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Does anyone have Glassford burial records or MIs? What are the local cemeteries?
I'm looking for the death of Gavin Paterson (or any Patersons in Glassford) and would be most grateful for any assistance.
Cheers,
Rodeo
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Glassford OPR burial records were collected from 1733 to 1807, so it depends when your relative died I'm afraid.
I believe there is a graveyard in Glassford, but I don't think it's as old as the dates you are looking for. I would suggest the cemetery at Strathaven. OPR burial records were from 1770 to 1791, and again from 1817 to 1854.
hume24 :)
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Hi Hume
Thanks so much for your reply. Where would a Glassford resident have been buried in the 17th and 18th centuries? Were the major cemeteries in Strathaven and Avondale?
Cheers,
Linda
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Hi Rodeo & Hume
I have looked up the Avondale Death Records and have found these Paterson's which are connected to a Gaven Paterson!
Andrew Paterson Abode (Chapelton) died 13 April 1833 Son of Gaven Paterson. Interred in the 1.
Janet Paterson Abode (Chapelton) died 26 June 1844 Daughter of Gaven Paterson Interred in the 1.
There is also an Agnes Paterson which died 15 July 1853 widow of Gaven Hamilton, Late Surgeon, Interred in the 3 Breadth.
Referring to Mortcloths
We have
Aug/Dec 1760 For Gavin Paterson in Netherfd. dyke. 6 Shillings and eightpence
These are the only entries with Gaven attached. There are a great many Patersons which I am sure are connected!
Hope this is of some help.
Regards
Yvonne
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Thank you for those, Yvonne. I'm sure Rodeo will be pleased! :)
Netherfield Dyke is on the road from Strathaven to Glassford, so it would be very possible for Gavin to be brought to Strathaven for burial.
hume24
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From SLC website
Glassford Cemetery
This cemetery opened in 1878 and was built around the old church which sadly only partially remains. Over the years several extensions have been added which continue to provide lairs for future generations. Within this area there is a link to the covenanting trail.
Strathaven Cemetery
The cemetery opened in 1659 although legend has it that it has been a burial ground for over 900 years. Four distinct sections make up the cemetery and room is available for new lairs. The cemetery has links with covenanting and interred within the old section is James 'Pearly' Wilson.
Chapelton Cemetery
This cemetery opened in 1866. It was adjacent to the old church which was subsequently demolished and replaced in the 1900s by a new one which was built in the village. Several headstones date back to the late 1700s. The cemetery has new lairs available and will continue to provide for future generations
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The churchyard of Glassford (The Glessart as it's known locally) is an ancient one. There are around 150 legable inscriptions in this burial ground, many pre 1855. (The new cemetery is an extension). There are people buried there from Quarter, West Quarter, Chapelton, Strathaven and various other local places. If a resident of Glassford died there in the 17th and 18th centuries he/she would have been buried in this churchyard unless there was a family plot elsewhere.
The earliest Paterson inscription dates from 1706 but no Gavins, sorry. There is a large monument to William Gordon of Earlston in Galloway who was "shot by a partie of Dragoons on his way to Bothwell Bridge 22nd June 1679 aged 65 years".
Local families buried there include - Allan, Ballantyne, Hamilton (largest amount) Park, Paterson, Robertson, Semple, Shearer, Watson and Wilson.
Lodger.
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It seems I'm in the wrong then, Lodger! :-[ I didn't know of the older churchyard you mention.
Apologies to Rodeo.
hume24 :)
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A couple of photographs of Glassford kirkyard, taken on a brisk autumn day 3 years ago.
Lodger.
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Hume, Yvonne, Lodger and Sancti
Thanks so much for your replies, which have been enormously helpful.
Well done, Yvonne! Yes, I think this Gavin Paterson could well be my ancestor. Is there a record that mentions his wife and other children? Are Netherfield Dyke and Nethershields in close proximity to each other?
