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Research in Other Countries => Europe => Topic started by: Pysie on Friday 27 June 08 18:03 BST (UK)
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I am trying to trace my great-grandfather's roots in Nassau, Germany.
The surname is 'Baker' but I understand this is an anglicised version and I don't know how to find out their original 'German' surname.
There were four brothers who settled in Worthing, Sussex. Their first appearance is in the 1871 census so I assume they arrived in England between 1861 and 1871. Their names are:-
Phillipp Bartholomew Baker b C1847
Johannes (John) Baker (my ggrandfather) b C1851
George Bonifacious Baker b C1853
Christian Baker b C1855
Censuses put their place of birth as Nassau, Germany, although Christian's place of birth is recorded in one census as (possibly) Wilsenroth.
They were all professional musicians.
They were Roman Catholic.
Their father - who probably stayed in Germany - is recorded on Johannes' marriage certificate as Joseph Baker, builder.
All four brothers are recorded in censuses as 'BS' (British subject?).
All except Christian married and died in England. (Christian disappeared from censuses. No death recorded so I assume he returned to Germany.)
Are there any passenger lists which might record the four brothers travelling together? Or how easy is it to obtain naturalization papers, given I don't know which surname to search? Or can I obtain birth details from a church in Wilsenroth?
Since I don't speak German, I'd be grateful for any help anyone can offer.
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Hi Pysie,
You can see some topics on naturalisation here:
Topic: RootsChat Topics - Naturalisation and Internment
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,157691.0.html
which will give you an idea of how to do it, and what you might find.
A baker in german is BÄCKER, but BEEKER is pronounced Baker in german (near enough), or it could have been BECKER or BACKE or other variations.
Nassau is in Hesse - see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hessen-Nassau
No passenger list for Continental Europe to UK, so try the naturalisation "route" first - trying all the variations of BAKER.
good luck,
Bob
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Hi
Looking at the IGI for Germany - their surname may possibly have been Becker or Bekker
If you put in Baker as a surname those are the 2 main options it comes up with. Nothing for your 4 brothers though
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Thanks for the info, Carole and Bob.
How do I seach for naturalization? Can I do it online these days? I can't get to Kew because I care for Mum full time. Johannes was her grandfather and she is desperate to know about her German background.
Thanks in anticipation,
Cathy
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Hi Cathy,
yes you can search online:
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/search.asp?j=1
have a look in the topic I mentioned for more details.
Bob
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Thanks, Bob, I'll let you know how I get on.
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Hi Pysie,
yesterday was "english night" in the german forum chatroom, so I threw "Wilsenroth." into the pot to see if anyone could come with some ideas:
"but wikipedia says today it's part of dornburg "
==> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dornburg_(Hessen)
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"Königreich Preußen / Provinz Hessen-Nassau / Regierungsbezirk Wiesbaden / Landkreis Limburg -
that's from "gemeindeverzeichnis.de"
=> www.gemeindeverzeichnis.de
:
"there's a kinship book for wilsenroth "
"kinship?? "
"ortssippenbuch "
==> http://wiki-en.genealogy.net/FAQ_Local_Heritage_Book
and
==> http://www.v-weiss.de/ofbmeur-w.html
Wilsenroth/065/1982/1679-1800
O.A.: Ortssippenbuch Wilsenroth 1679-1800. o.A. 1982; ST Hessisches HStA Wiesbaden (361, Frickhofen 1-2)
I think this means that it is kept at the Hessisches Hauptstandesamt (Main Registry Office)
So a query to them, when you have a bit more data, might help.
Some Local Heritage Books (Ortssippenbücher OSB, or Orts Familien Bücher - OFB) are online,
http://www.online-ofb.de/index.html but not Wilsenroth :(
regards,
Bob
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Hi,
Probably not the same family, but I'll try throwing this in the mix:-
Naturalisation Papers: Ebbecke, George Louis, from Nassau. Certificate 3772 issued 11 April 1862.
Thanks,
Darin.
