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Are there any people who are researching Seaton / Seton / Setton in the Blair Atholl Area
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cheers in advance
pete
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The website www.borenich.co.uk lists the Blair Atholl marriages from 1750 to 1855 showing the places where the bride and groom were living. Seaton (and variants) are not common, but this might help.
Throth
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Are there any people who are researching Seaton / Seton / Setton in the Blair Atholl Area
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cheers in advance
pete
I am a Blair Atholl Seaton living locally if you need any info I may be able to help you
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My sister in law is a Seaton Think her father originated Pitlochry
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Hello! My partner is Ian Seaton, son of John Cameron Seaton and Jean (Jane) McKenzie Seaton. He grew up at Port of Tummel in Ballinluig. To the best of his knowledge, his more immediate family are now all gone, the last to pass away being his cousin, Donald Seaton, in 2007. Do these names mean anything to anyone?
Regards,
Catherine.
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Hi
I am interested in knowing a little more of one particular Seaton family from this area. I am looking for more details on the marriage and background of Peter Seaton who married Patricia Matheson. Patricia was the daughter of Catherine McNee and Peter Matheson and would have lived in the Aberfeldy area. They had at least two daughters c1930's.
Keith
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Hi Catherine, My Grandfather William Seaton lived Comrie Perthshire / Edinburgh, married Jean /Jane Peebles 1919. His Father John Seaton a Master Saddler Dunalastair Comrie, about 1880's Blair Atholl I think. There may possibly be a Donald in the line - brother /son somewhere .Would need to look further ?
Maybe we have a connection ? don't know. I know of no descendants & have been searching too , good luck...Fiona :)
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Hello, Fiona! Ian actually knows very little about any of his relatives outside his immediate family. I know that his father had several siblings, brothers and sisters, but none of them seemed to have many children! I've always felt that there would be further flung cousins, but I'll need to grill him about his uncles and aunts a bit more first!
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Hi Catherine, Ditto, I know very little too outside immediate family & have always felt likely that distant relatives exist today in that area. I have a tree for him that I'd need to dig out & search to see if there is a Donald but it may take me some time to do so.
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I've been trying to draw up some sort of tree for Ian, but he's so vague! It must be a man thing! I lose count of how many aunties and uncles he had, to be honest, and of course, I never met any of his family, not even Donald, because I didn't meet him until 2005, and his mother had died in 2001, his father in the 1970s, and all the other aunts, uncles and cousins, except for Donny, who died in 2007, but Ian no longer lives in Scotland, he's been "down south" since the early 1980s. He has to be in the mood to reminisce about his childhood on the farm, and then I can write down names!
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Hi
I am interested in knowing a little more of one particular Seaton family from this area. I am looking for more details on the marriage and background of Peter Seaton who married Patricia Matheson. Patricia was the daughter of Catherine McNee and Peter Matheson and would have lived in the Aberfeldy area. They had at least two daughters c1930's.
Keith
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Hi Keith,
I am related to the Matheson family through Anne Matheson the youngest daughter of William Matheson & Christina McMartin. One Anne's older brother's was Peter Matheson who was married to Catherine McNee, two of Peter's daughter's married Seaton brothers, Patricia married Peter Stewart Seaton and Elizabeth married George Unwin Seaton.
Donald
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Hi from Australia
I am coming into this Rootschat a little way down the line but I am sure that my ancestry is from this area.
My 4th great grandmother was Euphemia Seaton who married David Stewart (apparently a physician) in 1795. I believe that they had 2 children who were twins, Christian and Malcolm were born the same year.Malcolm , my 3rd great grandfather married in London in 1824 Catherine Bromley and came to Australia in 1834 with 5 children and where his "flock"flourished to this day.
The purpose of this post is to try and go backwards from Euphemia and David to see how far my Scottish heritage is.
Regards
Bimini
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There is a family tree on Ancestry which gives the marriage of David and Euphemia as Blair Atholl 1785.
However the Borenich website backed up by SP and Family Search gives this marriage as David and Elspeth Setton.He is from Blair Atholl and she is from Moulin.The marriage is also registered in Moulin.Their twins Malcolum and Christian were born 1786.
David is reported to be the son of Malcolm Stewart and Barbara Young born Blair Atholl in 1752.He is reported to have died in Blair Atholl aged 55.
What links David to the Malcolm in London?
Difficult to believe that he was/became a Physician but lived on a farm in Blair Atholl when he married ???
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As a postscript it may be noted that a fully annotated tree on Familytreemaker shows Malcolm's death certificate to be the source of the 'physician' reference for David.
