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Welcome to this weeks Scavenger Hunt and It's Matilda1973's turn and we're back to the Romany's this week, this usually gets lots of results. I'm sure you'll all be able to help Matilda.
Good Luck and Good Hunting
Barbara
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After much thought I've decided to go with my husbands Romany Loveridge family.
William Loveridge aged 21 married Annie Loveridge aged 19 in the Ledbury district Hereford on the 28/9/1899. Williams Father Thomas Loveridge Tin P?? maker Annie's father Cornelius Loveridge Basket Hawker.
I haven't been able to find them on any census. They went on to have 8 children that I know of:
Annie 16/8/1901 Ledbury Hereford married Christopher Ryalls/Royals
Alice married ?? Smith
Joe/Joney married Caroline Lamb
William married Mary Biddle/Beddle
Helen/Nellie married Leonard Smith (possible cousin)
Becky 25/5/1912 newton Abbott Devon married Bill Smith
Phoebe married Sam Ryals/Royals (brother to Chris)
John married Amelia Hurn/Hearne
I believe Annie's Parents were Cornelius and Valentine Loveridge nee Davis who married 16/8/1875 Highworth Wilts. Valentines father James Davis, and Cornelius father Henry Loveridge.Valentine died 13/8/1900 in hereford. I have Cornelius and other children in 1901:
RG13; Piece: 2430; Folio: 8; Page: 7.
Charles Loveridge 23 s
Cornelius Loveridge 54 head
Elizabeth A Loveridge 15 d
George W Loveridge 13 s
Henry Loveridge 25 s
Mary A J Loveridge 17 d
I also have this family in 1901 which i think maybe another child of Cornelius and Valentine.
RG13; Piece: 2470; Folio: 18; Page: 3.
Bertha Loveridge 29 wife
Cornelius Loveridge 28 head
Matilda Loveridge 4 d
Nicholas Loveridge 6 s
Norah Loveridge 3 d
Valentine Loveridge 6 months d
I would love to find more about these family's, in other census, any births or baptisms and anything at all about Williams family as Ive not found them at all, I know you're all great searchers and I'm hoping you can help me out thanks Matilda
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8)
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Bookmarking, hiding..........or was that a grin of expectation Toni?? :D :D
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:D Saving this with all expectations............ ;D ;D
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I knew you lot would get into this one..........those Romanys are just tooooooo fascinating :D
Barbara
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bookmarking but its sunny today so put my shades on!
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. Williams Father Thomas Loveridge Tin P?? maker
Tin PLATE maker
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BVRI - FHL Film 950242 - Dates: 1876 - 1902
Parents: Cornelius & Valentine LOVERIDGE
All children christened 17 Dec 1879 Wiltshire Chippenham
LOVERIDGE, Henry - Birth 28 Apr 1876
LOVERIDGE, Charles - Birth 18 Jan 1878
LOVERIDGE, Ann - Birth 9 Dec 1879 (looks like Annie)
IGI extracted: parents Cornelius & Valentine LOVERIDGE
MATILDA LOVERIDGE 06 MAY 1870 Highworth, Wiltshire
Cas
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1881 Rg11 2935/138 11 Summerfield Lane, Hartlebury, Worcester.
Is this a possible ??? Have you seen this already ???
Thomas Loveridge Head 26 Kidderminster
Emma Wife 28 Stone Worcs
William E Son 3 Hartlebury
George E Son 1 Hartlebury
Nieghbours :-
Price
Mussey
Mayall
Interestingly ( But might NOT be yours) 1881 Just straw clutching ;D
RG11 2518/138 9
John Loveridge Head 40 Tibberton
has an Arthur Price Loveridge son 3
and an Emma Lane (serv) 16 (1865) b Ledbury.
Hmmmmm.. Back later :D
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Marriages
William Loveridge age 25 - Mary Bennett age 22 - 15 MAY 1843 Bosbury Hereford. His father on BVRI: Robert Loveridge (possible connection somewhere?)
LOVERIDGE, Cornelius Age: 20 & Bertha SLENDER Age: 21 - 11 Sep 1893 in Bosbury, Herefordshire
Fathers: Cornelius LOVERIDGE & William SLENDER
BVRI FHL Film 1593876
BVRI & extracted IGI - Annie Loveridge - William Loveridge 28 SEP 1899 Bosbury Hereford (our couple)
Cas
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oh my word there were 76 Loveridge births with MMN. Loveridge from Q4 1911 to Q4 1920
i just lvoe this one:~
LOVERIDGE Cinderella Loveridge Biggleswade.3b 576 Q2 1913
there were a few Freedom Loveridges - typical romany name and also a couple of other typical romany names too.
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looking for William Loveridges birth
aged 21 in 1899 thus making him born 1878 (or not!)
LOVERIDGE Walter Beeching Nottingham.7b 345 2 1878
LOVERIDGE William Uxbridge.3a 27 1 1877
LOVERIDGE William Newent.6a 265 3 1878 Matilda has triend this one
LOVERIDGE William Highworth.5a 14 1 1879
LOVERIDGE William Edwin Droitwich.6c 383 4 1877
LOVERIDGE William Henry Ludlow.6a 581 2 1877
LOVERIDGE William Henry B Bethnal Green.1c 271 3 1878
LOVERIDGE William James Oxford.3a 669 3 1877
LOVERIDGE William Thomas Newport Pagnell.3a 586 3 1877
LOVERIDGE Willie Faringdon.2c 273 4 1879
LOVERIDGE Winifred Banbury.3a 801 1 1877
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interesting census here:~
1891
Christ Ct Buildigns Stair 1 no. 1 Oxford (st Thomas)
Charlotte Loveridge Head Widow 76 hawk pedlar b. oxon wiston on green
George son m. 52 .....zier & tinman b. Hurley Tow OXon
Georgina dau. in law 49 b. Bicester
George grandson 25 general labourer b. oxon st thomas
Rosina grandau. 23 laundry maid b. do.
alice do. 19 tailoress b. do.
emily do. 18 do. b. do.
William grandson 13 printers boy b. do.
James do. 9 scholar b. do.
what drew my attention to this is that charlotte is a hawker . pedlar and also her son George is a tinman
don't assume that George is this William father as William is the grandson of the head of the household i.e. Charlotte and George is her son
Charlottre could quite possibly have other children who William belongs to but on census night he was at his grandparents.
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Love the Cinderella Loveridge.........how gorgeous :D :D
Barbara
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Hi All
I didn't find Cinderella (love it)
but I did find this group in Chippenham in 1871 (along with 3 or 4 other travelling/hawking familys) - all in the same lot of lodgeings, I think they could well fit in somewhere
1871 Chippenham
RG10-1898 Fo 97 P9
Denis Loveridge 22 travelling hawker born Oxford
Mary Ann Loveridge 21 born oxford
John Loveridge 4 born Berks Wantage
Denis Loveridge 1 month
Thomas Loveridge 25 licensed Hawker born Oxford
Emma Loveridge 27 licensed Hawker NK
Ellen Loveridge 3 oxford Witney
Edwin Loveridge 2 Berkshire Tubney
Thomas Loveridge 1 month Wilts Chippenham
Henry Lovendge 28 Travelling Hawker born Oxford
Mary Lovendge 24 tarvelling HAwker born Burford
Henry Lovendge 7 born Cheltenham
Ima Lovendge 7 born Cheltenham
DebbieG
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Hi All,
Maybe a marriage :)
Jul-Aug-Sep 1922 Phoebe Loveridge in Witney, Berkshire, Gloucestershire, Oxfordshire.
Spouses surname Rowles
Vol 3a Page 3021
Sue
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hi all, youve been busy already, just in from work give me a min to catch up,
Matilda ;D
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. Williams Father Thomas Loveridge Tin P?? maker
Tin PLATE maker
only looks like 3 letters pod? or maybe pot
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Cas they look great thanks ;D
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Phoebe married Sam Royals 25/11/1937 at Ploughley reg office Oxforedshire.
Sam and Chris Royals were related to Amelia Hurn/ Hearne who married john. some sort of Cousin, still working it out.
Amelias grandfather was john Royal/ryalls a brother was Sam and Chris,s grandfather, has no names yet , thought id save them for another hunt sometime
Matilda ???
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thanks Toni
LOVERIDGE William Newent.6a 265 3 1878 [/s]
have tryed that one, no good
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Great site, and great photos on site 1 & 2
Wonder if the Henry Loveridge listed in 1841 is the dad of Cornelius b 1847? see link
http://romanygenes2.webeden.co.uk/#/census1841/4526588075
Looks another good link
http://passingthrough.wetpaint.com/
Cas
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Hi Cas,
i wondered that myself, have looked in to them but can find nothing to say one way or another. so have kept notes on the side for them. yes its a great site
Matilda ;)
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thanks for the census Lesanne will have a look ;)
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right i am on board!!i have just posted on other threads asking where you were.but all is not lost cathaybs here!!!!only joking of course!but i know this is going to be an intereseting one and parts of my family too.oh boy.i will have to back read how far youve got and then i will try and join in.i also got email the thread to a few who are interested and been waiting for this one.good luck with it matilda.
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Glad you found us Cathay ;)
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havent started yet but please look all around the worcester,warwickshire area.especially for buriels and parish records in redditch.i think i remember a relation mentioning mary biddle before she married and mary biddle/loveridge has been dead quite a few years she also married a william loveridge who is def one of ours matilda.i will make a couple of calls then see if i can locate on cencus or other wise i will have to let you have them direct.see what i can do.but i do know the biddles feature.lets see we have you and me thats one generation then we have our perants and they had perants and of their perants we have a mary biddle marrying a loveridge.does that make sense.it must be late 1800s early 1900s.cathayb
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William was born sometime 1900-1915 so would of married Mary Biddle/ Beddle after 1918 i guess, not sure the year when first child born, anything you can find Cathay would be great
Matilda ;)
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i will be back i promise and it will go on here but i need to speak to you off line in about 20mins so look in your mail box.i am sure people understand but before we can go back in time matilda and i need to check a fact about the living.they are are close relis so no worries but i just need to check something 1st.sorry i seem to be making this worse than it is.i will shut up make my enquiry and get back to you.but we do have some william and annies aswell dont we matilda?i need to be sure which generation the biddle woman is if you know what i mean cathay. of course a good thing would be if i go look at my tree.that will help.
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i,ll wait for you email Cathay
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right i have spoken to matilda.wait for her reply but in the meantime i have found no end of loveridges if you put families of towcester,northamptonshire and go for loveridge.alot of right dates and names.
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Waiting for your mail to come through
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i sent it ages ago!i wondered where you were.dont tell me aol are playing up again.i will try one more time and then i will just have to take it we both not what we are talikng about and go from there.i dont want to hold the chase up at all
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you could pm me on here instead if you want
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Email arrived yes Cathay thats the right lot,
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back a page folks.i think that that henry is the father of cornileius.he married a scarrott and one of their sons is listed cornilieus.