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Or there's these ones:-
Naturalisation papers: Backer, John Peter, from Felsberg, Hesse Cassel. Certificate 5233 issued 31 October 1866.
Nationality and Naturalisation: Becker, Johann Peter [known as Peter Baker], from Germany. Certificate A2564 issued 10 April 1878.
Nationality and Naturalisation: Becker, Johann Peter Ignatius, from Germany. Resident in London. Certificate A6842 issued 16 September 1891.
Nationality and Naturalisation: Becker, Philip, from Germany. Resident in Lambeth. Certificate A4182 issued 14 October 1884.
Nationality and Naturalisation: Bechtel, George Christopher, from Germany. Certificate A1669 issued 10 August 1875.
Nationality and Naturalisation: Bechtel, Christian, from Germany. Resident in London. Certificate A3227 issued 13 April 1880.
Nationality and Naturalisation: Becker, Christian Wilhelm, from Germany. Resident in Newport, Mon. Certificate 20613 issued 30 August 1911.
Nationality and Naturalisation: Becker, George Edward, from Germany. Resident in London. Certificate A3667 issued 4 April 1882.
Nationality and Naturalisation: Bakker, Johannes Georg, from Germany. Resident in Ipswich. Certificate 16551 issued 5 January 1907.
Darin.
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Hi,
Me again,
You mentioned that you can't find a death for Christian Becker (Baker).
If the Christian Becker, naturalised in 1911 and living in Newport, Monmouth, is your ancestor, then this is his death detail:-
Deaths Mar qtr 1920
BECKER Christian W (Age) 62 Newport M. 11a 313
Thanks,
Darin.
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Hi, Darin and Bob,
Thanks for all the tips.
Sorry to be a damp squid, Darin, but Christian disappeared completely from all British censuses and BMD records after 1871. I can only assume that, being 'the baby', he went back to Germany. I'm not too worried about his story as it is his brother, Johannes, who is my ancestor. There is no evidence that Christian was Christian 'W' Baker, and certainly no evidence he had any contact with Wales. But who knows????
I checked out 'Ebbecke' on familysearch but it seems there is no obvious connection.
I have searched all the British records over seven years and can discount any similar names of Bakers born in Germany who lived in London or anywhere else outside of Sussex. Sorry, but my brothers are not on your list.
The names of the four brothers are quite specific - as listed in my original message - and, as far as I know, they only ever lived in the Worthing/Brighton area of Sussex. I am sure their address at the time of naturalisation would have been 'Worthing' or 'Sussex'.
Johannes, Phillipp and George all married shortly after their arrival in England and raised families in the Worthing/Brighton area. I can find no other conection with any other part of Britain.
I have trawled throught he websites you sent, Bob, (very frustrating!!!) and I have not found any trace of the brothers. (If only I spoke German!!!)
Wilsenthrop might be a red herring but it is all I have to go on. It is a name of a village in Nassau mentioned just once in a census return by Christian (or Phillipp? - I can't remember which without checking). Of course, if Christian/Phillipp was born in Wisenthrop, there is no guarantee the other brothers were born there, too. But it may be a start so I shall contact the registry and the Catholic church in Dornburg (the RC parich church of Wilsenthriop?).
I had hoped to find the brothers recorded together on a ship or something so I might learn their original German surname. But, whatever. I shall keep searching ..... .
Of course, I suppose it its just possible they were born in Gernamy of British parents with the name Baker ..... ? But even then, I can find no trace.
Thanks for your help,
Cathy
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Bob - for anyone interested in tracing family history in the old Nassau duchy, this link might be of use.
http://www.davidrumsey.com/maps1318.html
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Hi there,
I've looked to see if your brothers could have left their homeland without permission, unfortunately of the 45 pages of "Becker" your family is not yet noted on http://aidaonline.niedersachsen.de/
and perhaps made their way to Denmark - unfortunately they're not on any passenger list:
http://personal.inet.fi/yhdistys/centralin/swe/emi_ref.htm
nor are they on any Norwegian passenger list:-
http://www.norwayheritage.com/
I've looked in the Morman catalogue and searched for keyword "Wilsenroth, but it appears that there's only an Ev. Lutheran film available for Wilsenroth giving births/geburten up to the year 1851. (Evangelische Kirche Wilsenroth (Kr. Limburg). My own ancestors were Catholic, being confirmed in a catholic church but baptised in the nearby Ev. Lutheran church.
