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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Flintshire => Topic started by: Barbara.H on Saturday 28 June 08 15:20 BST (UK)
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I have found a marriage on the IGI that would fit for my 3x gt-grandfather, Peter Poole. It is an individual submission, so does not record where this information came from. Could some kind soul check it out for me please? :)
Peter POOLE m Hester (Esther on 1841 census) OWEN, 21 Sept 1805, Llanasa.
Peter was a lead miner, born c.1784. The family are on the 1841 and 1851 census living in the Graig/Gop area.
I have had a look at the list of transcriptions on the Clwyd FHS website, but I'm not sure which ones I would need to cover this area - Llanasa or Trelawnyd?
This is my first foray into Flintshire genealogy. any guidance would be welcome.
:) Barbara
PS I have just found their daughter Jane's baptism on IGI. The rather confusing church reference for the baptism is "The Old Or John Wynnes Chapel-Presbyterian Or Indenewmark, Newmarket, Flint, Wales" - hope that helps
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Barbara it seems the couple married in the Llanasa Parish,but it seems their children were given Non Conformist Baptisms.The Chapel that you mention is in the Newmarket/Trelawnyd Parish,however Clwyd FHS has produced a CD of the Non Conformist Baptisms in Flintshire called the Cocking Index,and it is this which will give further details of the Chapel you mention.
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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Thank you William, I will follow that up.
One more query regarding the Poole family's address on the 1841/1851 census; on both census records their recorded address is 'Mountain'. On the 1841 census this lies apparently between 'Rose Hill' and 'Purgatory', both of which I found on the Old Maps site on an 1872 map. They are to the east of Newmarket, near Marian.
There was a 'Moelfryn' on the map, but not 'Mountain' Could they be the same place? A Welsh dictionary tells me that Moelfryn means 'bald hill.'
Thanks again
:) Barbara
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Hello Barbara. Llanasa parish records. Marriage Sep 21 1805.
Peter Poole. abode, Gwaynyscor. Bachelor.
Hester Owens. of this parish. Spinster.
Witnesses. Sarah Poole. & Robert Roberts.
Baptism.
born 15, baptised 17 1784. Ester Owens. D/O William & Ann. abode, Trelogan.
I couldn't see a baptism for Peter or any of their children.
Gwaenysgor Parish. Marriage. Nov 14 1807.
John Jones. o.t.p.
Sarah Pool. o.t.p.
Witnesses Peter Pool & Thos Wynne.
Again I couldn't see baptisms for any little Pools ::)
Paul.
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Oh Paul, thank you thank you ! :D :D
As William said, it looks as if the little Pools (puddles? ;D) were baptised at the Nonconformist chapel. But its a huge help to have the mariage record.
In case anyone else comes to this thread looking for Pool/Pooles; Peter Poole's daughter Jane goes to Manchester in the 1840s and marries a Peter Roberts from Ruthin. Makes me wonder if Peter Poole was born in Denbighshire also..
Thanks again,
:) Barbara
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Hello, my name is Mary and I am also researching these people! I too am related to them....please tell me how you are related and any information you know about them. I have most of their childrens dob etc.
Thanks! Mary
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Hi Mary welcome to Rootschat :D :D :D
Jane Poole is my 3x gt-grandmother. She moved to Manchester and married William Roberts of Ruthin at Manchester Cathedral, 7/3/1842. (I put Peter Roberts on last thread - my typing mistake, she married William)
Jane and William had 4 children between 1842 and 1848, including my 2x t-grandmother Puah Roberts. Do a rootschat search for Puah Roberts on the Lancashire board and you will find a thread where I was asking for help finding her in 1851.
Jane Poole dies around 1849. William marries again around 1853 to another Jane and has 4 more children with her. William dies around 1870.
I'll send you a PM.
:) Barbara
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Barbara,
Thanks for the reply! How interesting! I have been trying to find out if Peter Poole and Hester Owens are my 4x great grandparents. My 2x great grandfather Christopher Roberts is listed as living with Peter & Hester in the 1851 census, Christopher and his brothers are listed as nephews to Peter & Hester, however I wonder if they are really his grandparents. Christopher's parents were John Roberts & Anne Poole Roberts. After Anne's death in 1841, the children were scattered at a very young age. I do not know who Anne's parents are. I thought they were Peter Poole & Hester but I have found birth records for all of their children and Anne is not mentioned. Anne was born about 1807. Peter Poole is listed as the informant to the registrar's office of Anne's death in 1841 this further thickens the plot. Anne named her 2nd son Peter and her only daughter Jane. Do you know anything about Peter & Hester's other children? Do you have any other information about Peter or Hester?