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think its a good possiblity but have no proof so to speak
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i am with it now should have read everything proberly.i have ryall 1851 cencus with some kids in nailsea somerset.i wonder did their kids grow up and marry or coonect to the hearns connected to loveridges.i also 3 henrys some with cencus ref with them i will sort and post.cathay
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im sure those Ryalls fit in with the others somewhere
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i have a cornilieus born approx 1827 in the 1871 cecus glos 1881 cencus wilts and 1891 cencus back in glos.he married amelia duckett and they had a dose of kids including another cornileius.his father was also called cornileus and he was born apprx 1805 and his dad was thomas b.about 1776 and also married a duckett.but i dont know if this is still your line matilda as i have over 100 loveridges let alone who they married into in my line.i think our two lines split with mine coming down through this cornilieus b.1827 and yours goes in to henry and then we meet up again somehow in present times.i am trying to sort out the three or four lines of loveridges.trouble is they all have the same names.cathay
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Blimey ...I forgot that it was Tuesday ::) :o :(
need to carch up ...eeekkkkkk
deb :)
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Cornelius who married amelia Duckett was son of Cornelius and Dethlay Smith (spelt many different ways. that Cornelius was son of Thomas and Rose mund Duckett who were parents of Henry as well who maybe my Corneluis's father hope that makes sence ;)
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Hi Debs good to see you ;D
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does your william have a middle name on his marriage cert?
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toni
no middle names for any of them on marriage or his death cert
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i wonder if we can find these Williams in the 1881 censuas to rule them in or out of the equation :-\
looking for William Loveridges birth
aged 21 in 1899 thus making him born 1878 (or not!)
LOVERIDGE Walter Beeching Nottingham.7b 345 2 1878
LOVERIDGE William Uxbridge.3a 27 1 1877
LOVERIDGE William Newent.6a 265 3 1878 Matilda has tried this one
LOVERIDGE William Highworth.5a 14 1 1879
LOVERIDGE William Edwin Droitwich.6c 383 4 1877
LOVERIDGE William Henry Ludlow.6a 581 2 1877
LOVERIDGE William Henry B Bethnal Green.1c 271 3 1878
LOVERIDGE William James Oxford.3a 669 3 1877
LOVERIDGE William Thomas Newport Pagnell.3a 586 3 1877
LOVERIDGE Willie Faringdon.2c 273 4 1879
LOVERIDGE Winifred Banbury.3a 801 1 1877
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how old as he on his death cert? does it tie in with his age at marriage?
abnd a birth year of circa 1878?
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marriage 1899 age 21 so c1878
death 1965 age 89 so c 1876
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1881
Thomas Loveridge Head 26 Kidderminster
Emma Wife 28 Stone Worcs
William E Son 3 Hartlebury
George E Son 1 Hartlebury
Can't find this one ... argh
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Les that will be William
edward Edwin b. Droitwich Q4 1877 - won't it ? ???
Matila
i found a William Loveridge on IGI b. 1875 bp. 1877 but his parents were John & Angelina
(Milton Bryant, Bedford, England)
he also had abrother Alfred
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Hi again - I have been looking at this, this afternoon I think that it all goes back to Thomas (b abt 1773) Loveridge and his wife Rose they had 4 children baptised in Stoke Lyne, Oxfordshire betwen 1799 & 1818 but there are large gaps when they probably had children elsewhere, I suspect including Cornelius probs born abt 1803 around Standford St Martin (oxen), and a Henry, they certainly had James baptised 1808 in Stoke Lyne who turns up later in Oxford married to Charlotte, who I believe had Thomas who in turn had William, who married Annie, bit this is only an apothosiss - I have been trying all afternoon to find the proof, and I will admit I am only finding random bits of the jigsaw
comments?
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they travelled around the wlaes / oxford / gloucester area as far as i know, there is a family story either William or Annie spoke welsh but not sure which
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LOVERIDGE Walter Beeching Nottingham.7b 345 2 1878
LOVERIDGE William Uxbridge.3a 27 1 1877
LOVERIDGE William Newent.6a 265 3 1878 Matilda has tried this one
LOVERIDGE William Highworth.5a 14 1 1879
LOVERIDGE William Edwin Droitwich.6c 383 4 1877 Les found with father Thomas
LOVERIDGE William Henry Ludlow.6a 581 2 1877
LOVERIDGE William Henry B Bethnal Green.1c 271 3 1878 father Isaac mother Elizabeth
LOVERIDGE William James Oxford.3a 669 3 1877 father Georeg mother Georgina
LOVERIDGE William Thomas Newport Pagnell.3a 586 3 1877 father George mother Elizabeth
LOVERIDGE Willie Faringdon.2c 273 4 1879
LOVERIDGE Winifred Banbury.3a 801 1 1877
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Hi Debbie, i am i trying to work on the male Lvoeridge line from Williambackwards
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Hi Debbie g
i know the family you mean i have some notes on them but have never been able to link them in with any proof. just guess work i have a possible 9 children for Thomas and Rosemund Duckett will have to find notes out for more details
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yes thats what i have in my tree and i have quite alot of cencuses for those.too many too post here.if you want i will email them to you next week for proofs for your tree.yes i thought that your line carried on through henry.my line goes on through cornilieus and at some point an amelia duckett marries in to one of our birch gt.uncles.just read whats happening while i have been writing it def starts with thomas and rosamund.i will try and sort out vsome cencuses.they are there as i dont put names in my tree til i have cencus proof of them or certs.one or the other at least.cathay
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being that Cornelius and Valentine stayed round highworth were they got married i wonder if that one fits i belive there was some hop picking round there but i might be wrong ???
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that would be great thanks Cathay
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i dont know so much about yours matilda but my lot def were oxford(chipping norton)banbury,worcester,redditch warwickshire and stratford on avon etc.,as ours are related i would say they would be most of the time in the same area. but i forget who had joe loveridge?he was the son of one of yours,his daughter is now 67 so he must have been born about 80 years ago was born in peterborough and married a girl from southampton.cathay
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William and Annie had a Joe/Joney who married Caroline Lamb is that the one you mean
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interesting census here:~
1891
Christ Ct Buildigns Stair 1 no. 1 Oxford (st Thomas)
Charlotte Loveridge Head Widow 76 hawk pedlar b. oxon wiston on green
George son m. 52 .....zier & tinman b. Hurley Tow OXon
Georgina dau. in law 49 b. Bicester
George grandson 25 general labourer b. oxon st thomas
Rosina grandau. 23 laundry maid b. do.
alice do. 19 tailoress b. do.
emily do. 18 do. b. do.
William grandson 13 printers boy b. do.
James do. 9 scholar b. do
:o OH's family only next door at no2.... :o Back now... Got sidetracked for moment.... ;D
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Hi
Still trying to cath up
are these your peeps matilda
1841
crockwell, Bicester Market End, Oxfordshire
Cornelius Loveridge 40 brazier
D'Leafey 40
Cornelius 11
thomas 9
Queen Asiony 7
Rose 5
Clementina 2
Georgiana 4 m
all born in county
deb
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Hi Debs
he is son of Thomas and Rosemund, i think one of there other sons Henry maybe where mine come down from , but have no proof just guess work ::)
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Matilda
Did Cornelius serve in the war? eek where was your Cornelius born?...Annie's dad, that is?
deb
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they are mine debs.i was just trying to lok that one up to post cencus details.thanks for doing it for me!!!!cornileus and henry were brothers i think?am i right matilda.was carloine lamb a gaugi?he def married a gaujo.
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Debs i dont know for sure where he was born, no birth or bap for him but on census Stoke lynn Biscester,
Cathay i dont know anythink about Caroline other than her name and whats on there grave at frampton cotrell ;)
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born 1847 oxfordshire,married 1875 wiltshire
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okay;
you have this ;
RG13; Piece: 2430; Folio: 8; Page: 7.
Charles Loveridge 23 s
Cornelius Loveridge 54 head
Elizabeth A Loveridge 15 d
George W Loveridge 13 s
Henry Loveridge 25 s
Mary A J Loveridge 17 d
I also have this family in 1901 which i think maybe another child of Cornelius and Valentine.
RG13; Piece: 2470; Folio: 18; Page: 3.
Bertha Loveridge 29 wife
Cornelius Loveridge 28 head
Matilda Loveridge 4 d
Nicholas Loveridge 6 s
Norah Loveridge 3 d
Valentine Loveridge 6 months d
Cornelius 28 ...was born Wales, Newport Monmouth circa 1873
henry 25 also born wales
Mary A J = Wales
could Annie have been born there too?
did you see the people in caravn neXt to Cornelius snr...
Thomas and Edna Davis .... travilling showman ...are they related?
Edna is born America ....
deb
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Cas found some baps that fit think they are on first page, she could of been born there or knowing how secertive this family seem to be maybe on the moon ;D
dont know anything about the Davis family ???
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im off to bed now, thanks for your help so far, see you in the morning
Matilda ;)
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i am off to bed too.but the ryalls who married into matildas family seen in 1851 cecus nailsea somerset later went to america with corileus cooper and stanleys etc.so edna from america may well tie in somewhere.also cornieus married a valentine davis so possibly part of his family.grandperants maybe.see ya all tomorrow.cathay
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Wasn't Valentine loveridge a Davis/Davies?
deb
night cousins xxx
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Hi Debenheem...
Still working on that post of earlier, for William E with father Thomas in Hartlebury. It brings up some ???.
I'd better post them, just in case someone has some other stuff that ties in.
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1881 Rg11 2935/138 11 Summerfield Lane, Hartlebury, Worcester.
Is this a possible ??? Have you seen this already ???
Thomas Loveridge Head 26 Kidderminster
Emma Wife 28 Stone Worcs
William E Son 3 Hartlebury
George E Son 1 Hartlebury
Neighbours :-
Price
Mussey
Mayall
Interestingly ( But might NOT be yours) 1881 Just straw clutching ;D
RG11 2518/138 9
John Loveridge Head 40 Tibberton
Harriet wife 40
Arthur Price Loveridge son 3
Annie May daug 2
Emma Lane (serv) 16 (1865) b Ledbury.
Lane is another of your names ???
Just found these marriages...
Thomas Loveridge + Emma Mayall (Dudley 1877 Sept 6c 47)
John Loveridge + Harriet Price (Epsom 1876 Jun 2a 11)
This is caught my eye too..
Cheltenham 1872 Jun 6a 720
John Loveridge + Harriet Smith + Thomas Valentine + others on page ???
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Good Morning :)
back to have another look at this today, could you post a list of the 9 children you think Thomas & Rosamund had I wonder?
DebbieG
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So William was the son of Thomas & Rosamund
and was born Highworth ?
Q1 1879 LOVERIDGE William Highworth 5a 14
is this proven now?
Toni trying to catch up
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Morning all
Annie daughter of Cornelius and Valentine, Cornelius son of Henry. Henry maybe son of Thomas and Rosemund Loveridge nee Dukett.
William son of Thomas and ??
Thomas and Rosemund Possible children:
William bap 17/3/1799 stoke lynn oxfordshire
Cornelius bap24/11/1805 steeple barton oxfordshire
James bap 27/3/1808 stoke lynn oxfordshire
Rosemund bap 17/7/1810 ashbury berkshire
Thomas 20/12/1812 stoke lynn oxfordshire
Henry bap 3/3/1814 witney st mary oxfordshire
Mary Ann bap 4/1/1818 stoke lynn oxfordshire
Elizabeth bap 13/9/1820 Charlbury oxfordshire
John bap 21/5/1824 beckley oxfordshire
Matilda ;)
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Thanks Matilda it was William i was working on and got confused as now there are two Thomas' ::)
so what do you think of the census that Lesanne found William E Loveridge with parents Thomas & Emma ? probably nee Mayall
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Helen/Nellie married Leonard Smith (possible cousin)
birth
Cinderella Nellie Loveridge
Q1 1898
Woburn Beds.
