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Title: Hyder family in East Kent about 1750-1820. Mary and husband William
Post by: doverrog on Tuesday 03 June 08 13:30 BST (UK)
Hello,
I'm trying to find the parents of Mary Hyder and her husband William Matson who married on the 14th October 1781 at St. Leonard's Church, Deal.
I know that William owned Upper Deal Mill and was both a miller and baker.
I've been looking around for any Matsons who were Millers and have found a possibility -
William MATSON (son of James MATSON of St Margaret's at Cliffe, yeoman)  by Indenture 1 May 1714 with consent of his father was apprenticed to Robert HATTON of Dover, Baker, for 7 years;  consideration £15 paid to the master. Enrolled 4 Jan 1714-15  (Dover Apprentice Enrollments, Kent Co. Archives)
A William Matson (Baker) is made a Freeman of Dover on the 26th July 1722 by apprenticeship (Folio 3).
Could it be possible that William Matson (a Baker and Miller at Upper Deal) who was married to Mary Hyder in 1781, and therefore probably born about 1755-60, may be the grandson of the William referred to in the above indenture?
William Matson (the one in the indenture) was christened 15th December 1695 at St. Lawrence, Hougham. Can anyone help with a record of his marriage and any records of children, hopefully including the father of William the miller from Upper Deal? Perhaps his wife's origin may also be a clue?
Perhaps we can solve the mystery.
All help gratefully received.
Title: Re: Hyder family in East Kent about 1750-1820. Mary and husband William
Post by: Bill749 on Tuesday 03 June 08 19:02 BST (UK)
Hi Rog

In case you don't already know, Dover library has all the local parish records, including (I think) Hougham, and Deal library has them for their churches.

Bill
Title: Re: Hyder family in East Kent about 1750-1820. Mary and husband William
Post by: doverrog on Wednesday 04 June 08 11:29 BST (UK)
Hi Rog

In case you don't already know, Dover library has all the local parish records, including (I think) Hougham, and Deal library has them for their churches.

Bill

Thanks Bill.
Title: Re: Hyder family in East Kent about 1750-1820. Mary and husband William
Post by: tkw on Sunday 09 November 08 22:48 GMT (UK)
Hello,

I have posted some information on William Matson and Mary Hyder at http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,306781.0.html

Mary Hyder is the daughter Thomas Hyder and Ann Burville.  She is the eldest of 6 known children.

Thomas Hyder/Hider and Ann Burville were married by Banns on 29 Oct 1759 at St Marys, Hinxhill, Kent England.  Witneses Richard Hider, John Andrews

Thomas Hyder/Hider (b.circa 1731, d.1 Nov 1813, buried Charing, Kent) - son of Thomas Hyder/Hider - b.c1700 - d.19 Mar 1777, buried Hothfield, Kent) and Mary unknown (b.c.1694 d.17 May 1775 Hothfield)
- only brother of Richard Hyder b.c.1737 - d.12 Apr 1809, buried 17 Apr 1809 Hothfield, unmarried (with parents)) 
- married Ann Burville (b.c.1733 - d.9 July 1795 Charing - parents unknown) by Banns on 29 Oct 1759 at St Marys, Hinxhill, Kent England.  Witneses Richard Hider, John Andrews