The linkage to the 1785 marriage was made because this gives the only David/Malcolm combination in the Scottish Registers for the period..
Not exactly convincing......
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Do we know who submitted the fully annotated tree on Familytreemaker?
Some of the family trees for descendants of Malcolm Stewart and Barbara Young are unreliable.
At the same time it is worth noting that the forenames of Malcolm and David are both unusual amongst the Blair Atholl Stewarts at this time.
Perhaps the Perth Archives would have something on Strathgroy (where Malcolm came from) in the 'Atholl Experience' volume 24.
Isis (borenich.co.uk)
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I am somewhat confused by the initial replies to my post as the only information I have is what I have been able to obtain from resources in Australia.
I know that Malcolm and family arrived 20/11/1834 on the vessel "James"(reported as per the Sydney Herald), they resided in Hosking Place (in the main CBD of Sydney), he was an upholsterer and died in 1857 from "old age & debility".
The information from the NSW death certificate, with information given by his 29 year old son is:
Place of birth: Blair Athol (sic), Perthshire Scotland
Father: David Stewart
Mother: Euphemia Seaton
Married: London aged 36 years
etc. etc.
I know that he was interred in the Independent Burial Ground which was the first cemetery in Australia
In view of this, I am not advancing that his father was a physician who lived on a farm, did not know where he lived hence my enquiry to this site and I would presume that the David referred to was Malcolm's father.
Look forward to any information which someone may provide.
Bimini
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Sorry
Forgot to include that also from the death certificate, David Stewart's occupation is given as "Physician"
Bimini
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On the basis that inputs to this web site should assist rather than confuse may I set out the following:
1)I have looked at the London Marriage Certificate for Malcolm Stewart and Catherine Bromley.There is nothing there which gives his age,father,occupation or origin.Similarly for Catherine.
2)I have looked at the London Baptism certificates for their children.There is information on their address and his occupations(Warehouseman/Clerk) but nothing else.
3)The identified reference linking Malcolm to Blair Atholl is his NSW Death certificate.To date no linkages have been found in UK documentation.
4)The only David/Malcolm Father/Son relationship on the Blair Atholl register is the Malcolm born 1786 to David Stewart and Elspet(h) Setton(Seaton) who married in 1785.The Ancestry of this couple is easily traceable on SP.
5)This why the Authors of the various trees on the Web have chosen this as the source for Malcolm.In the context that not all births,marriages and deaths were registered in Blair Atholl at this time, some think this assumption is risky, some think it is acceptable.
6)If you find additional UK documentation perhaps you can post it here. :)
I hope this assists?
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Hi Cambron
Thanks for your information being able to view records which are not available to those in other countries but the marriage record of the marriage of Malcolm and Catherine is on Ancestry and I note that the provision for any broader information is not provided for as the information sought is very limited.
You refer to the NSW Death Certificate which is, unfortunately , all we have to go on for the short time this country has developed into now. Because of this it is also a fair assumption that a 29 year old son (who was born in the UK) , being the informant, would be able to relate the details of his parents history which he would have heard/learnt through his family interaction.
Your point 4) is very good , is it a fair assumption that the names that the informant gave, David and Euphemia Seaton, are meant to be the same as the names you relate? If so, the information is correct except for the spelling of names- I would presume that spelling was not a great ability for those immigrants , and therefore my information is pretty good but I would like to have your advices as to what/where "SP"is.
Thanks for your input which is appreciated but short of going to the UK to obtain, my home grown documentation will have to suffice as I know all of their great achievements since 1834.
Regards
BIMINI
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Malcolm's children's baptisms are also on Ancestry.
SP is the official site for Scottish genealogy:
www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
People complain about the cost of searching the site but it does give you the images of the original registers.If you're not keen on paying you will get most of the info from the register transcriptions on Familysearch.
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Hi Bimini,
As Cambron said earlier, all of the marriages for Blair Atholl parish are on the borenich website and this will tell you where the bride and groom were living.
If you need the birth / baptismal records, give us the names and dates and one of our researchers could have a look for you. The entry for the birth of the twins is as follows:
"David Stewart in Levadge and Elspeth Setton his wife had twins born 15th March and baptised 16th named Malcolum & Christian".
Malcolum is as it appears, but don't worry about the spelling as they would all have been speaking in Gaelic. All of the Iains appear as John, and all of the Alastairs appear as Alexander etc.
