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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Kirkcudbrightshire => Topic started by: lisingreece on Thursday 19 June 08 08:37 BST (UK)
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Has anyone anything on Maxwell Clark c 1828 in the census' Kirkgunzeon Kirk.
Wife Mary Crosbie.
He maybe the son of Maxwell Clark c 1781 and Ann Nielson c 1799.
These parents I cannot find in the 51 to check their birth places.
There is also a Maxwell C c 1826 s/o William and Agnes Millar but the date of birth is too far from 1828/9.
Have checked scotlands people.
Is there anywhere else I can go to search
Thanks Lis
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Hi Lis
I've found a whole set of what I think is the correct family in the Kirkgunzeon MIs. Certainly quite a few Maxwell and William's are mentioned.
It will take me a little while to sort out.
Which census are you referring to -?
Regards
Gadget
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I have found the Clark family in the 41 with Maxwell c 1781 and son Max c 1829 and mother Ann c 1799. She is Ann Nielson but I cannot find the in the 51 so I looked for a death of Ann or Maxwell but no.
Son Maxwell who marries Mary Crosbie I have found in the 61 only when they have daughter Jane 2 mths old -correct !
But to find more about Ann I was hoping she would be alive for the 51!
So not much to go on
Thanks for your help with this
Lis
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Hi
if this is the family then ~
From the MIs
Maxwell Clark, esq in Little Culmain, Urr d. 6 jan 1860 aged 81 (father was William Clark in Cowar)
wife Annie Neilson, Little Culmain, Urr, d. 17 Oct 1871, aged 71
son Walter of Little Culmain d. 28 mar 1868 aged 7 months (this is what it says but something wrong with dates/ages here)
Maxwell Clark, younger of Culmain Bank, agent in Congleton, Cheshire d. 3 July 1882, aged 31
Maxwell Clark of Little Culmain d. 23 Feb 1891, aged 65.
His wife Agnes Thomson d. 3 April 1902 aged 87.
John Clark d. 22 Denton Grove, Liverpool 10 Aug 1884 aged 27 - father Maxwell Clark, Culmain
Brother Robert d. 13 October 1921 aged 61
The Mi is a little confused. I'll see if i can find any other records.
It would seem that they moved to Urr though.
So far there is no mention of Mary Crosbie but there's lots to plough through.
Gadget
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The records for children of Maxwell Clark and Ann(ie) Nielson are a wee bit sparce. I have:
15 Aug 1824 (bpt) - Elizabeth, Kirkgunzeon
12 Oct 1828 (bpt) - William, Urr
also:
marriage-
26 Oct 1850 Maxwell Clark to Agnes Thomson, Urr
also a marriage of a Mary Crosbie:
12 Dec 1851 to Thomas Watson, Urr
I can't find a marriage between a Maxwell Clark and a Mary Crosbie either before or after 1855.
Gadget
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Thats so great Gadget Thank you for all of that. May be I have chosen the wrong Maxwell Clark who married Mary Crosbie. I dont think so though.
He was born 1828/9 and she was 6 yrs older Mary that is.
The puzzle continues.
Thanks again
Lis
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To fill in some gaps for me and anyone else searching. This is the family in 1861 -
Caerlaverock, DFS
815 Ed 3 page 8-9
Maxwell Clark, 32, ploughman, b. Kirkgunzeon
Mary, 38, b. Caerlaverock,
James C, 12, b. Caerlaverock
Jannet , 10, b. Caerlaverock
Agnes M, 8, b. Caerlaverock
Maxwell JC, 6, b. Caerlaverock
Mary C, 1, b. Caerlaverock
Jane C, 2 months, b. Caerlaverock
Given that there is a daughter Agnes and not Ann, i would think that the mother Agnes Millar should not be discounted.
John Maxwell Crosbie Clark (aged 6 on here) was b. 4 Feb 1855. It would be worth downloading his birth cert from SP as the 1855 ones give a lot more info than the others.
I'll continue the search.
Gadget
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I don't see a death for him - the only one showing is the one on the MI. (d. 1891, etc.) Did Mary and Maxwell move away from Dumfriesshire?
They're still there in 1871 and in 1881 (Maxwell now b. New Abbey)
Gadget
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Hi Lis
The 1881, 1891 and 1901 have him as b. New Abbey not Kirkgunzeon.
I think we'd best look there.
