggart, New Zealand
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Hello Patricia, it’s really lovely to hear from you again. Been a very long time.
Don't these Andrew's just drive you mad? Even when we chatted ages ago, we had the feeling there is a connection with both our ancestors. BUT it’s the finding of that one darn link that I am having the trouble with. I think we probably need a pair of fresh eyes that know what they are looking for. I have the same problem with my Andrews. For instance these are my Taggart’s .
What I am trying to find out is if the Taggart’s in the attachment and the Andrew’s mentioned here, are connected .
1. ANDREW1 TAGGART was born in Donegore, Antrim, and died March 11, 1886 in TamneyBreak. [sic. Tawnybrack] Co. Antrim. He married MARY SHANNON – record not yet found.
Children of ANDREW TAGGART and MARY SHANNON , baptized 1st Donegore Pres Ch., are:
2. i. WILLIAM TAGGART, b. September 20, 1821, Ballynoe. Co. Antrim
ii. ROBERT TAGGART, b. November 12, 1824, Hungry Hall, Co. Antrim.;
m. JANE MCBRIDE, March 03, 1847; b. Hungry Hall..
iii. ANDREW TAGGART, b. August 10, 1827, Drumagargan [sic. Drumagorgan];
iv. JOSEPH2 TAGGART, b. January 08, 1833, Donegore. Co. Antrim Northern Ireland..
v. MARY TAGGART, b. December 26, 1835, Donegore. Co. Antrim.
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Hiya Val,
We need a birth date plus parents and maybe siblings for Andrew who died in 1886. I wonder if your Andrew who married Mary Shannon and Patricia's Andrew born in 1804 were cousins. They were born about the same time. It is more than probable their Grandfather was an Andrew.
It is just as well there are dates of death for those Andrews. If someone else comes along with an Andrew Taggart born around the beginning of the 1800s with no birth or death certificate I will begin to wonder about him. He will be safe enough if he crossed the Atlantic to America, emigrated to Australia or something similar but if he remained in Ireland or lived somewhere in Britain I would begin to feel he had two families all with identical names including his wife. It would certainly make it easy for him when trying to remember with which family he was living with at any given moment.
All the Best, Chris
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Hi Chris, your right about needing more details on Andrew who died in 1886 but how to get it?
The challenge is out to everyone who reads this and would like to help. Chris tells me that Rootschat.com is THE BEST so lets see just how "THE BEST" it really is . L.O.L.
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Hi Chris, your right about needing more details on Andrew who died in 1886 but how to get it?
The challenge is out to everyone who reads this and would like to help. Chris tells me that Rootschat.com is THE BEST so lets see just how "THE BEST" it really is . L.O.L.
Hiya Val,
Don't think you are getting out of it that easy :D
You are a member of Roots Chat too.
How good are you at searching ???
As a matter of interest where is the Taggart
banishment from Co. Antrim by Oliver Cromwell
recorded? I feel such an event should have had
a reference so that others could look at the original.
Was the document found in the Linenhall Library,
National Archives or PRONI and why has that point
of reference not been noted?
All the Best, Chris
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Hi Val & Christopher. Was doing a wee bit of researching for Joe in Ligoniel & seen this.
Ligoniel Rd 1920
Wm Taggart 360 Ligoniel Rd.
Anthony
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Hiya Folks,
Has anyone an idea why the Taggart family were banished from Co. Antrim by Olicer Cromwell?
It feels a bit like a history class in school. Right Taggart Minnie Mouse (minimus) have you any
thoughts on this matter? I feel the only category into which the family could be placed would
be the "undertakers." I do not imagine those people who had served the crown would have
been too popular and I have an idea that Cromwell hated the Irish.
The plantation of Ulster had been entrusted to three classes of land-owner.
1. The Fnglish and Scotish "undertakers" who were required to bring in their tenants.
2. The "servitors", who had served the Crown in Ireland were allowed to take Irish
tenants and newcomers.
3. The native Irish- allowed to own land, if they were trustworthy and agreed to adopt
English farming practices. In the event, too few immigrants were attracted to Ireland,
and the undertakers found they had to accept Irish tenants
Best Wishes, Chris
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Thank you Anthony (always loved that name by the way) This was kind of you to keep me in mind. I have only one address so far for the Taggart's of Ligoniel and that was Delhi Street. Ligoniel. So I will take note of this and see if the William you have mentioned could be mine. Could well be my great grandfather.
Thank you so much again.
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No kidding Chris, I have looked as best I know how BUT I appreciate my know how could be questionable by your standards :)
Anyway, I found this the aforementioned Cromwell information just as you saw it on the attachment, on one of the message boards. However right after that my computer crashed and I lost a lot of my info. This attachment I had printed out but I lost the contact and the site it was on. attachment years ago.
Is it true? I just don't know, but looking at all the other details, names etc, they do match my ancestors names, and areas etc. So I am thinking why would it be a lie. This is what I am trying to find out though, as well as do the attachment names and dates connect to my Taggarts.
Val.
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Hei Val,
The history of the Ireland, the north of England and Scotland was packed with battles and wars from 1600 to the time when Andrew Taggart i.e. the one you originally mentioned, who married Mary Shannon, was born. There would probably have been a fair amount of toing and froing .. never mind the Settlers with their followers and the Plantationers in Ulster. We know a little bit more about the next two hundred years to the present date so people are slightly easier to find.
I feel you are attempting to take too big a leap .. it is approximately 150 years back to Cromwell's time. Take it slowly. Lets see if we can get back to that time gradually rather than attempt to come forward in a mad rush from the time of Cromwell to the 1800s. I feel it would be well nigh impossible to make a connection using such an approach. Have a little bit of patience and you will probably find those missing ancestors.