As we said previously the use of the forename Malcolm is unusual amongst the Blair Atholl Stewarts. The only one that springs to mind is Shierglass's brother - and he died in Jamaica. Likewise, the use of David as a forename amongst these Stewarts is extremely rare. So having the two combined gives an extremely high probability that you have the correct family.
However, it would be nice to see if their disappearance from Blair Atholl matches the dates of events in London. It is possible that there are rental records for Levadge in the Blair Castle archives, and these might help.
By the way Levadge is shown on James Stobie's map, but not on the 1st Edition of the Ordnance Survey - its position must have been close to Upper Strathgroy. Both of these maps are available on-line from the NLS and are free of charge. If you need help get back to us.
Isis (www.borenich.co.uk)
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To Bimini
I am also the 4th great-grandchild of David and Euphemia and have done a lot of research, with the same main facts (births in London, marriages and baptisms in Blair Atholl) as you have coming to light.
I think Charles Stewart as informant was quite unreliable (have you seen his gaol records and the records of his marriage and death ?) and his facts may have been sourced from Catherine, also not really in the know. It is possible that David was a local medicine man, though a farmer by day.
I would like to know when Malcolm left Scotland, and assume it had something to do with the clearances. He was a warehouseman in London and I think probably at the EIC warehouses because they lived really close to them until they left. In 1834 a whole lot of employees were sacked and even though poor Malcolm didn't do much with his life thereafter he did make the big move.
His daughter Amelia was my 3 x g grandmother. She and her father were upholsterers it would seem, by 1848.
Elspeth for some reason was commonly used in church records instead of Euphemia in Scotland and in fact the name was probably Effie or the Gaelic Oirhig.
Regards Jill
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Hi Jill
I must admit it was a pleasant surprise to receive your post as I was of the belief that I must be the only one researching this side of my tree.
As you are descendant from the Australian side (although Amelia was born in London) I am from Amelia's youngest sister Annie and it is from her marriage that I have been concentrating of late when she married into the Irish line.
As far as the London issue is I am at a loss and I note that this same topic came up in the last post on this topic . I do not know what events I probably should know of as all I know is that Malcolm and Catherine were married in London in 1824 and left England on 20/11/1834 on the "James" and arrived 20/1/1835 in Port Jackson. On the same voyage was the Rev. John Dunmore Lang, the founder of the Presbyterian Church in Australia.
With the history prior to this, I am at a loss and you will note that previous posts were made in good faith from the records available but I am interested in your comments regarding Charles Stewart and Catherine , and "the clearances" plus what you can tell me about the events which were occurring until their leaving for Australia.
Thank you for the contact and look forward to any information you give me- let me know if you require any documentation from 1835 onwards and I will see what I have.
Regards
Bimini
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Hi Bimini
I am so glad to hear from you. It is always lovely to be in touch with cousins. I am actually Amelia’s 2nd great-grandchild, 3rd was a typo, so we are on the same plane ancestrally speaking. Her only son Samuel was my great grandfather.
I couldn’t see any connection between the posts about the Stewarts in London and you on Rootschat but assumed I had missed something. Does this mean that someone else wants to know what we do?
Annie in some family histories was said to have been been married in Scots church by Dunmore Lang. I found this strange, as Matthew Molony was a Catholic, Catherine was Congregational by this time and Annie was christened in the McGarvie Scots church, not the Lang church. Was it just a guess do you think?
Also Annie was responsible for the removal of the Stewart corpses from Devonshire Street to Waverley cemetery in 1901 rather than Amelia and I wondered why. Amelia was really old by then of course.
The farmsteads Levage where our Malcolm was born, and Balinluig, home of his grandfather Malcolm when he was married just disappeared from records after 1786 and Strathgroy (the name of the district) doesn’t seem to have had any records thereafter either so I am wondering if this was when David and Euphemia moved off the farm. The Murrays of Atholl were amongst the first to clear the farmlands (for deer parks in their case I believe, lovely people) so maybe our Stewarts became crofters or moved far away to the mills of Glasgow (for instance). In this case it will be almost impossible to trace British movements I think, including when Malcolm landed in London. I have quite a good trace on Catherine Bromley.
Charles Stewart was gaoled in 1848 for four months, I don’t know why, and later in Maitland twice for crimes to do with drunkenness. He married Mary Didsbury in Auckland in 1852, they came back to Sydney where their son was born, then she went back to New Zealand where the child died of measles aged 10 months. Mary lived until 1915 and was buried with her mother (her father had departed for Sydney long before the mother died) in Auckland. Charles ended up in Newington Asylum and as with so many, it is likely his problem was drink.