Gadget
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Something funny is going on ::)
I think he may have re-married a Mary Cowan and Mary Crosbie might have died
I'll have to investigate a bit more ::)
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From the 1871 and 1881 census, it would seem that Mary Crosbie died in the later part of the 1860s and Maxwell married Mary Cowan sometime after 1868/9:
1871
Green Mill, Caerlaverock
815 ED 2 page 1
Maxwell, 43, labourer, b. New Abbey
Mary, 34,
Jane, 10
Whillhilmina, 8
Richard, 6
Mary, 1 month
James Cowan, stepson, 2
all b. Caerlaverock except Maxwell
1881
Holland Bank, Caerlaverock
815 ED 3
Maxwell Clark, 53, labourer, b. New Abbey
Mary Cowan or Clark, 45, labourer's wife
Richard Crosbie Clark, 17, labourer,
James Cowan, 12, stepson
Mary Clark, 10
Joseph Cowan Clark, 7
Elizabeth Clark, 5,
Edward N? Clark, 3,
all b.Caerlaverock except Maxwell
I haven't found a marriage for Maxwell and Mary Cowan yet. It might well have been a common law one :-\
Gadget
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Just to bring them up to 1901:
1891
Church Road, Caerlaverock
815 Ed 2
Maxwell, 63, Ag labourer, b. New Abbey
Mary, 55, grocer, b. Caerlaverock
Elizabeth N, 15, b. Caerlaverock
Edward N, 13, Caerlaverock
1901
815 ED 2
Bridgeend Grocer's Shop, Caerlaverock
Maxwell, 73, Grocver shopkeeper, b. New Abbey
Mary, 65, b. Caerlaverock
I'll check back to the 1841 and 1851.
Gadget
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1851
Loaning Head, Caerlaverock
815 ED 3 Page 5
Maxwell, 22, Tile Maker's labourer, b. Kikgunzeon
Mary, 28, b.Caerlaverock
James, 2, b.Caerlaverock
Jannet, 1 month, b. Caerlaverock
1841
The alternative to the one you found with Maxwell and Ann*
Dalbeattie Society Street, Urr
884 ED 6 Page 23
William Clark, 50-54, mason
Agnes, 45-49
Maxwell, 10
Helen, 10
Agnes, 8
Elizabeth, 2 (?)
John Clark, visitor - no age
All b. KKD
* note that it is the son of Maxwell and Ann Neilson who was b. circa 1826 on the 1841.
There is also a Maxwell C c 1826 s/o William and Agnes Millar but the date of birth is too far from 1828/9.
Gadget
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Still can't find Maxwell's death. he was still alive when his son died in 1906 :-\
Gadget
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Another MI from Kirkgunzeon.
I think that this one is for William Clark and Agnes Millar:
William Clark d. 20 June 1853, aged 65
wife Agnes Millar d. 26 Dec 1848, aged 56
son John d. 20 June 1835, aged 15
son William d. Gateside 7 June 1869, aged 54 (wife Jean Leachman Stewart d. Terregles village 22 march 1908, aged 91)
daughter Jessie d. 28 Feb 1881, aged 35
daughter Elizabeth d. Old Mill, Lohfoot 7 July 1911, aged 69 (husband James Hunter)
Erected by son Maxwell
Gadget
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Trying this from a different angle with naming conventions'
Mary Crosbie was bpt. 15 September 1822, Caerlaverock. Her father was James Crosbie. From her death record of 1869 her mother is given as Janet nee Craik
Maxwell Clark and Mary Crosbie's children were:
James - Mary's father
Janet - Mary's mother
Agnes - possibly Maxwell's mother
Maxwell - ?
Mary - Mary
Jane
Willhelmina
Richard
With Mary Cowan (parents James and Mary nee Craik):
(James Cowan before marriage to Maxwell)
Mary
Joseph
Elizabeth
Edward
This is doesn't fit perfectly - we're missing a William but there is a daughter Willhelmina.
I think if I had to gamble, I'd say that Maxwell's parents were William Clark and Agnes Millar.
His death must have been very badly mis-indexed :-\
Gadget
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Dear Gadget,
That is remarkable. Thank you so much for doing all the work and using your time.
I have to come down to a village to use the internet so have only just found all this.
I will go through it all .
I have been given the info that Mary Crosbie died in 7/9/1869
Thank you again I am so grateful
best wishes Lis
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Hi Lis.
Sorry if this seems as if I am hijacking your posting.
Maxwell Clark is a significant Surname in Scottish history.
James Maxwell Clark was the man who discovered the theory about electro-magnetism or something riveting like that. I think the present day equivalent is the use of MR scans in medical diagnosis.
James Maxwell Clark's father inherited some property at Parton under the proviso that he change his name - I think it was to Clark from Maxwell. James was born circa 1832 at Parton - and lived in the local manor with his family. I think he then moved to Edinburgh to be further educated.
I don't know if this is of any relevance at all and if it is not I apologize.
Yours J.A.
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Hi JA :)
I've got a link to the Parton celebrations in honour of James Clerk Maxwell somewhere - I'll put it up
However, this one is a different man.
Gadget
Here's the link to the famous one:
http://www.glenlair.org.uk/who_was_james_clerk_maxwell.asp
and
http://www.answers.com/topic/james-clerk-maxwell
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Hi JA and gadget thank you for your info which I have found most interesting.