All the Best, Chris
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Well I got this information for a rootschat member.
"D., ROBERT BREWSTER TAGGART, Stated Clerk of the General Assembly of the
Presbyterian ... He was ruthlessly deprived of his office and was banished"
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Hiya Val,
I have gone the other direction in time and found a Martha Taggart (or Ray.. I am not sure why her name may be "or Ray" .. possibly she was a widow marrying for the second time). Martha married a William McAfee in Co. Antrim in 1802. http://www.bbc.co.uk/scotland/islandblogging/blogs/000019/0000000026.shtml
There were also Taggarts at Ballamoda and Clycur (next door to each other) on the Isle of Man in 1881 including 92 year old Paul Taggart who was living with his relatives at Knockrushen. I've done the subtraction. Paul was born in 1789. That was about the time give or take a year or two that the Andrew Taggarts in Ireland were born. http://www.isle-of-man.com/manxnotebook/fulltext/wernt.htm Yet another Taggart for you appears on a site about Old Time Religious Music in America, Oh Lordy, Everybody Clap your Hands, Hallelulah, Amen I found Blind Joe Taggart. At a rough guess I would say Blind Joe was probably a Negro slave at one time and the surname of his master would most likely have been Taggart. http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/864srjvk.asp?pg=2
We move from America to Co. Armagh ... the county where the Taggarts settled when banished from Co. Antrim by Cromwell. The question is did some remain in Co. Armagh. Here we have Ellen or Helen Taggart marrying a Daniel (or Donald Butters) about 1820 http://www.curiousfox.com/history_Ire/armagh.lasso
I tell you what Val, you come forwards from the time of Cromwell .. I'll work back towards the time of Cromewell and with a bit of luck we might meet. By the time we do we may have found most of your ancestors. Anyone else who has a Taggart with an Irish connection please post details. Lets endeavour to make as many Taggart links as possible.
All the Best, Chris
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Wow
You guys (and Gals) are amazing - I am going to sit in here and wait for the Taggarts to pop up. I still don't know how or when I will recognise my Andrew, but it will be fun watching.
In the meantime, I am going to try and find out more about the Andrew who died in Cumberland in 1883.
Cheers
Patricia
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Hei,
How are you progressing there Patricia? I'm back with more information already.
I don't know if it is of much use as it is about a Joe Taggart in America. It is Joe's Pennsylvanian Dutch grandfather who interests me. http://www1.cedar-rapids.net/hindman/ALTAGG.HTM Click on the Joe Taggart Video Summary and this mentions Joe's Dad's father. I wonder if the Taggart name was originally Dutch. I will forget the Dutch theory and stick to Irish or Scots. Obviously a few Taggarts settled in the Netherlands. No need to worry about them too seriously. Just bear in mind they were there. Probably a few returned with King William in 1690 and received some land in Ireland for assisting him. There's no way of proving that theory though.
I found the Taggart Family Crest site but learnt nothing new there. We already know that the Gaelic form of the name Mac an-t-sagairt means son of the priest.
Sometime in the late 1800s Maria Gribben, born in 1867 at Ballymacash, Lisburn married a Taggart
and had a son Harry. She was widowed, married a Samuel Carberry and moved to Winnipeg.
http://b4.boards2go.com/boards/board.cgi?action=read&id=1141665423&user=pfhs
The History of the Taggart family ... I do not recall this being posted on this thread. http://www.jantacc.demon.co.uk/clanhist.html Donegore is probably half way between Taggartstown near Randalstown and Taggartstown between Belfast and Antrim. Two towns with the family name ... those towns are no more than townlands today. I wonder what warrants "town" being added to a surname and imagine either several families of the same name living in the area or one family possessing several acres of land.
I am getting there Val. At the end of King Charles reign Cromwellian troops were fighting the Scottish forces of the Crown led by Major General Robert Monro in Antrim. That must have been in 1649 although there may have been some Cromwellian troops in Ireland pre his landing at Dublin. www.antrim.connor.anglican.org/timelineo1.htm These troops, with or without Cromwell, were somewhat busy in the north of Ireland as the Castle at Dromore, Co. Down was destroyed about the same time. This period in Antrim's history seems to be reasonably well recorded so that document you found about the Taggarts being banished by Cromwell must be in archives somewhere so that they may be studied by researchers.
More Taggarts for you Val. These ones are mentioned in Brown's Directory 1894 for Douglas, IoM. www.isle-of-man.com/manxnotebook/fulltext/bd1894/do_mz.htm Here are some more. Mariners, or a mariner, mentioned in Australian newspapers. www.hotkey.net.au/~jwilliams4/marine10.htm
Best Wishes, Chris
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Do not know if this is going to help you
I have been looking for shipping stuff and I keep coming across Andew Taggert for 1780's out of Belfast seems to be a ship owner transporting wood and other things like "Geneva gin",slaves ,wine etc etc......
Steve
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Wow
You guys (and Gals) are amazing - I am going to sit in here and wait for the Taggarts to pop up. I still don't know how or when I will recognise my Andrew, but it will be fun watching.
In the meantime, I am going to try and find out more about the Andrew who died in Cumberland in 1883.
Cheers
Patricia
I feel the same way patricia. How will we know if and when we do find a connection that he/she is ours.
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Do not know if this is going to help you
I have been looking for shipping stuff and I keep coming across Andew Taggert for 1780's out of Belfast seems to be a ship owner transporting wood and other things like "Geneva gin",slaves ,wine etc etc......