Children
1. Thomas HYDER-29795 (b.Est 1731-Of Bethersden,Kent,England d.1 Nov 1813-Charing,Kent,England)
sp: Ann BURVILL-29850 (b.Est 1733-Of Hinxhill,Ashford,Kent,England m.29 Oct 1759 d.9 Jul 1795-Charing,Kent,England)
  |-2. Mary HYDER-29851 (b.Abt 1760-Bethersden,Kent,England d.Jan 1845-Deal,Kent,England)
  | sp: UNKNOWN-31837
  | sp: William MATSON-29856 (b.Est 1764-Of Deal m.13 Oct 1781 d.Oct 1826-MIddle Street,Deal,Kent,England)
  |-2. Richard HIDER-24138 (b.Abt 1761-Of Molash,Kent,England)
  | sp: Elizabeth -24139 (b.England)
  |-2. Thomas HYDER-29797 (b.Abt 1762-Bethersden,Kent,England d.22 Dec 1845-Charing,Kent,England)
  | sp: Mary HODGES-29794 (b.Est 1766-Of Smarden,Kent,England m.27 Dec 1784 d.22 Oct 1831-Charing,Kent,England)
  |-2. Ann HYDER-29852 (r.28 Apr 1765-Bethersden,Kent,England d.Bef 1811)
  | sp: DUFFY-31179
  | sp: Thomas LOFTUS-29869 (b.Est 1752 d.13 May 1804-Charing,Kent,England)
  |-2. Catherine HYDER-29854 (r.2 Oct 1768-Bethersden,Kent,England d.Aug 1815-St Georges,Deal,Kent,England)
  | sp: Thomas BAYLEY-1359 (b.Est 1761-Kent,England d.Dec 1842-Deal,Kent,England)
  +-2. Elizabeth HYDER-29855 (r.29 Mar 1772-Bethersden,Kent,England d.23 Apr 1842-Ashford,Kent,England)
    sp: Richard SLAUGHTER-29873 (b.Abt 1775-Ashford,Kent,England m.11 Mar 1799 d.17 Sep 1811-Charing,Kent,England)

Regards
Thorby
Title: Re: Hyder family in East Kent about 1750-1820. Mary and husband William
Post by: Sluggie on Tuesday 25 November 14 05:07 GMT (UK)
thomas hyder born 1732 baptised in selling kent england on 28th nov 1732 was the son of EDWARD and ANN hyder. 
edward born 5th nov 1698 selling kent england baptised 15th nov 1698
Title: Re: Hyder family in East Kent about 1750-1820. Mary and husband William
Post by: doverrog on Tuesday 25 November 14 14:08 GMT (UK)
That's interesting as it may give some info which goes back further for the Hyder family.
It raises a possible problem with the data we have though as we have Thomas Hyder born abt 1700 marrying Mary... and having two known children Thomas born 1731 and Richard born about 1737.
I wonder if the two Thomas Hyders are the same person?
If they're the same people then perhaps Thomas Hyder, born 1732 and married to Ann Burville was not the son of Thomas Hyder and Mary but Edward and Ann Hyder.
Perhaps Thomas Hyder, born about  1700 an married to Mary had a brother named Edward?
Title: Re: Hyder family in East Kent about 1750-1820. Mary and husband William
Post by: Sluggie on Tuesday 25 November 14 23:09 GMT (UK)
EDWARD HYDER snr  bap.5th dec 1669 Ashford Kent (son of Thomas Hyder and Mary Austen) died 16th feb 1728 Selling Kent England aged 59 yrs (i have a copy of his will) occupation: Butcher,  married on 8th july 1694 Chilham Kent England to JANE HUKINS bap.13th sept 1674 Chilham Kent England buried on 23rd feb 1742 Selling Parish Canterbury England (daughter of William & Jane Hukins), I also have a gravestone picture of this family stating their children etc, their children all born Selling Kent:

MARY bap.5th april 1697 Selling Kent England
WILLIAM born 3rd june 1695 Selling Kent England bap.13th june 1695 Selling Kent England, died 25th feb 1712 buried 28th feb Selling Kent England
THOMAS bap. 12th Jan 1700 Selling Kent England
ALICE bap. 9th sept 1702 Selling Kent England
EDWARD HYDER Jnr born 5th nov 1698 Selling Kent England bap.15th nov 1698 Selling Kent England married  Ann ?? (can not find a record for their marriage so dont know her last name), one of their children:

THOMAS HYDER bap.28th nov 1732 at Selling Kent England died 1st nov 1813 Charing Kent occupation carpenter, married on 29th oct 1759 Hinxhill Kent England to Ann Borville/Burvile/Burvill born abt 1731 died 9th july 1795 buried on 16/7/1795 at Charing Kent England aged 64 yrs,

Edward Snr and his wife all had children born in Selling Kent they died there and and same with edward Jnr and his wife Ann, their children were all born at Selling Kent, no children were born at HOTHFIELD