I have never seen the baptismal records for the children born to Malcolm and Catherine in Sydney, so would be grateful if you could verify the residences and father’s occupation on them for me. Annie’s marriage certificate might answer the above question if you have it – place of wedding, officiating minister.
And the Sydney Gazette of 24/5/1837 gives you a glimpse of Malcolm – have a look.
Do keep in touch, Jill
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Out of curiosity we scanned all of the births/baptisms at Levadge from 1785 to 1800 in case something was missing from the IGI database, but found no more children for David Stewart. However, we did find a John Stewart and his wife Helen Stewart living at Levadge at the same time.
John Stewart in Levadge and Helen Stewart in Dauchinlialash, 8 Feb 1788 (Blair Atholl OPR, marriages)
Their children were:
Malcom, b 17 Nov 1788 at Levadge;
Isabel, b 3 Oct 1790 at Levadge;
Alexander, b 11 Nov 1792 at Levadge
The IGI database also lists John, b 30 Mar 1800 at Guay Park, Ceannamoin, with parents of the same name.
Also Donald, b 22 Mar 1805 at Uchdnanetaig with parents of the same name, but not the same family.
As John and Helen's eldest son is named Malcom, it is very likely that John and David were brothers. If so, did the two families leave Blair Atholl together?
We also had a thought about Cronnlach, Moulin parish, which was given as Elspeth Setton's address when she married. Duncan Seaton in Loinchollach, Moulin parish married 12 Jan 1789. Given the proximity of the people that they married, we think that both refer to Lyconlach in Glengirnaig, which is given as Lycondlich on the Ordnance Survey. It was quite common to drop the 'Ly' or 'Loin' part of the name and call it Conlach.
Throth
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Thanks Troth
Great to catch up again and birthdates are welcome.
I have been going over previous assistance I received from this site and I would like for more information on a response you gave me on 19/10/2012 regarding "if their disappearance from Blair Atholl matches the dates of events in London".
Could you elaborate on this please as it would be a help is there is a reason which caused Malcolm to move to London and subsequent leave for Australia.
Thanks
Bimini
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Assuming that you were still worried that you had the wrong family in Scotland, it was merely an observation that he couldn't be in Blair Atholl and London at the same time.
If the archivist at Blair Castle could tell you when the family stopped paying ground rent at Levadge (assuming that they were the tenants and not sub-tenants), and you have dates for their appearance further south, then this might put your mind at ease.
Secondly it might be worth checking out this possible brother and his family. Perhaps they kept moving together? Did they emigrate as well? Tracking two families is sometimes easier than one.
Throth
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Hi Bimini,
Barbara Young has turned up again in the records and we thought that you might be interested.
Commissariot of Dunkeld 1682 - 1800 contains the Testament (it's like a will) of Thomas McKenzie in Levadge-more 29th August 1775.
It mentions Barbara Young, spouse to Malcolm Stewart in Levadge, and Margaret Young, spouse to Alexander McDonald in Cnappaig saying that they were his nearest in kin, as they were his sisters german.
We think that the word 'german, or germain' was being used to denote them as Thomas's half-sisters.
Isis (www.borenich.co.uk)
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Hi Bimini,
We were puzzled by the inclusion of the term 'sisters german' in the last posting and upon re-reading the testament (which is not easy) have come to the conclusion that:
Barbara Young and Margaret Young were sisters german to each other (i.e. full-blood sisters), and were the nearest of kin to Thomas McKenzie, but the relationship is not given.
In addition we also have a second testament, this time of Isobel Young who died between 1770 and 1775, giving Barbara Young and Margaret Young as her sisters german. Isobel appears to have been unmarried and is styled as the daughter of the deceased John Young in Clune-more.
Isis (www.borenich.co.uk)
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Duncan Seaton / Ann Robertson Blair Atholl in my Tree. There daughter Margaret born about 1808.
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Hi Mungo Gerry,
Are you certain that her mother was Ann?
We have a record of Margaret Seaton/Setton born 13th January 1805 (Blair Atholl OPR), daughter of Duncan Setton and Janet Robertson, but there are no others from 1800 - 1820 as far as we can tell.
Did she have a younger brother James?
Throth (www.borenich.co.uk)
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I have a Duncan seton 1756/1830 married margaret Cameron 1766/1841 his dad was Robert her dad John
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Are these your ancestors Christina?
Duncan was born at Wester Balrobie, second son of Robert Seaton (Setton) and Elspeth McLachlane.
The are two references to his marriage (Blair Atholl OPR 12 Jul 1787 and Dull OPR 30 Jun 1787)
He was living at Balrobie, Margaret Cameron was from Aodaintian (Edintian) in Glen Fincastle.