Wonderful to meet you!
Mary
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Wow, that's a knotty one! ;D ;D
I thought the Pooles and Robertses must be interrelated more than once.
All I know about Peter and Hester Poole is what has come to light so far on this thread ??? But from a newcomer's point of view, it looks to me as if your Christopher's mother, Anne Poole Roberts, is the sister of William Poole (husband of Hester). So Christopher would be Peter and Hester Poole's nephew.
For children of Peter Poole and Hester Owens, I found on IGI:
JANE christened 17 Aug 1815 The Old Or John Wynnes Chapel (that's my Jane)
MARIA chr. 20 Nov 1818 The Old Or John Wynnes Chapel
then to Peter Poole and "Ester Jones" - is this the same person?
PETER chr. 11 Jul 1821 Tre Logan Calvinistic Methodist, Llanasa
ELIZABETH chr. 09 Mar 1824 Tre Logan Calvinistic Methodist, Llanasa
Maria, Peter and Elizabeth are all with Peter and Hester at Graig in 1841; Jane, the oldest has gone into service in Manchester
And talking of thickening plots
According to Pauls post last week, one of Peter and Hester Poole's marriage witnesses was Robert Roberts. My William Roberts (that married Jane Poole in Manchester) put Robert Roberts down as his father on his marriage cert...
I'll have to draw a diagram for this lot!
:) Barbara
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I have researched the bishop's transcripts for Newmarket and have found what I think are all of Peter & Hester's children (minus Anne).
Hugh Poole (born Jan. 7, 1808/chr. Jan. 8, 1808 @ Newmarket)
Elizabeth Poole (born Apr. 9, 1810/chr. Apr. 12, 1810 @ Newmarket)
Hester Poole (born Oct. 24, 1811/chr. Oct. 25, 1811 @ Newmarket)
David Poole (born Feb. 10, 1812/chr. Feb. 16, 1812 @ Newmarket)
Jane Poole (born July 30, 1815/chr. Aug. 17, 1815 @Newmarket)
Maria Poole (born Nov. 8, 1818/chr. Nov. 30, 1818 @ Newmarket)
The dates must be off for Hester & David because that would put them at 4 months apart...obliviously that's not right. I have an actual copy of the bishop's transcript for both Jane and Maria's birth that I would be glad to send you.
Mary
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Also,
I am not sure what to make of Peter Poole & Hester Owens as well as Peter Poole and Esther Jones. My guess is that they are 2 different couples. Peter Poole & Hester Jones had 2 children that I am aware of:
Peter Poole (born 18 Jun 1821/chr. 11 Jul 1821 @ TreLogan Calvinistic Methodist Church)
Elizabeth Poole (born 21 Feb 1824/chr. 9 Mar 1824 @ TreLogan Calvinistic Methodist Church)
I don't think they are the same couples because Peter & Hester already had a daughter named Elizabeth, also Peter & Hester had their children baptized in a Presbyterian Church at Newmarket, while the other Peter's children were baptized into the Calvinistic Methodist.
However, who knows, I could be wrong. In the 1841 census it lists Peter & Hester with Peter & Elizabeth (who would be the ages given according to their birth years mentioned above) it also lists Benjamin Roberts the oldest sibling of my Christopher Roberts.
Confusing...there are too many Peter Pooles!
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Not sure whether this will get to you as I;ve only just signed up to be a member - I'm trying to trace a John Poole who's Father was Peter Poole. I have determined from the 1871 Census that John was born in Newmarket - his age on the census was 61 in 1871 and I know from his marriage certificate that his Father was called Peter - can you help.
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Welcome to rootschat Llessur! :D :D
What occupation does your Peter Poole have on the marriage certificate? My Peter Poole (father of Jane, who ended up in Manchester) was a lead miner. As you can see from this thread, we have several Peters but not enough Johns ... ::)
I've just looked on the census - is your John Poole the one in Durham in 1871?