Inscription of Edward Snr and Jane Hyder's tombstone at Selling Kent England:
Here lieth the Body of Edw: Hyder late of this Parish who had issue by Jane his wife, 3 Sons & 2 Daugh: he died Feb 16: 1728. Aged 59 Y. This Stone was Erected by Jane his wife. Also the Body of Will: Hyder at the right hand of his Father. Edw. Hyder & Jane his wife he died Feb 25th 1712. Aged 16 Years 9 m. and by him/ lieth his 2 sisters Viz: Mary & Alice
Title: Re: Hyder family in East Kent about 1750-1820. Mary and husband William
Post by: doverrog on Thursday 27 November 14 15:21 GMT (UK)
Thanks for the really good information. My research is into the Matson family, but it's good to have the info on where other families link in.
Mary Hyder (1750-1845), daughter of Thomas Hyder and Ann Burville, married William Matson (1762-1826) in 1781 in Deal.
Title: Re: Hyder family in East Kent about 1750-1820. Mary and husband William
Post by: redtonyt on Thursday 27 November 14 18:47 GMT (UK)
Have you checked the baptisms of children to William and Mary Matson in Deal? ???

The reason I ask is there are a series of such between January 1784 and December 1801.  If all of these are from the same father and have the same mother (i.e. Mary Hyder) born in 1750 you may understand the reasoning behind my query.  ???

A concerned,
Tony  :-\
Title: Re: Hyder family in East Kent about 1750-1820. Mary and husband William
Post by: redtonyt on Thursday 27 November 14 19:12 GMT (UK)
Hi doverrog,

Sorry.

Having re-read all the other postings was it a typo in your last posting and 1750 should read 1760?

Tony  :-[
Title: Re: Hyder family in East Kent about 1750-1820. Mary and husband William
Post by: doverrog on Friday 28 November 14 17:35 GMT (UK)
Hi doverrog,

Sorry.

Having re-read all the other postings was it a typo in your last posting and 1750 should read 1760?

Tony  :-[

Hello Tony.
Well spotted. Sorry about the typo. I have confirmed that Mary Hyder was christened 4th May 1760 and this is included in two of my source records.
Title: Re: Hyder family in East Kent about 1750-1820. Mary and husband William
Post by: redtonyt on Tuesday 02 December 14 19:05 GMT (UK)
For what it is worth I looked at the Allegation and Bond prepared for the Licence when William Matson married Mary Hyder.  ???

The basic information was,
William Matson  of Deal, Baker and a Bachelor aged 21 and upwards.
Mary Hyder of Deal a Spinster aged 21 and upwards.

Not much help, I am afraid.  :(

Tony
Title: Re: Hyder family in East Kent about 1750-1820. Mary and husband William
Post by: doverrog on Wednesday 03 December 14 13:40 GMT (UK)
Thanks RedTonyT.
Every little bit helps.
Title: Re: Hyder family in East Kent about 1750-1820. Mary and husband William
Post by: redtonyt on Wednesday 10 December 14 20:45 GMT (UK)
I was wondering if you had found the birth/baptism of William Matson yet?  If not, have you considered the one born at Ripple and baptised on 27 January 1757 the son of John and Anne nee Upton?  ???

This William had siblings as follows:-
John 1747 baptised at Walmer 5 July
Elizabeth 1749 Walmer
Anne 1750 Walmer
Robert 1751 Walmer
Mary 1753 Ripple
Mary 1754 Ripple
William himself as above
Sarah 1759 Ripple
Susanna 1762 Walmer
Hannah 1765 Walmer

I also found the following Settlement Certificate,

John Matson and wife Ann, and John Matson their son, from Ripple 1 Sep 1747 to Walmer.

Not overly familiar with such, but somebody may be able to explain the timing!  ???

Whether the marriage date has any particular significance but John Matson married Anne Upton on 27 June 1747 at St Leonard’s Church, Deal by Banns.  :-\

