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Some time ago I posted a request for help with the FROME family from Wiltshire, and thought I had exhausted that line of inquiry (see: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,226325.msg1197562.html#msg1197562)
But a Will has opened up some new avenues, and I would appreciate more help.
The Reverend Dr Thomas FROME (ca 1735-1778) married Theodosia SKINNER, possibly in Wiltshire. I would like to find their marriage if I can.
Theodosia died in 1830, and in her will, she mentions the following beneficiaries:
daughter Catherine FAZAKERLEY (husband's name not known)
daughter Mary Susan FROME (born ca 1777)
daughter Theodosia FROME
daughter Dorothy FROME (born ca 1771)
daughter Jane YOUNG (born ca 1782) (husband Captain John YOUNG)
daughter Eliza Harriet CHURCHILL (born ca 1784) (husband Rev Benjamin CHURCHILL)
She mentions (by name) grandchildren:
Edward FROME
Theodosia FROME
Emily FROME
Georgina FROME
John FAZAKERLEY
Harriet WILKINSON
Can anyone help me to identify when and where Catherine FROME married?
Also, can anyone identify the parents of Edward, Theodosia, Emily and Georgina FROME? I am pretty sure that Theodosia and Emily were living together in St Peter Port Guernsey in 1841; Theodosia was 40 and Emily was 35. They were not born on the Island. So that may give a clue as to when they were baptised - some time around 1801 to 1806.
It would also be helpful to find the maiden name of Harriet WILKINSON, but this a bit like looking for a needle in a haystack as I don't know how old she was in 1830.
Any help would be very gratefully received.
Thanks
Philip Candy
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Hi Phil,
Thomas FROME = Theodisia KINNEIR 5 Dec 1765 Cricklade St Sampson
Marriage Licence Bond
Thomas FROME bachelor age 29 Clerk of Cricklade & Theodisia KINNEIR spinster aged 23 of Cricklade bondsman Richard Kinneir Surgeon of Cricklade St Sampson 3 Dec 1765
Cheers Kris :D
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Hi
I wonder why , on the 1841 census, Theodossia and Emily do not have "E" (for England?) in the POB section? Were they born overseas somewhere?
I have found a Georgana Frome unm, 46 Clergyman's daughter born Gibraltar on the 1851 census. So b c 1805
also on 1851 there is an Edward C Frome, captain Royal engineers, 49 (1802) also born Gibraltar, In 1881 he is a general Royal Engineers aged 79 b Spain.
What do you think?
deb
geezzz Kris we keep following each other ..LOL
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Well that's a great start. I obviously misread Theodosia's maiden name in the Will.
Thanks so much for a very helpful entry.
Kind regards
Phil
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Hi
I wonder why , on the 1841 census, Theodosia and Emily do not have "E" (for England?) in the POB section? Were they born overseas somewhere?
I have found a Georgana Frome unm, 46 Clergyman's daughter born Gibraltar on the 1851 census. So b c 1805
also on 1851 there is an Edward C Frome, captain Royal engineers, 49 (1802) also born Gibraltar, In 1881 he is a general Royal Engineers aged 79 b Spain.
What do you think?
deb
geezzz Kris we keep following each other ..LOL
This is really interesting. I had found a Georgina Frome in St Andrew Plymouth in 1841, and that has Gibraltar next to it as well.
Edward Charles FROME was a Surveyor-General in South Australia's early history. According to his online biography, his father was Rev J T Frome and "orphaned early in his life," which would explain why the parents aren't mentioned in Theodosia's will.
This looks like a promising lead.
Thanks so much.
Best wishes
Philip
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Another snippet: according to the online directory of Church of England Clergy, Reverend John Thomas FROME was ordained in 1795 and only had a short period as a minister, so he could easily have been born around 1768 and died young.
Philip
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Hi Phil
I have just spotted Georgina in 1841 and noted the POB as Gibraltar.
there is a death for Theodosia in 1851 in Hampshire .... wonder if she is yours and what the death cert may reveal?
If Edward's dad was Rev. JT Frome ...that would link in nicely with Georgana Frome in 1851 being a clergyman's daughter.
deb :)
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Hi Phil and Deb,
Still looking but not having a lot of joy - The only birth I have been able to find is Dorothy and that is on the IGI anyway
Gibraltar - They certainly seem to have got about.