They were initially at Rinancoillach in Glen Girnaig and then moved to Fonvuick.
Throth (www.borenich.co.uk)
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Yes they are my family thanks I have the family up to the ones I mentioned also great site theBorenich records they had my Stewart's Cameron seton robertson great work
Christina
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Hi Christina,
What do you know about Duncan Seaton's father? There is a very large gap between the birth of John in 1738 and Beatrice in 1752. Did he enlist in the army?
You probably know this already, but if not .......
John (1738) died late 1785 or early 1786, as he was deceased when his son John was baptised (15 Jun 1786), and the OPR records that Duncan Setton (his brother) in Balrobie was the sponsor.
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Are they Duncan seton siblings as I don't have anything before or his family yet
Thank you
Christina
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Robert Seaton Elspeth McLauchlane Wester Balrobie John 10 Dec 1738
Robert Seaton Elspeth McLauchlane Wester Balrobie Beatrice 7 Sep 1752
Robert Seaton Elspeth McLauchlane Wester Balrobie Duncan 10 Feb 1756
Robert Seaton Elspeth McLauchlane Wester Balrobie Janett 10 Oct 1760
John Seton 15 Isabel Stewart Wester Balrobie Elspeth 17 Dec 1774
John Seaton Isabel Stewart Balrobie Isabel 6 Jul 1777
John Seton Isabel Stewart Balrobie Margaret 5 Jul 1779
John Setton Isabel Stewart Balrobie Robert 30 Jul 1781
John Setton Isabel Stewart Wester Balrobie James 13 Feb 1784
John Setton, deceased Isabel Stewart Wester Balrobie John 15 Jun 1786, Duncan Setton,
there, sponsor
15 John Seton in Wester Balrobie and Isobel Stewart in the parish of Dull, married 17 Feb 1774
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Thorth you are amazing thank you where do you get theses records so quick you have made my year
Thanks
Christina
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Our database has all the births 1718-1799 sorted by family group and also by where they were living. We are working on 1800-1855, but that is taking more time than expected as we have to take into account the 1841 and 1851 census returns.
Anyway, you should be pleased to get back beyond the '45 - the records are rather patchy.
There is another Setton family at Balrobie that you might be interested in. Possibly that of a brother?
Neill Seaton Janet Young Balrobie James 7 Nov 1735
and of course, John Seaton and Margaret Young
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hi again i think i may have taken a wrong road on cameron who married duncan seaton i have her dad and mum john cameron mary morrison but cant find have there marriage as 1761 dull but cant find it any help appreciated as smith stewart cameron seaton doing my head in
christina
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Duncan's first son was named Robert after the paternal grandfather, and the second son was normally named after the maternal grandfather. So I would expect Margaret Cameron to be the daughter of a Donald Cameron in Glen Fincastle, parish of Dull.
We don't have a complete database on Dull parish, just the bits that relate to Blair Atholl parish.
Marriages in Dull parish normally just say 'both of this parish' which is not much help when trying to trace back families.
Throth (www.borenich.co.uk)
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Very interested to see this thread. I have only recently started trying to look into my Setton (Seaton) line from Blair Atholl and came across the borenich site which is certainly helpful and which I will explore further. It appears I should take Setton/Seton/Seaton as being interchangeable? My 4xGt Grandmother was Cecil/Cicel Setton of Pitdorny, Dull who married Donald Moon of Wester Balrobie, Blair Atholl in 1797. I am trying to figure out the parents on both sides, a possible sister Mary Setton (also listed at Pitdorny) married George Stewart in 1797. The Moon name seems quite common in the area too, I am trying to sort out the different households in my head and it is hurting! Cicel Setton and Donald Moon's daughter Christian Moon married a Logie in Little Dunkeld and moved down river to Errol in the 1850s where many of their descendants still live. A sister Margaret Moon married an Alexander Seaton at Moulin and I have matched with a descendant of theirs on Ancestry DNA. Looks like she died young and he remarried.
Any suggestions welcome.
Many thanks
Nicola
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Despite being in different parishes, Balrobie and Pitdorny are close to each other on the south side of the river Garry. Pitdorny is also called Baldornie. Here is the link to the relevant OS map at the National Library of Scotland
http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=15&lat=56.7483&lon=-3.8051&layers=5&b=1
We have the data for Balrobie if that would be of help to you, but we don't hold a full record for the adjacent parishes. How many children do you have for Donald and Cecil? Six?