3b 381
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this could be her death :-\
Cinderella Loveridge
Birth Date: 1 May 1894
Death Registration Month/Year: Sep 1990
Age at death 96
Northampton
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the census looks hopefull, some one sent me another Thomas before my pc crashed i only have a few notes and i dont know who sent them,
RG10; Piece: 1258; Folio: 11; Page: 11;
Edwin Coffer 5
Joseph Coffer 55
Robersoma Coffer 63
Christofor Loveridge 1
Eliza Loveridge 33
John Loveridge 5
Sopiners Loveridge 9
Thomas Loveridge 38
Thomas Loveridge 7
the person who sent this had said they had other children inclueding a William, but ive never found him. (just found notes this morning) ???
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??? Oh Gawdy.. :o
Which Thomas Loveridge ..... William c 1878
Thomas/Rosamund 1799-1824 ???
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confusing lot arnt they, this Thomas was meant to be father of William husband of Annie hope that makes some sence
:o
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What connection do you have for the Lane family?
As Emma Lane is a serv for Loveridge and she has b/p as Ledbury (marriage place for 'our' couple).
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the Lanes are my side of the family and not travellers came from the same town for a couple of hundred years so not the same family
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;D ;D Hmmmm..... I remember saying something like that.... ;D ;D
Hartlebury has a Tin works. Is on the Oxford rail line. Ref Genuki. ;)
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Les ,no , Thomas & Rosamund are Williams wifes family she too was a Loveridge by birth
i think they are her grandparents possibly great grandparents.
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i took me 4 years to find William and Annies marriage didnt know she was also a Loveridge, only have two of there childrens births. my mothere in law is very closed about her family only saying things after ive allready found out . so make them so much harder.
???
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ive found these which link up with the Thomas i was Sent who married Eliza Coffer?
RG9; Piece: 728; Folio: 119; Page: 19
Adeth Loveridge 2
Eliza Loveridge 22
Thomas Loveridge 28
HO107; Piece: 1731; Folio: 812; Page: 11
Alfred Loveridge 10
Ann Loveridge 45
Edna Loveridge 13
John Loveridge 49
Mark Loveridge 3
Thomas Loveridge 18
maybe a possible for William s Father ???
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Adding to reply 80.... for the 'Highworth' William
that census ref gives
.1871 Lechlade, Glos.
Thomas 38 (1833) Minty Wilts
Eliza 33 (1838) S/set Bath ?
Septimus (? I think) 9 (1862) L/lade
Thomas 7 John 5 Cristofer 1
following Septimus (cause it's a name to follow ;D) finds the family in Lechlade with Thomas died.
1881 Lechlade lodging house.
Eliza 38? Wid
Septimus 18
Thomas 16
John 14
Alfred 9
James 7
Emanuel 4
William 2
+ other boarders inc Smith's !!
1891 Eastrop HIGHWORTH Wilts.
Septimus is a shepard.
Ann wife 28 b/p Highworth
Alfred 6
Thomas 4
Matilda 1m
Marriage:-
1884 Jun Highworth 5a 4 to ANN SELINA COFFEE
Were we looking for her a couple of weeks ago :D ;D
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great that looks good, must of missed that hunt. will have a look
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I don't think we've had this yet, it seems to prove that Cornelius (Annies dad) is the son of Henry who is the son of Thomas & Rosamund
from 1861 Cleeve Prior Worcestershire
RG9-2103 Fo50 P17
Henry Leveridge 43 hawker (I think) born Witney Oxfordshire
Ann Leveridge 45 born Great milton Oxfordshire
Cornelius Leveridge 14 born Witney Oxfordshire
DebbieG
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i wonder if the Ann Selina Coffee was a niecie to Eliza who i think was a Coffee/ Coffer before marriage?
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RG10; Piece: 1258; Folio: 11; Page: 11;
following up on this
(1871)
Sherborne Street Lechalde Gloucs.
Thomas Loveridge head mar. 38 Pedlar b. Minty Wilts.
Eliza wife 33 pedlar wife b. Somerset bath .....
Separles son 9 scholar b. Lechalde
Thomas son 7 as above
John 5 as above
christopher 1 b. do.
Joseph Coffer father in law lodger mar 55 pedlar b. maidstone kent
Rademma ( really hard to read) wife 63 hawker of hares! b. northern buckingham
Edwin son 5 scholar b. do.
this is the birth of the son aged 9 as it is the right reg district for Leclade
LOVERIDGE Seplares Faringdon 2c 247 Q2 1862
1881
RG11 1278 113 3
Lodging House St Johns Street Lechlade
Eliza Loveridge head wid 38 lodging house keeper and dressmaker b. somerset bath
Septimus son 18 ag lab b. Lechlade (all children b. lechlade)
John son 14 scholar (all children hereafter Scholars)
alfred son 9
James son 7
Emmaunel son 4
William son 2
plus several lodgers as you would expct at a lodging house!
can't see the family in 1891 :-\
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saw your reply Les as i tried to post but its taken me ages to type so have posted anyway
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they look great, have to go soon will be back tonight after work, good luck all
Matilda ;)
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Snap Toni......... My reply 89 page 6. ;D ;D
Do you think this is a better William (Highworth) for the husband that the Hartlebury one??
Septimus wife Ann born Highworth.
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well i dont think this one has a midle name as per the mariage and sdetah cert, did you find them in 1891?
can you read the mother in laws first name?
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Found in 1901 Cold Ash, Berks.
Brothers
Emmanuel 23 and William 21 (both single) with James (Head) and Lucy (wife nee Barr).
Neighbours ~ Barr, Franklin.
Marriage, 1900 Dec Newbury 2c 549 Lucy Ann Barr.
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i couldnt see them!
i guess Eliza has died then
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Looking at marriages Thomas and Eliza.
Both as Loveridge 1858 sept Witney 3a 955
(this one :o 1863 Jun Totnes 5b 377
Elizabeth Susan Lamb CREWS with a Thomas Loveridge on same page)
we have Joney (one of their children) marrying Caroline Lamb.
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i've got a banging headache! am going to have to go will be back later hopefully
that marriage looks good Les.
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Hope you soon feel better Toni :-\
You're all going great guns here. :D
Barbara
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:) Hope it clears soon Toni.
It's very heavy over here too. Have you got the rain yet!! or is it hitting us first.
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popped back for for a min, hope you feel better soon Toni
it really dark and close down here in somerset so rain must be on its way
Matilda
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Morning all
I am lost again ...need to reread! ... I have a cold .. summer colds are the worst I think. :-\
anyway ...tell me who to look for ...
deb :)
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Evening Deb :) :)
Matilda i have quite a few PRs for around Berkshire so i thought id have a look for your family
on one of Faringdon cds as Toni had found a William born there. Havent found him but have
found these. Dont know if they help or not :)
Buckland PRs
Feb 12 1837 Rowsey Loveridge dau Henry and Ann, lab
Great Coxwell PRs
Apr 17 1825 Esther Loveridge d William and Traynot, travelling brushman,Malvern Warwickshire
Feb 10 1833 Moses Loveridge William and Traynot
Jun 18 1854 Richard Loveridge s Joseph and Amelia, travelling tinman, Bicester, Oxon
Sue
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Evening Deb, Sue... ;D
William of Hartlebury is the one I'm chasing.
As yet found in 1881 aged 3 s/o Thomas and Emma (nee Mayall) Hartlebury Worcs.
I would of expected the name Mayall to have shown up somewhere else though... ???
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Evening All
I was looking at Loveridges with connections to Lechlade and I noticed something a bit odd - your thoughts please
there are this lot in 1861 - which Matilda gave us
RG9-728 Fo 119 P 19
Thomas Loveridge 28 born Fulbrook
Eliza Loveridge 22 born Bicester
Adeth Loveridge 2
and then these that have been found there in 1871
1871)
Sherborne Street Lechalde Gloucs.
Thomas Loveridge head mar. 38 Pedlar b. Minty Wilts.
Eliza wife 33 pedlar wife b. Somerset bath .....
Separles son 9 scholar b. Lechalde
Thomas son 7 as above
John 5 as above
christopher 1 b. do.
Joseph Coffer father in law lodger mar 55 pedlar b. maidstone kent
Rademma ( really hard to read) wife 63 hawker of hares! b. northern buckingham
Edwin son 5 scholar b. do.
Now the approx years of birth of Thomas & Eliza are near enough the same but the places of birth are completely different - are they the same couple or two different couples?
With the places of birth of the first couple I have found Thomas and his birth family in 1851 (in Fulbrook) and he would be the son of John & Ann Loveridge, John being a Tin plate worker which is helpful. I also have his marriage, he was the one who married Eliza Loveridge (d/o William). I think given the presense of the Coffers they must be different couples but it is quite a coincidence with the names and ages being the same.
What do you think?
:-\
DebbieG
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Hi Debbie,
Reply 89 page 6.
Been working on this family looking for the 'Husband' William c1878 and only working forwards found by 1901 William is with his brothers and single.
I didn't look in 1861 for them.. :-[
Found 2 marriages as posted.
'eck ;D
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Hi Debbie and Les
on the original of 1871 Separles the son .... it looks like his name could be Sepimus/Sefimus.
were was Adeth born? (2yrs in 1861)
deb
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i found his birth earlier
reply 93
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Les do you think Mayall could be mistranscribed Ryall? Matilda has that name in her tree
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Adding to reply 80.... for the 'Highworth' William
that census ref gives
.1871 Lechlade, Glos.
Thomas 38 (1833) Minty Wilts
Eliza 33 (1838) S/set Bath ?
Septimus (? I think) 9 (1862) L/lade
Thomas 7 John 5 Cristofer 1
following Septimus (cause it's a name to follow ;D) finds the family in Lechlade with Thomas died.
1881 Lechlade lodging house.
Eliza 38? Wid
Septimus 18
Thomas 16
John 14
Alfred 9
James 7
Emanuel 4
William 2
+ other boarders inc Smith's !!
1891 Eastrop HIGHWORTH Wilts.
Septimus is a shepard.
Ann wife 28 b/p Highworth
Alfred 6
Thomas 4
Matilda 1m
Marriage:-
1884 Jun Highworth 5a 4 to ANN SELINA COFFEE
Were we looking for her a couple of weeks ago :D ;D
From Toni....
this is the birth of the son aged 9 as it is the right reg district for Leclade
LOVERIDGE Seplares Faringdon 2c 247 Q2 1862
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[ OPPS soorrrry.... :-[
Marriage:-
1884 Jun Highworth 5a 4 to ANN SELINA COFFEE
Were we looking for her a couple of weeks ago :D ;D
From Toni page 7
this is the birth of the son aged 9 as it is the right reg district for Leclade
LOVERIDGE Seplares Faringdon 2c 247 Q2 1862
Mayall is as written on census 1881 Hartlebury
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are your Loverisge's anything t do with teh Loveridge Boundary Ligh?
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Hi Deb (USA) in answer to your question Adeth was born in Fulbrook - but I have checked the registers and I couldn't see a baptism for her
I see what your saying about the Willam & brothers being unmarried in 1901 Lesanne, but if we have two different couples of Thomas & Elizas, it still leaves the earlier one found in 1861 with a possible Thomas unaccounted for, many of his family were tin plate workers
- or am I clutching at straws here?