Barbara
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Barbara,
Thanks for the prompt response - yes, John Poole is the one in the Northeast, married to Ellen Poole (Nee Carr). On their marriage certificate in 1854, Peter's occupation was a farmer.
As I say, that is all the information I have on Peter. I believe John was born circa 1810 in Newmarket but have been unable to find him on the 1841, 1851 or 1861 census - likewise Peter.
Best Regards.
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llessur,
I do know of a couple of John Pools but I am not sure that they are who you are looking for. I found a John Pool in the 1841 census in Whitford parish. In 1841 he is 30 and a lead ore miner. However he is married to a Charlotte Pool, age 30. They have 3 children, Jane 8, Joseph 6, and Elizabeth 2. Is it possible that Charlotte could have died and maybe Ellen was a 2nd wife? Just a thought. Another thought I had is that maybe your John and my Anne are siblings (Anne was born apx. 1807). I have searched everywhere for Anne's birth record and also for her parents names but am unable to find them. I too think that a man named Peter Poole was her father because on Anne's death certificate in 1841 it lists a Peter Poole from Newmarket as present at her death and the informant to the registrar. I have Peter Poole's signature on the death notice. Did your Peter Poole sign the marriage certificate? We could compare handwritings to see if it is the same Peter.
Best Wishes, MaryJC
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Mary,
Thanks ever so much for your reply - we may indeed be related!
When John Poole married in 1854 in Hallam, Sheffield his occupation was a Miner and he was a Widower - Ellen was his second wife. I have found him on the 1871 census where his age was 61, so he was born circa 1810. Having said that, when he married in 1854, he put his age down as 37. This could have been because Ellen at the time was 26 and therefore he lied about his age. I cannot find him, ellen or his children on any othe Census return before 1871 - I can find Ellen Poole with some of her children on the 1881 Census but not John - presumably he died before 1881.
I don't have Peter's signature on John's wedding certificate - the only information I have about Peter is that he put his occupation as a farmer.
Any further information you have on the Poole's would be greatly received.
Best Regards.
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llessur,
I was so glad to get your reply! How interesting! My best guess is that your John Poole is the one that I have found in the 1841 census. The parish he is living in is Whitford, the hundred is Coleshill, and the township is Uwch Glanisa or Glan Isa (I couldn't quite tell). On the 1841 census it says that John is a miner and that John, Charlotte, and their 3 children were all born in the county (Flintshire). Again it lists his age as 30 in 1841 (they often rounded in the 41 census I have discovered). I did find some marriage information for John and Charlotte. They were married June 16, 1832 I think in Newmarket but I can't remember and forgot to write it down. John it said was born in Newmarket and Charlotte was born in Whitford (this would explain why he lived in Whitford at the 1841 census). I did find more children of theirs also. They are as follows:
Jane, born 24 Sept 1832 @ Whitford
Joseph, born 11 Oct 1834 @ Llanasa OR Intogmn
Elizabeth, born 17 Sept 1838 @ Whitford
Easter, christened 4 Dec 1842 @ Whitford
Sarah, christened 5 Apr 1846 @ Whitford
Mary Ann, born OR christened 4 Sept 1849 @ Whitford
Do you know if any of these children are listed as your John Poole's children?
The other John Poole that I know of is a John Poole of Gwaenyspar who married Elizabeth. The only thing that I know about this couple is that they had a son named Joshua, baptized 29 Oct 1797, and a daughter named Jane, baptized 2 Jun 1803. I am sure this couple had more children either before Joshua or after Jane but I have not been able to find them. I think that this John is a brother to Peter Poole (mentioned in the past posts) because he is also from Gwaenyspar. My best guess is that my Anne Poole and your John Poole are either John and Elizabeth's children or Peter and Hester's. I have a hunch that your John and my Anne are siblings, if not then first cousins. Anne Poole married John Roberts 15 Dec 1827 at Newmarket. One of their sons Christopher Roberts is my 2x great-grandfather. Since his mother died when he was very young he and the brothers were sent to live with Peter Poole and Hester. Christopher is listed as living with them during the 1851 census along with 2 of his brothers. The problem is that they are listed as nephews to Peter Poole. I don't know if they are really nephews (which means that John & Elizabeth could be their grandparents) or if they are really grandchildren. Christopher immigrated to America when he was in his early 20s and from all accounts that I know of he does not say who his grandparents are on either side of his family line. So, this is my dilemma, to find Anne's birth record and to find out who her parents really are. One other side note: there is a Sarah Jones (formerly Poole) and a Robert Roberts who witnessed the marriage of Anne Poole to John Roberts. The witnesses to Peter Poole and Hester Owens marriage were listed as Robert Roberts and Sarah Poole (not yet married). I think that Sarah is a sister to Peter Poole and John Poole and an aunt to Anne. As far as the Robert Roberts is concerned I am not sure what to make of that!