Throth (www.borenich.co.uk)
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Thank you, yes I have 6 children for Cicel Setton and Donald Moon. I had been having a nose round the maps and place names and spotted that variation, I'll go back with that in mind. Anything on Balrobie would be great. I've a bit more reading up to do on record sources. I note previous mention of tenant records in Blair Castle archives and looking at their website it seems they do some basic searching if you can give them some details to go on?
I MIGHT be a bit clearer on my Moons. I think Duncan Moon of Bailnurain/Baluarain may have married twice, firstly to C/Katherine also Moon in Jan 1761, children between 1761 and 1776, last child (my?) Donald appears to be born a few months before his father perhaps marries again to K/Catherine Cree in Nov 1776 then more children with her. 3 Johns between both but not unusual with infant death? There are quite a few Donald Moons about though.
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Donald Moon 19 Cicel Setton Wester Balrobie Margaret 12 Dec 1797
Donald Moon Cicel Setton Wester Balrobie Christian 25 Dec 1800
Donald Moon Cicel Setton Wester Balrobie John 17 Aug 1802
Donald Moon Cicel Setton Balrobie Ann 20 5 Apr 1807
Donald Moon Cicel Setton Balrobie Alexander born 7 Aug 1807
Donald Moon Cicel Setton Balrobie Janet 6 Mar 1810
Donald Forbes 21 Christian Moon Easter Balrobie Donald 30 Mar 1798
Donald Forbes Christian Moon Easter Balrobie Isabel 20 Nov 1799
Donald Forbes Christian Moon Moulin parish Janet 27 Jun 1806 Moulin OPR
19 Donald Moon in Wester Balrobie and Cecil Setton in Pitdorny, Dull, married 7 Feb 1797.
20 The baptismal record for Ann Moon was not entered until after December 1810 and as it notes that she was born 5th and baptised 8th April, this cannot refer to 1807. Probably, she was born in 1805.
21 Donald Forbes in Easter Balrobie and Christian Moon in Wester Balrobie, married 2 Jun 1797.
Christian probably is Donald's sister, which may help with finding Donald's parents.
There are earlier Moons at Balrobie if you want them.
The Balinuarain Moons may be the family that you are looking for as they had moved from Glentilt to Raon dow (Rindou) by 1788
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Very interested to see this thread. I have only recently started trying to look into my Setton (Seaton) line from Blair Atholl and came across the borenich site which is certainly helpful and which I will explore further. It appears I should take Setton/Seton/Seaton as being interchangeable? My 4xGt Grandmother was Cecil/Cicel Setton of Pitdorny, Dull who married Donald Moon of Wester Balrobie, Blair Atholl in 1797. I am trying to figure out the parents on both sides, a possible sister Mary Setton (also listed at Pitdorny) married George Stewart in 1797. The Moon name seems quite common in the area too, I am trying to sort out the different households in my head and it is hurting! Cicel Setton and Donald Moon's daughter Christian Moon married a Logie in Little Dunkeld and moved down river to Errol in the 1850s where many of their descendants still live. A sister Margaret Moon married an Alexander Seaton at Moulin and I have matched with a descendant of theirs on Ancestry DNA. Looks like she died young and he remarried.
Any suggestions welcome.
Many thanks
Nicola
Hello Nicola,
Margaret Moon and Alexander Setton (later Seaton) were my great great grandparents. My great grandfather, Donald, was her only son. born at Lyconlach (many names for this place!) in 1820. He was married to Elizabeth Louisa Robertson, and had many children. She died in Edinburgh. He then marries my great grandmother, Jessie Wylie, and lived at the White Hart Inn in Edinburgh, where their two sons, Donald and Robert (my grandfather) were born. They later moved to Easter Rhynd on the Tay River estuary. Both sons eventually immigrated to America. My family came through Canada, then settled in Michigan, in Flint. Donald's family is still in Michigan, I believe.
Interesting, though - Alexander Seaton, and his second wife, Catherine McLaughlin, moved to Logeriat, near the other Robert Seaton at Tynrich Cottage. I have been trying for a long time to figure out their relationship.
My brother's DNA on the FamilySearch.org site does not yet show Seatons, so I am really interested to know if your results match his. I would love to hear from you.
Ann
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We have quite a number of photographs of Loinconlach which were taken for the descendants of the Lamont family who farmed there in the 1840s. If you are interested contact us through the web-site so that we don't clutter up the Forum.
