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Title: Where's Newton Lancs
Post by: harrietmont on Saturday 21 June 08 18:15 BST (UK)
Hi
I'm trying to find Sarah Ann Strickland who  gives her  d.o.b.as c1870 in Newton Lancs but who was christened in 1871 in Sheffield.
Her parents John and Elizabeth[Calvert] Strickland were married in Manchester Parish Church and lived in the Ancoats area of Manchester.
I cant find this family at all on either the 1861 or 1871 Census for Lancs or Yorks.
I would appreciate any ideas of where to look next.
Thank you
Harrietmont
Title: Re: Where's Newton Lancs
Post by: PaulineJ on Saturday 21 June 08 18:35 BST (UK)
Okay, Just when & where do you find her? 
What are the FULL details from that source, including associates/family?

Pauline
Title: Re: Where's Newton Lancs
Post by: CaroleW on Saturday 21 June 08 18:35 BST (UK)
Newton could be Newton in Makerfield which was near Haydock.  I'm not sure but I think it was what we now know as Newton Le Willows
Title: Re: Where's Newton Lancs
Post by: Barbara.H on Saturday 21 June 08 18:38 BST (UK)
Several Newtons in Lancs but if they were in Ancoats, it might be Newton Heath (sometimes written down as just Newton) which was close by.  Newton Heath was a big railway/engineering place, if that fits for employment history.

Free bmds have a Sarah Ann Strickland registered in (but not necessarily born in) Sheffield, 2nd quarter 1870 - is that the one?

 :) Barbara
Title: Re: Where's Newton Lancs
Post by: andrewalston on Saturday 21 June 08 20:51 BST (UK)
I take it that the family are the ones in Attercliffe in 1881 (RG11/4665 fol 41 pg 75).

If so there seems to be quite a gap between Elizabeth (16) and Sarah Ann (11). Might this be a second marriage? It might be worth getting Job's birth certificate to get Elizabeth's maiden name. He seems to be registered in Sheffield  - Q2 of 1873, vol9c pg525.
Title: Re: Where's Newton Lancs
Post by: harrietmont on Sunday 22 June 08 10:34 BST (UK)
Hello Everyone
Thank you all for your input.I will fill in the information I have.Sarah Ann's father was John Strickland married Elizabeth Calvert  Dec 1853 at
Cath& Parish Church Manchester
Occupation: Dresser
Address 24 Mount St Ancoats
Father: John Strickland Spinner.
Cant find anything after this until the 1881 Census RG11/4665 Attercliffe[Sheffield]
Children
John George[23] Manchester
Elizabeth[16]            "
Sarah Ann[11]          "
David [9]             Sheffield
Job[7]                       "
I think with the large gaps in the childrens ages that many might have died.
In the 1891 Census Sarah is now married to Frank Cooper with daughters Eleanor and Sarah E but still living with her parents John and Elizabeth.
RG12/3837
This is the Census that states Sarah Ann was born in Newton Manchester
Its a very elusive family,I thought I'd found John b.c1833 in Manchester in the 1841 1851 and 1861 Census but this one was a Mechanic and married a Mary Ann.So up a wrong tree again.
I hope these extra details will help and thank you all for taking the time to look for me
Harrietmont
Title: Re: Where's Newton Lancs
Post by: Dancing Master on Sunday 22 June 08 10:57 BST (UK)
Newton near to Haydock, St Helens is  Newton le Willows.

There is also Newton Heath near Manchester which could be a possibility.
Title: Re: Where's Newton Lancs
Post by: Salford Lass on Monday 23 June 08 11:21 BST (UK)
Harrietmont

Look here for Newton, there is one for Manchester District (which I think is what you are looking to confirm) and there are the 2 from the above post.

http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/manchester.html
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/newton.html

Hope this helps

Debbie
Title: Re: Where's Newton Lancs
Post by: Biko on Monday 23 June 08 13:18 BST (UK)
The sub registeration district for Ashton Under Lyne, Lancashire,  happens to be Newton.
Title: Re: Where's Newton Lancs
Post by: Aulus on Wednesday 25 June 08 19:46 BST (UK)
Although it seems we're looking at Manchester here, I just thought I'd point out that there are at least two other Newtons in Lancashire too.

Newton with Scales, near Kirkham
Newton in Bowland (though probably that was Yorkshire then)
Title: Re: Where's Newton Lancs
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 25 June 08 20:10 BST (UK)
there's also Newton hyde - perhpas Cheshire then but Newton (Heath) is just up the road from Ancoats.
Title: Re: Where's Newton Lancs
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 25 June 08 20:52 BST (UK)
Here's a possibility - would appreciate a second opinion

Shackleton

1861 RG9; Piece: 2873; Folio: 94; Page: 20

Thurza (?) Street Openshaw

John Shackleton (looks like Strickleton?) head married 28 yrs labourer b Manchester
Elizabeth S**ckleton wife 27 yrs b Manchester
John G 3 yrs b manchester
Margaret 1 month b Droylsden

still close enough to Ancoats/Newton Heath

there are a couple of Margaret Strickland births

best wishes
heywood
Title: Re: Where's Newton Lancs
Post by: harrietmont on Thursday 26 June 08 09:14 BST (UK)
Hello Heywood
This seems so promising for the 1861 Census.There was a rumour that the family were called Strickleton so it looks exciting.
I'm out for the day but cant wait to persue further
Thank you so much
harrietmont
Title: Re: Where's Newton Lancs
Post by: heywood on Thursday 26 June 08 19:02 BST (UK)
hope we're not completely on the wrong track here :-\

1851 HO107; Piece: 2226; Folio: 635; Page: 46

street has been crossed but could be Taine (?) St  or similar but is in the area of Ancoats

John Strickleton 17 yrs with a mother Margaret 60 yrs and he is a carter

but  ::)

1841 HO107; Piece 577; Book: 21;   Folio: 34; Page: 9
has a John Strickland 8yrs  with a Hannah aged 50 yrs- presumably mother. Ashton St Ancoats - not that far away from the other one  :-\

but   ::)

1841 HO107; Piece 577; Book: 25;  Folio: 22; Page: 3
Tame Street ( as earlier) - transcribed as Stickland
John Strickland 50 yrs  cotton spinner
margaret 50 yrs
Margaret 12 yrs
John 7 yrs
all born county
which fits in with the 1851 John with mother Margaret.

getting even better but still keep a bit of caution  ;)
Family Search IGi has a baptism for John Strickland or Strickleton 1833 Manchester Cathedral- parents John and Margaret. (from church records)
Title: Re: Where's Newton Lancs
Post by: harrietmont on Thursday 26 June 08 20:22 BST (UK)
Hi Heywood
This all looks so promising.I'm not so sure about Hannah being Johns Mother but the other 1841 and 1851 Census looks very promising.
I have a copy of a Baptism Manchester Parish Church Aug 1833 of John son of John and Margaret Strickland.Under this it says something which could be "otherwise" Strickleton.The father John is a Spinner
John b 1833 marries Elizabeth Calvert 1853 Occ Dresser and at his son John George's baptism 1857[all at Manchester Cathedral] he is a Dyer.
It seems the family exchanged the hell holes of the Manchester Textile Industry for the hell holes of the Sheffield Steel Works and associated industries.
I've still a lo of checking to do but I do thank you so much for finding this information for me.
Best Wishes
Harrietmont
Title: Re: Where's Newton Lancs
Post by: heywood on Thursday 26 June 08 20:24 BST (UK)
it's a pleasure- the findings fit in with your baptism certificates etc but whether they are the people you want  ??? ???

best wishes
heywood