It's interesting, Sancti, that the Strathaven cemetery is associated with covenanting, as my Gavin Paterson was indeed a covenanter. My GGGG grandparents were Gavin Paterson and Janet Rodger, who lived in Nethershields, but I am desperately trying to determine the names of Gavin Paterson's parents. I am relatively certain that the Gavin Paterson mentioned below is his father but his wife's name isn't cited. The following is from The Statistical Accounts of Scotland (Parish of Glassford 1834-45) taken from the Glassford kirk sessions:
Item: About the said year 1685, Alexander Hamilton and John Struthers in Shawtonhill, John Semple in Shawton, John Fleming in Chapelton, John Walker there, James Scott there, John Paterson there, John Semple in Nethershields, William Semple there, Gavin Paterson there, John Marshall, elder and younger, Chapelton, and James Lowrie there, were sorely troubled and harassed by the then Lord Glassford, who caused a troop of soldiers to search for and apprehend them, upon pretence of conversing with, resetting and giving entertainment to persons who had been in arms against the established Government, and having been actually in arms themselves; upon which allegencies, the said persons were imprisoned fourteen days in Edinburgh, and put to much expense in employing agents to defend them, and although the said Lord Glassford summoned many witnesses to compear against them, yet could he not get anything proven against them.
Item: Gavin Paterson in Nethershields was fined in three dollars, which he accordingly paid, for his wife not hearing the curate.
Lodger, thanks for posting those photos of The Glessart. Who are the Patersons buried there from 1706? Are they too numerous to cite? Alternatively, is there a sexton at The Glessart I could contact by email or post (as I am in Australia)?
Many thanks again to you all for your great help.
Cheers,
Rodeo
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Hi Rodeo
I have checked for any other connection to Gavin (Gaven) Paterson and I'm afraid cannot find anything!
Only other connection would be with the abode, I found this name
Avondale Mortcloths
Paterson Aug 1791 Wm Patersons child Netherfield. Arrears of Mortcloths at Lambas 1791 1 shilling
Regards
Yvonne
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Hi Yvonne, the Paterson MI at Glassford is quite worn, the stone is a "flat stone" (I think you can see one in the photographs). Some of the inscription has gone I'm afraid, but here's what's left.
This stone is placed here by John Paterson with a view to perpetuate the memory ............................. (worn) and Andrew Paterson, mason in Chapelton and Marion Semple his spouse. The former died 30th May 1706 and the latter died 28th April 1708, each in their seventies.
Hope this is of some use to you.
Lodger.
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Hi Lodger
The mortcloths only start from the middle to late 18th Century in my records. So anything before that is hard to find.
Going by occupation (Mason) I found a death record for a:-
Paterson Alexander died 17 Aug 1838 son of John Paterson, Mason in the 2
Could John possible be a son to the said Andrew!
Regards
Yvonne
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Many thanks for that information, Yvonne and Lodger, which I'll follow up. It is likely, Lodger, that this John Paterson, mason, in Chapelton is the brother of my Gavin Paterson.
All the best,
Rodeo
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I am also looking for Paterson burials in Avondale/Strathaven. Can anyone do a look up for me? Grizel Anderson nee Paterson who died between 1804 and 1841.
Thanks so much.
Tana Anderson
Des Moines, Iowa
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Hi Tana,
Checked the Avondale OPRs (pre 1855 burial and mortcloth records) also Strathaven, Glassford and Stonehouse monumental inscriptions. No luck with any of them I'm afraid.
Lodger.
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Hi Lodger -
Thank you so very much for your help. The search continues....
Tana
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Local families buried there include - Allan, Ballantyne, Hamilton (largest amount) Park, Paterson, Robertson, Semple, Shearer, Watson and Wilson.
Lodger.
:)Hi, I am researching the Allan line of my family and as they came from Glassford I was very interested to see your post - I have a booklet with the transcriptions for Glassford Parish but my Allan family are not in it. Perhaps they are buried in another cemetery mentioned....how can I find out? Is there a website or anything in print? The names I am looking for are John Allan (mason) who died between 1851 & 1861 and his wife Isabella Hamilton who died in 1870 age 62 years. Her parents were Thomas Hamilton (farmer) & Martha Struthers. Thank you.