As Gadget says I dont think there is any connection but cetainly worth looking at closer.
All the best
Lis
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It was by chance that I came upon this thread about Maxwell Clark. On Christmas Eve, I was trying to explain the relationship of some old family photos to my son. He wanted to "Google" his great-great grandfather, Maxwell Clark. The first site to pop up was RootsChat. We clicked on it and I was excited to read that you seemed to be researching the same line as I am.
My grandfather was Edward Noltie Clark. He was born in Scotland to Maxwell Clark and Mary Cowan.
Edward Noltie Clark moved to England. At some point (probably after Mary Cowan died) Maxwell moved to the Wirral to be with family.
Maxwell Clark died in Birkenhead Wirral on Dec. 19, 1914.
I am looking into Maxwell's parents as well. I am fairly certain that their are William Clark and Agnes Millar.
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Welcome to roots chat Hummingbird. This is a great place to seek and give information.
I will have to look up more about Maxwell as I have moved away from this family ( this was for my friend) so will put some info together and get back to you.
All the best
Lis
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Hi Hummimgbird,
We have different Maxwell Clarks.
I think and I am unsure about these Maxwell Clarkes (there are a few) that your Maxwell m Mary Cowan
16/9/1870.
The Maxwell Clarke s/ William and Agnes Millar c 17/9/1826/
I have no date of marriage for this Maxwell but think he m. Mary Crosbie around 1846 as Maxwell John Crosbie Clarke was born 1848 This is our family.
There is another Max s/ William & Jan Howat c 1833
All this is in Dumfries in Caerlavarock or Kirkgunzeon
Sorry I can't be of more help.
Let me know if I can do more.
All the best
Lis
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Here's a list of the Maxwell Clark[e]'s living in Dms & Kbt according to the transcripts by http://www.dgarchives.fsnet.co.uk/.
You can find other residents by searching for parish & household no.
My interest is more with the 2nd wife of the MC living at Caerlaverock, my ggg aunt Mary Cowan.
Name: CLARK , Maxwell
Address: Loaning Head(815)
Parish: Caerlaverock
Relationship: head of household
Marital Status: married
Occupation: LABOURER tile maker
Age: 22
Born: born Kirkgunzeon Kbt
Household No: 3/17
Name: CLARK , Maxwell
Address: Village of Cottack(822)
Parish: Dunscore
Relationship: daughter of Margaret Clark
Marital Status: unmarried
Occupation: SERVANT agricultural
Age: 19
Born: born Glencairn Dms
Household No: 6/10
Name: CLARK , Maxwell
Address: Balgreddan(871)
Parish: Kirkcudbright
Relationship: sister in law of William Bell
Marital Status: unmarried
Occupation: VISITOR
Age: 35
Born: born Kelton Kbt
Household No: 3A/27
Name: CLARK , Maxwell
Address: Corra(872)
Parish: Kirkgunzeon
Relationship: son of William Clark
Marital Status:
Occupation:
Age: 3
Born: born Kirkgunzeon Kbt
Household No: 2/40
Name: CLARK , Maxwell
Address: Village of Kirkgunzeon(872)
Parish: Kirkgunzeon
Relationship: head of household
Marital Status: married
Occupation: MASON/grocer/farmer of 10 acres
Age: 39
Born: born Kirkgunzeon Kbt
Household No: 3/19
Name: CLARK , Maxwell
Address: Village of Kirkgunzeon(872)
Parish: Kirkgunzeon
Relationship: son of Maxwell Clark
Marital Status:
Occupation: SCHOLAR
Age: 6
Born: born Kirkgunzeon Kbt
Household No: 3/19
Name: CLARKE , Maxwell
Address: Little Culmain(884)
Parish: Urr
Relationship: head of household
Marital Status: married
Occupation: FARMER/proprietor of 150 acres employing 7 workers
Age: 70
Born: born Kirkgunzeon Kbt
Household No: 2/32
Name: CLARKE , Maxwell
Address: Blaiket Cottage(884)
Parish: Urr
Relationship: son in law of Samuel Thomson
Marital Status: married
Occupation: AGRICULTURIST
Age: 24
Born: born Urr Kbt
Household No: 2/38
(thanks to the volunteers at D & G Archives)
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I don't think that there is much doubt that the Maxwell Clark who was married to Mary Crosbie is the same person as the one that married Mary Cowan.
Just look at the names of two of the children listed in the 1881 census:-
Richard Crosbie Clark, son of Mary #1 and Joseph Cowan Clark son of Mary #2.
Joseph Cowan Clark moved to Edinburgh where he was a grocer, and in 1901, he and his wife Margaret (unk) had a son, yet another Maxwell Clark.
(1901 census: Edinburgh South Leith; ED 15; Page 21)