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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Warwickshire => Topic started by: karenlee on Tuesday 24 June 08 08:55 BST (UK)
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Hi All
I am trying to find out some more information about William PROFFITT and Mary GARDINER who married 3 May 1758 in Brailes, Warwickshire.
I do have 4 children to this couple..... Robert 1760, William 1761, Ann 1765 and Richard 1758 from whom I am descended.
This family did end up in Oxfordshire, but it is before that time that I am interested in. I would love to find if there were any more children to William and Mary, and if possible, any siblings and parents for either of them.
Big ask I know. If anyone has the Parish Records for Brailes or close by, could they please check and see if there is anything about these families??
Many thanks for any help or suggestions
Karenlee
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I have had a contact this morning looking for this very couple I wonder if anyone is able to help with it please We know Richard married in Steeple Barton does anyone know if any of his siblings also married and why are the parents such a mystery?
Trees
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Send it my way Trees and between us we should sort it out.... ;D ;D ;D
Cheers
Karenlee
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Hi,
just found your post and see from your profile that you are still active so where did you get to with this?
I have traced my sister's female (ie mother's, mother's, mother's etc) line to Mary Prophet born in Steeple Barton to Robert Proffit(t) who some users on Ancestry have as a son to the Richard b1758 that you have.
Did you ever find out where they came from? As the marriage seems fairly adjacent to Richard's birth it may well be that they were shipped out to a relative and decided to stay there or legged it.
Mary ended up in Leamington Spa in Warwicks.
The baptism record for Richard (spelt Prophet incidentally) is available on Ancestry and I live in Warwick so if there is anything required from the record office I can go and get it.
Regards,
Bob
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Hi Bob can you confirm you are talking about Mary Proffit baptised
1816 17 Mar PROFIT Mary d Robert & Sarah M.B. Labourer wg
Robert married twice both brides being Sarah!
Mary's mother was his first wife
18 Oct 1813 Steeple Barton Robert Proffitt and Sarah Hayward they had 4 children before she died and was buried in SB 16 Dec 1819
He then married Sarah MOLE 11 Aug 1856 SB
Robert was baptised in SB
1790 7 Mar Robert s Richard & Ann PROFIT Pauper
I think Richard married Ann Betts 5 Oct 1779 in Wroxton, Oxfordshire he is on the 1841 census HO107/ 889/ 5 fo 5 p 5 he was buried in SB
1844 13 Mar Richard PROFIT M.B. 88 to
I think he was baptised in Brailes maybe you could confirm this at the RO
22 Nov 1758 Brailes, Warwickshire Richard son of William and Mary
William married Mary Gardner 3 May 1758 in Brailes they had 4 children
This maybe Mary's burial in SB
1795 12 Oct Mary PROFIT
and William's again SB
1793 20 Apr William PROFIT pauper
Let me know what you think of this and if you want more about the various children
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The 1841 and 1851 censuses have my Mary's year of birth as 1821 in Barton, Oxfordshire, and her marriage in 1842 has her as full age, father Robert Prophet. I could not find a Mary Prophet born in Barton in 1821 so she may have got her age wrong or lied about it as her husband was born in 1820.
Another piece of circumstantial evidence is that in the 1841 census she is living in the house of her future father in law and with her is a 15 year old Sarah Hayward who may have been her cousin.
Assuming it is the same person, have you any information on her mother, Sarah Hayward, as I need her to carry on the female line.
Thanks for this,
Bob
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I assume you are looking at Mary Overton wife of William? On the 1851 census she is 30 living in Leamington Priors.
Remember the 1841 census ages were rounded to the nearest 5years so her age of 20 covers a birth periosd of 1816-1821 which is correct for a lady we know baptised in 1816 In 1851 she simply said about 30 if you look at the 1861 census she is down as 43
It looks like she died in 1863 but that will need confirmation
William is with his parents in 1841 also born 1816-1821 but where was he in 1851 his father was an Army penshioner in 1841 so was William also serving in the forces?
His baptism was at All Saints Leamington Priors, on 5 Dec 1819 he was 1 week old to Samuel a labourer and Elizabeth
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Sarah Hayward was baptised 14 Oct 1792in Ascot under Wychwood oxfordshire to JohnHaywood and Pheobe nee Mead
John died in ascot-u-w 18 Jul 1835 aged 78 so must have been born about 1757
he married Pheobe in AscotUW 25 Oct 1786 and they had three daughters Pheobe,Sarah and Hannah
Pheobe died in Ascot UW 5 Mar 1826 aged 76 so was born about 1750
But Don;t worry too much about the ages as age was not so important ti people in those times
I am afraid that is as far as I have gone as they are way out on the twigs of my tree but i hope this helps
Trees :)
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This may be interesting
There is a notice in the London Gazette and in the Devises and wiltshire Gazette both on Dec 11 1856 for a William Overton of Leamington Priors Warwickshire a builder becoming bankrupt
The same notice is repeated in several other papers So was William away from home building on the 1851 and 1861 censuses or did he serve a term in debtors prison? its worth a look
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Many, many thanks for all this.