DebbieG
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Has anyone seen the Hatlebury William's parents in 1891.
Thomas Loveridge (1855) 36 Kidderminster and Emma nee Mayall. 38. Stone
I have found Thomas aged 16 as Grandson in 1871 Stone, Worcs. with William and Sarah and again with William and Sarah in 1861 Kidderminster, Worcs. aged 6.
I can't find William and Sarah in 1851 with the other children... possibly Thomas's parents... :-\
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Hi Debbie
I see there is a birth reg for "female Loveridge' at the right time ...maybe Adeth?
I cannot see Adeth with parents in 1871.... wonder if she died ...the name my also be spelt wrong ...maybe Edith .... If we could find them then we would at least know that there are 2 families headed by Thomas and Eliza.
deb
added... I think they are two diff families ...especially with Joseph Coffee/Coffer as the fil ...although I cannot find a marriage or the Coffee family in previous censuses....
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Lesanneeee
woohoo found them in 1851 William and Sarah and family ...will try to find them in 1841
under LIVERSIDGE
HO107/2078 419 32
deb :)
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The 1861 address is St John street Lechlade Lodging House same as
1881 St John street Lodging House.
I found Eliza a widow then in 1881 with Septimus etc...
and Septimus is in the 1871 with Thomas and Eliza.
Yikes..... ;D ;D Don't you just love 'em...
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1851
Kidderminster
William Loveridge 41 masons lab b Powick?
Sarah 38 b Chadderley
John 17 b Stone
William 15 "
sarah 11 "
Ellen 6 b Kidderminster
Jane 4 "
Eliza 2 "
Emma 6m "
deb
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Lesanne
The family are in Stone in 1841 ..there is No son Thomas :-\
deb
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OOo well done Deb...
Thomas is GRANDSON aged 6 in 1861...... which of William and Sarah's children had Thomas c1855 Kidderminster Worcester.... ???
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William Loveridge + Sarah Elden 17/2/1834 St Mary's, Lambeth, Surrey. I033432
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ahhh okay ...gotcha ;D
okay their son John , is with them in 1861, aged 27...so maybe william b c 1836 Stone?
deb
errr are these Matilda's Loveridges ? they don't seem to be Gypsies!
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That's what I was a thinking Deb.... but someone inthe family married a Gaugi... ;D
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Hi All im back, give me a min to catch up
;) matilda
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wheres matilda?the marriage to the gaujo was joey in the early 1900s
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What date was that Cathay?
Was it Caroline Lamb?
Did you catch the Elizabeth Susan LAMB Crews married in Totnes 1863 Thomas Loveridge on same page?
Nice to see you I was thinking I'se all alone..... :P
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errr are these Matilda's Loveridges ? they don't seem to be Gypsies!
i was thinking that too
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i havent got a date but yes that was caroline lamb but i am not sure now if she was a gaujo i think she may have been half and half.this family you ve found at the moment i dont think they belong to matilda.a lot of her family are also in my tree and i dont recgnise the names.cathay
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going by the ages of people i know in the family i would say joey married 1920 to 1930s
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Sorry just catching up, Joney was born around 1906 it was he that married Caroline Lamb, im guessing sometime after 1922 but dont has a birth of marriage for him :(
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i wonder can we find carloines mum and dad.
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It does look abit like that. ;D
Added... Why would William and Sarah marry all the way over in Lambeth ??? ??? in 1834 ???
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i dont think she would be on the census unless she was a bit older than him
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Cathay if Matildas family are in your tree do you now who William who married in 1898/99 s/o Thomas family was
we don't know his mother - if you don't know then you cannot say this is not the family i needs to be proven
the family Les and I followed through for Williams parentage etc was the one that matilda was given by some other source
Les also found a William E - i think mayeb the William b. Droitwich he had a fatehr Thomas but we can'tfind him in later census and Matildas marriage and death cert for William dont show a middle name
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have we desided that Thomas and Eliza Coffee/coffer are not Parents of my William, ??? i wonder if she was a Cooper not coffer
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he married annie in 1899 in bosbury and i dont know whhere that is.yes i get your point toni,i should have thought of that as i dont know who his mother was either.sorry
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Bosbury = ledbury Herefordshire
maybe William was from Wales?
i have only searched the england census :-[
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Do you have William and Annie's marriage cert Matilda?
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mind you the BMD covers England and Wales so the William Loveridges births i found earlier still stand ;D
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Les - see here
William Loveridge aged 21 married Annie Loveridge aged 19 in the Ledbury district Hereford on the 28/9/1899. Williams Father Thomas Loveridge Tin P?? maker Annie's father Cornelius Loveridge Basket Hawker.
I haven't been able to find them on any census. They went on to have 8 children that I know of:
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yes as Toni quoted
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Witnesses ? ;D This is abit of parish info. Tin making place..
The parish, which is considerable, is situated near the Worcestershire and Staffordshire canal, and the river Severn. It contains the hamlet of Upper Mitton. Here are extensive iron and tin works, which afford employment to many of the inhabitants."
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is this one too young to be your William ?
RG12; 4410; 80; 58
look much more like travellers!
will post full details in a min
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yes thats possible,cause annie who he marrieds brother henry was born in wales i think.is that correct matilda?
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witnesses Evelyn Mary Burgess Bayly (vicars wife??)
Alice Elizabeth Wodsworth
Vicar R burgess Bayly
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yes i belive some of annies family could of been born in Wales, but have no idea about William sorry ???
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is this one too young to be your William ?
RG12; 4410; 80; 58
look much more like travellers!
will post full details in a min
93 Coedpermain Road, Pontypridd Glamorgan
Thomas Loveridge m. 53 Labourer Collier b. Devon Colyton
Sarah wife 51 b. Devon Shute
Florence Dau. 15 b. Dorset Lyme Reis
Minnie dau. 13 Scholar b. Dorset Bridport
Debie ??? 9 do. b. do.
William son 8 Scholar b. do.
John son 2 b. Glamorgan Pontypridd
Grace Lovel Boarder wid charwoman b. Devon Tiverton
John boarder 10 scholar b. Glamorgan Rhodda
William 8 do. so. b. do. (something in Welsh written in Disabilty box)
all speakth thee Englishe
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;D Glad to see your heads better Toni... New sheet of note paper ready and pencils sharpened...... 8)
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beat me to it.your too fast.yes thats them i think and i have saved copy of cencus to computer louise so will send over record.i will send the bit with thomas and sarah .william is on the next page age 8 scolar.cathay
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yes but when he married he was aged 21 and when he died he was older - obviously but i mean amaking him born before when he would have been born to be aged 21 when he married
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worth looking into , but maybe a bit young if he married 1899 what do you think?
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Whaaaaa ;D ;D Throw that in a-gin Toni... ;D
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don't gypsies marry young! did you see the young Polish gypsy that married on the news she was 13 i think
no but seriously i think a bit young too.
Les i had a, yes just 1, paracetamol earlier and nearly choked! i dont like taking medicine i tired the water and food but the headache still wouldnt shift,
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okay when he married he was 21, making him born circa 1877/8 but when he died he was ..... making him born circa 1875/6
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;D dont you just love um
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marriages 1870 Mar Axminster 5b 27
Thomas Loveridge
Eliza Rendall
Levi Trivett
Sarah Jane Trivett
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ages with travellers is so dodgy at the best of times.if this is him he would be 16 when married!for a traveller boy that would be fine even now they are often considered men and sent to work with their dads at age 11.you could marry at 12 at sometime in england and then 14 wasnt it?even with a birth cert with travellers i am never quite sure.i had one of mine change her name and lose 10 years over night when the cencus caught them again the next day in a different place they moved too.cathay
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i know what you mean, William and Annies son john, used the name Jack and Thomas aswell and his age changed by about 7 years, ive never found a birth for him. there oldest daughter was born Annie but married as Finch Loveridge
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right bed for me now.shopping tomorrow.see you tomorrow p.m.
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nite Cathay
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Mm
I have found what I think may be Valentine in 1871, but the site I did it on doesn't give me the full ref the best I can do is RG10/2613 and I think it's fo 17
the place is St Mary delode Gloucester - there is
Sarah Davis Head Mar 50 Tinmans hawker born Malmesbury Wilts
Jonas Davis Son Un 18 Tinman born Berks Illmington (I think this should be Abingdon)
Alice Loveridge dau Mar 35 Tinmans Hawker born Gloucestershire Cheltenham
Betsy Loveridge dau Mar 27 Razor Grinders wife born Oxford
Valentine Loveridge dau mar tinmans hawker born Oxford
I have been trying to find any of them in other years and the only one I can is Alice who is with Job Loveridge (born 1831 Stoke Lyne) in 1881, I shall have to go to bed soon so I thought it time to put it on to see if anyone else can make anything of it.
:)
DebbieG
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That all looks good Debbie.
I darn't leave the William 'husband' side. Swimming in them, my head will explode.
Just got to see if the Trivett's are in, got a busy day tomoz.
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that look good Debbie
im off to bed too, got work in the morning but will be baqck around lunch i hope, thanks agian for all your hard work ;)
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Mm
I have found what I think may be Valentine in 1871, but the site I did it on doesn't give me the full ref the best I can do is RG10/2613 and I think it's fo 17
the place is St Mary delode Gloucester - there is
Sarah Davis Head Mar 50 Tinmans hawker born Malmesbury Wilts
Jonas Davis Son Un 18 Tinman born Berks Illmington (I think this should be Abingdon)
Alice Loveridge dau Mar 35 Tinmans Hawker born Gloucestershire Cheltenham
Betsy Loveridge dau Mar 27 Razor Grinders wife born Oxford
Valentine Loveridge dau mar tinmans hawker born Oxford
I have been trying to find any of them in other years and the only one I can is Alice who is with Job Loveridge (born 1831 Stoke Lyne) in 1881, I shall have to go to bed soon so I thought it time to put it on to see if anyone else can make anything of it.
:)
DebbieG
Great find deb.... :)
I have been looking at the same family (of Alice) in 1881/1891/1901, but could not make the connection, until you posted....thought Alice could be sister to Valentine ;D
BRB with postings
Been going round in circles since yesterday...but great learning curve... learnt a lot about Romani and their culture
Hope I can find them again....
Cas
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Son of Alice & Job Married Matilda Allen
Marriages Dec 1894
Allen Matilda Cheltenham 6a 839
Ball John Cheltenham 6a 839
Flavell Alice Maud Cheltenham 6a 839
Loveridge Jonas Davis Cheltenham 6a 839
1901 - RG13 Piece 2461 Folio 61 Page 8
Pantile Row, Cheltenham Gloucestershire
Matilda Loveridge 22 head, m, hawker of wire utensils, West Ham, Essex
Valentine M Loveridge 6 dau, Cheltenham Gloucestershire
Emma Loveridge 4 dau, Cheltenham Gloucestershire
Job Loveridge 1 son, Cheltenham Gloucestershire
Emma Allen 44 mother, retired laundress, Kent, Greenich
Now for the 1881/1891 for Alice's family....
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Link is here
http://www.rootschat.com/links/03nt/
1881 - RG11 Piece 2573 Folio 38 Page 35
17 Worcester St, Cheltenham Gloucestershire
Job Loveridge 50 head, m, tinman, Oxford, Stoke under Lyne
Alice Loveridge 48 wife, hawker, Glos, Staverton?