Tony  :)
Title: Re: Hyder family in East Kent about 1750-1820. Mary and husband William
Post by: doverrog on Thursday 11 December 14 18:52 GMT (UK)
Thanks redtonyt.
Looks like this William is one of them.
However the one I really want to confirm is the one born in 1800. At the moment I believe him to be recorded at St Mary's Dover as the son of William Finch and Susanna.
Finch was William’s Fathers name and the St. Marys, Dover record (2nd March 1800) of the christening of William son of William Finch and Sussanna, I believe refers to Susanna Matson (1780-1856) who later married a William Doves in 1803.
Matson was his Mothers name. He was brought up as Matson and added Finch when he was told who his father was.
Tithes for Alkham (1830s/1840s) show William Matson as a tenant farmer of Peter Lane Fector. Also William Finch as Owner Occupier of nearby Malmains Farm.
The Finch family was near neighbours of the Matsons. William Matson and William Finch had nearby farms at Barham and Alkham. The Will of George Finch of Dover, gent. dated 26th May 1684 (probate 3rd November 1684) refers to “Friend John Matson the younger of Dover”.
The marriage record of 1803 records William Doves of Buckland and Susan Matson spinster of this parish (e.g. Whitfield).
The 1841 census shows Sarah Doves as a 60-year-old Grazier and having 4 Matson children, Alice (11), William (8), Jane (5) and George (3) living with her.
The 1851 census shows Susanna Doves, a widow aged 73, living next door to the William Matson family at Drelingore. With Susanna are 3 Matson grandchildren. Alice, Jno (John) and Mary. There is also a William Hills a 69 -year-old widower who is recorded as a Servant with occupation Labourer and born Alkham.
No record found in 1861 census or of any Dove(s) at Guston in 1841 census.

There are other records which seem to confirm this William Finch Matson as the illegitimate son of William Finch and Susanna Matson but I'll probably never know for certain.
Title: Re: Hyder family in East Kent about 1750-1820. Mary and husband William
Post by: doverrog on Saturday 13 December 14 15:22 GMT (UK)
Hello again.
I've lost touch with this branch for a while and I think you were referring to the William Matson who married Margaret Tregenoe on the 9th June 1698 at Deal or Ripple which I discovered in the Parish records held at Folkestone library. William is recorded as a batchelor of Deal and Margaret as a spinster of Deal.
I haven't been able to discover who either of their parents were, but it does look as though there may be a link to the Deal/Ripple area where we have been looking.
I will try searching for Margaret again as her name is uncommon and something may show up.
Firstly I will post thus with Margaret Tregenoe in the title to see if anyone else in our. community has anything.
Title: Re: Hyder family in East Kent about 1750-1820. Mary and husband William
Post by: AJ100 on Sunday 14 December 14 15:55 GMT (UK)
William Matson married Margaret Tregenoe at Ripple on 11 June 1698. Both, as you say, are described as being 'of Deal.'
Margaret was one of 8 children born to Eleazar and Michell Tregenoe (many different ways of spelling this) on 16 Jan 1669.
There is no record of William  Matson being baptised in Deal, Walmer or Sholden so he obviously moved to Deal later.
Regards

AJ
Title: Re: Hyder family in East Kent about 1750-1820. Mary and husband William
Post by: doverrog on Sunday 14 December 14 17:11 GMT (UK)
Thanks AJ100.
I've had a long running problem trying to identify this particular William Matson and I thought that taking a look at his wife's family and the couples children may provide some clues.
I believe that the name Tregenoe comes from the west country, probably Cornwell.
Do you have the details of the other 7 children as it may help having their names etc?
The line did go on to be millers in Deal via their son Robert. I'm wondering if William could have been a travelling miller who may have worked around the country? A long shot but worth a look.
Title: Re: Hyder family in East Kent about 1750-1820. Mary and husband William
Post by: AJ100 on Monday 15 December 14 15:38 GMT (UK)
Hello doverrog,
Details of Tregenow/Tregenoe offspring from Eleazar and Micha/Michell as requested.
All were baptised at St Leonard's, Deal and the dates are of baptism, not birth. There is nop mention of the family before or after these entries, implying that they moved away.
30/4/1648    Andrew      12/10/1657  John
12/19/1651  Thomas      20/2/1659    Valentine  (born 18/2/1659)
  9/1/1653    Ann           19/11/1665  William
21/8/1655    Eleazar       16/1/1669    Margaret

The first Matson to be baptised in Deal was William in 1699, son of William & Mary. The only others were two Maragrets 1701 & 1705 born to William & Margaret.
Then no more until John, Mary & Robert were born in 1738/34/35 respec to Robert & Matlida.
Sorry can't be of more help,
Regards