I find a couple of possible grandchildren in Guernsey Channel Isles in 1841
HO107/1460/15 Page 21
Petite Marche, Colborne Place
Guernsey
BAYNES George 50 N Army H P
FROME Theosedia 40 N Ind
FROME Emily 35 N Ind
+ 2 Servants
Nothing further on where they were born listed
Cheers Kris :D
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Edward C Frome(49, 1802) had two younger daughters born in South Australia ..
In 1851:
Dora 3 and Eleanor 2 = S Australia
Emily 16 and Marion 15 = Kent
seems to be a big gap in between the children's births
His wife ,Jane , is 37 , b Trewhitt House, Northumberland...I wonder if she is his 2nd wife , which would account for the gap in births.
deb
added ...can't find Emily b c 1806 in 1851 :-\
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Just found this;
Dictionary of Australasian Biography , p 177
Frome, General Edward Charles was a Lieutenant in the Royal Engineers and arrived in South Australia, with a party of Sappers and surveyors in 1836. He succeeded captain Sturt as Surveyor General in Oct 1839 and was also Engineer-in-Chief till 1843. returning to England he became Colonel Commandant Royal Engineers and rose to rank of general in 1877, He died Feb 12th 1890 at age 88. He was formerley Govenor of Guernsey.
deb :)
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On National archives they have a catalogue of Gen Edward Charles Fromes' papers, correspondence and drawings;
deb :)
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Only one event I can spot is South Australia
FROME name unrecorded female 4 May 1847 b place unrecorded dist Ade 1 215 parents Edward Charles FROME and Jane LIGHT
Their arrival is listed
http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/fh/passengerlists/1839Recovery.htm
must be other births not listed in our early records
in Pre Registration I see there is birth unamed Male and Death Susan Augusta listed
apparently married 1833
http://www.adb.online.anu.edu.au/biogs/A010384b.htm
Cheers Kris :D
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Hi kris ...great stuff ..
.just found another will on NA for a Theodosia Frome dated 1851 ...wonder if it's Theodosia , sister of Emily ...
deb
added ... where did Edward C Frome and Jane Light marry ?
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Kris
...according to the Australasian Bio ...he arrived S Aust in 1836.... His eldest daughters were born in Kent (see previous post) ... wonder if we can find their baptisms.
deb
added ...poor Susan Augusta ... :'( did she die en route or after?
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IGI ext
Emily Margaret Frome d/o Edward Charles Frome and Jane
birth; 25 sept 1834
chr; 20 dec 1834 St Mary Magdalene, Woolwich , kent
Jane Marion Eleanor Frome d/o Edward Charles Frome and Jane
birth 7 nov 1835
chr 21 july 1836
Gillingham kent
Susan Augusta Frome d.o Edward Charles Frome and jane
chr 11 Oct 1838
Gillingham Kent
can't find Edward and Jane's marriage :-\
deb
added ...KRIS ...great link for Edward , that you posted... picture and bio ...woohooo
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Hi
I 'googled' General Edward Charles Frome and found a '1868 print Edward Charles Frome & HMS Vigilant' on ebay uk. The price was $20 USD.
Hope this helps
Joy
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Good find , Joy !
Now to find the Fazakerley and Wilkinson lines ..... :-\
deb
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Thanks so much for all these wonderful leads.
It has been very impressive to see this inquiry taking shape. I will pull it all together and put it into my database.
Kind regards
Philip
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Hi Phil and Deb,
<snip>
I find a couple of possible grandchildren in Guernsey Channel Isles in 1841
HO107/1460/15 Page 21
Petite Marche, Colborne Place
Guernsey
BAYNES George 50 N Army H P
FROME Theosedia 40 N Ind
FROME Emily 35 N Ind
+ 2 Servants
Nothing further on where they were born listed
Cheers Kris :D
I found the following information on a site at Cambridge University, so it lends considerable weight to the theory that these are sisters of General Edward Charles Frome. It also provides a marriage to look for: John Thomas FROME to Jane BAYNES.
Kind regards
Philip
General Edward Charles Frome (1802-1890) was Lieutenant Governor of Guernsey, 1869-1874. Frome's mother, Jane, was the daughter of General Alexander Baynes (d. 1804). Captain George Macleod Baynes (d. 1874), R.A., who features in the collection, was presumably a relative of General Frome.
(http://janus.lib.cam.ac.uk/db/node.xsp?id=EAD%2FGBR%2F0115%2FRCMS%2022%2F39)
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Good find Phil but still not finding it :'(
There is a marriage here for Miss Frome to Henry Wilkinson
http://indiafamily.bl.uk/UI/Home.aspx
http://www.search.fibis.org/frontis/bin/index.php
Also a John Thomas Frome mentioned
there is also Eyre Massey Frome (son of Captain Francis Frome, if he connects)
Cheers Kris :D
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This is turning into a really exotic family, isn't it?