Florence Loveridge 18 dau, laundress, Glos, Stow on the Mold
James Loveridge 16 son, Wilts, Malmesbury
Thomas Loveridge 12 son, Worc, Droitwich
Job Loveridge 9 son, Glos, Cheltenham
Jonas Loveridge 6 son, "
Polly Longton 16 boarder, unmar,, hawker, Worc, Droitwich
At least we have a connection to the Davis family... hopefully :)
In 1891 RG12 Piece 2047 Folio 154 Page 22
Grove st, Cheltenham
Job Loveridge Hawker, m, b Oxford age ? and son Jonas 16, b cheltenham are lodging with a few other men, looks like a public house
Cas
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Thomas Loveridge b Colyton Devon s/o William and Mary P001851
1841 Colyton Devon with parents on farm
Thomas 5
and sibs Robert 7
Mary 2
1851 Colyton Devon as serv aged 14 working on farm.
can't see parents....
1861 not found.
1871 Colyton devon with Sarah and Mary S aged 3m
1881 Bridport Devon Thomas is Tanners Lab
sarah
Fanny A 8
Florence M 5
Minnie 3
Doesn't seem to be a Travelling family either... :-\
Nitey nite all..
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Good Morning :)
Another little bit on Valentines family, here are her brother & mother in 1881 + a couple of Duckett cousins and it looks as though brother Jonas married a Lamb :)
1881 - cheltenham
RG11- 2571 Fo 69 P 7
Jonas Davis 30 travelling pedler born Abingdon
Priscilla Davis 25 born Wilts Swindon
Sarah Davis 60 mother widow born Wilts Kemsford
Sarah Davis 1 born Gloucester
William Davis born Wilts Marsden
Cornelius Duckett 17 cousin travelling pedler born Wilts Swindon
Elizabeth Duckett 12 cousin pedlers servant born Wilts swindon
Marriages Mar 1879
COWLING James Cheltenham 6a 541
DAVIS Jonas Cheltenham 6a 541
Lamb Priscilla Cheltenham 6a 541
Price Martha Cheltenham 6a 541
DebbieG
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From page 1. Is there a connection??
Annie 16/8/1901 Ledbury Hereford married Christopher Ryalls/Royals
Alice married ?? Smith
Joe/Joney married Caroline Lamb
William married Mary Biddle/Beddle
Helen/Nellie married Leonard Smith (possible cousin)
Becky 25/5/1912 newton Abbott Devon married Bill Smith
Phoebe married Sam Ryals/Royals (brother to Chris)
John married Amelia Hurn/Hearne
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Thomas Loveridge b Colyton Devon s/o William and Mary P001851
1841 Colyton Devon with parents on farm
Thomas 5
and sibs Robert 7
Mary 2
1851 Colyton Devon as serv aged 14 working on farm.
can't see parents....
1861 not found.
1871 Colyton devon with Sarah and Mary S aged 3m
1881 Bridport Devon Thomas is Tanners Lab
sarah
Fanny A 8
Florence M 5
Minnie 3
Doesn't seem to be a Travelling family either... :-\
Nitey nite all..
Les but hes in Wales in 1891 and the children were born all over the place
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i cant find the census Debbie found with Valentine on it it just wont come out from where it is hiding >:(
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Hi Matilda - I can't find it on ancestry either, I found it on the Soc of Gen site Origins they only have 41, 61 & 71 but their transcriptions are usually a bit more accurate so I use them for some things - it is there honest
DebbieG
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Morning Toni,
How's the head or best not to remind it. :-\ All in Dorset till the last one John in Wales.
That Price name again :o from Debbie's post.
Marriages Mar 1879
COWLING James Cheltenham 6a 541
DAVIS Jonas Cheltenham 6a 541
Lamb Priscilla Cheltenham 6a 541
Price Martha Cheltenham 6a 541
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thanks Debbie, though i was just being thick, i wonder what ancestry has them down as to be hiding away
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yipee found them on find my past.com on same page are:
Joseph loveridge 26 m knife grinder glos newham
Mary ann m 27 hawker/pedlar berks farringdon
sarah 7 bristol
george 5 swidon wilts
thomas 3 lechdale glos
joesph 9 month mang?? glos
rg10/2613 f17 p23
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or that Lamb name again ;D
Matilda, we (Debbie mainly) have established that Annies side were travellers, could it be that William married into a travelling family?
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as far as i know (which aint alot) he came from a travelling family too, but anythings possible, they were a very secertive family
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I have Lamb in my family too...........wouldn't it be funny if.......... ;D ;D ;D
Barbara
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okay, just throwing anything in!
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i was convinced for yours that my MiL family were beemed down from another planet as i couldnt find anything on either of her parents or there brothers and sisters just a few graves ??? ::) ;D
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They're all with Ernest........ ::) ::)
Barbara
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Found this William Loveridge bap 10 Apr 1870 Wantage, parents William and Mary, Tinkers.
Did you have this one on your list Toni?
Sue
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Are the Scarrett family yours Matilda?
Marriages Jun 1867
LOVERIDGE Ellen Kidderminster 6c 301
PRICE Sarah Kidderminster 6c 301
Skarrett Charles Kidderminster 6c 301
TARPEY James Kidderminster 6c 301
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yipee found them on find my past.com on same page are:
Joseph loveridge 26 m knife grinder glos newham
Mary ann m 27 hawker/pedlar berks farringdon
sarah 7 bristol
george 5 swidon wilts
thomas 3 lechdale glos
joesph 9 month mang?? glos
rg10/2613 f17 p23
Could be that Mary Ann (wife of Joseph on same 1871) is also a Davis, maybe another Dau?
As there are bapts on IGI for 2 of her children in Highworth Wilts, about the same time that Cornelius and Valentine was there....
Parents Joseph & Mary Ann Loveridge
JOSEPH LOVERIDGE Christening: 30 NOV 1873 Highworth, Wiltshire
ROSANNA LOVERIDGE Christening: 30 NOV 1873 Highworth, Wiltshire
1881 - Mary Ann is a widow, with another dau, Rosanna age 6 born Berks....14 Little Ann St, Bristol St Philip & Jacob Out, Gloucester. See link
http://www.rootschat.com/links/03nz/
Cas
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Les i think they join in somewhere,
thomas and Rosemunds son Henry who seems to be mine married Ann Scarret/ Scarrott, they also link in with my Orchards along the line :D
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;D Kidderminster still in the 'frame' then.
Gotta go unpack, I got home on Saturday !!!!
::) ;D
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sounds good Cas, Valentine called 2 of her girls Mary a and Elizabeth A (betsy) maybe after her sisters
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Perhaps the marriage cert for Jonas Davis - Pricilla Lamb could confirm if his father was also James. Which with census info, could be another confirmation if it is Valentines brother....and her mother was most likely Sarah...
Perhaps someone has got PR's for Cheltenham... :-\
Cas
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Found this William Loveridge bap 10 Apr 1870 Wantage, parents William and Mary, Tinkers.
Did you have this one on your list Toni?
Sue
no i didnt have him on the list as i only looked 1877-1878
should i consider widening the search years, particualry as the death age makes him born prior to 1877/8
Matilda knows his father to be Thomas - from the marriage cert.
he doesnt appear to have a middle name as neither were shown on the marriage or death cert
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off to workk for a few hours catch up later ;)
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Found these 2 marriages on OFHS Marriage Index cd
Aug 12 1805 Peggy Loveridge and Thomas Skerry, traveller married at Banbury
Aug 16 1809 Pricilla Loveridge and Lazarus Davis married at Banbury
Might not be any help but worth a try :) :)
Sue
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I'll look through my Oxfordshire PR CDs ( not the whole county)
I have found a marriage at Hook Norton 12/3/1821 Thomas Loveridge bachelor exparochial to Lucy Hill spinster exparochial.
Witnesses Thomas Smith, Rosanna Lamb and Joseph Phipps ( he looks like the resident witness in H N)
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would he be too old to be having children in 1870's - well nto him we all know men can father children right up to when they die!
i mean her - Lucy
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A bit more from the village of Drayton Oxfordshire.
Baptism 25/5/1783 Robert Loverage son of Mary a traveller.
Robert appears to have stayed there.
Burial 18/5/1819 Martha Loveridge
Marriage 4/2/1822 Robert Loveridge widower to Elizabeth Ingram spinster both OTP witnesses Joseph Loveridge and Charlotte Ingram
Baptism 21/7/1822 James son of Robert and Elizabeth Loveridge labourer
Burial 1/8/1823 Robert Loveridge age 40.
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An interesting entry from the village of Hanwell
Baptism 8/7/1775 John Loveridge son of John and Esther travellers of Winterbourne Whitechurch in the county of Dorset. Privately. See her examination in the Parish Chest taken by me Thomas Gill ( the vicar)
Looks like he gave Esther the third degree before he would conduct the baptism.
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that is interesting
do youthink these Loveridges are connected to Annie or Williams?
most likely we wil find they were 'cousins' from sveral generations back
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Toni As there is already an Oxfordshire connection I thought I would let you see all I could find, you never know something may just jump out as being relevent to Matilda or anyone else with the Loveridges in their tree. I have more to look through, but later.
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Hi - I'm just back (been for coffee with mum)
I have some Oxfordshire transcripts too, in the ones for Chadlington I found a baptism 1837 for Elizabeth d/o James & Sarah Davis - travellers, I think this could be Valentines sister
DebbieG
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the trouble is there are
65 Loveridges in the 1891 census in Oxfordshire
64 1901
55 1881
40 1871
28 1851
22 1861
11 1841
i geuss as they aer travellers etc they won't appear in the historical directories.org
Matilda sorry, what were the address of each patry when they married?
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toni, it just says Bosbury for both of them they were married by banns so should of been there for a while Matilda
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A few more, like I say if they are of no use just ignore them.
Kiddington baptism 29/7 1821 Joseph son of William and Thrannett a razor grinder.
Steeple Barton baptism 24/11/1805 Conneless Loveredge a tramper ( no more details given)
Steeple Barton burial 4/6/1851 Joseph Loveridge of Lechlade Gloucestershire age 76
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toni, it just says Bosbury for both of them they were married by banns so should of been there for a while Matilda
3 weeks
banns had to be read tat both parties church for the 3 consecutive weeks leading up to the wedding and they had to attend church then too
re the Loveridges in Oxon int eh cnesus this is of course the people TRANSCRIBED as Loveridge and does not accoutn for transcriptions errors, the 11 people in 1841 were all of the same family
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You were looking for Davis as well?
Kiddington baptism 16/7/1806 Septimus son of William and Mary Davis travellers
I haven't looked for Davis in all the parishes.
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Jaywit, thanks i,ll keep them all on file you never know when they might fit in ;)
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I'llpost anyway, not sure if we've got it... ;)
1901 Bewdley Worcester.
Loveridge.
William 38 General Hawker.
Annie 34
William 12
Annie 10
Nellie 7
Authur 3
All above b/p Not Known
Esther Price S in Law 30 Gen Hawker Bewdley.
William of Hartlebury is Edwin Loveridge on 1891 'Temmerfield' should be
Summerfield Lane Hartlebury
Still trying to find him 1901.
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OHHHH MYYYYY ...so much info ;D
Give me something to look for .... :)
deb
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Hello Deb :D
Still looking for Hartlebury William in 1901... as above post
;D WANTED Dead or Alive.... ;D
Opps.. prevoius page now. 14.