AJ
Title: Re: Hyder family in East Kent about 1750-1820. Mary and husband William
Post by: doverrog on Tuesday 16 December 14 14:12 GMT (UK)
Many thanks again AJ.
So many with the same names!

i have an 'unplaced' William Matson who died Sept 1804 at Ripple/Walmer I don't suppose you have anything about him?
Also 'unplaced' I have - 4 March 1780 William MATSON,  otp to Hannah SUTTON, X otp by Banns
Witnesses; Richard CLEMENT & John CAVEL.
An Ann Sutton appears in the 1851 census unmarried aged 18 a Millers Apprentice born Whitfield and living with the widow Mary Matson and family at Upper Deal Mill. So there is a later connection between the families and once again I've not been able to work out which William Hannah married in 1780.

Sorry to keep picking your brains.
Title: Re: Hyder family in East Kent about 1750-1820. Mary and husband William
Post by: AJ100 on Tuesday 16 December 14 17:28 GMT (UK)
no need to apologise, doverrog, happy to help if I can.
I can find no record in the church records of a William Matson being buried at either Walmer or Ringwould in 1804 or anywhere near it.

Re William Matson marriages.
William Matson married Hanna Sutton at St Leonard's 4/3/1780
William Matson maried Mary Hyder at St Leonard's 14/10/1781

Looking at the records index, there are 9 children baptised to William & Mary nee Hyder at St George's in Deal betwen 1784 and 1801. Proof of this is Richard Hyder Matson baptised 21/6/1787.

There are no children listed as being baptised to William & Hanna nee Sutton implying that either they had no children or moved away.

William (and Mary)Matson is listed in the baptism records as being a Miller from Upper Deal Mill.
William Died 10/4/1842 aged 68 and is buried at St Leonard's.

The only possible origin for William, if he was local, is a William Matson born in Walmer 10/2/1750 to William & May nee Redman. He had 3 siblings - Robert, Mary and Anne. It is possble he was the one who married Hanna Sutton but no concrete proof either way.
Hope this might be of some help.

Regards

AJ
Title: Re: Hyder family in East Kent about 1750-1820. Mary and husband William
Post by: redtonyt on Tuesday 16 December 14 17:51 GMT (UK)
There is a William Matson buried on 30 September 1804 at Ringwould, noted to be from Deal.  No other information on the Register.  :(

Tony  :)
Title: Re: Hyder family in East Kent about 1750-1820. Mary and husband William
Post by: doverrog on Tuesday 16 December 14 18:32 GMT (UK)
The William Matson burial was from the IGI and is the one in your latest message. Could be any of them!
In the same year I have a marriage of William Matson to Mary Woodhouse 4th October 1804 at Walmer and they are another of my 'unplaced' couples.
The further info re "The only possible origin for William, if he was local, is a William Matson born in Walmer 10/2/1750 to William & May nee Redman. He had 3 siblings - Robert, Mary and Anne. It is possble he was the one who married Hanna Sutton but no concrete proof either way." is really interesting as it's this branch of millers and bakers I'm trying to tie in.
Do you have the details of the marriage for William Matson and May Redman? I had her name as "May" and no marriage date.
Also I have 4 children for this couple - William christened 14th Sept.1746 at St.Mary's, Walmer, - Mary christened 25th December 1748 at St.Mary's - another William christened 10th February 1750 (implying the 1746 one may have died) -  and Anne christened 15th Sept.1754. I don't have a Robert as a child though. The only Robert, I have who may fit, is Robert christened 16th Sept.1751 at St.Mary's who I have as a son of John Matson 1724-? and Anne Upton (no dates) who married at St.Leonards 27th June 1747 and had 10 children.
Can you help again?
Title: Re: Hyder family in East Kent about 1750-1820. Mary and husband William
Post by: redtonyt on Tuesday 16 December 14 18:42 GMT (UK)
Marriage by Banns of William Matson to Mary Redman was 2 November 1745 at Walmer and both were said to be of the Parish.