Yes I had forgotten (I think I did know at one point) about the 1841 census.
Thanks for pushing my sister's female line further.
I had not really gone into William Overton's life. To be honest I have concentrated on my father's line (Thurman) and it was only when my sister had a DNA test done that she asked about the female line. I have tried to push the branches out as far as they would go and have not done enough to put the leaves on.
On looking into this I have discovered a William Overton was transported for 15 years for violent burglary as part of a gang of four on 23/3/1846. The bankrupt was probably another William Overton in Leamington who is down as a builder in the 1861 census.
Mary's youngest daughter was born in 1850 but no father is mentioned on the baptism whereas her two eldest do have William's name on the certificate.
It is not definitive but it does look like that is what happened to him.
As luck would have it the bloodline goes through Ellen. I will have to get her birth certificate to see if her father is mentioned, though the female line still runs up to Pheobe Mead.
Once again, many thanks,
Bob
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Oh gosh have you read the report of the robbery in the leamington newspaper It was a nasty affair though the report has its humorous moments like when the householder took his blunderbus out side his bedroom to be greeted by hos terrified servant imploring him not to shoot and later one of the robbers held the householder down and literally said "your money or your life" The description of the damage they did to his precious furniture and the sentimental property they took is rather harrowing o wonder the sentence was harsh. Three of them were sent together on the john Calvin but I can't find the fourth on that ship. I wonder what happened to him after that.
His little son was baptised just six days before he sailed,His wife was left with three tiny children(4,2,and a babe) to care for and we know had a child after he had left the entry in the baptism book makes no bones about it "..The illegitimate daughter of Mary Overton the hisband undergoing transportation abroad Thomas Bowen? Officiating Minister"
I wonder did she hope the father would take the family on with William out of the way. She earned her living as a laundress from the censuses.
Have you looked in the RO to see if there were bastardy papers for Mary Overton for the care of Ellen? If Mary was able to keep bread on the table with out asking for parish relief there may not be a record though. if there is the father will be named
Poor Mary having to live in the town with everyone knowing what had happened she was punished for his wrong doing.
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Punishment in 1846 seems most unjust the report makes it clear who the ring leader was and that they had been to at least 4 pubs before the robbery and that it was William who tended the mans wounds and did not break the cabinet or rifle through its contents yet all four had the same sever sentence. There was no doubt that he was involved though his boots matched some of the footprints in the flowerbeds and the wounded man recognised him.
Did you see the information about William's father Samuel's military career? Poor man lost a leg at Talavera and was taken prisoner of war for 6 years in France. He must have been devastated by William's transportation too.
What an interesting family makes a change from the reams of ag labs with little or no information to find
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I think I have had a couple of senior moments, I appear not to have successfully uploaded my last 2 replies so I'll have another go.
Thanks for all this.
I need to get another subscription to the News Archive, I saw the precis but not the full story.
Where did you get the ship name from? I tried and failed.
A William Overton was convicted of GBH at Warwick Assizes around 1885. I will have a look at the archive but I doubt it was the same man as convicts rarely could afford the return fare. So we have 3 William Overtons in the Leamington area, 1 went bankrupt, 1 was a burglar and 1 was a thug.
The child could have been the result of her needing some comfort, a man taking advantage of her, rape or she may have been forced to prostitution. I don't know and unlike at the time, she has my sympathy, not my moral judgement.
It is ironic that he was probably recognised because he tended to the injured man.
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The Newspapers are on FindMyPast if you pm me your e mail I'll send you a copy
The convict ship is on http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au and a bit more about him such as him earning extra days off by hard work and blotting his record by being awl for a couple of days are all found on
http://www.convictrecords.com.au/convicts/overton/william/23979
If you get problems again I can send it if required
Samuel's military record is also on FindMyPast and a tree on An..ry has summarised it too look for public tree for Samuel Overton
Oh by the way the first child Fanny Elizabeth was born in 1842 and died in 1844 so the records on the Tasmania site saying he had two children were correct and Mary had two children at the time of his sentence one age 2 and the babe
Happy to help I am wondering if we trace the Overtons back they will link up to a second one on my tree Thomas OVERTON who married Sarah HAKESLEY in 1777 in Ufton Warwickshire
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Thanks
Did you note that William's mother's maiden name was Hayward as was Mary's mother's? That could be how she ended up in Leamington. William's mom was born in Ladbroke so may have been a cousin to Mary's mom, or it could be a big coincidence.
