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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Limerick => Topic started by: tawnyren on Saturday 14 June 08 04:27 BST (UK)
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Hi would anyone have any information on William SCANLON or SCANLAN b abt 1792 Parish Ch, Rathkeale, Limerick, Ireland, He married Sarah LODOWICK on 22 May 1817, Parish Ch, Rathkeale, Limerick, Ireland
They had the following Children
MARGARET 5 March 1818 Courtmatrix, Limerick, Ireland
JOHN TROOPER 22 Feb 1821 Courtmatrix, Limerick, Ireland
CHRISTOPHER 26 Oct 1824 Court Village, Limerick, Ireland
Any help would be greatly appreciated
Cheers
Sonja
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William Scanlan is my great, great, grandfather. If you are a descendant, we are related.
Sarah Lodowick was an Irish Palatine and her ancestors emigrated from the Palatinate area (south of Frankfort) of Germany in 1709.
I have substantial information about Christopher S and his descendants. He is my great, grandfather who married Emily Teskey, also an Irish Palatine, in 1845 and immediately immigrated to York, Ontario, Canada. He and Emily had nine children. Christopher subsequently married Belinda Teskey, Emily's niece, in 1866 and moved to Thronbury, Ontario. They had five children including Alfred who is my grandfather.
I have visited Rathkeale, Ireland; Osthoffen & Assenheim, Germany; and Thornbury, Ontario, Canada.
How are you related to William?
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Regards
Larry Scanlan
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Hi Larry
William and Sarah are my 5 times gt grandparents, their son John Trooper scanlan married Louisa Teskey and had a daughter Mary ann Scanlan, she immigrated to NZ where she married a Donald or Daniel Corboy. Have had no luck tracing William Scanlans ancestors, any help you could give would be appreciated
cheers
Sonja
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I also have not had much luck with William Scanlan's ancestors. I am going to be in Salt Lake City next month and plan on spending a good deal of time at the Family History Library there. That may reveal something new.
I have a lot of information about the Teskey ancestors if you are interested.
I am very interested in your line. Did any of the children of John Trooper immigrate to Canada? There are a lot of Scanlan's in Ontario and I have not been able to connect them to any of my ancestors, although I have not spent a lot of time in that direction.
We have spent a great deal of time in New Zealand, mostly in Dunedin, and love the country. Are you in NZ? If so which city?
Apparently, I am not able to give you my email for direct contact except by PM which I am not yet eligible to use.
Try using my first name with a domain consisting of my firstlastname. Dotcom of course.
Larry Scanlan
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Hi Larry & Sonja,
I came across your messages regarding William Scanlon/Scanlan & Sarah Lodowick. I THINK that their daughter, Margaret (born 1818) was my gg grandmother. According to her cemetery inscription she was born in Limerick, Ireland but her death registration does not give her parent's names. My gg grandfather (her husband) was, Amos Fizzell (surname changed to Frizzell) in the next generation here in Canada. Amos was born in Court Matrix, Rathekeale to Amos & Ellen Fizzell. I have been unable to find a marriage record here in Canada or in Ireland for them, however they did come to Canada before 1847 as their eldest son, John, was born here. There were many Palatines who immigrated to Camden Twp, in Lennox & Addington Cty at the same time & they all settled nearby to one another.
The interesting thing is the names of Amos & Margaret's children:
John (named for Amos' grandfather)
William (named for Margaret's father?) My great-grandfather
Amos (named for Amos & his father)
Sarah (named for Margaret's mother?) Sarah married a Teskey as well
These given names are repeated in the next generation as is the given name Christopher....
Have you ever come across any information at all about William & Sarah's daughter Margaret?
I have also seen an online tree that says Sarah Lodowick married two more times (first marriage to a Moor & then to Samuel Doupe after William's death). There was a Lodowick family (John s/o Christopher Lodowick & Martha Teskey) that came to Ontario about the same time as my gg grandparents - they eventually settled in Ontario County, Ontario & changed their surname to Lodwick in later generations.
I would love to hear from you both.