Tony
Title: Re: Hyder family in East Kent about 1750-1820. Mary and husband William
Post by: doverrog on Tuesday 16 December 14 20:24 GMT (UK)
Thanks again Tony.
Do you have a birth record for Mary Redman and possibly a death record for William and Mary?
I know I'm taking a lot of your time but I wonder if you also may have a marriage date for James Matson and Susanna ? probably in Hougham around 1789 ish or later? They had 10 children.
Title: Re: Hyder family in East Kent about 1750-1820. Mary and husband William
Post by: AJ100 on Wednesday 17 December 14 15:45 GMT (UK)
As Tony says, William  Matson Married Mary Redman at St Mary's, Walmer 2/11/1745. The only candidate among the large contngent of Redmans in Walmer is Mary baptised 7/9/1718 to Robert & Mary Redman. That's if the was born there. William was not.
Re William & Mary's offspring: Not sure about the 2 Williams you have there. The transcript of the parish records I have show the following baptisms:
14/9/1746   Richard not William
25/12/1748  Mary
10/2/1750  William
15/9/1754  Anne

John Matson married Anne Upton at St Mary's 27/6/1747. Both of Walmer.
There were 2 Roberts baptised at Walmer. Robert s/o John & Anne (1751) and Robert s/o Wililam & Mary (1746).
Regards

AJ
Title: Re: Hyder family in East Kent about 1750-1820. Mary and husband William
Post by: redtonyt on Wednesday 17 December 14 15:58 GMT (UK)
I have the same baptism, for Mary Redman, as AJ plus five other possibles from the surrounding parishes.

As to her death, I have this burial at Walmer:-
Mary Matson 14 December 1755, husband William

This burial is followed on 24 January 1756 with the burial of Mary Matson, father William!

As to the death of William Matson, there are two burials at Walmer the first:-
1782 Mar 12 William Matson from Deal, and the second:-
1784 Dec 31 William Matson

Here is a piece of pure speculation; there is a long gap after Mary's death before a marriage (by Licence) of William Matson (possible the above) a Widower, to Sarah Blown in 1764.  Then there is a burial for a Sarah Matson at Walmer dated 14 December 1783 from Deal!  :-\ :-\

I have not been able to find a marriage of a James Matson to Susanna.

Tony
Title: Re: Hyder family in East Kent about 1750-1820. Mary and husband William
Post by: doverrog on Wednesday 17 December 14 16:51 GMT (UK)

There were 2 Roberts baptised at Walmer. Robert s/o John & Anne (1751) and Robert s/o Wililam & Mary (1746).
Regards

AJ

Hello. Did you mean Richard bap 14th Sep1746 son of William and Mary? or another Robert?
Confusing isn't it.
I've just seen redtoyt most recent post and am working through the info.
Title: Re: Hyder family in East Kent about 1750-1820. Mary and husband William
Post by: AJ100 on Wednesday 17 December 14 16:56 GMT (UK)
No, there were 2 Roberts. My mistake in the last post. Richard 1746  should read Robert. Getting towards the end of the day and almost past my bedtiome. Apologies.

AJ
Title: Re: Hyder family in East Kent about 1750-1820. Mary and husband William
Post by: doverrog on Wednesday 17 December 14 17:23 GMT (UK)
Thanks. Got it now. I'm going round in circles at the moment with the latest from redtonyt :'(
It looks as though I've got some of my records mixed up with all the Williams.
I'm going to work through again from the more recent dates.
The crucial one I'm still trying to find the parents of, though is the William who married Margaret Tregenoe in 1698. Assuming he was in his twenties, I'm looking first at any William Matson born around 1678 ish in Deal, but all the ones I have around that date seem to be in the Hougham parish and not Deal.
Title: Re: Hyder family in East Kent about 1750-1820. Mary and husband William
Post by: redtonyt on Wednesday 17 December 14 19:23 GMT (UK)
As the marriage of William Tregenoe was by Licence, the Allegation and Bond could have his age therein, even though Cowper does not have it.  These two documents should be held at Canterbury Cathedral Archives, unfortunately tomorrow is the last day before closing, for the Holidays.  :'(

Re-opening is on Jan 13.  :)