However Wilsenroth also appeared as being included in the Catholic church records for Frickhofen (Katholische Kirche Frickhofen (Kr. Limburg)). Unfortunately on the surface the dates only cover the earlier generations and not the generation you're looking for.
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/
When I failed to find film of my Kingdom of Hannover Catholic branch I emailed the Catholic archives and received the information at a cost of £30 Sterling, from that start I could then hire earlier films for a fraction of the cost.
Good Luck,
Rena
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Thanks for trying, everyone. I've had no luck tracing natrulaisation papers, and no luck on the sites you all mentioned.
I think I shall have to contact the Catholic archives, or get a German-speaking friend to help out. I think I remember a web-site which listed the correct offices to contact for Frickhofen RC and Dornburg births. (Familysearch? Rootsweb? Cindy's List?- I'll let you know when I find it again.)
RENA -
I note you have Pye, Munford and Smith in your list of names. So do I!!!Have you seen my names???? Munford is not there - yet - but my daughter recently married a Munford!!!! Which part of the country do your Pyes, Smiths and Munfords come from?
Cathy
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Greetings from Canada.! I am the Great Granddaughter of George Boniface Baker b. Germany 1853 and lived in Worthing, Sussex, England. Wow, have we made a connection here! I'm new at the genealogy business but also made an incredible connection with Phillip Baker's Great Grandson & his family last week. George Baker was a musician & composer (violin & piano) and was married to my Great Grandma Harriet Naomi Grevatt. He died in England in his early 40's and GG H. Naomi came to Canada with her 4 children. According to my new found cousins in England, Christian never married and never left England, living with his Mother, Renee Baker. Phillip had 6-7 children and lived out his life in Worthing. Later in his life, he played piano at the Olympic theatre. All four brothers played in a band called "The Rhine Band" and played at the Worthing bandstand. In fact, I found a reference in Oscar Wilde's writings stating that the Rhine Band brought a bit of culture to Worthing. They were apparently born in the Black Forest area of Germany and according to Renee Baker's notes (she was in her mid 80's at the time of writing), the name was originally BAIKER. I had been on the trail of Beckers but I am confident in this new found information. In the past week, I have received several fabulous pictures of the Baker Boys, one or two I believe containing Johannes (John) Baker. I was so excited when I googled and found this posting that I signed up and didn't read the instructions for beginners, etc. Hope I haven't overstepped any of the boundaries here! Cathy, I am extremely interested in hearing back from you or anyone else on this forum, related to our Baker/Baiker ancestors. Regards from Canada, Ann
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Wow Ann,
Welcome to the fascinating journey of finding your roots and welcome to rootschat.
I was interested to see mention of music as that was what brought my Hannovarian gt grandfather and his extended family to England where they settled amd opened a music school after touring mainland Europe.
Good luck to you and Cathy,
Cheers,
Rena
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Wahoooo!!!! Weyhey!!!!
Hi there, Ann!
I have been trying to trace descendents of Phillipp and George for some ten years without success. I have a full Baker tree from Johannes, George and Phillipp, and I am touch with relations (from Johannes) in England, USA and Canada. This Canadian branch has produced a comprehensive 'Baker Book'.
My computer is on the blink so please excuse any delays in messaging. I have a new one on order and this should be up and running in a week or so.
Yes, the brothers Johannes (John), Phillipp and George were all musicians in Worthing and also played at the Theatre Royal in Brighton. I'm intrigued to learn that Christian lived with his mother, Renee, in England. Does that mean that Joseph and Renee emigrated with their sons from Germany? I have not been able to find a death certificate for Christian.