Sincerely,
Mary
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Mary,
Once again, many thanks for the information. Have you been able to find John Poole and his children anywhere on the 1861 census (assuming Charlotte did die before 1854 the year John married Ellen Carr in Hallam, Shefield).
I can find them all living in Whitford on the 1851 Census - do you have the full details of this? If so, could you please let me have?
Do you know where Peter Poole was living in 1841 or any other information about Peter Poole.
Best Regards,
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llessur,
In the 1851 census it lists living in the parish of Whitford, township of Uwch Glan:
Living at the "Golch"
John Pool, age 42, miner, born at Newmarket
Charlotte Pool, age 41, born at Whitford
Joseph Pool, age 16, miner, born at Whitford
Elizabeth Pool, age 12, general servant, born at Whitford
Jane Pool, age 18, general servant, born at Whitford
Easter Pool, age 8, born at Whitford
Sarah Pool, age 5, born at Whitford
It looks like the baby Mary Ann born in 1849 died. I looked in the 1861 Wales and England census and could not find John or Ellen. I think I did find John's daughter Sarah in the 1861 census.
Living at Durham, Coxhoe is a Sarah Poole, servant, age 15, born in Wales, Holywell (I am not certain but I think Whitford is somehow associated with Holywell). As far as Peter Poole is concerned. The one who is married to Hester (Esther) Owens is living at Newmarket, Graig on "the mountain" in the 1841 census. He is listed as a lead miner and is 57 years old. His wife is also 57 years old. He is living in the same location in 1851 and is said to be 69 years old along with his wife and he is a lead ore miner. I am unable to track him down in any later census records so my guess is that before 1861 both he and Hester died. Also, on his marriage record mentioned in earlier posts, he is listed as a bachelor from Gwaenyspar. This is all that I really know about him. I hope this information in helpful. How is it that you are related to John Poole? Does your line come from Charlotte or Ellen? I would love to know any further information you have about John Poole and his descendants.
Sincerely,
Mary
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Mary,
Once again - many thanks. My wife is a Poole - Father George Poole; his Father was called Robert Henry Poole; his Father was John Joseph Poole; his Father was John Poole and his Father was Peter Poole.
I have a lot of census information on the Poole's which I would be more than happy to send you.
Have the birth, marriage and death details of John Joseph Poole but have struggled somewhat with John Poole and Peter Poole.
Went to Newmarket recently and thought I had found Peter Poole in the Parish records (this Peter was married to Hester which you already know) but could not find the birth record of John Poole - I am not convinced that Peter and Hester Poole are his parents - I think there is another Peter Poole....
Would be more than happy to send you all the information I have on the Poole's as you have been so helpful.
By the way my name is Russell (lessur - backwards!)
Regards,
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Hello fellow Poole researchers!