Steve
I have never heard any chat during my growing up years of any Taggart's being in the boating business Steve. But this sounds juicy stuff and I would love him to be one of ours At the minute and to date our Taggarts seems pretty boring and I am disappointed :):):):) Mind you there is one thing that Andrew Taggert has in common with mine and that is the booze I see! I note the spelling of the names are slightly different Steve.
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This looks interesting to me Val.
I winder how we can find more information about this guy though?
Steve do you have the link to Andrew Taggert, ship owner?
Chris
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I am a idiot...............yes it can be confirmed....................NO
I have been trying to find where I was for ME.....never mind anyone else...but definitely Andrew Taggert (spelling could be my mistake) kept poping up along with Geneva, Slaves ,Wood, Antrim, Ballyhenry,Sherard....
I shall keep trying to find where I have been..............
Steve
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Val, Steve,
I have found a William Taggart, shipright , living in Liverpool in 1832.
http://www.liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/1832Pollbook/pollt.htm
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ohhh Uncle Chirs...Liverpool was mentioned as well,but the name was Andrew ...trying to get Val to the site by pms.......ship called "Loyalty"
Have you found it yet Val
steve
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ohhh Uncle Chirs...Liverpool was mentioned as well,but the name was Andrew ...trying to get Val to the site by pms.......ship called "Loyalty"
Have you found it yet Val
steve
have found it and thank you so much, wish to heck I knew if this wasa a connection for sure. The slaves bit sounds very interresting.
Thanks so much for all the help you are giving me Steve. I do appreciate it so very much.
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Think I have caused more questions than answers with this one
Happy hunting...........think you'll need weeks to go through that lot
will post again if I find anything...
Steve ;D
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Hi everyone
I am no further along in finding my Andrew. I love the idea of the ship owner, conjures up pictures of interesting places, dangers etc. How great it would be to have a colourful character in our tree.
In 1871 my Andrew's wife and 3 sons are staying with her sister. There is no sign of him in Cumberland. Is it him in Cheshire (It was not Liverpool - I was wrong)? There is no way I can confirm that. He could of course been back in Ireland or at sea. Can't have bee too far away because his youngest sons were 11 mths and were registered by Andrew. I still would like to connect him to Andrew (the elder), his wife Jane and their daughter Elizabeth who were in Cumberland too and were also born in Belfast.
I need to find more about Andrew & Jane who married in Ireland (Elizabeth was born there).
Can someone tell me what birth and marriage records are available in Ireland, are they at PRONI, can they be obtained via the internet. I don't think I am ever going to solve this one, particularly from the other side of the world.
Patricia
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binti
this is where Val is looking http://www.ucs.louisiana.edu/bnl/Warning.html
...but it is 100 years before your Andrew....keeping looking and do not give up ...something will turn up......
Strange you say that your Taggarts came from Cumberland to Belfast then back again...I also have that happening as well...I wonder why
Steve
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binti
this is where Val is looking http://www.ucs.louisiana.edu/bnl/Warning.html
...but it is 100 years before your Andrew....keeping looking and do not give up ...something will turn up......
Strange you say that your Taggarts came from Cumberland to Belfast then back again...I also have that happening as well...I wonder why
Steve
May be they are like me and forgot where they were going to had to come back and start all over again :):):):)
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binti
this is where Val is looking http://www.ucs.louisiana.edu/bnl/Warning.html
...but it is 100 years before your Andrew....keeping looking and do not give up ...something will turn up......
Strange you say that your Taggarts came from Cumberland to Belfast then back again...I also have that happening as well...I wonder why
Steve
Thanks Steve for that link. It does help to understand where this information is coming from.
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Hi everyone
I am no further along in finding my Andrew. I love the idea of the ship owner, conjures up pictures of interesting places, dangers etc. How great it would be to have a colourful character in our tree.
In 1871 my Andrew's wife and 3 sons are staying with her sister. There is no sign of him in Cumberland. Is it him in Cheshire (It was not Liverpool - I was wrong)? There is no way I can confirm that. He could of course been back in Ireland or at sea. Can't have bee too far away because his youngest sons were 11 mths and were registered by Andrew. I still would like to connect him to Andrew (the elder), his wife Jane and their daughter Elizabeth who were in Cumberland too and were also born in Belfast.
I need to find more about Andrew & Jane who married in Ireland (Elizabeth was born there).
Can someone tell me what birth and marriage records are available in Ireland, are they at PRONI, can they be obtained via the internet. I don't think I am ever going to solve this one, particularly from the other side of the world.
Patricia
was his wife Jane Jamison
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Audrey, Hi,
Jane Jamieson?
I don't know. Can you expand more on where you got that? and do you know any more about Andrew and Jane.
regards
patricia
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Hiya Val,
I bought a 1970-1 Bangor, Co. Down, Directory, yesterday.
Nine Taggarts are listed. I am not sure whether you wish to add these people to your list.
All the Best, Chris
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Hiya Val,
Hi Chris, your right about needing more details on Andrew who died in 1886 but how to get it?
The challenge is out to everyone who reads this and would like to help. Chris tells me that Rootschat.com is THE BEST so lets see just how "THE BEST" it really is . L.O.L.
Hiya Val,
Don't think you are getting out of it that easy :D You are a member of Roots Chat too.
How good are you at searching ???
As a matter of interest where is the Taggart banishment from Co. Antrim by Oliver Cromwell recorded? I feel such an event should have had a reference so that others could look at the original. Was the document found in the Linenhall Library, National Archives or PRONI and why has that point of reference not been noted?
All the Best, Chris
Well I got this information for a rootschat member.
