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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Glamorganshire => Topic started by: welshgirl on Thursday 05 June 08 23:56 BST (UK)
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I was just wondering whether anyone here had ancestors/relatives buried at this Chapel in York Street, Swansea.
The Church dates back to 1830 and there are gravestones outside and memorial tablets inside the church. Anyone got any connections? I have been a member of this Church all my life, and have recently taken over as caretaker.
There are some prominent memorials in the entrance porch, and a remembrance garden to Rev. Roberts, father of the Llanelli born actress Rachel Roberts.
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Do the surnames Rayner or Woollacott mean anything to anyone? These people must have been wealthy/prominent in the town because of the size of their memorials. They are at least 8 feet tall.
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I think there are still Woolacott's in Mumbles.
Bernard
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Hello, I was so excited to see your message, the Woollacotts are my ancestors. I would love to see the memorials, can you tell me when the church is open?
Thank you, Sue.
Do the surnames Rayner or Woollacott mean anything to anyone? These people must have been wealthy/prominent in the town because of the size of their memorials. They are at least 8 feet tall.
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Hi Welshgirl Can I push my luck :) Hoping to find some trace of OH's family, the Peakes, who lived in Swansea during 19th century. No trace of Peakes (particularly Nelly/Eleanor who died some time shortly after 1910) I suppose.....
Maggott
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Sue
I've only just read your reply to my posting. Sincere apologies!
The Church is open every Sunday morning for a service at 11.00am. The Church is generally open beforehand at about 10.40am, and the large black memorial is just inside the main door in the porch area.
Alternatively, I am available on Friday and Saturday mornings and if you would like to e-mail me, I could arrange to meet you there, and open up the church for you to see the Woollacott memorial.
For your information, here is an accurate transcription of the memorial stone.
SACRED
TO THE MEMORY OF
WILLIAM WOOLLACOTT
WHO DIED JANUARY 9TH 1851
AGED 63 YEARS
SHORT WAS THE WARNING DEATH HE GAVE
TO SUMMONS ME UNTO THE GRAVE
TO MEET THE LORD WITHOUT DELAY
FOR SUDDEN DEATH CALLED ME AWAY
ALSO
THOMAS WOOLLACOTT
WHO DIED FEB 8TH 1853
AGED 24 YEARS
AFFLICTION SORE LONG TIME I BORE
PHYSICIANS WERE IN VAIN
TILL GOD ABOVE, OF HIS GREAT LOVE
RELEASED ME OF MY PAIN
ALSO IN MEMORY OF
MARY WOOLLACOTT
WIFE OF THE ABOVE WILLIAM WOOLLACOTT
WHO DIED JANUARY 10TH 1867
AGED 77 YEARS
SHE LIVED BELOVED AND DIED LAMENTED
HER END WAS PEACE
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Maggott
I think the gravestones are pre-1910, but I'll look for you anyway. They have mostly been eroded by the elements and time. A lot of the old church records are with the Archives in County Hall and I should imagine thats where the burial records are kept.
Welshgirl.
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:) Thanks that is fine. We would like to photograph the memorial. We were planning to try to do that on Monday before the Sisterhood Meeting takes place. If that does not work we will go to plan B as you suggest. We also need to visit the Archives as we have not checked through the Baptist Church records yet. Can you e-mail us on suenandy at thorndy dot fsnet dot co dot uk?
Many thanks. Sue.
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Hi Welshgirl & thank you for the message I'll try the archives - thanks for the tip.
Best Maggott
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Hello
For a while I've been on a quest to find out more about my Swansea Baptist ancestor and this has now broadened out into a more general interest in Swansea Baptists, especially about the 1820's/30's, when York Place, Mount Pleasant and Bethesda were built. I’ve also learned not to confuse the dates of the chapels with the Causes!
I've spend many hours over the past two weeks in Swansea Library, reading the York Place Baptist magazines for 1900 -20; firstly trying to work out where Baptist Court, High Street was located but then become totally absorbed into the history of the doctrinal differences during nineteenth century Swansea. So I'd love to see inside of York Place Baptist church. Would this be possible? I’m going to be working away (i.e. not in Swansea) for a few weeks, but should be back in September.
Thanks
Liz
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Do you know whether there are any Middletons buried there please?
I'm looking for someone who died in Oxford Street in 1847 - where are they likely to be buried - any ideas? I know there were no Municipal cemeteries open.
Thanks,
B.
Doesn't matter, I found her in saint Mary's - thanks.
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Hello Welshgirl,
Could I ask for some information on the Rayner burials?
The Rayners were builders who became related by marriage to the family of John Dickson the railway contractor who operated the Mumbles Railway.
Cwmaman
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Hi
Just read your message. The two William Rayners on your memorial stone were my Great Great & Great Great Great Grandfathers. I am currently trying to complete my Rayner tree. My partner is the Grandson of William Crwys Williams so we visit Gower usually twice a year & in May I did take photos of the outside of the chapel but didn't have the time to check out when I could gain entrance to see the plaque. I would like to get in touch with you when I know when we will be coming next year as I would love to see the memorial. When Glamorgan cricket decide when the Swansea cricket festival is taking place, I will get back to you if I may.