I have some wonderful news to share with all of you! This past week I went to the geneology library and I made some great discoveries! I found Peter Poole's birth record along with most of his siblings and the names of his parents. The information is as follows:
John Pool (of Whitford parish) married Elizabeth Roberts (of Dyserth parish)
5 Aug 1781 @ Dyserth ..... these are Peter Poole's parents
children I have found so far:
John Pool, born: 9 May 1782 @ Dyserth/died: 12 May 1782 @ Dyserth
Peter Pool, born: 20 Nov 1783 @ Dyserth/baptized: 23 Nov 1783 @ Dyserth
Sarah Pool, born: 23 Oct 1786 @ Dyserth/baptized: 29 Oct 1786 @ Dyserth
John Pool, born: 4 Nov 1790 @ Dyserth/baptized: 7 Nov 1790 @ Dyserth/buried: 5 May 1833 @ Newmarket
Robert Pool, born: 13 Nov 1794 @ Dyserth/baptized 15 Nov 1794 @ Dyserth/died: 19 Jan 1798 @ Gwaenysgor
Joshua Pool, baptized: 29 Oct 1797 @ Gwaenysgor
Jane Pool, baptized: 2 Jun 1803
The family is listed as living at Trecastell, Dyserth parish. The father John Pool's occupation when Peter was born was listed as a farmer, however, when the other's were born he was listed as a miner. John Pool, the son of John and Elizabeth was also listed as a miner when he died in 1833. I have some more information on Sarah Pool's husband and her children as well as Joshua Pool's wife and his children if any of you want that also.
MaryJC
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Mary,
Many thanks for the update - having drawn a blank for the best part of 10 years looking into the Poole family, within a matter of a few weeks you have provided me with loads of information about them.
My worry is - is the Peter Pool that you have found the father of the John Poole that I know is definately related to my wife's side as I have been unable to find any christening record for John Poole - all I know about him is that he said on the 1861 Census that he was born in Newmarket (Trelawnyd).
Is there anyone out there can can help?
Regards
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Hello again Mary and Russell
I was on a (very wet) holiday in Scotland when your last few posts went in, so I'm only just catchng up - great finds there Mary, well done! :D :D :D
Looks like the John Pool of Dyserth and his son Peter are 'my' Pooles, so I'm happy! Now all we need to do is find Russell's John Poole ..
If I remember, there does appear to be another Peter Poole - if you rewind about halfway down this thread, we found children of 'Peter Poole and Ester Jones' on IGI, baptised at the Methodist church in Llanasa. I thought Ester Jones and Hester Owen might be the same person, but it seems unlikely now. Could this be the Peter we're after?
I'm going to start another thread relating to the Roberts family in Manchester, who have guest appearances in this one! It will get too confusing if I put them here ;D
Link to the Roberts post - http://www.rootschat.com/links/04aj/
:) Barbara
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I think your Hester Owen could be the sister of my Jane Owen do you have anything else on the family? Jane married Samuel Griffith in Llanasa my 4xgt Grandfather.
Thanks.
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Hi xantippe, welcome to the thread :D
I have to read the whole thing again and draw diagrams every time I come back to this lot! ;D
If you scroll back to reply 3, Paul found us a marriage for Hester Owen to Peter Poole, and a baptism for Hester as follows:
Llanasa parish records. Marriage Sep 21 1805.
Peter Poole. abode, Gwaynyscor. Bachelor.
Hester Owens. of this parish. Spinster.
Witnesses. Sarah Poole. & Robert Roberts.
Baptism.
born 15, baptised 17 1784. Ester Owens. D/O William & Ann. abode, Trelogan.
So we have parents names William Owen(s) and Ann, and location Trelogan, but nothing more as the thread then moved on to all those Pooles and Robertses!
I haven't followed up this line for some time, but I see that there are individual submissions on IGI for two possible marriages;
William Owens to Ann Jones, 10 Jan 1784, Trelawnyd
William Owens to Ann Billance, 26 Jan 1788, Llanasa Parish Church
The Ann Jones marriage fits best with Ester's birth (just noticed we don't have a month for the birth there)
I will buy the CDs from the Clwyd FHS as soon as I can afford, but I've blown my budget on the 1911 census this month, so it will be a couple of weeks yet! ::)
Best wishes
:) Barbara
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Thanks Barbara,
The problem with having so many relatives with the same names as people they aren't closely related to is getting tangled up with the wrong line. All the places are a stones throw from each other and all of my people in that line lived in all three. I have something to work on though. The same names keep cropping up so the gene pool there was getting a little muddied I think.
I didn't know I could buy CD's from the Clwyd FHS. I might do that depends how much they are. I still have some records to get from the 1911 census and no credits left! Oh well egg and chips for dinner ;D
Kris
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Hi Kris,
http://www.clwydfhs.org.uk/ for the various publications. I've just noticed, much cheaper on microfiche if you can get access to a reader (could upgrade to sausage and chips then ;D or 2 eggs if youre veggie)
The Non-conformist registers look useful for baptisms (the 'Cocking Index' as William mentioned in reply 2 of this thread) but for the parish churches, as you say very confusing with the different ones.