Cindy Smith
Ontario, Canada
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Cousin Cindy,
Sarah Lodowick and William Scanlan are my ggg parents. They had three surviving children, Margaret b. 5 mar 1818; Christopher; and John Trooper b. 1827. Christopher; b. 26 Oct 1824, Courtmatrix, Limerick, Ireland; d 28 Sep 1916, Thornbury, Grey, Ontario; is my gg father. He and Emily Teskey married 21 Oct 1845 and immediately immigrated to Vaughn, York, Canada. Emily died about 1865. Christopher married Belinda (Teskey or Farley) in 1866. Belinda is my gg mother.
I am off to Salt Lake City Tuesday and one of my objectives will be to sort out the ancestry of Belinda. If she is a Teskey, as her daughter asserts, then she is the sister or the niece of Emily depending upon who you trust about her parents. However, a marriage record showing Christopher S marriage to Belinda Farley exists and needs to be reconciled.
My records indicate that Sarah did marry three times. First to James Moor, 31 Oct 1812. He apparently died and she married William 22 may 1817 (I have seen the micofilm). William died 3 April 1830 in Rathkeale, Ireland. Sarah then married Samuel Dobe 14 Feb 1831.
I have a fair amount of detail on Sarah's ancestors but nothing on William's (a second project for Salt Lake). I also have a good deal of information on Margaret's brother Christopher.
I can send you a gedcom file or I can print to a pdf file if you tell me that you would like to see.
You can contact me using (*)
Look forward to hearing from you
Larry
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Hi Larry,
Thank you so much for your prompt reply.
I too have tons of information on the Teskey family as they are so interconnected with the Ontario, Palatines. We have just started up an Ontario Palatine group within the Ontario Genealogy Society. The Teskey family here in Ontario are quite well documented. I show Louisa/Louiza was the d/o Garrett Teskey & Mary Ann Shier.
Christopher Scanlon married Emily Teskey who was the d/o James Teskey & Dora Cornwall. After her death, Christopher married her sister, Belinda Jane Teskey (you are correct - I also have a copy of the marriage & does say Belinda Farley and the parents don't match). On Belinda's death registration though it clearly lists James & Dora as her parents.
An interesting tidbit regarding Samuel Doupe (Dobe) that married Sarah Lodowick. Some of his brothers & sisters (I haven't found Henry) also came to Ontario. His brother Jacob, in fact lived in the same community as my Fizzell/Scanlon family. Another brother went to Grey Cty & another to Peterborough Cty. His sister, Rachel married a Shier & they lived in Grey Cty as well.
I do think that Sarah Lodowick was somehow connected to Christopher Lodowick (quite possibly his daughter as her birth date fits in).
I am very interested to hear how you make out in Salt Lake City. If you come across a marriage for Margaret Scanlon/Scanlan & Amos Fizzell, Fitzell, Fizel (the name is spelled so many different was), I love to hear. They were either married here in Ontario (probably Camden Twp), in Quebec or in Limerick, Ireland.
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Cindy
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Hi Larry,
Just realized I made a typo regarding Belinda Jane - I agree that she was probably the d/o James Teskey (s/o James & Dora) and his wife, Amelia Switzer. The name "Leedy" on her marriage record is interesting though as there was a William Teskey (s/o Christopher Teskey & Sarah Ann Bowen - their family also settled in Camden Twp where my ancestors did) who married a Mary Reedy. Sometimes the more you find, the more confusing it all gets!
Cindy
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Hi
I have some dates that I recorded for the Doupes from Rathkeale Parish, Limerick. I have Samuel and Henry plus some others, but don't know if they're the males you are after.
What was the approx year of birth for the brothers you refer to?
My grandmother was a Doupe - hence my interest.
Cheers
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Larry,
Familysearch.org has the baptism in Rathkeale of Lodowick Doupe on 8 Jan 1810 - parents Sarah Lodowick & Charles Doupe.
Cheers
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Sorry for jumping around a bit here but it was quite common for a widow to revert to her maiden name and it looks like:
Sarah Lodowick and Charles Doupe had a child (Lodowick) bapt in Rathkeale in 1810 before Charles disappeared/died. (Are you certain Sarah and Charles married? The Rathkeale Marriage Register should show this).
On 31 Oct 1812 she is shown as Sarah Lodowick when she married James Moor at Rathkeale.