"D., ROBERT BREWSTER TAGGART, Stated Clerk of the General Assembly of the
Presbyterian ... He was ruthlessly deprived of his office and was banished"
References to Robert Brewster Taggart may help ....
1. Psalmody (http://www.ccel.org/s/schaff/encyc/encyc09/htm/iv.v.lxix.htm) A document from the Christian Classics Ethereal Library at Calvin College
2. Contributers and Collaborators, Volume IX (http://www.ccel.org/s/schaff/encyc/encyc09/htm/i.iii.htm) Robert Brewster Taggart, Vineland, N. J.
3. Leo determined to be rid of Photius. He (Photus) was ruthlessly deprived of his office and was banished. (http://www.ccel.org/s/schaff/encyc/encyc09/htm/ii.lxiii.htm)
This is in that document from the Christian Classics Ethereal Library at Calvin College, Val.
I'm not wildly happy about the information that particular RootsChatter gave you, Val.
William Henry Roberts, D.D., LL.D., Stated Clerk of the General Assembly of the Presbyterian Church, U. S. A.
Robert Brewster Taggart, Vineland, N. J.
I have a hunch we are going up the garden path with this particular search. I find it strange the person who posted you the information has not been following this thread and posted a message quoting their source. Was there a mention of the date when the banishment occurred or a mention of Oliver Cromwell on the message you received? Don't forget, Cromwell was in Ireland in the middle of the seventeenth century and massacred a great many people. I don't imagine too many records were kept of those who were massacred and those who were banished. What about tracking down Robert Brewster Taggart to see if he has a family tree. Calvin College (http://www.calvin.edu) may be able to assist you find him. Now, have you any other messages about Oliver Cromwell so that we can check them too? It would be great to solve this mystery.
Best Wishes,
Chris
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Hi Val.
It's been a while.
Here are a few Mawhinneys for you to mull over, perhaps they may connect with your ones.
Baptisms from the records of Carnmoney Presb., ch.
Margaret, bap 27 Nov 1858, parents, James Hagan / Janet Mawhinney.
John, bap 11 May 1857, " " " Jenny "
Jenny, bap 28 Apr 1860, " " " " "
Jane Isabella, born 8 Sept 1862, bap 9 Dec 1862, parents, James Mawhinney / Isabella Lytle
Anne, bap 15 Apr 1844, parents, James McCalmont / Mary Mawhinney.
Regards,
Dixie (Bobby Dickson)
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As Dixie has mentioned your Mawhinneys, I hope you don't mind me asking if they by any remote chance included a Martha Mawhinney who married a John Blair at St Anne's Church of Ireland on 13/1/1860?
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Hi Val.
It's been a while.
Here are a few Mawhinneys for you to mull over, perhaps they may connect with your ones.
Baptisms from the records of Carnmoney Presb., ch.
Margaret, bap 27 Nov 1858, parents, James Hagan / Janet Mawhinney.
John, bap 11 May 1857, " " " Jenny "
Jenny, bap 28 Apr 1860, " " " " "
Jane Isabella, born 8 Sept 1862, bap 9 Dec 1862, parents, James Mawhinney / Isabella Lytle
Anne, bap 15 Apr 1844, parents, James McCalmont / Mary Mawhinney.
Regards,
Dixie (Bobby Dickson)
Hello DixieDee , been ages since I heard from you and its great to do so now. Hope all has been going well for you in your research. I kind of have slackened off. Just got frustrated.
I do thank you so much for your attached info and will go right now and see if I have any connections, but just reading them as is I am not getting any bells ringing other than Carnmoney area. I do know some of our Mawhinney and Taggarts (including my own taggart partents) are there.
I have been away on a huge long vacation into 3rd world countries and am just shacking off holiday feeling so will be starting to get back on the site soon again.
Great to hear from you Bobbie.
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Here is a link to details ofthe wills of two Andrew Taggart's from Tamneybrake County Antrim
http://www.rootschat.com/links/02ud/
OTTO
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Val - I have quite a few of your names in my tree.
Isabella Hanna b 1827 of Annaloiste, Armagh [father Michael] m James Castles in Lurgan 1850
Their son William m Elizabeth McBride, b c1857, Lurgan area, father Samuel
An Alice Dixon, father George, m John Taylor, father John in Derryaghy 1882.
They were connected with the family somehow.
Think the Meharrys were too.
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Hi folks - especially all those researching Taggart surname.
I had a thread a wee while ago in the Derry section about my grandfather who was born in Limavady Workhouse with the name Jackson Taggart. Granda died some years ago and was unable to read or write. I am trying to get a copy of his birth certificate but cannot order it online becasue there is no mention of his father. His mother's name was Anne Taggart. Granda was born 1909 and then seems to have been adopted 6 mths later and given a new name. The name change came to light when he had to claim his pension. The original birth certificate may be with my uncle in Canada. Still searching but also found mention of 2 young men called Taggart who left Limavady in the late 1800s to sail to America. There is a building firm here in the Limavady/Drumsurn area where I live who are also Taggarts but have had no luck yet getting to talk to any of the older members of the family.
I am trying to find the list of names of those buried in the common grave beside Limavady Workhouse (the Roe Valley Hospital) because I wonder if my great-grandmother is buried there. There is also a small Taggart family in Coleraine.
Regards
Betty
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betty
It would seem that an Annie Cox married a Jackson Taggart in 1886 in the Londonderry area. Certificate should be available from Registrars Office in Londonderry.
Also, it should be possible to get the birth certificate for Jackson Taggart born 1909 as I can see him on an index for that year. Certificate should be available to order via GRONI or GROIE, email or phone them and explain the problem you are having with online form.