I don't think they will link to the Ufton Overtons as Samuel was born in Ladbroke, 5 miles or so south west of Leamington in 1787 whereas Ufton is around 5 miles East of Leamington.
You may find that the William who went bankrupt was of that line but Overton seems to have been a common name and the 1861 census has him as born in Kenilworth. There was a William Overton born in Ufton and working as a servant on a farm in Hampton Lucy, Warwickshire, 1851. By 1861 he had married Esther and still living in Hampton Lucy in 1871. There is a William living in Ufton in 1841 but not part of a family group. He was an Ag Lab. There is a William baptised 10/10/1824 in Ufton, parents Thomas and Jane.
Children of Thomas & Mary in Ufton from FamilySearch
I don't entirely believe FS so if you are interested I would go back to the baptism record to check.
Mary Bapt 21/2/1779
Richard Bapt 4/3/1787
Diana 29/11/1789
Elizabeth bapt 14/9/1781
There was also a Sarah baptised in Binley 25/12/1782 to a Thomas and Sarah who died 28/3/1787.
Bob
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Thanks for all this Bob all this is far out on the twigs of my tree but I'll try to explain what I know:
Thomas Overton was born 1759 in ufton son of Richard and Ann. He married Sarah HAKESLEY (the Hakesleys are on my direct line but Sarah is a cousin of my direct ancestor sharing grandparents) Sarah was born in Wolfhampton in 1759 Thomas and Sarah had children in Ufton between 1777- 1789. so well and truly based in Ufton. But my map shows Ladbroke to be just 3 miles from Ufton so I don't think we can dismiss a link to the two families. Where are you looking I have Ladbroke about a mile south of Southam and Ufton about a mile east of Southam. both about 5-7 miled East of Leamington not huge distances in those times when men often walked 10 miles to work daily
I had noted the Haywards but as yet haven't located Mary's Mum's birth place and sadly she died before appearing on a census all I know is she married in Steeple Barton. AND Mary Proffit William Overton's wife was from Middle Barton,The Bartons are close to each other in fact they share a church so if we only go on baptisms marriages etc it will look like everyone was from Steeple Barton where the chuch was my direct ancestors the Allens were the blacksmiths in Middle Barton.
My Great great grandmother Eliza Allen'ssister Ann married William Proffet brother of Mary Proffet who married William Overton the convict
I'll keep looking :)
H.
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Do you think that Elizabeth and Sarah Hayward were sisters daughters of John and Catherine nee Lidbrook? I think it very likely
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Wey hey bells and whistles I am pretty sure I have linked my Thomas Overton and our William Overton
Itall goes on the proximity of Ufton and Ladbroke a distance of 3 miles I suggest is insignificant for the dates we are interested in.
It goes like this:
Thomas Overton married Sarah Hakesley in Ufton on 12 Dec 1777...[Sarah is on my mother's tree]
He seems to be baptised in Ufton 12 Nov 1749 son of Richard and Ann Overton.
Richard and Ann had 9 children baptised in Ufton one being William 9 Sep 1753 nothing else turns up in Ufton registers for a William born about 1753 but three miles away in Ladbroke
William married Elizabeth WARREN 26 Aug 1776 if this is the same William he would have been 23 not a bad age. This William amd Elizabeth had 9 children in Ladbroke one being Samuel baptised 27 Feb 1785 and married Elizabeth HAYWARD 25 Sep 1817 in Near by Leamington priors they had four children in LP. Their first child was William who married Mary Proffit and was transported.
Mary Proffit os on my father's tree. So if this is all correct it links my paternal line to my maternal line and just before I go to meet one set of my cousins wow
What do you think is it a stong enough argument?
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Firstly, I am sorry. I was convinced that there was a Ladbroke south of Warwick and assumed it was the one referred to. Checking up I am totally wrong and it is 2 miles south of Southam, as you say.
A couple more pieces of circumstantial evidence:
Anne Overton of the Parish of Southam was married there 22/10/1781.
Mary Overton of the parish of Southam was married there 1/8/1775.
These could be the daughters of Richard and Ann, indicating that they had moved to Southam.
However there is a William Overton married Elizabeth Davenport in Ladbroke in 1782.
and a William Overton b Southam 1737 to Thomas & Mary.
Bedtime now so I will leave it at that now. I'll do some more looking tomorrow.