Throth (www.borenich.co.uk)
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Hi Ann
Great to hear from you. I've had another post about the Seatons and Moons sitting in draft for a few weeks now but got sidetracked by present day family stuff! It does sound we might have a connection. I think I have matched on Ancestry with a descendant of Donald Wylie Seaton, Donald's son, though they hadn't done too much as yet on that branch when I messaged them. Looks like that family show up in Northern England and Northern Ireland before getting to the US? Easter Rhynd would be very near my family who had moved to Errol.
Is it the FamilyTreeDNA your brother has done? I have uploaded my raw DNA data to GEDmatch, think he can do the same? We would then be able to compare. It was quite easy but now I feel like I need a Masters in genetics! Think I will scroll through the forum about it on here.
I'll PM you if that's ok? I can always update findings that might be useful to others in due course.
Kind Regards
Nicola
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Hi Nicola,
Yes, Donald Wylie Seaton is my grandfather, Robert Wylie Seaton's. brother. Your (and mine!) common relation is Cecil Setton, mother of Margaret Setton, and mother-in-law of my Great Great Grandfather, Alexander Setton (Seaton). I will see if I can upload the DNA results to these other sites to get more information. This is exciting!
Thank you for responding.
Regards,
Ann
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Ann
Just adding to my tree to help follow all the Donald and Roberts! If I am understanding correctly, your Grandmother would be Elizabeth Denny?
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Yes. Elizabeth Denny is my grandmother. She was born in Paisley. She and my grandfather, Robert Wylie Seaton, had 3 children - Donald (who died very young), Susan, and my father, John Wylie Seaton.
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Hi Ann
Did your brother upload to Gedmatch? Hope you got my message via here with my email address.
Nicola
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troth
hi again i cant read the baptism record for margaret cameron to where they stayed the parents i have on record are donald cameron janet reid 7/1 1763 donald and isabell stewart 13/2/1761
can you help as both dull
christina
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troth
found this info about robert seaton as to 1738 and the war
robert "george" seaton
born 1718 tranent east lothian
died after1756 logerait
married 1737 elspeth mclauchlane
4 children-between 1738 1760 3 child (mine)descendants suddenly fly of on a tangent to usa obvious not all as im still in scotland ha ha
robert fought at culloden
christina
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troth its on who do you think you are notice board has a few seaton on it
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Hello,
I have just signed up for this forum, and would dearly love to trace my Seatons. Seaton is a relatively uncommon name it seems at least in Perthshire. My Seatons are found in Moulin Parish (Alexander) and Kirkmichael Parish (Thomas). They are the only two Seatons listed in church census records of 1832-1841 or so in those parishes.
I am descended from Alexander Seaton of Stronachavie and his wife Margaret Kennedy. They can be found in the 1841 census, and about six children born to them in the period 1800 - 1815. Their daughter Margaret Seaton married John Cameron of Moulin and emigrated to Canada in 1835. From that point on I have lots of information about their family in Canada (she was my g-g-g-grandmother).
What I'm more interested in is finding a Donald Seaton who supposedly fought at the Battle of Culloden (1746), was transported to Virginia, and 2 years later retuned to his family. I have searched for him high and low in the easy to find records, and tried to reconstruct a family that might have the right age for him. The Prisoners of the '45 list only 4 Seatons total, none of them Donald.
I live in the U.S., so am less familiar with sources to seek out this information.
Any help or suggestions would be appreciated.
Jean
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hi again troth donald cameron and janet reid had children
margaret b 1763 andantion edinton dull
john b 1765 same place as margaret
patrick 1774 blair atholl
margaret married duncan seaton wester balrobie 1787
cant find marriage of donald and janet or there parents can you help
christina
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Hello Christina
I am searching for Donald Seaton, not Duncan Seaton. In the Scottish Briths and Marriages I can find very few Donald Seatons at all. I have compiled a list of all the Donald Seatons who were born in the right time frame to have fought at the Battle of Culloden, and who could thereafter have had a grandson Alexander, born 1766.
I find one Donald Seaton born 1722 to John Seaton and Margaret McLauchlane. Such a Donald could have fought at Culloden in 1746, either having married in the early 1740s, and his son (name unknown) could still be the father of Alexander Seaton, born 1766. This latter date is pretty certain (both 1841 census and gravestone confirm appropriate age).
The generations between Donald in 1722 and Alexander in1766 would have to be short, 44 years for 2 generations -- not impoisslbe though. I'm hanging my hopes on this connection.
PS. I also have Camerons in my Scottish family, all from Moulin, Perthshire. They all emigrated to Canada in 1835 or so.
Regards,
Jean Frane
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Hi Jean,
Alexander Seaton's monument inscription in Kilmaveonaig churchyard states that he was the son of James Seaton and Jean McLagan.