:) Barbara
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Hi Barbara,
I will have to get the Non-conformist register as I know they were Chapel and not Church at least from my Grandmother onwards. I will be able to read a CD better than the Microfiche. I live in France and have no idea what Microfiche reader is in French so not much chance of finding one. :(.
Back to one egg :)
Kris
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Hi Barbara, I noticed I didn't put the month of Ester Owens birth & baptism ::) so I had another look :-[ It's February :)
I couldn't see anyother baptisms for children of William & Ann Owens.
As for the marriages it could be both :-\
The first William( Occ, Taylor) to Ann Jones Jan 10 1784.
The second William to Ann Billance Jan 26 1788. William is a widower.
July 18 1786. Ann Owens of Trelogan was buried.
W.R. has nonconformist records :) I'm sure when he sees this he'll do you a look-up.
Paul.
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My Jane seems to be too old to be a sister of Hester, but she could be a sister of William. All I have is that she and Samuel Griffiths had a son John Griffiths in 1799. It is assumed she was born prior to 1780 in Llanasa.
As I said I can't find anything on her or her marriage to Samuel Griffiths. I would have thought they would have been married in the Parish Church.
Kris
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Hello Barbara, Kris. Llanasa marriage Feb 5 1791.
Samuel Griffith(x) bachelor. of this parish.
Jane Owens(x) spinster. of this parish.
Witnesses. Edwd Griffith & John Barker.
(x)=did not sign made mark.
Two might be baptisms for Jane Owens.
May 11 1766. Jane Owens d/o Edward & Lucy. abode Gronant.
Aug 29 1762. Jane Owens d/o William & Mary. abode Picton.
Baptisms for children of Samuel & Jane Griffith. abode, Axton.
Dec 11 1791. Sarah.
Dec 25 1793. Edward.
March 31 1799. JOHN.
March 21 1802. Mary.
June 17 1804. William.
Aug 28 1806. Jane & Anne. Twins :)
June 4 1809. Samuel.
Paul.
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Hello Paul,
Thank you thank you thank you.
This has given me some really good info.
Kris
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Fantastic Paul :D :D
Don't suppose you can see a baptism for my William Owens around the 1760 period by any chance? [the tailor, who married Ann Jones and possibly also Ann Billince in the 1780s, in your reply no 28] Given the name William, might be also be child of William and Mary of Picton I wonder?
:) Barbara
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Fantastic Paul :D :D
Don't suppose you can see a baptism for my William Owens around the 1760 period by any chance? [the tailor, who married Ann Jones and possibly also Ann Billince in the 1780s, in your reply no 28] Given the name William, might be also be child of William and Mary of Picton I wonder?
:) Barbara
I'll have a look :)
Paul.
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Hi, hope you check this because it has been over two years since this post! I am a great-great grand-daughter to Peter Roberts, son of Ann Poole, etc. We are looking for information on Peter and have just recently come across information on Christopher. Was hoping this was the same family. They were from Llanasa, the two boy's, Christopher & Peter joined the church and the family dis-owned them back in mid 1800's, 1857 or so, does this sound like the family, they had a younger sister & brother, Nicholas & Amelia I believe.
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Hi Diana!
It was wonderful to see your post and to meet another relative of Peter Roberts! Just 2 weeks ago I met a man whos relative is Peter also. Luckily he only lives 20 minutes from me so we got together and shared some wonderful information. I would love to include you in our discussions. I am a great-great granddaughter to Christopher Roberts. I am trying to figure out his family and have made some good finds so far. I would love to eventually put a book together about John & Anne Poole Roberts and their children if I can find enough information. Would love to chat more with you. I will send you a private message with my e-mail address. Let me know if you get it. Wonderful to meet you!
Mary :)
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Anyone out there with any update on the Poole family history?
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Anyone out there with any update on the Poole family history?
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Hello Again! I wish I did have an update, but I had a baby of my own and so that has taken up all of my genealogy time thus far...I need to get researching this Poole family again :)
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Congratulations!