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Can't match up those particular names to any MI in Glassford but I feel sure some of the Allans are yours!
Very briefly -
MI 21 is for Robert Allan, mason, accidently killed at Hamilton 1877 aged 69. His wife Isabella Hopkins died Canada 1900. Lots of children mentioned. Robert's youngest brother Andrew died Glasgow 1850 aged 36. Robert's eldest son, Robert, died Cambuslang 1914.
MI 22 Robert Allan, farmer in Heads erected this stone 1829.
MI 27 is for family of Patersons. Margaret Paterson died 1872 aged 50, wife of Robert Allan.
MI 29 is for Robert Allan who died 1907 aged 70, his wife Janet Coats Murdoch died 1894 aged 42. Their only son, Robert Hamilton died 1894 aged 6.
(Hamilton would have been his middle name, so probably named after grandfather or gt-g/father)
MI 200 (in the new cemetery) Isabella Hopkins Allan died 1936 aged 55. Her sister Jessie Allan died 1942 aged 65. Her brother Hugh died 1946 aged 63. Her brother Robert died 1948 aged 69.
MI 206 (new cemetery) Stephan Allan died 1945 aged 77, his wife Euphimia Rawson Stewart died 1943 aged 75.
Hope this helps a little.
Lodger
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Hi there, thanks for your quick reply. I am also sure some of the Allans/Hamiltons have to be related but the trouble is finding out how or where they are related as I'm sure you know how difficult it can be to get information before the 1850's regarding births and deaths. I can't lay my hands on my bits of paper with all the info on it but the names I had for the family were John & isabella (Hamilton) Allan and children Jane, Martha, Thomas and a Marion. I've had so much trouble locating them - Jane was my ggggrandmother so she has been a bit easier. She had an illegitimate daughter in 1861 and I would also like to find out if church records exist from then which may mention her father. It's a while since i done much work on this (due to arrival of new puppy!) and it's amazing how much more info is becoming available quicker than it did when i started this 9 years ago! I did a quick search on familysearch last night and found out that Isabella Hamiltons parents (Thomas Hamilton & Martha Struthers) were married in 1805 in East Kilbride so perhaps that's where Martha came from . Isabella was born in Strathven 1808 - I was so pleased to come across that info! Thanks for your help ;)
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Hi Elmca,
I too have Allan forebears (twice over) from the Avondale/ Glassford/Chapelton areas and am wondering if we have any overlap. Firstly. my g-g-grandfather was James Allan, a stonemason born in Avondale about 1819. He married a Catherine Dow from Chapelton after he moved to Glasgow, where he had a building business in Gallowgate until his early death in 1865.
Interestingly, Catherine Dow's mother was also an Allan - first name Isabella. Her parents were William Allan and Catherine Tudhope. In the 1841 Census, there is a John Allan staying with them - and he is a stone mason. he is aged 25. The address is Srtuthers Street, Middle Calton and the householder is Catherine's father James Dow.
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Hello and thank you for your interesting message!
I wil dig out my notes and have a look at my Allan stuff as wouldn't it be great if there was a link!!! I have so little info on my Allans beyond John Allan and wife Isabella. My ggg grandmother Jane seems to have had a brother Thomas and a sister Martha (this is off the top of my head!) do these names ring any bells? I will get back to you asap! Elaine ;)
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Hi Elmca,
This gets interesting. I don't have a great deal of additional information, but, like you, suspect that John Allan is Isabella Dow's brother. I have traced her death record and she is the daughter of William Allan (farm labourer) and his wife Catherine (maiden name Tudhope), If you have John's death record, we could maybe comfirm the link
James Allan, who married Catherine Dow was the son of James Allan, a farmer from Avondale and his wife Isabella (maiden surname Boyce). I haven't been able to find any birth records for any of their children, so don't know yet if the two sets of Allans are related. I don't even have a farm name for James Allan, as that might have helped.
