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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Fermanagh => Topic started by: Freya Ellingsen on Wednesday 04 June 08 10:24 BST (UK)
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Anyone out there know anything about Felix Curran from Co.Fermanagh married Margaret McGourty.They had a son John who is my GGrandfather.He was born in 1843 or there about, not sure if there were any other children but John came to Australia before 1865. He married my GGrandmother in Australia in 1865, her name was Margaret Bell and she came from Co.Louth not sure when she came to Oz, but they were both around 22yrs old when they married. Would appreciate any info on either the Curran's or Bell's ...
Thank you Maree Curran
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Welcome to Rootschat but it will be difficult to do research in Ireland without knowing where the family lived (need parish if not actual townland nit just 'Fermanagh').
Civil registration of births began 1864 so for earlier information you need to search for church records (if they exist). To do so you need to know the family's religion and where they lived (see above).
You might find that Australian marriage, death and birth certificates will give you more information on the family.
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Thanks for the reply, no further information was found from birth,death and marriages here in Australia.
But since have found through Griffiths Valuation of Ireland - Inishmacsaint, County Fermanagh:
Curran Felix Bolusty Beg Inishmacsaint Fermanagh
Curran Felix Drumcrow West Inishmacsaint Fermanagh
We also found the following article regarding Felix Curran v Felix Curran and also sale of the property of one of these Felix Currans. Could of been catholics as we are here in Australia but......
The property is in the west end of Bundoran Co. Donegal part of the lands of Magheracar.
Documents to large to attach.
Maree
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Maree,
I have had a look at Griffith's and have found 5 entries for Felix Curran. Four of them are most likely the same man as he has rented a house and land in Drumcrow West and rented herds houses and land with other farmers in Bolusty Beg. AS these townlands abutt one another, the farm being on lower ground and the shared land being higher ground that would make sense. The two townlands are a few miles east of Belleek.
The other Felix rents a house and land in the townland of Derrychulloo with several other farmers. This was a form of land holding which was dying out by the mid 19th centuary. I cannot identify the townland but I think it may now be called Derrykillew, although I await correction. If I am correct this townland is a few miles to the North of Belleek.
Regards
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Hey,
Thanks very much for the further information it is great of you to look further into the Griffiths Valuation Records, as we only have access to indexes you have told us much more. I'm doing a Genealogy trip this year to Ireland with a friend who also has Curran connections although she has traced her side back to John Philpot Curran (master of the rolls Ireland) we are hoping to make a connection. If you can think of any other way I could find information about him before my trip please lets know.
Regards,
Maree Curran
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See here for Griffith's Valuation (free) for all Ireland- you can search by name or place and view the actaul pages from the printed books.
http://griffiths.askaboutireland.ie/gv4/gv_family_search_form.php
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Tanks it is great to get the correct source for a web site, it will be well used.
Maree
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Maree,
Looked in the 1796 Flax growers Register and found that the only Curran was Parrick who lived in the parish of Drumkeeran. Griffiths shows a Jane living in Montiaghroe townland ,parish of Drumkeeran. This may be a red herring but it is the earliest Curran I can find in Fermanagh.
Regards
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Thanks for the info will think about that one.
Need to establish his death date and then may get somewhere.
Ta,
Maree
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The property is in the west end of Bundoran Co. Donegal part of the lands of Magheracar.
hi maree,
the felix curran that you found in bundoran died on 23-jan-1889. the will can be found at proni;
http://www.proni.gov.uk/index/search_the_archives/will_calendars/wills_search.htm
it might be handy to know until you find out a bit more information wether he's the right felix or not.
tony
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Thanks Tony having a good night getting lots of information, looks like will have to do lots of work before I go to Ireland.......
Regards,
Maree
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Hello,
We have found another newspaper article which is a judgement of a court case regarding several people but most interesting once again Felix Curran, these tenants occupy the whole of the townlands of Ballymena. My question to those that know is Ballymena close to ? Felix Curran's other holdings which were: Griffith's and have found 5 entries for Felix Curran. Four of them are most likely the same man as he has rented a house and land in Drumcrow West and rented herds houses and land with other farmers in Bolusty Beg. AS these townlands abutt one another, the farm being on lower ground and the shared land being higher ground that would make sense. The two townlands are a few miles east of Belleek.
The other Felix rents a house and land in the townland of Derrychulloo with several other farmers. This was a form of land holding which was dying out by the mid 19th centuary. (This entry could be the son of Felix who d.1901)
Can some on advise my poor brain! :o
Ta,
Maree Curran
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Maree,
I cannot find a townland of Ballymena in Fermanagh but there is a fairly large town of Ballymena about 25 miles NW of Belfast in the county of Antrim. This is nowhere near your townlands in Fermanagh, at least in Irish ideas of distance.
Regards
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The other Felix Curran (junior) rents a house and land in the townland of Derrychulloo with several other farmers. This was a form of land holding which was dying out by the mid 19th centuary. (This entry could be the son of Felix who d.1901) any one know how to find out more about him? Re where he could be buried....
Thanks,
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Hi Maree,
This isn't what you asked for but I thought you would be interested in it :)
Graveyard Name: Slawin
Parish: Inishmacsaint
Townland: Slawin
County: Fermanagh
Inscription: Erected by Felix Curran in memory of his beloved wife Marget Curran who departed this life Septr 12th 1887 aged 53 years Here also lieth the remains of his father, Felix Curran of Magheracar, Bundoran who died on 23rd of January 1889 aged 91 years.
btw did you get over to Ireland last year?