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Hi Matilda - I may have missed it, but what occupation did it give for William on the marriage cert?
DebbieG
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:o 1871 Longworth with Charney Bassett, Berkshire.
Richard 21
Mary 21
Eliza 11mnths
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William was a hawker on marriage cert
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Hi everyone & Matlida
Just catching up didn;t realize it was your turn Matlida hope it goes well
I found these in Gloucestershire
Marriage Mary Loveridge ( P Newent) to Thomas Dowding 20th May 1802
And a Soldier : 1WW George Loveridge Pte 4540 died 20/07/1916 commemorated Thiepval memoorial
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1881 CENSUS No 42 STREET SUTTON COUTRNEY BERKSHIRE
Richard LOVERIDGE Head M Male 31 Faringdon, Berkshire, England Tinman & Brazier
Mary LOVERIDGE Wife M Female 30 Pusey, Berkshire, England Hawker
Eliza LOVERIDGE Daur Female 11 Newbury (Newdury?), Berkshire, England Scholar
John LOVERIDGE Son Male 9 Newbury (Newdury?), Berkshire, England Scholar
Richard LOVERIDGE Son Male 7 Abingdon, Berkshire, England Scholar
Esther LOVERIDGE Daur Female 5 Wallingford, Berkshire, England Scholar
Henry LOVERIDGE Son Male 3 Sutton Courtney, Berkshire, England
Rosa LOVERIDGE Daur Female 9 m Sutton Courtney, Berkshire, England
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:D Thank you for posting that Tiggi.
The thought of little Eliza and how she grew up.
Who's line is she in ?
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1881 CENSUS HAIL WESTON LANE IN TENTS (little paxton Hungington)
Cornelius LOVERIDGE Head M Male 28 Saffron Walden, Bedford, England Scissor Grinder
Emma LOVERIDGE Wife M Female 29 Keysoe, Bedford, England Pedlar
Andretta LOVERIDGE Daur Female 10 Offord, Huntingdon, England
Henrietta LOVERIDGE Daur Female 8 Offord, Huntingdon, England
Emma LOVERIDGE Daur Female 5 Keysoe, Bedford, England
Angelina LOVERIDGE Daur Female 3 Bluntisham, Huntingdon, England
Susannah LOVERIDGE Daur Female 9 m Abbots Ripton, Huntingdon, England
1881 CENSUS 3 IN COURT 4 JACKSON LANE WELLINGBOROUGH NORTHAMPTON
Cornelius LOVERIDGE Head M Male 38 Towcester, Northampton, England Tinker
Caroline LOVERIDGE Wife M Female 38 Towcester, Northampton, England
Edith LOVERIDGE Daur U Female 14 Silverstone, Northampton, England Hawker
Louisa LOVERIDGE Daur Female 12 Towcester, Northampton, England Scholar
Alice LOVERIDGE Daur Female 9 Wawrick, Northampton, England Scholar
John LOVERIDGE Son Male 6 Banbury, Northampton, England Scholar
Cornelius LOVERIDGE Son Male 2 Banbury, Northampton, England
Thomas LOVERIDGE Son Male 2 w Wellingboro, Northampton, England
1881 CENSUS ON LYDIARD PLANE IN CARAVAN WILTSHIRE
Cornelius LOVERAGE Head M Male 54 Marsh Gifford, Buckingham, England Traveling Tinman
Amelia LOVERAGE Wife M Female 46
Louisa LOVERAGE Daur U Female 20 Witney, Oxford, England
Jane LOVERAGE Daur U Female 17 Witney, Oxford, England
Sarah LOVERAGE Daur U Female 15 Witney, Oxford, England
Cornelius Loveridge married Amelia Duckett abt 28th Dec 1851 Fullbrook Oxfordshire
Cornelius Loveridge aged 27 married Valentine Davis aged 28 - 16th Aug 1875 Highworth Wiltshire ( Cornelius father was Henry loveridge)
Valentine Davis father was James Davis
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1881 CENSUS BROADMOOR WOOLHOPE HEREFORD
Henry LOVERIGE Head M Male 58 Marlborough, Wiltshire, England Travelling Tinker
Harriett LOVERIGE Wife M Female 43 Salford, Lancashire, England Tinkers Wife
William LOVERIGE Son M Male 25 Peterstow, Hereford, England Tinker
Tranett LOVERIGE Daur U Female 18 Little Dean, Gloucester, England
Sarah LOVERIGE Daur Female 15 Woodside, Gloucester, England
Jane LOVERIGE Daur Female 12 Smethwick, Warwick, England
Paticence LOVERIGE Daur Female 8 Park End, Gloucester, England
Edwin LOVERIGE Son Male 3 Hope Mansell, Hereford, England
Charlotte LOVERIGE Daur Female 1 Woolhope, Hereford, England
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1881 CENSUS OAKFORD KINGSEIGNTON DEVON
George LOVERIDGE Head M Male 38 Gloucester, Gloucester, England Horse Dealer
Rebecca LOVERIDGE Wife M Female 36 London, London, Middlesex, England
George LOVERIDGE Son Male 11 Newton Abbot, Devon, England
Rebecca LOVERIDGE Daur Female 15 Plymouth, Devon, England
John LOVERIDGE Son Male 9 Newton Abbot, Devon, England Scholar
Rose LOVERIDGE Daur Female 7 Newton Abbot, Devon, England Scholar
Henry LOVERIDGE Son Male 4 Newton Abbot, Devon, England Scholar
Frederick LOVERIDGE Son Male 2 Newton Abbot, Devon, England ((Scholar))
Florence LOVERIDGE Daur Female 1 m Kingsteignton, Devon, England
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well done tiggi.15 pages opf us going about the business and tiggi puts our family in lovely order with all the cencuses.thats great isnt it.makes it very plain what we are working with.thanks tiggi. oh matilda theyve just had to wipe me off the floor.i read your pm to me first.is it for real and really you or did someone pass it on.tears came to my eyes and my stomache hurts from laughing!!my brother gets married sat so dont have much time now but john just rang about he hopes your family but hes on hols so cant do alot til he gets back but hes been to timberscombe somerset nr.minehead and found 8 loveridge/holland marriages.he will post to us when he gets back.timberscombe parish records that is.also brittainia hughes who married thomas holland there,buried there.died 13/08/31 age 81. and a trinette holland died 1970 age 56.the loveridge baptisms marriages etc in parish records all in 1947.okay back to the loveridge here now,cathay.hes done photos for you of the graves
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I have just started reading all your question's and responses and I noticed the name Emma Mayall who married a Loveridge. Is Emma a Rom. I am researching Roms in Australia and I have noted a man by the name of Alfred (Fred) Mayall who arrived in Western Australia in 1856. He married an Aboriginal women "Jinnie" and had a daughter "Nellie Mayall" Nellie went on to have a couple of partners and a large family. If anyone would like the info contact me- Romany Roser.
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Hi Romany Roser, welcome to rootschat, there are a lot of things we are tryign to establish Emma being a romany is one
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:D Hello Romany Roser,
A very warm welcome to Rootschat.
I hope you find some good information here, we are all trying to help each other with what ever resources we have to hand.
The Mayall family were in Stone Worcestershire in 1881 census.
Emma Mayall married Thomas Loveridge and they have a son William, of the same age as we need for this 'hunt'.
I hope Matilda has chance, after going through all these pages, to contact you, as there might just be a connection. :D
Please add anything you have to the 'hunt'.
Nice to 'meet' you. Lesanne.
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Welcome to RootsChat Romany Roser. Have you seen the other 'Hunts' looking for Romanys?? I'm sure you'll find them very interesting
I'll see if I can find them.
Barbara
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Here's one for you to look at.
Parts 1 and 2
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,265094.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,266055.0.html
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Here's another
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,290053.0.html
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Morning all looks like youve been busy .
thanks Tiggi the census are great. Cathay thank john for me cant wait till he gets back that sounds fab. the email was forwarded on to me but i thought is was worth sending on, gave me a good giggle.
Romany Roser if theres anything i can help with send me a PM and all do all i can
Matilda ;)
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And here's another Romany Hunt.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,286905.0.html
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yes welcome my friend.i know you will enjoy these hunts and the travellers forum.tanya is a meber aswell.you will find some folk up and about when your up and about aswell!love cathayb
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Hi Cathay
will have to try a get hubby to got to timbercombe sometime for a look, not that far from us,
Cant wait to find out what Holland marriages hes found, as i know mine travelled roung that area.
Matilda ;)
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Morning all
Its raining today so gonna be about looking for you matilda can yu put down basically who you want to find ?
I have several marriages don;t know if any are yours but here goes :
Martha Loveridge + Chas( charles) Davies 1798 Shipton- on Stour Worcestershire
Robert Loveridge + Susanna Small 1798 Brancombe Devon
Moses loveridge + Simphy Smith 1793 Onley Buckinghamshire
Ann Loveridge + Steven Pearce 1802 Onley Buckinghamshire
Soloman Loveridge + Mary Pierce 1803 Onley Buckinghamshire
Charlotte Loveridge 1812 Nathaniel Smith Onley Buckinghamshire
Job loveridge + Prudence Smith 1812 Onley Buckinghamshire
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Oh missed one lol
William Loveridge + Dorcas Smith 1812 Onley Buckinghamshire
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Hi tiggi
im trying to sort out my loveridges. william and annie married 1898 in bosbury. they were both Loveridges before marriage.
i think we have sorted Annie out a little her parents were Valentine and Cornelius loveridge nee Davis you had the marriage in one of you posts. Valentines Father was James Davis, her mother looks like it could be Sarah(dont think we have a last name. looks like Cornelius parents were Henry and Ann Loveridge nee Scarrott/ scarrett. (would like to find any more kids of theres and Ann' s family) Henrys parents are thomas and Rosemund Loveridge nee Duckett.
Williams father is Thomas Loveridge still working on his mother.
would love any info on them or on William and Annies kids as not found births or bap for most of them
Matilda ;)
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8 children that I know of:
Annie 16/8/1901 Ledbury Hereford married Christopher Ryalls/Royals
Alice married ?? Smith
Joe/Joney married Caroline Lamb
William married Mary Biddle/Beddle
Helen/Nellie married Leonard Loveridge (possible cousin)
Becky 25/5/1912 newton Abbott Devon married Bill Smith
Phoebe married Sam Ryals/Royals (brother to Chris)
John married Amelia Hurn/Hearne
these are the children that i know of Matilda ;)
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Hi Matilda
Well that's interesting about Henry Loveridge and maybe Ann being a Scarrett /Scarrott
As you may remember I am still trying to find anything about my great great grand parents James Smith & Elizabeth Scarrett just wondering if maybe just maybe Ann & Elizabeth could be related
I know we connect up via their children with Joe Orchard marrying Peggy Smith ( their daughter) and Orchard father married a Scarrett woman was it Caroline or Susan ?
the problem is could have changed their names not surname but 1st name I can;t find a Valentine Davis at all but she could have used another name
but will look about see what I can find
sandy
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thanks Sandy
that would be great possible for Valentine in 1871 was found yester day but we couldnt get it on ancestry must be on under something else or missing. i dont know who Anns parents are will have a look see if i have area she may of come from
Matilda ;)
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Mm
I have found what I think may be Valentine in 1871, but the site I did it on doesn't give me the full ref the best I can do is RG10/2613 and I think it's fo 17
the place is St Mary delode Gloucester - there is
Sarah Davis Head Mar 50 Tinmans hawker born Malmesbury Wilts
Jonas Davis Son Un 18 Tinman born Berks Illmington (I think this should be Abingdon)
Alice Loveridge dau Mar 35 Tinmans Hawker born Gloucestershire Cheltenham
Betsy Loveridge dau Mar 27 Razor Grinders wife born Oxford
Valentine Loveridge dau mar tinmans hawker born Oxford
I have been trying to find any of them in other years and the only one I can is Alice who is with Job Loveridge (born 1831 Stoke Lyne) in 1881, I shall have to go to bed soon so I thought it time to put it on to see if anyone else can make anything of it.
