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]:)Hi all, I was wondering if somebody could lookup the date of birth & death of Arthur J. Nell please.
A while ago I got hold of a rose bowl, on this bowl it has written on it ;
Presented by the Earl of Sheffield
hon col of the
1st Sx Royal Engineer Volunteers,
SHEFFIELD PARK
July 5th 1901
A. J. Nell
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]I found him on the 1891 census has living in Newhaven.
not on the 1901 census because he was at war?
I found his mum & sister on there but no dad or other sister [harriet] can you help on this as well please.
I went down to the museum at Newhaven to find out about Arthur and they had a photo of him in a football team [ Sussex Portland cement works football club, no date]
If you get time please visit this amazing museum ;)
so any help on this family would be most helpful
many many thanks ;)
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Hi Geoff
It seems that the dad, Joseph was on a vessel in 1901
1901;
Newhaven, Sussex
Joseph William Nell, mar , 55, carpenter, b Brighton
on board the vessel: Normandy
cannot see Arthur j at the moment
will look further
deb :)
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This could be his birth registration:
Arthur james Nell
Sept q 1873
Steyning Sussex
vol 2b p 255
his sisters:
Harriet Sarah Nell
Sept q 1878 Steyning
vol 2b p 292
Mabel Nell
dec q 1880 Steyning
vol 2b p 275
deb
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hi geoff and Hi Deb,
not much more but it seems that dad ,Joseph was a SHIP carpenter. :) and in 1891 Arthur worked at a cement works.
Debz
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Hi debzzzz ;D
okay ...I think this is Harriet Sarah Nell:
marriage;
Harriet Sarah Nell to either Charles Mills or Ernest Albert piper
Mar q 1899 Lewes
vol 2b p 249
1901
64 Elphick rd, Newhaven
Ernest A Piper head mar 26 ship steward/seas b Newhaven
SARAH wife 22 b Shoreham, Sussex
deb
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Hi
this is the only marriage I can see of a Joseph William Nell to a Harriet.
dec q 1870, Epping, Essex
vol 4a p 99
Joseph William Nell and on same page; Harriet Folkes
In 1891 Harriet Nell, the mum says she is born in Kempston Bedfordshire. In 1861 There is a Harriet FOLKES b 1842 , Kempston Bedfordshire withe her parents:James (a gardener 45) and Sarah (41)
and siblings:
Alfred 17
Barslett ? 10 (son)
Ann 8
Lauretta 6
Charlotte 4
all born Kempston
living at Green End, Public House
deb
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Hi Geoff & welcome to Rootschat :)
It might be worth looking at the local newspapers for that time to see if there is an article concerning the presentation. How did you come by the Rose Bowl?
jane
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First of all, I would like to say a big thank you all for your help,
Right, now this is how it started. :)
I'm researching the history of Fletching Sussex, I'm allways looking for anything to do with the village and surrounding hamlets, one day I looked on the web and saw that a rose bowl was up for sale [the one I mention in my post].
So I brought it. And then I dissided to look up Arthur J Nell,
someone other than me who had wanted to buy the bowl told me that Arthur had came from Newhaven and that he has got Arthur's Boer war medal. So I started looking for him. I have not yet read the papers from that time. but I have read the
book SUSSEX SAPPERS by Morling, and it mentions the fact that Lord Sheffield gives a party and that each man from Eastbourne Newhaven & Seaford are presented with a Rose bowl each.
I do have the lists of men from Eastbourne Newhaven & Seaford so there must be 100's of these bowls somewhere.
So, Arthur was born 1873 and by 1891 he was working in the cement works, he was also in the cement works football team which I have a photo of, kindly taken from a photo kept by The Newhaven Local Maritime Museum, ;)
by 1892 he had enlisted in the 1st, Sussex Royal Engineer Volunteers, by 1901 he got his rose bowl.
What happen to him after this I do not know yet.
Can anybody put a date to his death please... :'(
Again Many Many Thanks...
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Hi Geoff,
I too can't find him on the 1901 census so maybe he was overseas ( the 2nd Boar war) & that's maybe where the medals came from :)
His death is not showing on FreeBMD but that doesn't surprise me as that could be as late as the 1940's or 1950's or later. Only 1 marriage found for Arthur Nell but that's in W. Derby in 1922 so a bit of a long-shot :-\
Does this other collector have a family interest in Arthur? Such a nice story!
jane
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Thanks for all replies so far... :D
The rose bowl came from Ebay...
Story so far;
Iv got hold of Arthur's war papers which has him in the 2nd boer war. it looks like he joined the south African police
as did a lot of soldiers [this is on his papers]
I'm going to put an article in the local newspaper to see if anybody knows anything,
Many Many Thanks...
to be continued
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Can't wait for the next installment ... nice research so far Geoff :)
jane
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Hi all, right I'm getting closer I went to the library today and found some things on the 1st Sussex royal volunteers,but not the presentation of the rose bowl!
but I did find about the football at Sheffield Park which is connected to Arthur Nell,
I did not get time to look at the 1851census for the rest of Arthur's family, so I was wondering if someone would be kind enough to do lookup for them for me please then that way I will have both family's [Iv got Arthur's mothers side]
Arthur's Mother is buried in Newhaven somewhere and I'm hoping to find out were it is this weekend [hopfuly]
the story will continue...