I have some photos of the brothers, too, which I can send.
If I can work out how to do it, I shall send you a personal message with my email address.
Rena - many thanks for your support and messages of luck. I may not have tracked the Bakers/Baikers back to Nassau, but it looks as though I have found some 3rd cousins!
Best wishes,
Cathy
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Hi Cathy,
I have been researching my family tree, and have found my 2x great grandfather Johann Lassman came over from Nassau, Germany aged 17, and was a profesional musican with 'The Rhine Band'.
He & his fellow musicians resided at 28 Cumberlain Place, Brighton in the 1861 Census and in 1872 he got married and stayed in England.
I am trying to trace information about The Rhine Band, & also Johan Lassman, as I know the band performed in Worthing bandstand and Brigton in the 1860's.
Also I have traced a local book about Worthing, 'A Town's Pride: Victorian Lifeboatmen & their Community' by Rob Blann. and there are several references to the Rhine Band.
I will be buying a copy this week, & would be happy to share any info or photos with you , as I am trying to find any photo's of the band myself.
Stuart
Wahoooo!!!! Weyhey!!!!
Hi there, Ann!
I have been trying to trace descendents of Phillipp and George for some ten years without success. I have a full Baker tree from Johannes, George and Phillipp, and I am touch with relations (from Johannes) in England, USA and Canada. This Canadian branch has produced a comprehensive 'Baker Book'.
My computer is on the blink so please excuse any delays in messaging. I have a new one on order and this should be up and running in a week or so.
Yes, the brothers Johannes (John), Phillipp and George were all musicians in Worthing and also played at the Theatre Royal in Brighton. I'm intrigued to learn that Christian lived with his mother, Renee, in England. Does that mean that Joseph and Renee emigrated with their sons from Germany? I have not been able to find a death certificate for Christian.
I have some photos of the brothers, too, which I can send.
If I can work out how to do it, I shall send you a personal message with my email address.
Rena - many thanks for your support and messages of luck. I may not have tracked the Bakers/Baikers back to Nassau, but it looks as though I have found some 3rd cousins!
Best wishes,
Cathy
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Hi, Stuart,
Following the messages here, there are now eight descendents of the Baker brothers who are corresponding and sharing information by private group email. I know Johann Lassman was not a Baker, but he was a member of the Rhine Band and must have known the brothers really well. There were quite a few German musicians living in south Sussex at the time and I am sure they all knew each other.
Did your Johann come from Nassau? We have been trying to trace the Baker family back to their German roots and wonder whether there might have been a mass exodus of musicians from some music school when the Prussian war began.
We have a photo of the Rhine Band members which we can share with you. You may be able to pick out your Johann.
Can you please send me a personal message and I will let you have my email address. (Click on my name and then click 'send a personal message'.) I am sure the other 'Bakers' would be happy for you to be included in our group.
I was going to buy a copy of 'A Town's Pride' but I was told there was no real information about the Rhine Band in it. Do let me know if it is worth purchasing.
Look forward to hearing from you. Best wishes,
Cathy
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I've looked in "Die Wandermusikanten von Salzgitter" book by Alfred Diek, to see if Lassman(n) or Baker/Becker are indexed but unfortunately not. The book only mentions Salzgitter because of the annual music fest; most of it records a group of musicians travelling the world and meeting up with other musicians.
Good luck,
Rena
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Dear Pysie,
By chance i have found this website, having asked 'Google' for help in searching B.M.D in Germany. Your message from June 2008 leapt out at me because I, too, am researching the Baker family.
It appears to be the same family as yours. Phillip, born1847 Nassau, is the GT Grandfather of my son-in-law (on whose behalf I am doing the research) Family talk says that the brothers formed a band,
So you and he, have now found other family members. Isn't it exciting?