Finally on 22 May 1817 Sarah Moor married William Scanlan again, at Rathkeale.
With several marriage records, it is quite likely that at least one of these will give the name of the bride's father.
Cheers
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Hi again,
To avoid any confusion, it seems that there were two John Trooper Scanlan children born to Wiliam & Sarah. One born 1821 and died 26 Jan 1826. Their son born 1827, who was baptised 1 Jan 1828 was then also called John Trooper. Again, this was quite common.
Cheers
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Sonja,
I am the 2 Gt Grandson of William Scanlan. (William, Christopher (bro of John Trooper), Alfred, Joseph, me) We communicated in Sept of 2009. Are you still doing family history? Let me know here or by via my previous email.
Larry Scanlan
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www.historicgraves.ie has several memorials for the Douce & Fitzell families
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Hi, John Trooper Scanlan Married Lousie frances Teskey- Daughter- Sarah Agness Scanlan 1864-1939 Married Thomas Johnston-1872 b. Melborne austrila, died July 16 1948 Muskegon Michigan USA- Sarah and Thomas had 3 childern- Thomas Eldridge, Charles E. and Adelaide who married Frank Blohm in Mich. USA the had 2 daughters- Isabella and Lois, and 2 son Donald and Darrel Blohm ( my dad). reading this thread I found that maybe Sarah had a sister named Mary anne? BUT I am trying to find out why Thomas (son) had a different last name??? any help would be nice...I assumed that Sarah was married before she met Thomas Johnston which lead me here....
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still looking for Thomas Elbridge. as related to the scanlans
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Where and when did Sarah Agness Scanlan marry Thomas Johnston?
Have you got a record of their marriage, it should state if she was a widow or not.
Have you got them in a census? How is Thomas Eldridge recorded.
Are you sure Eldridge is a surname and not a second christen name.
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Sarah and Thomas married 14 Nov 1895 in COOK COUNTY, ILLINOIS, U.S.A. a groom named THOMAS M JOHNSTON, will check to see if she was listed as a widow-Thank you. Thomas Eldridge is recorded in family album and death notice in news paper for Sarah - He is listed as Thomas Eldrige, Eldrige could be a middle name..I am not sure, but when Sarah came on the boat from Ireland so Did Thomas Eldridge. Sarah and Thomas Johnston met on the boat.
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Is this Sarah and Thomas in Cook in 1900 census?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MS7V-S87
It says two children Adelaide L and Thomas F, both children born after the marriage.
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There is a passenger record for a Amanda and Sarah Scanlan arriving New York 1890
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MS7V-S87
and births of
Sarah Agnes Scanlan 1864
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1864/03591/2323936.pdf
and Amanda Scanlan 1869
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/supp_births/2341383x.pdf
parents John Scanlan and Louisa Teskey
Does any of this fit with what you know about Sarah?
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Sinann- Hi yes it appears that Sarah and Thomas Scanlan cook county mich. is mostly correct...but they had 2 children after date of marriage, Charles and Adelaide...The oldest son was on the ship coming over. Adelaide (Married Frank (Blohm) who is my Grandmother, Uncle Charlie and his wife Helen and Uncle Thomas whom everyone called Uncle Timmy....I knew them well. so the mystery continues about Uncle Tim aka Thomas.
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It looks like Charles wasn't born until about 1903 so he wouldn't be on the 1900 Census
1910 Census Michigan, all 3 children born Illinois.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RVJ-RZ2?view=index&personArk=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AMLRL-Q47&action=view
Note this census says Sarah had 4 children with 3 still living.
1920 Census Michigan. Both Thomas and Charles born Illinois
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRX3-32B?view=index&personArk=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AMZQV-5T4&action=view
What year did Adelaide marry Frank?
Did you check the marriage cert of Sarah and Thomas, is she listed as a widow? What name is given for her father? and mother if she is listed, who are the witnesses?
You said Thomas and Sarah met on the boat? What boat when?
Also that the son Thomas Eldridge arrived in America with Sarah, what ship did they arrive on, what year? Can you post links to any of these records?
So far all I can find is that Sarah had 3 children with her husband Thomas M Johnston after she arrived in America and after her marriage.
Adelaide, Thomas and Charles.