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Hi geoff
This may be Arthur's dad in 1851
1851
21 Essex Place, Brighthelmstone, Sussex
John NELL head 26 plasterer b Middlesex London
Jane nell wife 24 domestic duties b " "
J Nell son 3 b Brighton Arthurs dad ?
J Nell dau 1 month b Brighton
Willm Siggs brother in law 22 b Brighton
Matild? Siggs sister 21 b Brighton
will follow up with 1861 to make sure
deb :)
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eekkk I may have posted the wrong family :-\ sorry
In 1861
New Shoreham
Caleb Paine 34 head mar blacksmith b Sussex
Caroline Paine wife 41 b Sussex
theresa L dau 4
Cornelius son 1
Joseph Wm NELL son in law 15 Shipwrights app b Brighton
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Harriet White head 67
Joseph White son 24
next door
Henry Law head 31 and family
in 1851
Middle St, Shoreham
Harriet White head wid 56 b Sussex
Henery Laws son unm 24 b sussex
Joseph White son unm 14
CAROLINE NELL dau unm 31 b Sussex
JOSEPH WM NELL grandson 5 b Sussex Shoreham
Caroline NELL granddau 1
Caroline Nell = Caleb Paine
June q 1856 Steyning Sussex
ummm will look further
deb
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hi again
It's all getting interesting :)
1841
New Shoreham
Middlestreet
John White 35 lab
HARRIET WHITE 40 ( Caroline's mother?)
John White 8
Joseph White 4 (with Harriet and Caroline in 1851)
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Ann LAWS 20 Milliner
Sarah Laws 17 F S
William Laws 16
Henry Laws 12 (he was with Harriet and Caroline in 1851)
these must be Harriets children by first marriage
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James PAINE 50 bargeman
Ann Paine
Henry paine 25 shipwright
CALEB PAINE (Caroline's husband)
Isaac 15
Mary 10
on IGI extracted
Caroline NELL d/o George Nell and Harriet
1 aug 1819 southwick
It looks like Harriet was married a few times ... will look further
deb
added ..Caroliane NELL is 20 in 1841 and working as a F S in Brighthelmstone
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It's getting rather confusing :P
Okay found this marriage on IGI
Harriet NELL = Henry LAW
13 jan 1824 Southwick Sussex
then this;
Children of John WHITE and HARRIETTE
John BISHOP WHITE b 1 april 1833 chr 9 oct 1836 New Shoreham
Joseph WHITE b 10 aug 1836 chr 9 oct 186 New shoreham
so Harriet ?? marries George NELL and has Caroline b c 1819 (mother of joseph Wm Nell who is the dad of Arthur J NELL)
Then Harriet NELL marries Henry LAW (in 1824) and has Henry b c 1829 (he is her son in the 1851 census)
Harriet marries John WHITE and has John and Joseph
arrghhh cannot find Harriet's marriage to John White
deb
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Hi Geoff
thanks for the PM ...noticed you mentioned that you did not have Joseph william Nell on the 1881,
1881
New Shoreham
High street
Jos/h Wm Nell head mar 35 boot and shoe dealer b Brighton
Harriet wife 38 b Bedfordshire
ARTHUR J son 7 b New Shoreham
Harriet L? dau 2
Mabel dau 1m
deb
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Hi all,
right, Iv found Harriett Nell's grave but No gravestone ??? there are no other Nell's in this graveyard, The story with the newspaper is ; I sent a letter to the local paper and waited for it to come out on the following Friday. it was not in it!! so I took a letter and handed it in to them and waited for Friday to come Still not published Whats going on!!
Now I'm going off to Scout camp before I go I give my partner a letter to take to the newpaper and to ask them whats going on, when I return on Saturday I look in the local paper just hoping BUT No still no Letter I ask my partner whats going on she tells me that they don't print letters concerning family history you think they would have told me after all this time...so where now...
I will continue...
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Hi Geoff if you contact Peter Bailey via Newhaven Museum he has a article in the Sussx Express each week called memory lane in which things are printed that are taken from the Newhaven Museum
he could perhaps print the photo of the Portland Cement Works namign Arthur Nell, it may stir up some memories from the townsfolk.
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Hi Geoff4, I am treasurer of Newhaven Museum. I have been in contact with the guy with the medal and can send you a photo of Nell. email me through the Newhaven Museum website (info@....) I would like a photo of the bowl please if possible. Nell returned to SA, joined the Police force and then developed some nasty habits with the young native men of the village!! They were afraid to report him but he then tried his luck with another Police officer who didn't appreciate his attentions and he was given 1 yr hard labour for 12 charges. I can't find any record after that. Pete
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:) I have now come to the end of my quest for Arthur.
I'm afraid that because he was a very naughty person >:(
I can no longer look for him...
So I would like to thank all the people who helped with info
Deb USA
Newhaven historical society local and maritime museum
[ please visit if you can]
Newhave town council
and everybody else
many many thanks
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:) I have now come to the end of my quest for Arthur.
I'm afraid that because he was a very naughty person >:(
I can no longer look for him...
i'm intrigued
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Geoff has decided to not pursue this as he has connections with youngsters and feels that any equiry into Nell and his habits might be taken the wrong way. However I would like to know what became of him just to file in the museum. Regards Pete