I am in need of finding their Roots in Germany, I am not asking you to share this info unless you feel happy to do so, but a direction to a source of information would be very helpful for me to follow up. If you would like to make personal contact I will suggest this to my son-in-law
He lives in Hampshire.
Best wishes
nairobi
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Hello Cathy,
I am also researching a Baker family member from Nassau. He is John Henry Baker b.1832, emigrated to Australia ca 1854. He went by the name of Henry. A little earlier than the Bakers mentioned here, but nevertheless there is a possible connection through his birthplace in Nassau. This is given as his birthplace on his marriage record in Armidale NSW. Unfortunately, he wasn't a professional musician.
Has the been any advance in your research into the origins of your family in Gemany? Does it show any connection to a (Johan) Heinrich? I am particularly interested in the spelling of the original surname of your Bakers, as it may give a clue in tracking down emigration/immigration records.
Best wishes,
Matthew
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Pysie/Cathy/Ann et al, Nairobi (my mother-in-law) has suggested I join this site and make contact as I am descended from Philipp Baker. She was doing some research for me and suggested it would make sense for me to make proper contact.
As far as we can tell Philipp had a son (also) called Philip, who had a son - Guy Christian Baker, who had a daughter Iris Valerie Louise Baker who was my mum! There are numerous additional brothers and sisters who I won't list now but would be very keen to find out from you what you know of the family and would be keen to help you fill in any of the gaps from my side.
Let me know the best way to make contact?
Regards from Hampshire,
Neil
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Hi, everyone!
How wonderful! Lots of new relations!
Ann and I are in touch with other descendents of Johannes, Phillip and George. We have loads of information and photos. Although we haven't yet traced the Bakers back in Germany. we have a few leads.
I have my grandson staying at the moment so will reply more fully next week and let you have my email address.
Best wishes to all,
Cathy (Norfolk UK)
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Hi, Nairobi, Matthew and Neil, (and Ann, Rena and anyone else!),
Sorry it has taken me so long to get back to you but it is great to know there are other Baker decendents around. I hope we shall be able to compare notes and build up a comprehensive family tree, and to trace the tree back into Germany.
I must admit I have not done much resarch this year. I have some thoughts about tracing baptismal/marriage/death certificates but the relevant information is not on-line and I can't find anyone who speaks fluent German and who would be willing to write a few letters on our behalf for a modest charge. Professional researchers are so expensive. I shall make it a halloween resolution to crack the German link!
As mentioned, Ann and I are in touch by email with ten other decendents from the 'original' Baker brothers (Phillipp, George and Johannes). They in turn are in touch with many other decendents. One of our relations has written a book about decendents of Joseph (a son of Johannes) who settled in Canada. There are hundreds of Bakers in Canada and the USA now!!! It is hoped we might be able to gather enough information to publish a similar book about the other Bakers. Also, we have several old photos including one of the brothers and their wives and one of the Rhine Band which, I am sure, the owners would be prepared to share with you.
Please can you email me direct at (*) and I shall give you more information and put you in touch with the other Bakers. Although we haven't had much contact with each other over the past year, we normally email the whole 'family' with any information so we all know what is going on.
(This message keeps going off the page so I shall sign off now and post another message.)
Cathy
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Hi, again, folks,
Matthew - it would be lovely to think we had a link. Who knows? Perhaps your John was our Joseph's brother? Unless we can find BMD/census information in Nassau and passenger lists to confirm it, we can never be sure.
I think we have two problems. One is that we don't know the original spelling of Baker (Becker, Baaker?). At the last count there were 28 possible spellings. The other problem is that Nassau was a principality - like Luxumbourg - and covered a vast area. Immigrants from Germany to Britain, and possibly to other countries, often put 'Nassau' as a birthplace on their census forms because they knew they would be accepted as refugees. A quick look at the British censuses will show how many 'Bakers' were born in Nassau!
Anyway, lets hope ...... .
Regards to all. Hope to hear from you soon
Cathy
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Cathy, thanks for your reply - unfortunately the Rootschat system has removed your e-mail address!! So what is the best way to make contact?