Also, a Jackson Taggart appears on the Londonderry 1901 Census. This may be worthwhile having a look at - perhaps the Library in londonderry will have a copy.
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betty
It would seem that an Annie Cox married a Jackson Taggart in 1886 in the Londonderry area. Certificate should be available from Registrars Office in Londonderry.
Also, it should be possible to get the birth certificate for Jackson Taggart born 1909 as I can see him on an index for that year. Certificate should be available to order via GRONI or GROIE, email or phone them and explain the problem you are having with online form.
Also, a Jackson Taggart appears on the Londonderry 1901 Census. This may be worthwhile having a look at - perhaps the Library in londonderry will have a copy.
I can confirm the following details from emerald ancestors: Jackson Taggart married Annie Cox on 19th July 1886 at Ballywillan Church of Ireland, in the Parish of Ballywillin, Coleraine County Antrim.
OTTO
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Dear scotmum
I found the Taggart/Cox marriage as well and it belongs to the Coleraine/Aghadowey family - is not my grandad's line. I know Jackson Taggart is fairly rare and have found very few instances of this name but that marriage had no children of that name.
Because he was born in the workhouse, I am trying to get to GRONI to look at the workhosue books (which are there) but there is a rule about 100 years having to elapse before they can be looked at for a certain year, so I might have to wait until next year to find out exactly why they were both in the workhouse and what was the circumstance that led Annie Taggart there - was she a single mother? was she widowed? left destitute? or was her husband also in the workhouse but his name not inserted on the birth certificate because we know that father's name was left blank.
Regards
Betty
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Hello Patricia, it’s really lovely to hear from you again. Been a very long time.
Don't these Andrew's just drive you mad? Even when we chatted ages ago, we had the feeling there is a connection with both our ancestors. BUT it’s the finding of that one darn link that I am having the trouble with. I think we probably need a pair of fresh eyes that know what they are looking for. I have the same problem with my Andrews. For instance these are my Taggart’s .
What I am trying to find out is if the Taggart’s in the attachment and the Andrew’s mentioned here, are connected .
1. ANDREW1 TAGGART was born in Donegore, Antrim, and died March 11, 1886 in TamneyBreak. [sic. Tawnybrack] Co. Antrim. He married MARY SHANNON – record not yet found.
Children of ANDREW TAGGART and MARY SHANNON , baptized 1st Donegore Pres Ch., are:
2. i. WILLIAM TAGGART, b. September 20, 1821, Ballynoe. Co. Antrim
ii. ROBERT TAGGART, b. November 12, 1824, Hungry Hall, Co. Antrim.;
m. JANE MCBRIDE, March 03, 1847; b. Hungry Hall..
iii. ANDREW TAGGART, b. August 10, 1827, Drumagargan [sic. Drumagorgan];
iv. JOSEPH2 TAGGART, b. January 08, 1833, Donegore. Co. Antrim Northern Ireland..
v. MARY TAGGART, b. December 26, 1835, Donegore. Co. Antrim.
Hi Patricia, just checking in with you to see if our Andrew's have connected yet. I have not found anything as yet but I just know they are related. Proving it is hard though.\
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Here is a link to details ofthe wills of two Andrew Taggart's from Tamneybrake County Antrim
http://www.rootschat.com/links/02ud/
OTTO
Just found these two Taggart you brought to my notice are mine and I thank you so much. Better late than never eh Otto.
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I am Taggart, I'm holding most of the same info and i was wondering if anything led you to the branch of Scottish taggarts? probably based in the Glasgow/ renfrewshire area??? is ur Andrew Taggart the Captain Taggart of the New loyalty?? it seems that this captain (if the same as yours) was heavily involved in the shipmeant of goods from ireland to Britain, however there seems to quite a few entries to Captain Taggarts shipping via Belfast to liverpool- liverpool to Africa- Africa to Jamaica then home to liverpool? he was defo working for a group of agent who were (to begin with) interested in the spoils of rum, sugar and tobacco. does this ring any bells???
Although I am a Taggart myself i am also a genealogist by trade and am researching the family on behalf of another taggart who is desperately tring to fill some gaps!
Lookforward to hearing from you
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I feel as though I'm late to dinner with these posts for Taggart. I would be interested in anyone still following posts or new/more information. I recently discovered my 2x's great grandmother Mary Ann Taggart. I believe she was born in Northern Ireland approx 1836 (date based on other documents). She was married to Thomas Wright Vennard June 3, 1846 in the Tartaraghan Parish Church (shows as Taggert & Venert). Mary Ann lists her father as Francis Taggart & mother as Ann Baxter. Her spouse Thomas became an missionary for United Presbyterian Church in Northmavine Shetlands in 1881 while she shows as a missionaries wife in Crossmyloof, Cathcart. I'm not sure when they left Tartaraghan but I do know my great grandfather Thomas Vennard was born there July 13, 1853.
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Hi I have not yet managed to read through all the posts in this thread but so far I have not found much about the Taggarts c1830 or earlier.
I have an interest because my earliest known Gawn ancestor had a son John Tilly Gawn b1795 in Donegore and lived in Kilbride, who married a Catherine Fletcher in 1826. One of their daughters was named Jane Taggart Gawn b1844. I have no idea of where the Taggart connection lies but there must be one.
So in the interests of broadening the Taggart pool form around this time I have a few First Donegore marriages that may be useful. Sorry if someone has already mentioned and eliminated these, in the middle pages of this thread;
Francis Taggart of Ballynoe married 17 Nov 1821 to Rachel Warwick of Tobergill.
