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Hi
I'm seeking a death for Harriet Eliza BAYLEY, b 1848, UK.
Spouse was John Henry.
I've been led to believe she died circa 1913 in Victoria.
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May I also ask for a lookup for her mother, Lavinia BROWN.
No details on her, but its not a usual name.
Thanks in advance.
Grub ;)
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Hi Grub.
Harriet Eliza BAYLEY died aged 13 in Ardale in 1913.
Ref = 39
Parents = Sam Brown & Lavinia FUDDY
But this does not look like the one you are wanting. ??? :-\
For a death of Lavinia Brown, it is surprising how many there were. However, a Lavinia Brown, parents unknown, aged 71, died in Chewton in 1903, ref = 1114. Whether this is her is debatable of course. :-\
......dee
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Hi folks
Dee that age at death (13) looks doubtful - if this was a married woman? Given both parent surnames are different to the death name - most likely she was married. The age could be a transcription error ???
Trish
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Hi
I think it's a transcription error as well.
1903 & 1909 Victorian Electoral Rolls have her living with her husband at 55 & 53 Denbigh Rd, Armadale
John Henry's occupation is Draper.
Note: 1903 also as Amy Beatrice BAYLEY living with them at 55 Denbigh Rd.
Regards
Genni
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Thank you.
She was definitely in Armadale, and her husband was John Bayley, draper. Amy Beatrice was on of their children, and I am familiar with the Denbigh Street address.
The below information was found on the Internet, and I wanted to confirm it before ordering a DC
DEATH: Death Certificate. Vict. Reg. No. 39, Age 63 in 1913 (Vict.BDM CD), estimating birth to be 1850. which is close to what you've given me, apart from the 13/63 age.
I have her birth certificate for 1848 in Camberwell, and her parents were Samuel Brown and Lavinia Huddy.
With this reference number, year of death and parental names, I should still be able to order a cert......right??
As for Lavinia, her husband was Samuel Brown. She was "of age" when she and Sam married in 1838, but I've not been able to find them on 1841 or 1851 census. Her father was named as George Huddy.
So, 1838, minus 21...born ~ 1817 or so...hmmmm
Thanks so much for your help.
Grub ;)
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Hi Grub
With that number you can download a certificate an image - this very minute ;D $AU17.50 - as you have the number - no need to pay for the search :)
Trish
Edit: Sorry - should have given the link - http://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/home - Select "Purchase and download an image" - if you want a certified certificate - same information - you can order a certificate online
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Given that the informant for Harriet, knew her maiden name, if her mother died in 1903, unless they were estranged, I would assume the informant would have been Harriet and some information on parents would have been given. This is why I would be doubtful of the 1903 death.
Trish
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Hello there Grub
I had him down in my tree as Henry John Bayley?? I am wondering is she is buried with John Henry who lived a long life and died in 1931 at Armadale.
Would he be buried at St. Kilda??
you may have seen this birth in Victoria
Laura Brown born Prah in 1854 reg no 2096
father Samuel Brown and mother Lavinia Huddy
so it would appear the family were in Australia by then ;)
This death in 1923 in Victoria at Brighton
Louisa Jane Austin died aged 84 reg no 4467
father Samuel Brown mother Lavinia Huddy
regards Jenn
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Thanks!!
I'll go ahead and order the 1913 cert with the info we have. :)
Jenn, his death certificate does say Henry John, but his birth cert defo says John Henry, and he is buried at St. Kilda, (died in Armadale.)
I appreciate the other births to Sam and Lavinia. Searching for Brown on Victoria passenger lists is an uphill battle, but at least now I can narrow down their arrival date.
Grub ;)
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Hi....
Just wanted to let you know that this WAS my Harriet Eliza.
I have her death certificate in hand now.
Jenn...for your tree
BAYLEY, Harriett (sic) Eliza, age ?63, died 5th January 1913 at 55 Denbigh Street, Armadale. Buried at St. Kilda. In Victoria for 62 years. Married at age 19 to John Henry (living)
6 kids listed.
Wooooohoooooooooo
Thanks so much for all of your help.
Grub
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Hello there Grub
I onder if the Browns may have gone to other state first, but I haven't found any births to them in Tasmania or South Australia.
I wondr where Louisa Jane Brown was born. On the index's when she married Andrew Austin it says she was from Croydon! I quess her marriage certificate or death certificate should say where she was born which by the death date is 1838c. On would think there should be more more children between 1838 and 1854
Will keep looking though.
regards Jenn
regards Jenn
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Hi Jenn
Free BMD has a Louisa Jane BROWN, b December Q of 1839,
Croydon, Greater London, Kent.
With Harriet being born in 1848, they must have been SOMEWHERE in 1841, but are eluding me. As you say, there were probably a couple of young ones born between 1839 and 1848.....and then 1854.
Harriets death certificate states she was in Victoria for 62 years (1851)...no other state mentioned.
Not the first time I've misplaced a rellie or two :) but I'll continue the hunt.
Thanks for the help.
Grub ;)
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Hello Grub
I guess if you purchased and downloaded the birth certificate for LAURA BROWN it should say the names of the previous issue.
I have had a good search of the index's and I cannot come up with the deaths of any other children to the couple in Victoria using their parents names nor can I find Lavinia by using her parents names.
I wonder what Samuel Brown's occupation was. I guess it is possible they only stayed in Victoria for small time frame and then moved onwards.
regards Jenn
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Hi all,
From the St.Kilda Cemetery Inscriptions-
Samuel BROWN died 21/6/1885 age 72yrs
also Ethel Louisa KNEEBONE, granddaughter of above died 13/11/1882 age 17yrs also
Louisa AUSTIN, eldest daughter of Samuel BROWN died 13/6/1923.
regards,
Magoo
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Thanks, Jenn....Sam was a gardener, on both Harriets marriage and death certificates.