Bob
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right looking at the additional facts you have found
William/Elizabeth Davenport m Ladbroke 1782
our William and Elizabeth had their first child Frances 1777 Ladbroke which is better for William m Elizabeth 1776 Ladbroke
two William births
1737 Southam he was 39 in 1776 and 45 in 1782
1753 Ufton he was 23 in 1776 and 29 in 1782
So the one born in 1753 seems a better match for both marriages
The dates for children baptised in Ladbroke to William and Elizabeth:
1777,1778,1779,1781.....1785,1786, 1788, 1790,1794
It is possible that there are two couples involved I wonder was William married twice
Elizabeth Overton wife of William was buried Ladbroke 21 Mar 1781
Elizabeth overton daughter of William and Elizabeth was baptised 29 Mar 1781 and buried 21 Jun 1781 So it looks like William did marry the second Elizabeth If you look at the grooms signature on both marriages it is very similar even though there is no mention of marital state
So that just leaves the question of the Southam William
I think "our" William is the one baptised in 1753
what do you think?
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I agree. A second marriage was my thoughts and it was going to be my next exploration. I agree about the Williams as well. It would be nice to pin the earlier one down and I'll try and do that tonight.
Bob
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I'm going to look at the Ann and Mary you have found marrying in Southam as you say they do look good for Richard's daughters Could have gone into service in Southam its the nearest sizable town
Next time you go to the RO in Warwick ask if they have any Bastardy records for Mary Overton Leamington 1850 you may be lucky I found a wealth of parish chest stuff for Willoughby there I was so lucky one of my Ellards was Overseer of the poor and another parish Clerk so thee was a lot to see.Its a nice friendly RO isn't it but its been ages since we were in the area.But as the baby was well provided for she may not have gone to the parish for assistance. Did you see how big Jesse overton's laundry was I am sure that was where mary was working.Did you see all the data they have found about William in Australia? http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=696804.msg5402446#msg5402446
They have found him marrying having a family and dying
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Haywards:
Elizabeth bapt 18/11/1797 to John & Catherine at Ladbroke.
Sarah bapt 26/6/1794 " " " " "
William bapt 24/1/1804 " " " " "
On 3/11/1823 a William Hayward of Ladbroke marries Hester Collet at Stretton On Dunsmore. The witnesses are Charles Hayward and Hannah Hayward. Charles is possibly the son of Dorothy and Edward and Hannah might be his other sister b 16/11/1800 or Charles' wife (?).
13/8/1826 William and Esther Hayward have a daughter, Sarah, baptised in Leamington.
At the 1841 census a Sarah Hayward, aged 15, is living with Elizabeth Overton, nee Hayward in Leamington.
Esther Collett was born in 1799 and an Esther Hayward died in Leamington 8/3/1840 who's birth was around 1800. There are some indications in the news precis I can read that a Hayward was up before the beak in the period 1826-1841, I can't see a William's death in Leamington before then.
So I reckon that William Hayward was out of the picture and Esther died so his sister, Elizabeth Overton, takes care of his daughter, Sarah.
So, yes, I am reasonably sure that they were sisters, daughters of John & Catherine (nee Lidbrook).
John & Catherine were married in Radford Semele in 1788, both being of the parish.
Bob
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Well done Sherlock..er bob. That was a neat bit of detection great, that can be added in now Gosh I really think we have gone a long way working together thats what Rootschat is all about isn;t it.
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A fellow chatter has this tree:
Sidney John Overton, bn 16/03/1899, Hampton Lucy, the youngest of 5 children of Thomas Overton, bn 1862, Hampton Lucy and Mary Heath bn 1869, Broadwell, Gloucestershire.
Thomas was the second child of William Overton bn 1824, Ufton and Esther Roadnight, bn 1837, Hampton Lucy.
William appears to be son of Thomas Overton bn 1786, Ladbrook and Jane Farr, bn 1793, Reddich.
As yet I haven't followed Thomas 1786 down. He was a son of William and Elizabeth Davenport. Can we have a look at him for a bit to help Kohab out? I'll try to do a bit in the morning but I'm busy with the meeting of the Clan so can't guarantee how much I'll be able to do until I get back mid week. (We leave Sunday morning so I need to pack, shop etc tomorrow
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Had a quick look today and this all seems good
the 1851 census shows William born 1823 ufton in Hampton Lucy
An..ry has an image of his baptism in Ufton
Name: William Overton
Parish: Ufton
Baptism Date: 10 Oct 1824
Father's Name: Thomas Overton
Mother's name: Jane Overton
Thomas and Jane had three children
Hannah Overton Leamington Priors, 29 Feb 1824
William above
Jane1831 Minverton I wondered about this one and found that Minverton is now considered a suburb of Leamington and she witnessed Hannah's marriage
When the girls marry they say their father was a labourer
Thomas married Jane
Name: Jane Farr
Spouse Name: Thomas Prieston
Marriage or Bann Date: 1 Aug 1823
Event Type: Marriage
Parish: Leamington Priors, All Saints
It took a bit of finding as you can see An..ry has mis transcribed Overton for Preston the image is clearly Overton
In 1851 Thomas and Jane are living in Charles St Leamington he was a Chelsea Pentioner from Ladbroke
I have found some of his military papers and will try to transcribe them for you when we get back
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How's this for a transcription? its a wonder anyone can find the marriage record!