Mary Taggart of Ballynoe married 28 Nov 1821 to Israel Greer of Ballywoodock
William Taggart of Ballynoe, married 14 Oct 1829 to Esther Scott of Ballynoe
John Taggart of Tobergill, married 29 Mar 1844 to Jane Ellison of Tobergill.
Cheers
Linda
My Templepatrick/Donegore families= Graham, Wiley, Courtney, Lynn, Gawn
with links to Alexander, Ferguson, Barron.
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I just posted the earlier marriages but one that may be of interest to Taggart009 is a later marriage at Parkgate
Mary Taggart of Tobergill, daughter of Andrew a farmer, married on 29 Oct 1858 to Samuel Agnew of Donegore, servant and son of Robert Agnew, a farmer. Witness Mary Ann Taggart and Joseph Taggart.
Cheers
Linda.
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Thank you for your update. Your information for Francis Taggart marrying Rachel Warwick matches my brother's belief although your date is couple months different. His belief is "On Mary Ann Taggart's death record it is stated Ann Baxter is her mother whom Francis married in 1822, however, Mary Ann Taggart's first child is named Rachel seemingly after Rachel Warwick whom Francis married Sep 17 1821. Francis married Anne Morrison Oct 17 1824 and his first wife was Jane McQuillan. I'm considering that Rachel was Mary Ann Taggart's biological mother, hence the child Rachel and that Ann Baxter was Francis' last wife, hence her mention to be being Mary Ann Taggart's mother on Mary Ann's death certificate." I know that this all might come together one day but for now, I'm still digging and appreciate all the posts.
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Hi Taggart hunters.
I have checked my sources for the Francis Taggart marriage to Rachel Warwick and it still says the marriage was November 1821. Witnesses were Samuel Warwick of Tobergill and Duffin Carson of Balee near Ballymena.
I tried the link to the two Taggart wills but it didn't work so I have gone to the PRONI site. I see the later Andrew Taggart refers to his mother being still alive and I assume she is the Isabella nee Hamilton who was the widow of the Andrew Taggart who died 11 Mar 1886. Also said Isabella was not guilty of immorality --- oh my mistake, actually it was Andrew junior who was concerned about his widowed wife's morality after he died.
Still not the generation I am interested in but getting there!
Cheers
Linda
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I have access to Ancestry so I have just looked up Andrew Taggart married to Isabella Hamilton and the marriage took place in Cairncastle on 7 Dec 1854. Andrew was the son of William Taggart and Isabella the daughter of Hill Hamilton.
The Will of Andrew Taggart who died 11 Mar 1886 names his wife as Isabella nee Hamilton.
The Will of Andrew Taggart late of Tamneybrake County Antrim Farmer and Flax Mill Owner who died 11 March 1886 at same place was proved at Belfast by William Patrick of Glencairn in said County and Joseph Smyth of Tamneybrake Farmers the Executors.
If this is the same Andrew who you say died 11 Mar 1884, then Isabella must be his second wife.
Cheers
Linda
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Sorry I was in the middle of writing another post when it disappeared on me. I was saying I had not throughly read through the 1886 Will of Andrew Taggart, so had missed the bit where he named David Taggart, Isabella Taggart and Ann Jane Taggart as children of his first marriage.
Gone again but this time I found my partially written post so can continue on.
I was also about to say that I have bow gone back to the first post and see the original date of death was 1886 not 1884. Sorry about getting that wrong but I cannot post and see earlier posts at the same time.
Anyway back to the Will, it also names a son as Hill Taggart who had a son Andrew. This Hill Taggart must be from the second marriage.
Not sure about Christopher Taggart who was also named but I assume the two sons who inherited the farm, Robert and Andrew were also from the first marriage. The remaining son Andrew snr named was William who was also presumably from the first marriage.
I think that is all the info I can draw from the will.
An Andrew Taggart appears in the 1796 Flax growers listing so is probably related to the above Andrew who had a flax mill.
Cheers
Linda
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More from Ancestry
There is a Greer public tree in Ancestry which belongs to the Mary Taggart & Israel Greer marriage in 1821. That Mary Taggart was the daughter of Andrew Taggart (1762-1849) and Sarah Wilson.
This may be the Andrew Taggart in the flax growers list. He could very well be a brother of William Taggart who was the father of the original Andrew, generation one in the original post
Andrew's son Andrew Taggart b1795 Donegore, married Agnes Montgomery.
LMGNZ
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Just restating the children of Andrew Taggart as now known.
1. ANDREW1 TAGGART was born in Donegore, Antrim, and died March 11, 1886 in TamneyBreak. [sic. Tawnybrack] Co. Antrim. He married MARY SHANNON – record not yet found.
Children of ANDREW TAGGART and MARY SHANNON , baptized 1st Donegore Pres Ch., are:
2. i. WILLIAM TAGGART, b. September 20, 1821, Ballynoe. Co. Antrim
ii. ROBERT TAGGART, b. November 12, 1824, Hungry Hall, Co. Antrim.;
m. JANE MCBRIDE, March 03, 1847; b. Hungry Hall..
iii. ANDREW TAGGART, b. August 10, 1827, Drumagargan [sic. Drumagorgan];
iv. JOSEPH2 TAGGART, b. January 08, 1833, Donegore. Co. Antrim Northern Ireland..
v. MARY TAGGART, b. December 26, 1835, Donegore. Co. Antrim.
NEW: James Taggart, 21 Jul 1841, Tobergill,
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Soemhow this post got cut off in the middle so to continue with children of Andrew:
NEW: vii James Taggart, born 21 Jul 1841, Tobergill, bapt 4 Aug 1841, 1st Donegore. baptism notes he was son of Mary Shannon.