:)
DebbieG
this is it ;)
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Ann from Oxfordshire in census Under Leveridge
Caoline married William Orchard and Susan married Joseph orchard i think they were both sisters of you Eliza werent they?? all children of William and Jane nee brice or have i got muddled? ???
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Matilda
check out this Census 1891 RG12-1169 folio 10 p13 St Thomas Oxfordshire
I am wondering if this is your William Loveridge born 1878 Oxfordshire aged 13 down as Grandson but parents are George & Georgina ? loads family on their and George is zTinman it looks like his mother is Charlotte( widowed) and she is 76 listed as Hawker Pedlar
If you can;t find it or see it let me know will post it up
sandy
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Ann from Oxfordshire in census Under Leveridge
Caoline married William Orchard and Susan married Joseph orchard i think they were both sisters of you Eliza werent they?? all children of William and Jane nee brice or have i got muddled? ???
Yes both Caroline & Susan were sisters but never been able to find anything to tie in Eliza to them as of yet
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interesting census here:~
1891
Christ Ct Buildigns Stair 1 no. 1 Oxford (st Thomas)
Charlotte Loveridge Head Widow 76 hawk pedlar b. oxon wiston on green
George son m. 52 .....zier & tinman b. Hurley Tow OXon
Georgina dau. in law 49 b. Bicester
George grandson 25 general labourer b. oxon st thomas
Rosina grandau. 23 laundry maid b. do.
alice do. 19 tailoress b. do.
emily do. 18 do. b. do.
William grandson 13 printers boy b. do.
James do. 9 scholar b. do.
what drew my attention to this is that charlotte is a hawker . pedlar and also her son George is a tinman
don't assume that George is this William father as William is the grandson of the head of the household i.e. Charlotte and George is her son
Charlottre could quite possibly have other children who William belongs to but on census night he was at his grandparents.
its here Tiggi
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Hi toni Lol
Should Have known you would have seen it I do agree with you wonder if this is William Matilda is looking for ?
They are in 1881 Census same place too all the family, but William is listed as son of George & Georgina Loveridge on this Census, but does Matilda actually have proof of William's parents ? or are we barking up wrong tree ?
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trying to post a photo of Holy Trinity Church Bosbury where William Loveridge might hve married
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Holy Trinity Church Bosbury
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thanks Tiggi the church looks lovely. Thomas named a s father on marriage cert, i know thats not always 100% ;)
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well at least we knew thgeyt married there.lovely photo of church,goin add it in the phots of the family as we have so few.cathay
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they married there 28.9 1899.i myself am sure thats where they married.i also think the fathers name thomas is correct as they didnt change their names so often as some of the families.i rang someone who may know an elderly relative and she said she heard tell of uncle tom so she thinks thats correct aswell.cathay
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have you looked at classrg13 piece 2418 folio 12 page 16
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where is bosbury by the way?my geography is lousy and so is my memory.
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Hi All
I have been playing around with Scarrotts this morning, have taken entries out of some Oxfordshire transcripts, for Witney, Charlbury, Fulbrook etc. They seem to have centered around Charlbury in the 1800s and turn up a bit more than some of the other families (perhaps they weren't so census shy ;)) Trouble is there are two or three Johns and 2 Williams which make it confusing.
Matilda I see you have a John Loveridge born about 1820 as a child of Thomas & Rosanna Loveridge - is there any chance he could have been born more 1802? I have found a great candidate for him in Fulbrook and he also married a Scarrott (Ann) who was possibly the daughter of John & Phobe Scarrott, some of his lot settled in and around Fulbrook.
:)
DebbieG
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thomas and roseanna married 1797 in buckinghamshire.i didnt know they had a son john.hes not down on my list but if they def did he could have been born 1802.i think this thomas died in oxfordshire didnt he 1837?
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Hi Cathy - yes thats the one, Thomas died in Stoke Lyne in 1837 and Rosanna in Bicester about 1855 (I think she lived with son Cornelious and family there when widowed).
This John Loveridge would have been born about 1802 in 1851 he says he was born in Wheatly Oxfordshire and he is living in Fulbrook where he seems to have been pretty settled, he was a tin plate worker and married Ann Scarrott in 1823 in Charlbury, witnesses to the wedding were John Scarrott, Maria Scarrott and Ed Walden, just a bit earlier the same year Esau Scarrott who I think was Anns brother married Sarah Franklin and John Loveridge & Ann Scarrot witnessed the marriage.
DebbieG
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morning folks ....
Back again ...still with a crappy cold :-\
Are we onto the Scarrotts now .... isn't my Soffia Penfold nee Orchard the sister of the Orchards that married into the Scarrotts ...or is she the granddaughter/daughter of a Scarrott/Orchard marriage ... Hee hee ...
need coffee
deb ;D
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so are we sure thomas and roseanna had a son john aswell as the others and is there aref for his birth as i will add it to my tree if so.cathay
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Yes Deb I think there are Coffees in there somewhere as well ;D
Sorry Cathy - I am not sure of Johns parentage, it would fit but I don't have the proof
DebbieG
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their other children were william, cornileius ,james,rosamund,thomas,henry,mary ann,and elizabeth.
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acctually john looks promising as william was born 1799 the year of the marriage and then no more births until cornileus 1805.a 6 year gap!!after 1805 she was having kids every 2 years or so.looks like its definately worth looking into.cathay
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yes Cathy - Matilda put a list similar to that up earlier, and she had a John b 1820 on it as well. I thought this John might fit as I said he can be found in and around Fulbrook Oxfordshire most of the time, he was a tin plate worker, he married a Scarrott and when Cornelius s/o of Cornelius married Amelia Duckett it was in Fulbrook (though sadly John was not a witness of the wedding). I have been looking at the various sons of Thomas & Rosanna cos I have a hunch that William and Annie Loveridge who married 1899 were probably some sort of cousins, so as we don't seem to be finding him in other ways I have been trying to look at other family members.
DebbieG
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quick note for roser who i know will be on here again when she wakes up!!why dont you ask for a scavenger hunt on the rosers/wilsons.its really helpful on here as we all have different places and resources.if you want one contact tephra.i think i have one coming up on taylors soon.love cathay
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Ohhh Cathy whilst you are around, another question I have come up with do you know if the William Loveridge who married Trainett Davis in 1820 is the William son of Thomas & Rosanna born 1799?
DebbieG
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yes same william is their son.he and trainett had 2 children i know of ester and moses.i havent put them in my tree as i dont have proof but matilda has them in her tree so prperly she has proof and i havent caught up with her there!
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just to complicate things while we are talking about davis matilda and i both have a sarah davis in our tree born gloscester about 1823 married robert hughes c.1840,and we can find nothing on her before she married robert.so if you come across her in this search please post it.thanks cathay
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Hi
In 1901 Matilda has this;
RG13; Piece: 2430; Folio: 8; Page: 7.
Charles Loveridge 23 s
Cornelius Loveridge 54 head
Elizabeth A Loveridge 15 d
George W Loveridge 13 s
Henry Loveridge 25 s
Mary A J Loveridge 17 d
next to them is ;
Thomas Davis head 42 travelling showman/exhib b Glos, stroud
Edna wife 43 b US America / BS
is the above Thomas Davis, related to Valentine?
deb
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i forgot to say as alot of us are related in this line sarah davis and robert hughes were the perants of ocean hughes who married henry penfold.gets complicated dosnt it?
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debs usa,gut feeling says yes but matilda and i have been trying to find a link for ages.
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i forgot to say as alot of us are related in this line sarah davis and robert hughes were the perants of ocean hughes who married henry penfold.gets complicated dosnt it?
Henry Penfold being my gr gr Uncle LOL
deb ;D :D
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we think sarah, trainette and thomas and valentine are all related but we have no idea yet how.
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It does but it is interesting - it is why I have been approaching from the angle of William & Annie being related.
I have some more children for William & Trainett (I didn't have the two you had though)
from the IGI
Henry b 1829 & Charlotte b 1835 baptised Kempsford Glous, and from the register transcripts of Shipton Under Wychwood Oxfordshire Charles baptised 1843
DebbieG
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To early for your Cornelius But the baptism I found in message 204 for Conneless Loveridge looks like it was a family name.
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henry penfold being our gt gt uncle and also our gt.gt.grandad!!!teo of our lines meet here!!!cathay
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Hi Jay
That Cornelius was the uncle of Matilda's Cornelius, we are fairly sure now.
Cathy do you have any dates for Moses and Ester children of William & Trainett - and do you know who the William Loveridge grandson of Trainett who is with her in Lechlade in 1871 belongs to?
DebbieG
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ester b.1825 and moses born 1833.remeber i havent proved this yet .matild might have so ask her when she comes back on line.no i dont know who the grandson is cause my line goes off differently from matilda here so i havent done anywork on it.sorry
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henry penfold being our gt gt uncle and also our gt.gt.grandad!!!teo of our lines meet here!!!cathay
Thomas penfold who married Soffia Orchard ...is the brother of Henry Penfold who married Ocean .....
Soffia Orchard is also part of the Scarrott family ...Blimey ...!!!!!!
deb
looking for William Davis = Edna the American in previous censuses ...wonder if he was in the US?
deb
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it only took us 19 pages to get back too penfolds, orchards.........!!!!we must be getting better!
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
can't find William the travelling showman anywhere!!!! :(
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hi roser,you d....y stop out.you should be getting your beauty sleep.you ll be too tired to join in tomorrow!!!love to you my friend across the seas. to all, roser is on here again.but she has yet to post at this time.cathay
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Sorry Cathy another question (I just don't want to spend hours searching for stuff if you already have the answer) Do you know who the parents of Job Loveridge born 1830 ish (in 1881 he says Stoke Lyne) and married to Alice Davis belongs to?
DebbieG
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i have never known any loveridges in fair or shows but that dosnt mean there are nt any of course.funny thing is now the families are all in again patience gess family married into the penfold line that married into the davis and loveridge line.she the daughter of henry gess and rebbeca married a wilson that were married into the rosaires and that brings roser here into our family aswell cause thats her family.they were show people and circus.these gess family are also related to our christopher penfold who married another patience gess.now if you would all like to put that and what we have done in order i will copy it all into my tree tomorrow after the wedding when you all finished the hard work!!!!thanks,matilda will be pleased!!!
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Cathy I hope the weather is kind to you tomorrow, I am away this weekend (helping son & family move flat) somehow I can see this carrying into next week
:)
DebbieG
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i am really sorry i dont have job in my line atall.roser is trying to send us a message about loveridges and dosnt know how to.can anyone help her?i have sent a link to her to get on the hunt again.cathay
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Hi All- I found it. Now I have 3 Loveridge convicts and I will endevour to send them if you bare with me- Roser
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bit like penfolds.....next week and the week after and after...hope you all help with my taylors on my hunt.guess who they married in to......penfolds.what a surprise
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roser assures me she is typing a message about loveridges now.spect we will hear soon.the suspense is killing me.i have to go and rinse my hair and start the big clean up for tomorrow but i will look in tonite again.take care of my friend roser wont you.love cathay
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Blimey ...