Name: Esther Prodenight
Birth Year: abt 1837
Age: 23
Spouse Name: William Orenton
Spouse Age: 34
Marriage or Bann Date: 20 Sep 1860
Event Type: Marriage
Parish: Hampton Lucy
Father Name: Henis Rodenight
Spouse Father Name: Sham Orenton
In 1841 Esther RODENIGHT is with her mother Esther in Hampton Lucy by 1851 her mother has re married but Esther is still with her.
Name: Esther Rodenight
Age: Full Age widow
Spouse Name: James Smith
Spouse Age: Full Age
Marriage or Bann Date: 14 Dec 1848
Event Type: Marriage
Parish: Hampton Lucy
Father Name: John Manton
Spouse Father Name: William Smith
So we have the right family now what would you like to know Kohab?
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Thomas served in the 19 regiment of foot (The Green Howards) from 1803 (he was only 17) served in Ceylon and was discharged in 1820 his conduct was good but he was "worn out " when discharged.There are papers for his military service on both An..try and FindMyPast but not as much information as on other records I've come in the past.
Charles Howard was colonel of Green Howards (their tunics had green linings) and Thomas Howard was Colonel of the Buff Howards or simply "The Buffs"
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Some information on Esther Roadnight, wife of William Overton.
Approx 18 months after the death of her husband it appears Esther had a relationship with an u/k male which resulted in the birth of her daughter, Linda Jane Overton in 1878.
1891 census lists Esther as 54, bn Hampton Lucy, occ Laundress, living with daughter Linda in Snitterfield Rd., Hampton Lucy.
1901 census shows Esther as 66 yrs old a widower living Snitterfield Rd, Hampton lucy, two houses away from son Thomas. She is listed as an agricultural worker.
For your information, I have a photo of William/Esther's son Thomas.
Buriel record for 23rd March 1909 lists Esther as 74 years old from Hampton Lucy.
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Its good to have a bit more information it will save a longer search many thanks Kohab
Its a most unusual surname I wonder where it originated
Must sign off now see everyone next week hope you all find plenty more while I'm away
Happy hunting
Treea
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Had an hour off from my husbandly duties because of good behaviour so I went up to Warwick RO to look for 007's wicked brother, bastardy bonds, on the off chance they have them catalogued. Unfortunately they don't so I took the references I need and will have to go back to look at the quarter assizes. I will look for Esther Overton as well, to see if she claimed.
There are some Overton's mentioned in the apprentice records, one of whom was a carpenter in Hampton Lucy,having James Hadlon as an apprentice. Most, if not all, of these records seem to pertain to residents of Warwick St Mary so I assume they were paupers apprenticed out.
There was also a reference to a Henry who went AWOL in Jan 1743-4 and was returned to Warwick St Mary's in the Poor Law records.
Bob
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Some more information on my wife's branch of the family.
William Overton and Esther Roadnight had four children
Fanny bn 1860
Thomas bn 1862, ch 27/07/1862
William bn 1870, ch 11/09/1870
Ann bn 1873, ch 17/05/1873
Then there was Linda ch 21/07/1878. 1891 census gives her age as 12. As William was buried 25/05/1876, it confirms that Linda was bn between 18 months and 2 yrs after Williams death.
Thomas had five children with Mary A Heath, all born Hampton Lucy.
Annie Gertrude, bn 1891, ch 5/7/1891
Thomas William, bn 1893, ch 5/3/1893
Linda Louise, bn 1896, ch 4/10/1896. m Charles Burnard. d 1943.
Beatrice Mary, bn 21/1/1898
Sidney John, bn 16/03/1899, ch 4/6/1899
For the record Thomas was buried 2/4/1914, H/L and Mary buried 16/03/1913, H/L.
If anyone is interested in any more, let me know, including Sidney's WW1 record
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I am sorry to do this, but can I throw a small spanner in the works?