David, Isabella and Ann Jane, probably born between Mary in 1835 and James in 1841, as they are named as children of Andrew's first marriage. Possibly also Christopher.
Mary Taggart nee Shannon presumably died between 1841 and 1854.
1854 Andrew married Isabella Hamilton, daughter of Hill Hamilton.
? Hill Taggart born soon after 1851 as he was married and had a son Andrew by 1886.
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There are a lot of trees on Ancestry for the Taggarts of Donegore that show totally different people as descendants of the same families, some of them seem full of guesswork!
You mentioned Mary, daughter of Andrew Taggart as being the one who married Israel Greer.
Another possibility is that the Mary in question was my 2xgreat grandmother who married William McDowell in Antrim in 1826. As her second born son was called Andrew, the traditional naming pattern would indicate her father's name was Andrew and she was definately part of the Donegore connection as that was their burial place. No tree on Ancestry seems to be aware of her existence.
One tree on Ancestry has Mary, daughter of Andrew Taggart and Sarah Wilson as dying in 1837 in County Antrim before the rest of the family emigrated. That would fit in perfectly with my Mary McDowell as her last known child was born in 1836.
I can't categorically say which Mary was which but there does seem to be a few Andrew Taggarts around at that time in the same vicinity.
I'm hoping a DNA match might uncover which Taggart family is indeed mine.
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For health reasons I am no longer to able to figure out where findings fit in ,y past research. Is there anyone out there that would be willing to take my tree which is pretty good so far and fill in the gaps from the research findings on this forum. I know a few of you have very kindly submitted findings which I know are related to my Taggart tree, but my concentration now is such that I can not work out who fits in where.
Any offer of help would be greatly appreciated. Valerie.
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Hi Rosniak and Val,
Val I am sorry to hear you have health problems. I do not have any Taggarts in my tree just one person with Taggart as a second name, so I should not be the one to take over.
Yes Rosniak, I did have my doubts about some of the entries on Ancestry. For one, there is a tree where the Robert who inherited the farm from Andrew (see the 1886 will) had emigrated to the USA and died in 1870, 16 years before his father.
It was the Greer family tree that claimed the Mary Taggart who married Israel Greer. I have that 1821 Greer/Taggart marriage from a source outside Ancestry so I do believe this Mary married a Greer. In the Greer tree she is the daughter of an Andrew Taggart and Sarah Wilson. That information does not come from the 1st Donegore marriage as it does not name her father but Francis Taggart of Ballynoe and James Charters of Donegore were witnesses. I think Val has more information on Francis than has appeared in this thread. Certainly if Mary who married in 1821 was the dau of Andrew and Sarah, then from memory she was close to 40 when she married.
One thing I did note was that none of the trees in Ancestry seemed to have Vals Andrew's second marriage to Isabella Hamilton. That marriage entry gives Andrew's father as William which appears to be new information to most trees.
If anyone does take over from Val, then perhaps they need to start new thread as this one is so long it is hard to keep track. Which is why I tried to restate the family of Andrew as now known.
There was a professional researcher earlier in this thread who was researching Taggart. Maybe she is still watching. ;)
Cheers
Linda
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Not sure if Mary Ann Taggart who lists father as Francis Taggart is connected to anyone else but thought I'd post what I've found just in case it helps. I've found Birth record for a Francis Taggart on Oct 13, 1797. Record from Shankill St Anne's in Co. Antrim. This birth record lists Francis' parents as Francis and Eliza. Dates can fit for Mary Ann as she was born approx 1821-4 and Antrim so close to Armagh. All the posts are helping me out so I am incredibly thankful to all who are posting.
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I believe I've found my Mary Ann Taggart living in Finiston/Stobcross Street area Parish of Barony on 1841 Scottish census. Census lists Widow Taggart, 40 yrs; Hellen Taggart, 15 yrs Power Loom Weaver; Mary Ann Taggart, 12 yrs Power Loom Weaver; Isabella Taggart, 9 yrs; Sarah Taggart, 7 yrs. Widow, Hellen and Mary Ann all indicated to be born in Ireland while Isabella & Sarah born outside of Scotland for census purpose. I believe this is same Mary Ann Taggart family due to naming standards, occupation in weaving, location as future generations born nearby & Mary Ann moved back to same area sometime between 1853 & 1881. If I am correct, this means Francis Taggart had died before 1841 census. The ages of all are likely inaccurate because everyone over 15 was rounded down to nearest age in multiples of 5. So based on this, I am assuming that Mary Ann had sisters Hellen, Isabella and Sarah. I wonder if anyone has these names in their trees?
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I have now got a DNA match which would suggest that my Mary Taggart (who married William McDowell) is indeed the child of Andrew Taggart and Sarah Wilson. In order to be totally sure of this it would be great to hear if any other descendants of this family have tested. If anyone has taken a test please feel free to send me a private message and we can compare results.
Thanks!
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Haven't read all through this long thread but an LDS tree shows Mary, daughter of Andrew Taggart & Sarah Wilson, marrying a William Morgan-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:365S-T8Y
An extracted marriage (1858) shows a Mary, daughter of Andrew Taggart, married Robert Agnes but of course Irish civil records don't list details of mothers.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGZS-44P
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Of the taggarts below, some are in my family tree (3 Leggagh St) etc.
My understanding is that Rose (Rosina's) husband James Taggart had an earlier marriage) before hers.
If anyone has info I'd be happy to hear more...
Val,
Robert Taggart of Carrickmacross owned 155 acres in Co. Tyrone in 1876
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~tyrone/info/landowners.html
I found eleven Taggarts who signed the Ulster Covenant in the Ballysillan Ligoniel area. I am puzzled as to why the distribution of the sexes is somewhat uneven - one man and ten women. It might be an idea to check the address in the street directory. In some of the instances this may show there was a man in the house.