We are also pretty close to Worthing so if there's any research you need doing over there please let me know, we'd be happy to help?
Likewsie we are struggling with the link back to Germany nad have also trawled through passenger lists. I'm thinking the best bet may be to head over to Nassau for a week with someone who speaks German!
Neil
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Hi Neil,
Welcome to RootsChat :)
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Bob
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Hello Every one. I too am related to Johannes Baker and my brother is in contact with you Ann.
Just thought it was very interesting that I am also in Hampshire although I was born in Blyth, Northumberland.
I am also a violinist and play the piano. Not as good as the Rhine Band but its nice to know where the musicality came from.
I would love to find some evidence of them playing for the royals. The nearest I've been is sleeping outside the night before Charles and Diana's wedding and watching them ride past at a rate of knots after the wedding!
;)
;D
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Hi, DDuck,
I tried to send you a 'personal message' but, appartently, I am not allowed to do so until you have posted 3 times!!!
I am in touch with several descendents of the Baker brothers and thought you might like to join the clan, as it were. To this end I was trying to send you my email address - something that can only be done in a personal message and not on the boards.
If you want to get in touch, please post 2 more messages - they need only say 'hello'! Alternatively, you could try and send a personal message to me but I don't know if you would be allowed. (Just click on my name and then on 'send personal message'.) Either way, your own personal email address and identity will NOT be disclosed.
Kind regards,
Pysie
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We have just got some information from the records people at Bistum Limburg who look after the records for Wilsenroth.
We have ten documents dating back to 1797 as follows: (The surname is consistently spelt Backer (with an umlaut over the a)).
Four birth entries for the "boys" (Philip Bartholomew b1846, Johannes b1849, George Boniface b1852 and Christian Otto b1855)
Marriage entry for their parents in 1845 (Joseph Backer and Anna Katherina Hess)
Entry for Joesph's death in 1875
Entry for Anna Katherina's death in 1889
Birth entry for Joseph Backer in 1818 (showing parents as Joesph Backer (yes another one!) and Anna Katherina (and another one!) Jung)
Birth entry for Anna Katherina Hess also in 1819 (showing parents as Johannes and Anna Maria Hess)
Marriage entry in 1797 for Joseph Backer and Anna Katherina Jung (not sure about this one as it's very had to read)
We are busily trying to glean some more information from them (my German is not great!). If anyone wants more info please let me know?
Neil
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Greetings from America! I am the 3x great granddaughter of Philipp Baker, and I was very excited to find this thread about him and his brothers! I've been trying to discover more about his family and his connection with the Rhine Band in Worthing, England. His daughter May Emily Baker married Ernest Hemming, and their two sons (my great grandfather) were born in the States. Unfortunately, my great grandfather was orphaned at age 13, so we don't know much about the family history. We are all musicians, and would love to learn more about the family.
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Silverwing, wow, someone else who is descended from Philipp!! Well done for tracking him down if your great grandfather was orphaned. Philipp had several offspring, one of which was also a Philip - which is where my line comes from (I tried to attached a photo of Philip jnr but the system said it is too big!). I have their birth and death certificates if you are interested, which we got from Germany with the help of my wife's mum.
I also have a photo of the Worthing bandstand where they originally played but again the system says it's too big a file!
Let me know more about you lot, and how best you share the documents I have?
Regards,
Neil (Cowie)
My mum (Iris) was a Baker - Guy's daughter.
P.S. We also have the musical genes running through our veins!
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Hi Neil!
This is very exciting! We don't know too much about my grandmother's (Philipp's great granddaughter) side of the family, but my mom tells me my great grandfather (Raymond) always talked about how his mother (May Emily) was a singer and that her father (Philipp Baker) was a conductor of a musical ensemble. Raymond thought it was of an orchestra, but perhaps it was the Rhine Band? We were told by Raymond that his mother (May Emily) had two brothers, Philipp and Chris, and one sister, Rene. There's an old family story about Raymond working his way across the Atlantic on a freighter in the early 1900s to try and find family relatives since he had been orphaned so young. He did meet his aunt Rene. My mom remembers how proud he was to tell the story.