The problem relates to the identity of the William Overton, who previously has been suggested to be the one born 1753 in Ufton. The problem is that marriage records for Fenny Compton list a wedding on 9/8/1783 for William Overton of Ufton and Anne Maycock of Fenny Compton. In addition burial records for Ufton list the death of William Overton for 6/2/1801.
The above would suggest that the William Overton we are researching is not the one from Ufton. More searching!
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I have been taking a look at the various possibilities for William Overton and have come up with several options. The best fit of year and location is for Long Itchington, ch 30/10/1748, son of John and Hannah Overton.
Your thoughts please.
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Bob can you check if they have any poor law records for Leamington or parish wardens accounts If she was claiming on the parish for the children you may find mention in those but I think the dates will be too late as once the workhouses were introduced such problems were no longer dealt with by the parish Just checked with the peter Higginbotham siteLleamington priors was part of the Warwick union and the workhouse was well and truly in use by 1836 so I doubt we will find anything. shame
Even if she had come under the parish poor law she may not have needed to claim for Ellen as it looks like she was employed by Jesse in his laundry and he was watching out for them I don't think she needed to resort to charity.Shame it looks like you loose a strand from your sister's tree at that point I can help you with her mothers line though you should find her on my web site have a look and let me know where the gaps are that we can work on filling.
So now we need to address the problem Kohab has highlighted shame I thought mum was going to relate to dad ;D
Now lets
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O.....kay so we have a big spanner thrown in
We have Richard Overton and Ann with 9 children baptised in Ufton including Thomas 1749 who married Sarah Hakesley(my tree) in Ufton in 1777 they had 4 children baptised in Ufton so far so good Richard and Ann also had a William in 1753 who we thought married the two Elizabeths and was father of the transported William but this is where the big doubt sets in as there was a William from Ufton marrying in Fenny Compton on 9/8/1783 to Anne Maycock of Fenny Compton.
We also have the 1801 death fro William Overton in Ufton
So the question is what can we find about these Williams to sort them out.
As we already have looked at the William and two Elizabeths I'm going to start with the William and Ann and see what I can find
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Right I have been looking As you have found it looks like the William born in Ufton in 1753 married Ann MAYCOCK and died in Ufton in 1801
We know William and his wives lived in Lad broke which is perfect for the William Kohab has found in Long Itchington
There is a burial in Ladbroke of a 70 year old William Overton 21 June 1819 giving a birth in 1749
Long Itchington is just north of Southam and Ladbroke just South of the town so it looks very sound to me and I will adjust my tree accordingly
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Long Itchington registers also have a Richard baptised in 1720 which could be the Richard father of Thomas born 1749 in Ufton who married my Sarah Hakesley so the two may yet link up.
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Hi,
Yes it is possible that this is the Richard, however a Richard Overton is recorded as being buried Long Itchington on 8th March 1737.
My intention now is to look into all Overtons recorded in Long Itching and nearby parishes via Ancestry before broadening to other evidence. One interesting fact I have already picked up on is that there was an increased number of burials during the period mid 1720's to 1740. In fact 15 Overton's were buried in the small village of Long Itchington between 1727 and 1738. I presume that there was either some serious illness in the area, e.g., cholera or a famine.
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Good luck with the An..ry search I spent the morning correcting transcriptions for John and Hannah Overton's children I noticed that Family Search had more than the two that turned up when I searched on An..ry so I went back a forth through the register and found the extra ones shown on FS for example they have:
John Voeston Baptism 27 Dec 1743 Long Itchington John Voeston Hannah Voeston
but when you look at it it is clearly Overton.In fairness the date is hard to read but I think it more like 18th than 27th.
Still it is quicker than a trip to Warwick for us.. not as much fun though.
Let me know if you link John (father of William 1748) and Richard (father of William 1753)
I wish there were ages on those early deaths it would be sooo helpful
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My way is to ignore their transcriptions and go through the original records a page at a time. I will then go back and check against transcriptions. It's slow but it works.
On a separate note, it looks as though Jesse, brother of Thomas and Samuel, also had a military career.
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Jesse 1794? I'll take a look . Agree time consuming but worth it thats how i found the odd transcripts.
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I see what you mean Bugbrook is well into Northamptonshire was his birth place miss heard or understood should it be Ladbroke Warwickshire? I can't find a Jesse Overton born in Bugbrook on line it would be an amazing coincidence for two Jesses the same age one from Ladbroke and one from Bugbrook wouldn't it
Jesse had the Waterloo medal and served in Canada but there is scant information on his service on line I wonder if there is more in Kew.
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Greetings,
Below is the list of baptisms for Overtons in Long Itchington. I have not checked all against Ancestry yet, but suspect a number will be missing from the website. I'm sorry that things don't line up, I can e-mail the original excel doc if anyone wants a copy. Dates in the last column are where Jan/Feb/Mar are recorded in prior year. Next in line are burials.