Mrs Martha Taggart, 8, Legnave Street ,Ligoniel
Racel Taggart, 8, Legnave Street, Ligoniel
Lizzie Taggart, 7, Leggagh Street Ligoniel
Joseph Taggart, Billstown, Ligoniel
Jenny Taggart, 6, Primrose Street, Ballysillan
Sarah Taggart, 6, Primrose Street, Ballysillan
Rose Taggart, 3, Leggagh Street, Ballysillan
Mary Taggart, 2, Glenbank Place, Ballysillan
Lizzie Taggart 2, Glenbank Place, Ballysillan
Sarah Taggart, 7, Leggagh Street, Ballysillan
Bella Taggart, 7, Leggagh Street, Ballysillan
Jenny Taggart, 6, Primrose Street, Ballysillan
http://www.proni.gov.uk/ulstercovenantsearch/results.asp Broken link
All the Best Chris
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Welcome to Rootschat, Jo :)
I skimmed through all 20 pages of this thread (mostly nonsense) and didn't notice anything about your James & Rose. So, starting from scratch-
James Taggart, wife Rose and family in 1911- Rose born Devonshire, married 3 years with 2 living children (Maggie & Norah). Seven Nicholls children listed as step-children of James'
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Shankill/Legagh_Street/171508/
James Taggart married Rose Nicholls in Sept.1908- both married previously and her father William Parsons-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1908/10061/5659120.pdf
Rose & previous husband John Nicholls in 1901- note eldest son born Dublin-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Shankhill/Gordon_Street/978520/
Husband John Nicholl died June 1908- remember that she re-married a few months later (September)-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1908/05498/4540227.pdf
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I had the info from the census but many thanks for the link to the Irish Genealogy site, that is going to be very helpful. 😁
I'm hoping to get a bit of a link to the first Taggart Family. But good to know that one of her 3 husbands dies of natural causes lol, was starting to wonder... 🤣🤣🤣
I feel a long day of searches coming up.
Thanks again,
Jo
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Hi, I'm Jo
The Rose Taggart at 3 Leggagh Street is my great grandmother, she was born Rosina Parsons, married to a Nicholl, had a rake of kids, was widowed, then marries again to James Taggart, and they had 3 more kids (one of which was my gran). My Aunt thought it was his second family...
In case that helps...
Jo.
Val,
Robert Taggart of Carrickmacross owned 155 acres in Co. Tyrone in 1876
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~tyrone/info/landowners.html
I found eleven Taggarts who signed the Ulster Covenant in the Ballysillan Ligoniel area. I am puzzled as to why the distribution of the sexes is somewhat uneven - one man and ten women. It might be an idea to check the address in the street directory. In some of the instances this may show there was a man in the house.
Mrs Martha Taggart, 8, Legnave Street ,Ligoniel
Racel Taggart, 8, Legnave Street, Ligoniel
Lizzie Taggart, 7, Leggagh Street Ligoniel
Joseph Taggart, Billstown, Ligoniel
Jenny Taggart, 6, Primrose Street, Ballysillan
Sarah Taggart, 6, Primrose Street, Ballysillan
Rose Taggart, 3, Leggagh Street, Ballysillan
Mary Taggart, 2, Glenbank Place, Ballysillan
Lizzie Taggart 2, Glenbank Place, Ballysillan
Sarah Taggart, 7, Leggagh Street, Ballysillan
Bella Taggart, 7, Leggagh Street, Ballysillan
Jenny Taggart, 6, Primrose Street, Ballysillan
http://www.proni.gov.uk/ulstercovenantsearch/results.asp Broken link
All the Best Chris
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Just posting in case it helps.
The Nora Taggart below is my great Aunt, daughter of James Taggart and Rose.
Evening all :)
I cant Find any Glen Cottage
So i have looked the names Taggart and McCormack/McCormick for that surounding area
Andrew J Taggart 8 Ballysillin Road
John Taggart LPSI 14 Woodvale Gardens
J A, Sgt RUC Taggart 64 Westland Road
Miss Nora Taggart 924 Crumlin road
T Taggart Chemist assistant 16 Deer park gardens
Mrs E McCormick 30 Ligoneil Road
John S McCormick 66 Westland road
Miss Margaret McCormick 929 Crumlin Road
Miss S McCormick 227 Ligoneil Road
that was in 1969 maybe Anthony can be of more help
Colette.
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Hi
I'm just back into the family tree and getting corroborating evidence for my progress so far. My viewing of the James Taggart/Rose Nicholl marriage cert again made me Google search his address and ended up in this thread.
I did my dna. (dad's is due shortly) so I'm hoping his will lead to some connections.
It's pretty addictive. 🙂
Welcome to Rootschat, Jo :)
I skimmed through all 20 pages of this thread (mostly nonsense) and didn't notice anything about your James & Rose. So, starting from scratch-
James Taggart, wife Rose and family in 1911- Rose born Devonshire, married 3 years with 2 living children (Maggie & Norah). Seven Nicholls children listed as step-children of James'
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Shankill/Legagh_Street/171508/
James Taggart married Rose Nicholls in Sept.1908- both married previously and her father William Parsons-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1908/10061/5659120.pdf
Rose & previous husband John Nicholls in 1901- note eldest son born Dublin-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Shankhill/Gordon_Street/978520/
Husband John Nicholl died June 1908- remember that she re-married a few months later (September)-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1908/05498/4540227.pdf
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Hi Jo,
I have just noticed your post regarding your DNA test and will send you a private message regarding that.