Magoo......it seems you have found him. St. Kilda is where other family is buried, etc. Thank you very much.
Grub
:)
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Well done Magoo.....you've done it again mate
is St Kilda on line or do you have a cemetery index.
Death details from the indexs
Sam Brown died aged 72 in 1885 at S Y (south yarra?)
father Thos mother unknown reg no 6917
Ethelinda Louisa KNEEBONE aged 17 died in 1882 in S Y
father George Frederick mother Lavinia BIVON ( could be mistranslated as from BROWN) reg no 13390
birth
Ethalinda Louisa Kneebone born 1865 ASHB
father George Frederick mother Lavinia Brown
Reg Number: 22249
so will now have a look for Lavinia Kneebone's death unless you have all this Grub
regards Jenn
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Thanks, guys...
Nope, I have none of this.
Valerie ;)
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marriage in Victoria
George Frederick Kneebone married Lavinia Brown in 1865 reg no 1049
regard Jenn
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Thanks, Jenn
Valerie :D
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Wondered why no deaths in Victoria the Kneebone family moved to Western Australia
From the Cemetery Board site
http://www.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/GenResearch.html
KNEEBONE LAVINIA 86 years 1928 MT LAWLEY
KNEEBONE GEORGE FREDERICK 73 years 1910 PERTH
regars Jenn
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Thanks bunches, Jenn.
Valerie :D
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Jenn
Samuel Brown died 21 June 1885, at 21 Lang Street, South Yarra, City Prahran, County Bourke. He was 72 years of age, and a gardener.
COD Disease of Heart, exhaustion
Father: Thomas Brown, gardener, mother unknown
Buried 23 June 1885, in St. Kilda.
Religion and Minister: G.F? Charles Frederick Kneebone
Birthplace: Croydon, England
33 years in Victoria
Married in Carshalton, England, at age 25 to Lavinia Huddy. (marriage verified as 1838)
Issue:
Louisa 45, Lavinia 42, Rosetta 39, Harriett 36, Elizabeth 32, and Laura (deceased)
Grub
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thanks for that (so looks l
one of his grandson son in law? was the minister :)
Nnow to try and find Laura (but dead before 1885) Rosetta and Elizabeth nee Brown groan
Regards Jenn
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so Laura was easy poor mite
Laura Brown died 6days in 1854 at Prahran reg no 3024
father Samuel mother Lavinia
regards Jenn
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Hi
Rosetta Amelia BROWN married Henry GURNEY in Victoria 1865 Reg: 1048
Rosetta Amelia GURNEY died Mosman NSW 1937 Ref: 9716/1937
Father: Samuel
Regards
Genni
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Hello there
Gennie
could very well be the right Rosetta as this birth in NSW shows the child's name as Lavinia the same as her mothers.
2422/1877 GURNEY LAVINIA father HENRY mother AMELIA R at GLEBE
also these births in NSW
7399/1880 GURNEY HAROLD BROWN father HENRY mother ROSETTE AMELIA at WATERLOO
8876/1882 GURNEY WILLIAM BUTLER father HENRY mother AMELIA ROSETTA WATERLOO
regards Jenn
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births in Victoria
to Henry Gurney and Rosetta Amelia Brown
Mabel Blanch born 1868 at Melbourne reg no 10395
Henry born 1871 at Ballarat reg no 6916 died aged mths 1871 at Ballarat reg no 5221
Elliott Henry born 1872 St. Kilda reg no 19959
Ida born Prahan in 1876 reg no 18260
Jenn
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Wow...
The tree grows twig by twig....
Thanks so much
Grub ;)
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Elizabeth Ellen BROWN
Elizabeth Ellen is named as wife of Stephen VIRGO, of Brisbane,Queensland, in will of Samuel Brown, dated 1883.
Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950
Name:
Elizabeth Ellen Brown
Spouse Name:
Stephen Virgo
Marriage Place:
Victoria
Registration Place:
Victoria
Registration Year:
1883
Registration number:
3833
Cannot find any further mention of Stephen VIRGO
She married in NZ as Elizabeth Ellen BROWN in 1887 (per NZ newspaper site)
to Duncan Roderick CHISHOLM
soooo, between 1883 and 1887, EE lost Stephen and found Duncan. Hmmmmmm
Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
Name: Elizabeth E Chisholm
Death Date: 1906
Death Place: New South Wales
Father's Name: Samuel
Mother's Name: Lavinia
Registration Year: 1906
Registration Place: St Leonards, New South Wales
Registration number: 6675
Sydney Morning Herald, 13 June 1906
DEATHS.
CHISHOLM -June 6, at North Sydney, Elizabeth Ellen dearly loved wife of D R Chisholm New Zea land papers please copy
and perhaps this is death for Duncan
Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
Name: Duncan R Chisholm
Death Date: 1928
Death Place: New South Wales
Father's Name: Duncan
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Registration Year: 1928
Registration Place: Liverpool, New South Wales
Registration number: 3715
Hope this is of help to someone.
Grub :D
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Hi,
I have just joined up with Roots Chat and noticed your entry from a number of years back re Browns of Croydon.
My great grand father(x4) was Thomas Brown ( a market gardener) from Croydon, Surrey.
He married Rosetta Connolly and among their offspring is one Samuel Brown (christened 17-1 -1813)
The dates appear to tie in with your Samuel Brown.
regards,
Martyn