Long Itchington Baptisms - Overton
Christian name Surname Date of Baptism Father Mother Comments
Nathaniell Overton 08/10/1654 John Joane Bn 28/09/1654
Alice Overton 04/03/1655 Roger Elizabeth Bn 26/02/1655, (1654)
William Overton 25/12/1655 John Joane Bn 18/11/1655
Elizabeth Overton 30/07/1661 Richard Mary
Alice Overton 02/09/1663 Richard Mary
Catherine? Overton 14/03/1665 John Catherine 1664
Nathaniell Overton 30/01/1668 John Elizabeth Bn 15/01/1668 (1667)
Thomas Overton 14/02/1668 Roger Elizabeth 05/12/1667 (1668)
Mary Overton 21/03/1669 John Katherine 1668
John Overton 18/11/1669 John Elizabeth Bn 01/11/1669
Thomas Overton 16/02/1670 Richard Mary Bn 03/02/1670 (1669)
John Overton 12/12/1671 John Katherine 15/12/1671
Thomas Overton 25/02/1672 John Elizabeth Bn 05/01/1672
Elizabeth Overton 25/02/1674 John Katherine 1673
John Overton 09/02/1675 Thomas Alice? 1674
? Overton 22/02/1676 John ? 1675
Thomas Overton 24/05/1677 Thomas Elizabeth
Richard Overton 23/09/1679 Thomas Elizabeth
William Overton ?/11/1684 John Elizabeth
Elizabeth Overton 02/02/1700 Bn 21/01/1700 (1699)
Richard Overton 19/01/1704 Nath Bn 18/01/1704 (1703), Not listed Anc
Sarah Overton 19/01/1704 Nath Bn 18/01/1704 (1703), Not listed Anc
? Overton 07/02/1707 Nath 1708 alt?
John Overton 27/03/1708 John 1707
Mary Overton 19/03/1713 John Of Baskott
Anne Overton 31/12/1712 John Mary
Richard Overton 12/02/1721 Richard Anne 1720
Mary Overton 08/09/1724 Wm Sarah
John Overton 11/04/1727 William Sarah
Thomas Overton 17/09/1728 Richard Elizabeth Bn 25/08/1728
Thomas Overton 17/11/1729 William Sarah
John Overton 12/03/1730 Richard Elizabeth 1729/30
Mary Overton 12/03/1730 Richard Elizabeth 1729/30
William Overton 07/06/1732 William Sarah
Elizabeth Overton? 1733 William Sarah
Nathanaol Overton 28/12/1735 John Hannah
Hannah Overton 14/09/1740 John ? Privately Baptised
Ann Overton 14/05/1745 Mary Spurious daughter
Wm Overton 30/10/1748 John Hannah
Mary Overton 25/11/1753 John Hannah
Richard Overton 04/04/1756 John Hannah
Mary Overton 16/02/1757 John
Ann Overton 25/07/1762 John Mary
Tho Overton 09/12/1765 William Eliz
Tho Overton 10/07/1766 William Eliz
Bernard Overton 10/07/1766 William Eliz
Jno Overton 20/05/1767 Jno Mary
Eliz Overton 12/01/1768 Wm Elizabeth
William Overton 22/12/1769 William Elizabeth
William Overton 28/12/1769 John Mary
Tho Overton 12/11/1772 John Mary
Jemima Overton 20/11/1772 William Elizabeth
Joseph Overton 24/07/1774 William Elizabeth
John Overton 27/03/1799 John Maria
William Overton 12/02/1802 Jno Maria
James Overton 16/01/1803 Henry Ann
Mary Overton 16/03/1804 Jno Maria
Richard Overton 19/12/1806 Henry Ann
Charles Overton 14/01/1809 Henry Ann
Ann Overton 07/07/1809 Henry Ann
Sarah Overton 30/03/1811 Henry Ann
Charles Overton 21/05/1812 Henry Ann
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Wow you have been working hard for us many thanks . Literally just back from Goodwood so will take a good look when I've unpacked
Trees
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Addition to Long Itchington Baptisms
Missed off the John you mentioned a few posts ago. However I have as John Overton, 26/12/1743? John and Hannah Overton. It only goes to show how difficult it is to read.
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Any sign of the one baptised 2 Jul 1738 Long Itchington to John & Hannah when i looked at the PR on Ancestry it looked like the child's name had not been entered possibly a very sick babe. couldn't see any clue to its sex either,
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I have taken a look myself and confirm that the date and parents are clear. It could be that the name was missed off but believe that this is highly unlikely as a baptism involved the naming of the child before God. The only two burials listed during the following 6 months are for Anne and William Overton, who were not recorded as children/infants.