Best Wishes
Crwys
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Crwys
Have you seen a transcription of the memorial stone? I can provide that for you if you like?
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Hi
That would be very welcome. Thank you very much.
Crwys
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Hi
Thanks very much for doing this. I think I may have some relatives buried at York Place Chapel. My great-great-great John Burchell (1791-1845) was a blacksmith in Squires Bank in 1841. His father & mother William & Elizabeth Burchell (1760-1834 & 1764-1835) moved to Swansea from London in the 1780's and set up a coach building business in York Place, that their son William (1783-1840) and his descendants continued throughout the 19th century. It was very prosperous I think, judging by the wills of William Burchell Jr's sons & daughters, most of whom remained single and lived & worked together at York Place. Their names were Joseph Willaim (1815-90), William (1820-88), Thomas (1825-84), Mary (1826-88) & Elizabeth (1816-83). There was also James (1819-94) who lived in Russell St and Theresa who I think may have died in London. And there are a no. of other Burchells from these lines that i have no idea what happened to them.
I myself have strong links with Swansea, having lived there for 4 yrs recently - I walked the same streets as all these dead relatives and had no idea at all that any of them existed till now or even that I had ancestors form Swansea! So I'd dearly love to revisit any of their graves & their homes that still exist there.
Thanks again very much for your help with this
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Hi
My dad is Graham Burchell and his Great Great Grandfather was John Burchell 1790-1845 Swansea.
Would love to swap information about the Burchells in Swansea at this time. I can only go back another generation to William and Elizabeth Burchell and it stops there. Johns had a son Charles Donor Burchell (1829-1886) which settled in Bristol and that is where we are now.
Look forward to hearing from you
Interested in any graves found. Are you descended from Thomas Burchell as I have no information on him and would love to up date our tree. Could email you ours to compare.
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Hi Moshi
Great to hear from u. So pleased to find another descendant of John Burchell and would be great to check out your tree. I'm at karenscottsn@yahoo.co.uk. Yes I am descended from Thomas Burchell, he was my great-great grandfather, a mariner who married Jane Seccombe from Penzance then ended up in Liverpool. Have found out quite a bit about the Swansea Burchells and also the Herbert's (John Burchell's wife was Mary Herbert). Too much to go into detail about here & have not added it all to my family tree (on Ancestry.com) yet. But can send u a link to the tree if u like so u can take a look at what I have so far.
William & Elizabeth Burchell, John Burchell's parents, came from London in the 1780's and set up a coach wheelwright business in Swansea at the start of its Copperopolis era. William was born in 1760 in Holborn and his parents were Edward & Ann Burchell. Have had great difficulty finding out the details of Edward's birth - pretty sure it wasn't Rye, Sussex just incase u end up following that red herring too at some point. But also pretty sure he was born in London to a family involved in the coach building trade. Not sure who Ann was sorry. William's wife was Elizabeth Taylor, and they married in St George, Bloomsbury in 1782. No.of possibilities for her birth, the likeliest being in 1764 at Holborn to John & Ann Taylor.
Who are u descended from? Is it from Charles Doner Burchell? Have been in touch with another descendant of his who now lives in Australia. The only other sibling of Charles & Thomas that I have any idea about at all is Henry Burchell who married Sarah Webb, lived in Llansamlet & then Aberdare, and had a no. of children. And also William - have found quite a few convictions for various things (bank robbery was one) that seem to fit him but not totally sure it was him.
Our great-great (great) grandfather John was a blacksmith in Squire's Bank, off Strand in central Swansea - underneath the present day BT tower and very near the old dock area (that now a retail park) and a no. of foundries. Also his brother William lived nearby on the actual dock side, as I'm sure their parents did before them, and like them was in the coachbuilding trade. It was William's sons that ended up with the lucrative coachmaking factory on York St. Another brother of John's, Richard also built up a very successful coachbuilding business in Pembroke. Lastly I think now that it's St Mary's, Swansea where we'll find any graves/records - if they weren't destroyed in the WW2 bombing that razed most of Swansea city centre that is. Next time I visit I'll try to check it out, along with some other stuff.
If u want to email me I can send u the link to my Ancestry tree and can keep in touch with any other info I get hold of. Thanks again for getting in touch.
All the best, karen
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I was just wondering whether anyone here had ancestors/relatives buried at this Chapel in York Street, Swansea.
The Church dates back to 1830 and there are gravestones outside and memorial tablets inside the church. Anyone got any connections? I have been a member of this Church all my life,
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There are some prominent memorials in the entrance porch, and a remembrance garden to Rev. Roberts, father of the Llanelli born actress Rachel Roberts.
Ouch!! What a small world! .. .. .. and this thread started in June 2008, it wasn't until recent posts bounced the thread to the head of the 'Glamorgan' queue, coupled with a return to my investigations into my OH's tree elsewhere in this bulletin board that I came across this thread. You should know instantly who I am from the alias I use.
As it happens I've been intregued by the large memorial stone for the Harris family in front of the chapel, having even tracked down a couple of possible census returns for the family, but have not porogressed very far as other commitments keep jumping the queue for my free time.
JohnG_Swansea.