Another interesting fact - after James Allan died Catherine remarried a Mr Gibb (Robert from memory) - also a builder. Where were your Gibbs from? I think he was from Lanarkshire as well.
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I have a Margaret Paterson married to William Stark in Strathaven/ Glassford area.
I have many ancestors from there too, surnames Ramsay, Struthers, Millar, Scott & Brown.
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Hi Davieboy,
I reckon there was a lot of intermarriage in the Avondale and Glassford parish areas. I have Dow, Frame and Allan ancestry in the area - and the brother of one of my Dow ancestors married a Struthers.
Can you or anyone else give me any tips on where to go next? Most of my Allans don't appear in the parish registers. I see references to Mortcloth records in previous postings - where would I get access to these?
Elmca and I are still trying to link our Allan lines - but I can't even find a birth record for my great-great-grandfather. He died in Glasgow after 1855, so I know he is the son of James Allan (farmer) and Isabella Allan (maiden name Boyce). Their son James was born about 1819 in Avondale- but I can't trace any siblings either.
My other Allan link is James's mother-in-law Isabella Dow - daughter of William Allan (agricultural labourer) and Catherine Tudhope from Glassford. Are any of these names familiar to anyone?
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Hi Morag
did you work out how to send a private message? click on the name you want to send a PM to and take it from there.
Did I say that I also have Struthers in my family?
John Allan's wife was Isabella Hamilton - her mother was Martha Struthers, who married Thomas Hamilton, a farmer. I can't remember if I have already checked up on where they originated from and it is too late now and I am too tired to think!!!! ;) speak soon!
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Morag,
I too have relations that married people called Allan & Frame, but none with the christian names that you have.
I also have many Struthers in my tree. Struthers is an extremely common name in that part of Lanarkshire. I also have Struthers marrying Struthers, (they were cousins so I guess thats where I got my extra thumb from) ;D
sorry I can't help any further
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Hi Davieboy,
Thanks for having a look at my query anyway - I can see from many of the Censuses that there were a lot of Allans in Avondale, so will just have to hope that if I put messages on enough forums, that there will be someone out there with more info on my branch.
So far I've only looked in Scotlandspeople, Ancestry.co.uk and IGI. Are there any other good sources you or anyone else can suggest?
MoragC
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Hi
Read your request and although I can't go back that many years I did know a Mrs Nan Paterson nee Vernal from the village. She. and her husband are buried in the village cemetry and if it is the same family line I could give you some info.
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I have pictures of headstones with the following names
ALLAN HOPKINS
ALLAN
YUILL HAMILTON
YUILL COCHRANE
JACK PARK
HAMILTON ROBERTSON
HAMILTON THOMSON
BROWNLIE WOOD SELLARS
FLEMING TORRANCE
HAMILTON WILSON SEMPLE
RIDDELL HAMILTON SEMPLE
FLEMING TORRANCE RIDDELL
RIDDELL LAWCOCK SEMPLE
HAMILTON MACBETH DOWNIE
GRAHAM MCGOWAN
BARR JACK
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I am also looking for Patersons in Chapelton/ Glassford area, in particular William Paterson born about 1810 who died sometime between 1841 and 1847. His widow Agnes Struthers married Daniel McLean in 1847 and she died between 1851 and 1855.
Any information on the above or their children Thomas b 1838, John b 1841, and Elizabeth b 1844 will be very much appreciated.
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Hi Maggie
Do you know who are the parents of your William Paterson?
Cheers,
Rodeo
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No
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Looking for burial records for Andrew Shearer and his wife Margaret Watson They were born about the 1780's. Also their children Gavin (and his wife Catherine Park) who died in 1866 in Strathaven, and Isobel who may have died about 1831 in the Chapelton area. Shearer seems to be a very popular name in this area!
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Nothing in the Glassford MIs, sorry.
But.............. guess who I found in Chapelton burial ground?
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Oh my goodness but that was fast! That is definitely the right family. Lovely stone....and so readable! Thank you very much Lodger!
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I'm looking for these families in surrounding areas.