Born at Linmartig (Loinmarstaig in Glen Girnaig (Moulin parish) 18th May 1765, but OPR says birth 1766
plus mention of wife Margaret Kennedy and son Donald. Do you have these details?
The two adjacent stones are almost certainly related families.
(marriage data) SETTON JAMES JEAN MCLAGAN/ 31/03/1757 384/ 10 223 Moulin parish - see ScotlandsPeople website
Alex has a whole pile of siblings.
Here is a link to the 1st Ordnance Survey map you need in the National Library of Scotland to see Loinmarstaig
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=15&lat=56.7724&lon=-3.7486&layers=5&b=1
We have some photos of Loinmarstaig (in ruins) if you would like them.
Throth (www.borenich.co.uk)
P.S. Where did they settle in Canada?
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i am the granddaughter or George Unwin Seaton (son of Donald Seaton and Isabella MacLennan, Drumcroy) He was married to Elizabeth matheson. Elizabeth is sister of Patricia Matheson who married peter Seaton (the brother of George Unwin)
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Check the website borenich.co.uk. They have helped me enormously finding my Seaton family in Perthshire (Blair Atholll, Moulin, Pitlochry and other places). You can send an enquiry to the borenich "clan" who are researching Seatons in Perthshire. My own Seaton/Setton family goes back to 1715 though, probably well before the folks you are looking for, plus my direct line ended up in
Canada in 1836.
Good luck
Jean Frane
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As Jean says we have a little data on your ancestors already, but they appear to be incomers to the Blair Atholl area. If you go to the Index on the Borenich web-site and choose 'F', this will take you to 'Families' that we are researching - there are a lot. Yours are in Seaton Families 3, but here is a hyper-link:
www.borenich.co.uk/Ross_Document/Seaton_Paterson.html
To minimise clutter we have started a new topic: 'Seaton families in Blair Atholl and Moulin' where we will provide updates on the various Seaton families that we are researching. We are currently working on the Pitdornie Seatons including Cecilia Seaton. It is not currently open to public view, but if it is of interest contact us through the web-site.
Throth (www.borenich.co.uk)
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Hello Fiona,
I am possibly related to your Comrie Seatons. My relatives may be Donald Seaton and Isabel Robertson from Comrie. Donald and Isabel had Jannet in 1699, John, 1701, and Christian in 1704. Isobel dies, and Donald remarries, to Elizabeth Clasar. They have James, in 1708. I believe that John (b. 1701) is my relative who later moved to Blair Atholl, and may have married Isabel McNab, and had Duncan, my 4th great grandfather, in 1727, in Moulin.
Duncan Seatton married Margaret Robertson, and they had Duncan (b. 1760) and Elspeth (she marries David Stewart in Levadge).
Do you have any more information on the Seatons in Comrie?
Thank you.
Ann Seaton
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As Jean says we have a little data on your ancestors already, but they appear to be incomers to the Blair Atholl area. If you go to the Index on the Borenich web-site and choose 'F', this will take you to 'Families' that we are researching - there are a lot. Yours are in Seaton Families 3, but here is a hyper-link:
www.borenich.co.uk/Ross_Document/Seaton_Paterson.html
To minimise clutter we have started a new topic: 'Seaton families in Blair Atholl and Moulin' where we will provide updates on the various Seaton families that we are researching. We have added the Pitdornie Seatons including Cecilia Seaton.
Throth (www.borenich.co.uk)
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Cecilia Seaton
There has been some scepticism that Cecilia could have been the daughter of George Seaton in Pitdornie, as the only baptisms are in Edinburgh, and Cecilia is not included.
However, another daughter has come to light, named Janet, through a marriage in the Dull OPR which is more fully detailed in the corresponding entry in the Logierait OPR.
Dull OPR, 16th August 1795
John Steuart in the parish of Logierait and Janet Setton in this parish, married.
Logierait OPR, 28th August 1795
Were married - John Stewart in Balendune of Clochfoldich and Janet Seaton, daughter to George Seaton in Pitdornie, in the parish of Dull.
This appears to be an older sister, married the year before Cecilia.
We will update the Seatons of Pitdornie web-page in the near future.
Throth (www.borenich.co.uk)
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Hello
I, too, am actively researching my Seaton family and finding that Borenich is an excellent site.
I’m particularly interested in the Seatons who founded Seaton, Illinois. Sources say it was James Seaton (my four x great-uncle) or his son Daniel Seaton. Can anyone shed any light? I would be most grateful. Susan