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MaryJC,
I was wondering if you could help me.......you were correct in your assumption a couple of years ago......John Pool was indeed married before he married Ellen Carr in 1854......
His first wife was Charlotte Jones of Whitford...they married in 1832.
I have found John Poole in the 1861 census living in Durham (St Giles, Belmont) ...the reason I could not find him previously was because they spelt his surname as Polle and not Poole.
Do you have access to the 1861 census and could you please do me a big favour and provide me with details of who was living with him.
Ps Charlotte Poole (nee Jones) died in Whitford in 1851......any information about either John Poole or Charlotte Jones would be really appreciated.
Best regards.
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There is John Polle 52 born Newmarket Flintshire Wales wife Ellen 36 born Earl Sterndale Derbyshire and children Mary Ann 4 Martha 3 Frances Elizabeth 1 all born Durham St Giles and two lodgers Edward Jones 21 and Edward Spence 22 also Coal Miners. Its hard to read the address I think it says Clarks Buildings. Take Care Lynette
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Thanks Lynette - very grateful for your assistance.
Could I ask - how have you got access to the census returns.
Regards,
Russ
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Lynette,
Where was Edward Jones born?
Thanks
Russ
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I am looking at the Census on Ancestry both Edwards were born in Holywell Flintshire Wales. Take Care Lynette
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Thanks ever so much - how much is it per month on Ancestry?
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I pay Monthly $25 here in Australia Take Care Lynette
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Thanks Lynette ......from rainy England.
Take care.
Russ
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Hi Mary and all of you relatives of John Roberts and Anne Poole,
I, too, am a great-great grand daughter of Christopher Roberts. I have a short biography of Christopher written by his daughter Hannah Roberts Keller but I am interested in learning more. I, like Mary, would like to compile a family history book of sorts that would include these ancestors.
I noticed that Christopher settled in Smithfield, Utah while his brother Peter went to Goshen, Utah. I wondered why they didn't live in closer proximity to each other...being the only 2 family members to immigrate to America.
Any more insight into this family would be greatly appreciated.
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Hanul,
Hello! I some how missed your post and am just seeing this. I too have a biography for Christopher Roberts written by his daughter Hannah. Since this thread deals with the pooles and roberts while they are in wales I will pm you so as not to confuse anyone with information on the two brothers once they came to America.
Mary
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Anyone out there with any update on the Poole family history?
I have no idea if this will add anything of use.
It is a will of Dorothy Pool, but when you read it she is Dorothy Morris otherwise Pool, she has sons with the name of Morris. She is in the right area.
Pool, Dorothy, Axton, Llanasa, Flint, Widow
Dorothy Pool : will, 1770.
http://hdl.handle.net/10107/459964
Marriage Bonds.
Poole, John, bach., Diserth, Flintshire to Williams, Margarett, Llanasa, Flintshire : 1711 Jul 4.
Notes .Marriage at Diserth or Llanasa.
Cornstone, Cuthbert, miner, St. Asaph, Flintshire to Pool, Margarett, wid., Llanasa, Flintshire : 1737 May 27.
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Wilcoxon,
This is interesting. Thank you for sharing. Where does it say her name was Dorothy Pool? I just see the name Morris.
Mary
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It`s on image 1 and 3 after her name as Morris, otherwise Pool
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wilcoxon,
I wonder if this Dorothy Poole is the mother, grandmother or aunt to Peter Poole's father, John Poole (married in 1781)? It could be his mother from a first marriage and then she married a guy with the last name Morris? They have got to be related somehow because of the location and timing. There are just not that many Poole's around that area. I have never heard that term "in other wise" for a name description. Any guesses as to what was meant by that?
Mary
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Another document for the same woman, again her sons are Morris. ???
Morris, Dorothy, Axton, Llanasa, Flint, Widow
Dorothy Morris : bond, 1769.
http://hdl.handle.net/10107/628333
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Wilcoxon,
Great information, many thanks for your help! Where are you finding these documents? They are very interesting.
Mary
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Wilcoxon,
Great information, many thanks for your help! Where are you finding these documents? They are very interesting.
Mary
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Information on the Poole's/Owen's/Robert's family from Newmarket/Trelawnyd/whitford