Tony
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Thanks Tony, we do have this info but we are v confused! As we have now Felix seniors will and it only names his son John Curran and family in Australia! We have also found a will for another son James who left all to his Father farmer Felix senior. So we were hoping to discover more about Felix? junior or his wife, his Father and his own wife are buried in same grave but where is he Felix junior buried??
Graveyard Name: Slawin
Parish: Inishmacsaint
Townland: Slawin
County: Fermanagh
Inscription: Erected by Felix Curran in memory of his beloved wife Marget Curran who departed this life Septr 12th 1887 aged 53 years Here also lieth the remains of his father, Felix Curran of Magheracar, Bundoran who died on 23rd of January 1889 aged 91 years.
No we did not get over to Ireland yet we plan to go this September keep your fingers crossed for us.
Tank,
::)
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I have found a Felix Curran in the 1911 census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Fermanagh/Castlecaldwell/Derrychulloo/511467/
Does anyone have any further info..... ???
Tanks,
Fran
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A Felix Curran of Derrychulloo was mentioned earlier in this thread- perhaps a relative.
The Felix Curran who died in 1889 is mentioned in PRONI's Will index: The Will of Felix Curran late of Magheracar Bundoran County Donegal Farmer who died 23 January 1889 at same place was proved at Londonderry by Robert Blair of Coagh County Fermanagh Farmer and William Ball of Glena Lodge Bundoran County Donegal Ex-postmaster the Executors. Effects £2,695 18s. 4d so quite well off.
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Thanks for your quick reply this is the Felix I am after:
Graveyard Name: Slawin
Parish: Inishmacsaint
Townland: Slawin
County: Fermanagh
Inscription: Erected by Felix Curran in memory of his beloved wife Marget Curran who departed this life Septr 12th 1887 aged 53 years Here also lieth the remains of his father, Felix Curran of Magheracar, Bundoran who died on 23rd of January 1889 aged 91 years. He is in the 1911 Census aged 70 and his daughter Margaret is 29.
Tanks,
Fran :-\
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It's entirely possible that Felix Curran Sr.'s Will might contain details about his son Felix, distribution of his property, etc. which is why I posted the reference.
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We have recently obtained Felix snr will and it does not mention his son Felix.
Only his son John in Australia and his children, a housekeeper and the local priest of course! James the other son died earlier we hope to get his will when we are over in Sept.
Felix Curran V Felix Curran is a article I found in the local Irish papers, so they must of fell out over ? land as happens over and over again in Ireland. I know that Felix jun was alive in 1911 aged 70 and his daughter was aged 29 his own wife is dead.
Fran
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Looking for any information on Felix Curran see abstract of will;Felix Curran
Record Type Wills Calendars
Date of Death 23 Jan 1889
Year of Probate 1889
Name Felix Curran
County Donegal
Residence Magheracar Bundoran
He is buried;
Graveyard Name: Slawin
Parish: Inishmacsaint
Town/Townland: Slawin
County: Fermanagh
Surname: CURRAN
Any further information would be a plus in our search for lost family information.
Maree :-\
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"any information" is rather vague so perhaps you could tell us exactly what you already have and what you are looking for to save us searching for details you already know and to make it easier to help you.
You should be able to find Felix's age from the death registration if you don't already know it- see www.familysearch.org.
The wording of his Will is available in PRONI Will abstracts.
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As I just said, telling us everything you already know saves us needless extra work and I have now found your previous Felix Curran topic (with lots of information already posted) so I've merged it with your latest one.
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Hi Maree, my name is Tom Curran i am researching my Family History. Felix Curran is my 3rd Great Grandfather, he was married to Margaret McGourty, they had one son (as far as i can find) John Curran he was married to Margaret Bell, they had one sone (as far as i can find) James who was married to Hanorah (Nora) Magdalen Murrihey, they had a sone John Gordon who was married to Bridgett Elizabeth McElgunn my Grand Parents.
I would love to chat with you maybe we can help each other we may even be chasing the same FamilyHistory.
Tom :)
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Hi Maree, my name is Tom Curran i am researching my Family History. Felix Curran is my 3rd Great Grandfather, he was married to Margaret McGourty, they had one son (as far as i can find) John Curran he was married to Margaret Bell, they had one sone (as far as i can find) James who was married to Hanorah (Nora) Magdalen Murrihey, they had a sone John Gordon who was married to Bridgett Elizabeth McElgunn my Grand Parents.
I would love to chat with you maybe we can help each other we may even be chasing the same FamilyHistory.
Tom :)
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Hi Tom
Yes it does seem to be the right Curran. John Curran and Margaret Bell had 6 Children 1st born died about age 1. his name was also John, they had 2 more boys Patrick (my G/Father) and James, the girls names were Elizabeth,Minnie,and Margaret,
Felix and Margaret had two sons that I know of John and James, James died in 1887 in Ireland and is buried with his parents (i have photo of grave i took when i visited Ireland last year) I also have a copy of Felix's will leaving everything to John and his family in Australia.I'm having a little trouble verifying Johns entry into Aust. A few hiccups with age written on marriage cert. I know he married in Aust. in 1864 and that they had the six kids and the Mother died age 32 after 10yrs marriage,I,m not sure what happened with James's marriage but he died in Sth Aust. in the 1920's buried in a place Minnipa (i also have photo of his grave) he was poisoned I think accidentally ,the newspaper reports seem to point to the poison being meant for someone else.Do you know an Inez Woods she was a Curran and came down the line of James as you did.I probably give you a bit more info at a later date when i sort it out and get everything up to date and learn how to put photos on here for you,
Thanks for getting in touch