A James CRAIG and Jean BROUN might be buried there with almost certainly a child - James born 1749. JC senior and JB would be buried after 1758 when they had their last child, another James (buried in 1834 at Blantyre).
Does anyone know where the John Hamilton of Collinhill families are buried? I think it must be Strathaven.
Thanks for any help. Those people with cd records are a HUGE help for those of us who won't be in Scotland for a long time, if ever.
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Morning Folks
Just going over older posts from the Glassford /Strathaven area and looking for connections. So I'll post this and see if my Sinclairs connect solidly to any Allan's in the area. I am hoping that Avondale is near Glassford and Strathaven.
On January 27, 1865, John Sinclair, only son of James and Margaret Sinclair, married Margaret Marshall in the parish of Avondale in the County of Lanark (sourced record). The 1881 Census indicated they were living in South Greenock at 25 Bruce Street and had 6 children- James Marshall Sinclair born on the 13th September, 1869, Robert Crozier Sinclair born April 7th 1876, John Sinclair born December 8th ,1871, Archibald Allan Sinclair born April 21st , 1874, Annie Allan Sinclair born March 3rd , 1878, and Jane Menzies Sinclair born May 13th ,1880 was 10 months old. All the children were born in Greenock, Renfrew with the exception of the eldest James who was born in Avondale Lanark. ( sourced record). The addition of the Allan name to 2 of the children’s names comes from the Marshall side of the family. Specifically Margaret Marshall’s mother (also a Margaret Marshall) was an Allan before she was married; ergo you have Archibald Allan and Annie Allan.
John Sinclair was also a mason.
Hoping to make connections.
Twitter
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Still hoping that someone out there might know if there were any James CRAIG and Jean buried Castleton, Glassford area in mid to late 1700's (and any children)
Also looking for the records for Strathaven burials of Hamilton's of Colinhill
Thanks for any help
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Hi Janet Mc,
There is nothing in the Glassford or Stonehouse MIs for James Craig & Jean Brown.
In the burial records for Avondale there are 2 entries -
ANDREW HAMILTON, Colen Hill, buried on 28th February 1843, in the 2.
JOHN HAMILTON, Cotton Hill, buried 16th December 1825, in the 1.
I suspect that "Cotton Hill" is a badly written Colen Hill. (Or whatever is should have been).
The 1 & 2 refer to lairs within the family plot.
Someone may have photographs of headstones from Strathaven burial ground (Avondale parish burial ground). Sancti perhaps?
Hope this helps a little,
Lodger
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Wonderful - that is 'my' Hamilton's.
John was married to Elizabeth Cochran - she might have died quite a lot earlier. Anything about her?
Andrew was his son and he is the brother to 'my' Mary Hamilton who married a Robert Craig. We haven't found where she is buried (post 1841) but could be there. Any Mary Hamilton Craig (she possibly married again too). Her husband, Robert Craig of Blantyre died unexpectedly in 1826 and I haven't found his burial either.
Now John's father was an Andrew and he died in 1773 (also of Collinhill/Colin hills - not Colen or Cotton!). That Andrew was married to a Janet Craig.
Janet Craig's father was an Andrew Craig who would have died in early 1740's.
Andrew's parents were John Hamilton and Janet Leiper (the JH died ? before 1740).
Another John Hamilton and Janet ? died between 1715-19 and all these were of 'Colinhill'. Are any of these on the records?
Before this the family seems to have come from Chapelton or Glassford.
Thank you so much for your help.
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Checked again for all the names you listed but no joy I'm afraid.
I have a list of Strathaven people who served in the great war. One entry matches your family.
JACK HAMILTON, Colinhill, Highland Light Infantry.
That's all, sorry! (Jack = John).
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No mention of Colinhill on any of the Strathaven headstone pictures I have
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Rodeo,
I was in Glassford a couple of years ago. I took a photo of one Paterson grave at the old cemetery. You might find it useful.
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Hi Calgary
Thank you very much for the photo. Yes, it's most helpful indeed. So kind of you to post it.
All the best,
Rodeo