I wonder how the Wilkinson bit fits in?
Thanks so much for looking in the Indian records - very interesting dimension to the search.
Phil
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Yes they certainly were everywhere Phil. Very interesting family. Wonder where these marriages took place.
No help with marriage but Jane was mentioned in her fathers Will so may help with her family - certainly looks like George in Guernsey is probably Jane's Brother.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/03q3/
It appears John T and Jane died of Plague in Gibraltar in 1804
Now following this John Thomas mentioned in East India Records (this chap is the only son of Edward Charles and Jane Light)
I see Photo's here
http://members.tripod.com/Glosters/afghinf.htm
http://www.garenewing.co.uk/angloafghanwar/biography/portraits.php
Kris :D
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aha marriage Edward Charles and Jane Light
GRO Chaplains Returns Marriages - 1833 Canada G25
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Thank you so much for these wonderful leads. We now have information about the BAYNES connection, and about the only son of Edward Charles FROME.
The links to books, photos and registers is fantastic; thank you all so much for your help.
Kind regards
Philip
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Good morning all :)
Just found this;
1841
Lymington Hampshire
Woodside
Catherine Fazakerley 70 Ind NOT born in county
with 3 servants who are all born in county
then from National Archives;
Will of Catherine Fazakerley, widow of Woodside near Lymington Hampshire
PROB 11/1979
deb
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Hi Deb
This is really clever, and it certainly fits with the dates for the other family members named in Theodosia's will.
I wonder where Catherine married - was it in Hampshire or in Wiltshire?
In any case, I am getting a great overview of the family now.
Many thanks for all this help.
Kind regards
Philip
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Hi Philip
Hopefully her will , will lead us to her son, John and his family. We may even get clues as to her husband's family. :)
I am having a problem trying to figure out Harriet Wilkinson. If she is the daughter of Miss Frome and Henry Wilkinson who married in 1811, India then I have found a Harriet semima Alexander b c 1819 in India ...her husband is a Lieutenant in The Bengal Army. They have a child born in India aged 5....(1851 census)
I have also found a Harriet Lucker aged 40, b Bombay India who is the widow of rev. J Lucker, chaplain of East India Company. she is with her widowed sister Sophy? Stewart (b Calcutta) who is the widow of Capt Stewart, H E I company
Cannot find a marriage for them .... but trying to think out of the box here. ::)
deb :-\
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Many thanks Deb.
All I can say is that Harriet was alive on 29th March 1824 when her grandmother Theodosia made her will, and that she was described as a granddaughter.
This must mean that Miss Frome, if that is her mother, would have been born after 1865 when Theodosia married, and if she married in 1811, aged say 21, then she must have been born before 1790. However Theodosia's husband, Rev Dr Thomas FROME died in November 1788, so she must have been born between 1765 and 1788 - which of course is plenty of time.
So maybe there was yet another daughter of Thomas and Theodosia FROME - if I can track down their baptisms I could then look for what happened to each one of them.
Kind regards and thanks for 'thinking outside the box.'
Philip
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I'm glad I found this thread. I'm coming at this from the Wilkinson side. Henry John Wilkinson (son of John Wilkinson and Anna Carleton) married Harriet Frome at Chittledroog near Madras, India on 14 Sep 1811. A captain in 13th Madras NI, Wilkinson died 10 May 1819 at Bellary. He may have been born in St.Meckans Parish Dublin in Jan 1782. Harried died at Exmouth in Devon on 28 Jan 1840. I suspect she was a granddaughter of Thomas and Theodosia Frome.
Harriet and Wilkinson had two sons : (1) the Rev. John Wilkinson (1816-1876) rector of Broughton Gifford. And (2) Henry Wilkinson, born 1819, died 1823.
The Rev. John Wilkinson married Jean Prat at Littleham Parish Church, Devon on 11 Jun 1844. They had two sons : (1) Henry Fazakerley Wilkinson (1845-1888 when he died in Bedlam hospital) and (2) the Rev. John Frome Wilkinson (1850-1935). Henry Fazakerley Wilkinson had two surviving daughters who both died unmarried in Hertfordshire in the 1940s, whilst the younger son John Frome Wilkinson had two sons and two daughters. I'm researching them at present.
Hope this helps.