Do we have these;
1901;
Cheltenham, Glos
Matilda Loveridge head m 22 hawker of wire utencils b west ham essex
Valentine M, dau 6
Emma 4
Job 1
Emma Allen mother 44d retired hawker b Kent, Greenwich
next door
Edwin SCARROTT head 50 hawker China ware b Glos, Cheltenham
Emma 45
Golding 24 practically no occupation .... ;D
William 18
Rose 15
Emma Babbage dau mar 28
william Babbage 6
Lily Babbage 4
am I repeating stuff?
deb
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Hi Roser
great to meet you !
Cathay ...of course we will look after her ;D
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i just saw allen listed so heres a few odd notes i have and i dont know where they come from but here goes. george loveridge b.about 1840 married sabina ruth b.about 1848,they had a daughter mizellie b.1865 wiltshire.ch 2/6/86 kings stanley glos.siblings victoria 1863 alton,robert 1861 farnham.mizellie married henry allen who was born 1877 nailsworth,glos.they are in cencus 1891 living in a shed in horsley parish.
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Hi All,
Have you got this baptism already? From Buckland PRs
12 Feb 1837 Rowley Loveridge d Henry and Ann, Cumnor, lab
Sue
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Ohh Sue - no I don't think we've seen that one and it fits with Henry & Ann (nee Scarrott) the parents of Cornelius
nice one
DebbieG
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Blimey ...
Do we have these;
1901;
Cheltenham, Glos
Matilda Loveridge head m 22 hawker of wire utencils b west ham essex
Valentine M, dau 6
Emma 4
Job 1
Emma Allen mother 44d retired hawker b Kent, Greenwich
Marriage ....
Matilda Allen = JONAS DAVIS LOVERIDGE
Dec q 1894
Cheltenham Glos
who does Jonas belong to ...another davis/Loveridge marriege?
deb
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Hi All still struggling but I will learn now 2nd entry LOVERIDGE Levi (No 6356) born 1825 a widow with 2 children in England. Occupation Groom, illiterate Protestant. Convicted at Bradford in 1860, receiving stolen goods.Previous conviction. Sentenced 6 years. Arrived Western Australia per the vessel "Norwood" 9.6.1862. Ticket of Leave 7.4.1863. Certified Free 24.10.1868. Worked in the following districts Albany, Perth, Plantagenet. Laborer, wood cutter, general servant & brickmaker. No further information on him in the Colony, may have gone back to England when his sentence expired.
LOVERIDGE William (No 34) born June 1821, unmarried Tinker Brazier, illiterate Protestant. Convicted at Aylesbury in 1848 for Arson received 15 years. Arrived on the vessel "Scindian" 1.6.1850. Ticket of Leave 19.7.1851, Sentence expired 5.3.1863 in Perth. Worked for himself at Newcastle (Toodyay) in 1883. Sent to Mt. Eliza Invalid Depot Perth 23.2.1883.
a total of 13 Loveridge entries for Deaths in W.A. are listed . I will do them tomorrow. It seems by one of the entries relate to a tribal Aboriginal women and I will have to check my records tomorrow, to try and find out more. It's midnight and I better go before I turn into a pumpkin. Hope this helps someone. Roser
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Hi Deb,
Just looked back over posts and i posted that one on page 8 along with some others i found,
Have searched Cumnor PRs and found children of a Joseph and Amelia Loveridge 1886-1895,
dont suppose these fit anywhere :)
Sue
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Going very slightly off topic, is anyone interested in the baptism of a female Scarrott in 1923 at Wardington? I won't put it up in case she is still alive, but PM me if you are interested
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EEKKKK sorry Sue .....
so much info to read back on ....
great stuff ,,Roser ...sleep tight!
deb :)
added ... just realised you were talking to Debbieg , Sue LOL LOL
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do we know if levi is really a widow?should it read widower?especially as its a groom for occupation?on rosers post
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Hi Cathay- What colour did you hair turn out. The answer is yes he was a widower, it was my typing error. I just found a death for Levi in 1916. So he may not have left the Colony, I will check tomorrow- Good Night
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Jonas Loveridge b 1875, Gloucester is with JOB Loveridge b Oxfordshire in 1891 ... hawkers,
page 20 .......... :o
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i thought you had gone to bed!!my hair is a nice shade of orange!!!at least i will be seen.joes says i look like an orangotang!it said on the back a delicate shade of brown!!thanks for levi.i think hes one of mine.i dont know about matilda.anyway i will check it out on sunday!
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Jonas davis Loveridge who married Matilda Allen is with parents Job and Alice Loveridge in 1881.....
I forget who or if job and alice belong to anyone ...arrghhhh so confusing .
cathay ..have a great day tomorrow ...godd wishes for your brother from the USA xxxx
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Hiya - Job is the one born about 1830 - he says Stoke Lyne in 1881, I was asking Cathy about him up there......
don't know whose son he was though
DebbieG
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mine and matildas joney/jonas/joe was born about 1906 child of annie and william.he is the one married caroline lamb.i know nothing of alice or job.matilda might.how ever one of joneys daughters married oliver ayres and the name alice figures in their line alot.but i now getting near the living so i cant pursue that.
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Searching East Challow PRs this entry was added at bottom of page
Looks like Matilda Buckland age 12 parents Jabez and Amy
Angelina Loveridge age 5 parents Leonard and S??? unable to read
Both having been baptised privately in infancy were received into the church at the same time
June 1st 1896
Also 2 other Buckland Baps before this in 1894 and 1895
Sue
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Hi All
I have been playing around with Scarrotts this morning, have taken entries out of some Oxfordshire transcripts, for Witney, Charlbury, Fulbrook etc. They seem to have centered around Charlbury in the 1800s and turn up a bit more than some of the other families (perhaps they weren't so census shy ;)) Trouble is there are two or three Johns and 2 Williams which make it confusing.
Matilda I see you have a John Loveridge born about 1820 as a child of Thomas & Rosanna Loveridge - is there any chance he could have been born more 1802? I have found a great candidate for him in Fulbrook and he also married a Scarrott (Ann) who was possibly the daughter of John & Phobe Scarrott, some of his lot settled in and around Fulbrook.
:)
DebbieG
i had a bap for him 21/5/1824 beckley oxfordshire might not be right one though sent to me by same person who sent me other stuff Matilda
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I think Jonas Davis Loveridge is son of Job Loveridge and Alice Davis ..she is the sister of Valentine Davis ....
Debbie ..you posted them yesterday I think ... it's the details that we cannot find on Ancestry ...the one where valentine is with her sisters and parents..
deb
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Hi both Debs....I covered this yesterday, from the census Deb G posted with Valentine and family.
Jonas Davis Loveridge who marr Matilda Allen was the son of Job & Alice. Alice was sister to Valentine. Don't know anymore about husband Job.
Cas
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Shall i open part 2 ...we are on page 21 :-\
added ...eekkk sorry cas ....repeating stuff is hard NOt to do here LOL
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sorry just seen joneys sister alice married sunner smith.alice also had a neice alice died age 22 in a crash.
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It looks a very good possible that Valentine, Betsy, Alice (and a poss Mary Ann Davis) daughters of James & Sarah Davis all married Loveridge men.
The son Jonas Davis married a Lamb, Pricilla...I think.
Cas
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hi All im back, give me a min to catch up , anything i can help with??
Matilda ;)
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Hi everyone
just to clear up things which census you missing off ancestry ?
I found these 1851 Minchinhampton Gloucestershire
HO/107-1966-98-p4
James Smith 77 Weslyan Preacher
Sarah Smith ( wife) 55
all rest down as Lodgers :
Eliza Robbins 28
Selina Whitcombe 23
Valentine Davies 17 ( b 1834 Nk Devon)
Jane Robbins 1
1871 Census RG10-2668-42-p11 Cheltenham Glouscestershire
John loveridge 38 Scissor Grinder
Alice 30
Charles 19
Betsy 14
Valentine 8 born Stow on Wold Gloucestershire
James 5
Thomas 2
Valentine Loveridge born abt 1862 Oct/Nov/Dec Stow on wold 6a 345
Valentine Loveridge b abt 1843 - died 1900 Jul/Aug/Sept aged 57 Herefordshire
6a 279 ( no idea maler female)
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the death in 1900 is my Valentine ;D
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thanks Matilda
at least cleared up that one lol so that was a female Valentine Yes ? wife of Cornelius Loveridge ?
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yep thats the one
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Matilda :)
open part 2 ... quick LOL
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is there a parte le duex yet?
i am searching for Thomas Loveridge marriages the trouble is we do not know how old he was when he had William and thus lowering the search criteria for his marriage and also we do not know if William had any siblings - or do we ?
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valentine born 1862 is a girl father james davis.she def married a loveridge.shes matildas and mine aswell.is she too young to have married cornileus.although thats who i have her as marrying.i have their youngest daughter valentine aswell born 1900.
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Just found this marriage while searching PRs of Appleton
Apr 9 1809 Joseph Orchard of Longcot Berks a travelling man
to
Ann Bland of Chitterly Berks a travelling woman
Know a few of you are researching Orchards so had to post, hope you dont mind :)
Sue
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marriages Thomas Loveridge 1866-1879 - only 9
LOVERIDGE Thomas Potter Peterborough.3b 528 Q4 1869
LOVERIDGE Thomas Axbridge.5c 27 Q1 1870
LOVERIDGE Thomas Towcester.3b 49 Q4 1874
LOVERIDGE Thomas Aston.6d 526 Q3 1876
LOVERIDGE Thomas Dudley.6c 47 Q3 1877
LOVERIDGE Thomas Kensington.1a 323 Q2 1878
LOVERIDGE Thomas Clarke Wolverhampton.6b 623 Q3 1878
LOVERIDGE Thomas Kings Norton.6c 521 Q3 1879
LOVERIDGE Thomas Henry Whitchurch H.2c 337 Q3 1880
there was no middle name given on Williams marriage cert
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valentine born 1862 is a girl father james davis.she def married a loveridge.shes matildas and mine aswell.is she too young to have married cornileus.although thats who i have her as marrying.i have their youngest daughter valentine aswell born 1900.
Valentine was born c 1843 married Cornelius 1875
Vantine born 1900 was there Grand daughter born to Corneluis and his wife bretha slender
Debs how do you open part 2 ????
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valentine born 1862 is a girl father james davis.she def married a loveridge.shes matildas and mine aswell.is she too young to have married cornileus.although thats who i have her as marrying.i have their youngest daughter valentine aswell born 1900.
Well according to Census record 1871 Valentine Loveridge ( female) born 1862/3 was daughter of John & Alice Loveridge no mention of Davis
But the one who died in 1900 Valentine Loveridge who matilda says is Cornelius wife was born 1843 so can;t be both cathay
getting confusing now
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could that valentine belong to Alice Davis who married job Loveridge possible sister to mine. ???
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yes that looks like a good possibility matilda.on the lists of marriages,axbridge is in our area in later years.alot went on round there.cathay
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part 2
Link;
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=310962.new