Tony
Title: Re: Hyder family in East Kent about 1750-1820. Mary and husband William
Post by: doverrog on Wednesday 17 December 14 19:55 GMT (UK)
Thanks Tony.
I've spent many hours at Canterbury and looking through my lists, it seems that this licence is one I've missed. Always the way.
I'm going to post an enquiry on the Kent look-up requests just in case anyone has copy of the marriage lice detail.
In the meantime it's back to trying to get my Williams etc in some sort of order :-[
Title: Re: Hyder family in East Kent about 1750-1820. Mary and husband William
Post by: AJ100 on Thursday 18 December 14 14:35 GMT (UK)
The first Matson to be baptised in Deal was a William in 1699 to William & Mary. The others were 2 Margarets, 1701 & 1705 to William & Margaret. No more baptisms then until 1734/5/8 when Mary, Robert & John were respectively baptised to Robert & Matilda.
Walmer didn't have any Matsons baptised until 1746.

AJ
Title: Re: Hyder family in East Kent about 1750-1820. Mary and husband William
Post by: redtonyt on Thursday 18 December 14 16:38 GMT (UK)
I have still not found the actual marriage of James Matson to Susannah.

However, Cowper has this description of a Marriage Licence,

James Matson of Hougham, Yeom., ba., 25 and Susan Lushington of Alkham, spr., 20, whose parents are dead at Alkham, Capel-le-Ferne or Hawkinge May 14 1688.

I have access to a transcription of Alkham PRs and it is not to be found there!

Another piece in the jigsaw!  ;)

Tony  :)
Title: Re: Hyder family in East Kent about 1750-1820. Mary and husband William
Post by: doverrog on Friday 19 December 14 20:15 GMT (UK)
Well done Tony ;D
This is what I have on the Lushington family-
Source: Archdeaconry Court of Canterbury Vol 70 f.617, Probate 25 Aug 1638
John Lushington of Stellinge, yeoman, will dated 14 Aug 1638
To be buried at Elmsted
John Taylor the elder, Minister
Daughter Mary wife of George Pilcher
Grandchild Ann Pilcher
Daughter Ann Lushington
Sisters Mary Kember and Elizabeth Goulder
Wife Ann
Sons Henry and John

For Henry I have two children Thomas born abt 1653 and Susanna bat 1668.
Thomas Lushington married Susan Matson 12th Jan 1678 at St. Lawrence, Hougham and they had a daughter Susanna who probably married David Heath 30th July 1689 at St.Lawrence.
I'm going with Susanna/Susan Lushington marries James Matson 1688 as per your latest news.

Can you tell me more about 'Cowper' please as I have yet another name I can't find.
William Matson chr 25th October 1612 at Sheperdswell married ??Knott. Daughter of William Knott of Coldred, Blacksmith with land at Eythorne. William died 1659. William and ??? had 9 children but I don't know the first name of William's wife.

Any possibility you may have something?
Title: Re: Hyder family in East Kent about 1750-1820. Mary and husband William
Post by: redtonyt on Saturday 20 December 14 08:06 GMT (UK)
Joseph Meadows Cowper was the Vicar of St Dunstan, Canterbury.  I am not sure of date of his  living in that Parish but, some in the latter part of the 19th Century.  He published various books privately, including one on the Marriage Licences issued at Canterbury, by subscription.  The particular one I use is those Licences up to 1750.  There is another in the Archives at the Cathedral, post 1750, the version I have seen is in chronological order.  He also published one, transcribing the Parish Registers of St Dunstan, which is of particular interest to me.  Again this is held at the Archives.  There may well be others but they are the ones that I know of.

Unfortunately there is no mention of a marriage of William Matson between 1619 and 1660.  The only male Matson is Robert to Dorothy Tailer in 1635; he is the first Matson in the book.  :'(

Tony
Title: Re: Hyder family in East Kent about 1750-1820. Mary and husband William
Post by: doverrog on Saturday 20 December 14 13:15 GMT (UK)
Thanks again. I already had the Robert Matson and Dorothy Tailer marriage and it's good to have further confirmation.
I will continue looking for the first name of the lady Knott who married William Matson at Shepherdswell in 1612.