As for the pictures, I would love to see them! I'll have to get back to you on how though, because I'm not entirely sure how to send files that big.
Best Regards,
Annelise
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Annelise, hopefully I can help out with your grandmother's side of things. Philip(p) snr (born in Wilsenroth) came over from Germany in the late 1860's with his three brothers and played in Worthing as the Rhine Band. There are number of references to them on Google. Otto apparently returned at the outbreak of WWI but the others stayed as they were married to
Philip jnr (son of Philip(p) snr) was my great grandad and (looks like) May Emily's brother. It's weird that the names keep recurring as Philip (jnr) named one of his daughters Rene (my grandad Guy's sister) and my grandad (Guy) called one of his son's Raymond. I am going to have to draw it out in a chart as it's going to get confusing otherwise! We have a picture of Philip (jnr)' s wedding so I assume your Grandmother must be in the pic somewhere. And we also have a pic of the three original brothers and their wives (two of whom were sisters!) which we can share.
If you pm me I will give you my e-mail address.
Regards,
Neil
P.S. Which bit the USA are you from as apparently Johannes/Georges descendants have a book published about their bit of the family (who are also in the USA)?
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Hi Neil,
I hope you and your family are well. I private messaged you a few days ago, and I was just wondering if you were able to access it. The site never gave me a confirmation that it sent, so I hope that it went through.
Best Regards,
Annelise
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You can find info in the online archive of Hessen:
https://www.arcinsys.hessen.de/arcinsys/detailAction.action?detailid=v6545834&icomefrom=search
Laufzeit 1854
Aktenart Nachlassakte
Personenname Bäcker, Johann
Wohnort Wilsenroth
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verz6545826
Signatur: HHStAW, 225, 1002/4
Beschreibungsmodell: Fallakte (allgemein)
Laufzeit: 1861
Aktenart: Nachlassakte
Personenname: Bäcker, Anne Catharine geb. Horn
Wohnort: Wilsenroth
Biografische Angaben: Witwe des Georg Bäcker
The original documents can be ordered.
Regards,
Peter
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And:
https://www.arcinsys.hessen.de/arcinsys/detailAction.action?detailid=v3147791
The third document starts with: Ich, Gerhart Becker vom Rosentail, er datiert von 1493 Juli 22 ('in die Marie Magdalene'), Reinhart dem Bäcker bleibt die Ablösung des Pfandes mit gleicher Summe auf Cathedra Petri vorbehalten; diesem sollen sie auch den Zehnten von dem Stück lassen. Datierung 1525 März 28 Originaldatierung am Dienstag nach dem Sonntag Lätare 1525.
Me, Gerhart Becker vom Rosentail, dated 1493 July 22 ('into Marie Magdalene'), Reinhart the Baker reserves the replacement of the pledge with the same amount on Cathedra Petri; they should also let tithes from this piece. Dated 1525 March 28 Original Dating on Tuesday after Sunday Lätare 1525
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Laufzeit 1839 Aktenart Vermögensinventarisation bei Wiederverheiratung
Angaben zur Person
Personenname Becker, Anna Catharina geb. Türk
Wohnort Wilsenroth
Biografische Angaben Witwe des Johann Georg Becker
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Search next to Wilsenroth also on Frickhofen, Dorndorf und Dorchheim. These are close by towns.
All the Catholic church registers are to be found in "Kirchspiels Frickhofen" (the area under the bells of the church in Frickhofen)
Ortssippenbuch des Kirchspiels Frickhofen: with the towns Frickhofen as vicarage, Dorndorf, Wilsenroth, Longendernbach, Mühlbach, Waldmannshausen and Dorchheim ; from the Churchbooks
1679-1800
Most of the registered names are based on phonetics: Bäker, Bäkker, Becker etc.