Looking at the record more closely the ye is also faded leading me to believe that the entry is damaged be it by water or some other means. There are some earlier years where there is more extensive damage.
I am aware that I may have missed more and need to check against Ancestry, but wanted to give a starting point for checks. I should start typing up burials over the next few days.
Best wishes
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You are doing a brilliant job many thanks the ancesters didn't make it easy for us but it ads to the fun of the chase I'm slowly piecing the information together but now find we are off on our travells again tomorrow so no sooner unpacked than I have to start packing again
Trees in a spin
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Ok, please find listed burials and marriages for Overtons in Long Itchington.
Burials -
Long Itchington - Burials
Christian Name Surname Date Comments
Nathaniell Overton 28/05/1655 Son of John and Joane
William Overton 14/10/1656 Son of John and Joane
Elizabeth Overton 05/08/1656 Wife of John Overton
Edward Overton 26/10/1657 Son of John and Joane
Alice Overton 20/09/1658 An old woman
John Overton 14/10/1658 Of Baffcutt (Bascott?)
John Overton 14/04/1660 Son of John
Bridgett Overton 28/04/1662 Wife of Thomas Overton
Elizabeth Overton 12/03/1664 1663, Daughter of Alice
Thomas Overton 25/06/1664 An old man
John Overton 18/08/1668 Son of Roger Overton, died 17/08/1668
Alice Overton 21/09/1669
Thomas Overton 21/04/1670 Son of Roger Overton
John Overton 15/02/1675 Son of Thomas and ? 1674
Elizabeth Overton 01/02/1683 1684
Roger Overton 23/10/1684
Mary Overton 13/04/1688
John Overton 18/04/1688
Ricd Overton 30/05/1692
Richard? Overton 26/09/1692
Elizabeth Overton 30/09/1692
Tho Overton ?/09/1696
Nath Overton 31/01/1698
Martha Overton 03/06/1702
Richard Overton 30/01/1704 son of Ruth Overton, 1703
Sarah Overton 30/01/1704 daughter of Ruth Overton, 1703
Thomas Overton 02/06/1715
John Overton 31/12/1716
Mary Overton 17/09/1717
Thomas Overton 20/04/1718
John Overton 11/09/1720
Mary Overton 26/09/1720
Timothy Overton 28/05/1721
John Overton 20/01/1726 1725
Elizabeth Overton 26/01/1728
Thomas Overton 20/11/1728
Nathaniell Overton 18/12/1728
John Overton 16/04/1729
Mary Overton 25/04/1729
John Overton 17/03/1730 1729
Mary Overton 23/02/1734 daughter of Richard and Elizabeth, 1733
Richard Overton 01/11/1735 of Bascote
Elizabeth Overton 16/05/1736 Wife of Richard Overton
Elizabeth Overton 21/05/1736 daughter of Richard Overton
Richard Overton 08/03/1737 1736
Catherine Overton 02/05/1737 daughter of widow Overton
Anne Overton 16/11/1737
William Overton 09/04/1738
Ann Overton 10/02/1745 1744
Robert Overton 06/01/1745 of Bascot
? Overton 03/02/1745 widow Overton of Bascot
Thomas Overton 14/04/1760
Hannah Overton 27/07/1767
John Overton ?/05/1776
Sarah Overton 07/06/1793
William Overton 10/07/1797 son of John and Mary
John Overton 12/11/1798
William Overton 30/09/1803 son of Jno and Maria Overton
Henry Overton 18/06/1807 son of Henry and Ann Overton
Mary Overton 09/02/1807 aged 78
Richard Overton 09/02/1807 Infant
John Overton 12/02/1807 Aged 39
Charles Overton 30/08/1808 Infant
Saml Overton 29/11/1809 Parish Clerk
Now marriages, not many -
Long Itchington - Marriages
Husband Wife Date Comments
William Curral/Garret? Elizabeth Overton 10/02/1672 Ancestry records as Garner, 1671
John Hopkins Mary Overton 07/10/1693
Nath Overton Martha Johnson 01/10/1694
Richard Watts Mary Overton 19/10/1698
Richard Overton Anne Ashbee 11/12/1718
Jerimiah Bottom Elizabeth Overton 02/03/1731 1730
Richard Holden Sarah Overton 24/06/1758 Wit; Thos Gilks/William Ravens? Banns recorded
Now I need to move to adjacent parishes. Only problem is Ancestry doesn't have the original documents scanned for many of these. Still onwards and upwards!