I fear i have led us a fair way from the original title of this thread :-X
Title: Re: Hyder family in East Kent about 1750-1820. Mary and husband William
Post by: TDH1522 on Sunday 03 December 17 00:22 GMT (UK)
EDWARD HYDER snr  bap.5th dec 1669 Ashford Kent (son of Thomas Hyder and Mary Austen) died 16th feb 1728 Selling Kent England aged 59 yrs (i have a copy of his will) occupation: Butcher,  married on 8th july 1694 Chilham Kent England to JANE HUKINS bap.13th sept 1674 Chilham Kent England buried on 23rd feb 1742 Selling Parish Canterbury England (daughter of William & Jane Hukins), I also have a gravestone picture of this family stating their children etc, their children all born Selling Kent:

MARY bap.5th april 1697 Selling Kent England
WILLIAM born 3rd june 1695 Selling Kent England bap.13th june 1695 Selling Kent England, died 25th feb 1712 buried 28th feb Selling Kent England
THOMAS bap. 12th Jan 1700 Selling Kent England
ALICE bap. 9th sept 1702 Selling Kent England
EDWARD HYDER Jnr born 5th nov 1698 Selling Kent England bap.15th nov 1698 Selling Kent England married  Ann ?? (can not find a record for their marriage so dont know her last name), one of their children:

THOMAS HYDER bap.28th nov 1732 at Selling Kent England died 1st nov 1813 Charing Kent occupation carpenter, married on 29th oct 1759 Hinxhill Kent England to Ann Borville/Burvile/Burvill born abt 1731 died 9th july 1795 buried on 16/7/1795 at Charing Kent England aged 64 yrs,

Edward Snr and his wife all had children born in Selling Kent they died there and and same with edward Jnr and his wife Ann, their children were all born at Selling Kent, no children were born at HOTHFIELD


Inscription of Edward Snr and Jane Hyder's tombstone at Selling Kent England:
Here lieth the Body of Edw: Hyder late of this Parish who had issue by Jane his wife, 3 Sons & 2 Daugh: he died Feb 16: 1728. Aged 59 Y. This Stone was Erected by Jane his wife. Also the Body of Will: Hyder at the right hand of his Father. Edw. Hyder & Jane his wife he died Feb 25th 1712. Aged 16 Years 9 m. and by him/ lieth his 2 sisters Viz: Mary & Alice

Am not entirely sure how to contact you, so I have quoted you in the hope you get a notification. I am currently doing some deep research on The Hyder Family, and would love to have a copy of any documents you have on them. You say that you have a copy of Edward Hyder's will? My email address is t.haynes . sub@icloud.com (Only use it for family history stuff so any1 else researching the Hyder's can contact me). Cheers, Tom
Title: Re: Hyder family in East Kent about 1750-1820. Mary and husband William
Post by: doverrog on Monday 04 December 17 12:01 GMT (UK)
Hello TDH1522.
I received a notification of your posting and I thought it would be good to acknowledge in case I can help further. However my focus is the Matson family and I don't have anything more than it seems you already have re the Hyder family.
Have you perhaps tried a direct message to Sluggie in case they are not currently doing any research?
Best wishes and if you come across any Matson links let me know if I can help.
Title: Re: Hyder family in East Kent about 1750-1820. Mary and husband William
Post by: TDH1522 on Monday 04 December 17 12:05 GMT (UK)
Hey!

For some reason for the life of me I cannot work out how to send a direct message. I will probably come on to looking at the Matsons as I begin to branch out my research so I will definitely come to you for some pointers when I get started.

Cheers,

Tom
Title: Re: Hyder family in East Kent about 1750-1820. Mary and husband William
Post by: doverrog on Monday 04 December 17 12:15 GMT (UK)
Go to 'MyMessages' in the top bar with the dark brown background. When you hover over it or click a dropdown will appear saying "Read your messages""Send a message".
If you click on "Send a message" a form will appear. Copy and paste the contact you wish to send the message to into the "To" box. There is a Subject box below and then a text area to type into.
You can then Send, Preview or Spellcheck  A pre-ticked box if you wish to save a copy.
Title: Re: Hyder family in East Kent about 1750-1820. Mary and husband William
Post by: TDH1522 on Monday 04 December 17 12:16 GMT (UK)
Ah perfect thank you! Cant believe I missed it
Title: Re: Hyder family in East Kent about 1750-1820. Mary and husband William
Post by: doverrog on Monday 04 December 17 12:48 GMT (UK)
No problem.
Please let me know if I can help any more, :)