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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: granger on Sunday 29 June 08 18:04 BST (UK)
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Elizabeth Calderwood nee Gilmore born 1841 states her place of birth as Plessy on one census and Stannington on another. Which registration district should I be looking in? I am having difficulty finding her.
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Hi Granger,
Stannington would come under Castle Ward:
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/Reg/districts/castle%20ward.html
Plessy I think was (is?) in the parish of Stannington :)
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Hi Granger
Just to confirm Tati's thoughts - Plessey (now with an extra 'e') is in Stannington.
Morpeth Register office is the one you need.
C
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Thanks for the info...I can't find her birth but I have a marriage for her in 1866 in Newcastle upon Tyne. If I get a family member in the UK to buy the certificate where in Newcastle would that be and would it have her maiden name listed?
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A few snippets....
The area Plessey (once Plessy) was named after Norman French landowners.. the de Plessis family, who came over with the Conqueror. ( You can see how the French silent "s" at end, allowed us natives to corrupt the name tp PLESSY !)
And yes it lay within the ancient parish of Stannington.
And for Civil Registration purposes from 1st July 1837 ( 171 yrs ago tomorrow... I must get a life ! ) Plessey lay within the widespread Registration District of Castle Ward ( which skirted Newcastle to the west and north)
In 1936 The RD of Castle Ward was abolished, it's area and existing registers were split between Newcastle City and Northumberland Central Reg Districts. Stannington area's records went to Northumberland Central, which is situated in the town of Morpeth.
To look further, see interesting maps on Plasshe(Speed's1610 map)Plasey/Plassey (Armstrong's 1769 map) and Plessey
( Fryer's 1820 map) on the web site Northumberland Communities
( at communities.northumberland.gov.uk)
Plessey was site for several very early "bell" coal pits, worked by just a handful of men ( bell from the shape of the hole they dug)
A renowned coal waggonway, ran from Plessey to Blyth harbour. Today one of Blyth's main roads, Plessey Road, lies on bed of the waggonway.
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Census enumerators were instructed to record people's "place of birth" OR "parish of birth". So if Mary was born in Plessey, then Stannington was a correct recording ( It is interesting, well to me anyway, that census forms at right hand side were not headed "Place of Birth", but " Where Born".. enuf)
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With Gilmore (and variations) not been a very common name
( rooted in Scotland) her birth registered within Castle Ward should in theory be fairly easy to find !
Unles..... Gilmore was not her birth name.
So to cut a long story short...............
Likely Scenario (but needs to be corroborated...
Birth Registration
Castle Eden December Qtr 1841
ELIZABETH ROBINSON
Marriage Registration
Newcastle 1862
ELIZABETH ROBINSON marries NEIL GILMOUR
St John's Parish Church
Marriage Registration
Newcastle 1866 St Peter's
ELIZABETH ROBINSON ]
] married Robert H Calderwood
ELIZABETH GILMORE ]
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(Marriage records from the Newcastle Register Office web site)
Hope this fits in !
Michael Dixon
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Your explanations make this board really special - love it! 8)
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Tati,
Merci for you reply. I love the little snippets myself (but I sometimes get called
"gobsh*t*" )
And my birth-colliery, Bebside was fairly close to Plessey, so I prick up my eyes ( or is it my ears ? ) when I see Plessey etc
Michael Dixon
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Thanks a million Michael....I only started my family search in 1990 when I found out I was going to be living in the USA. Tried to do as much as I could before I left on my fathers side now I am attempting my mothers..... I used to take my children to play in Plessey Woods and I never knew the history of the name. Thanks.
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My playgrounds on the River Blyth were the "Halfpenny Woods" and Humford Woods (which had the great extra draw of stepping stones .)
Michael Dixon
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From Parish Marriage Registers ( film images at Tyne & Wear Archives)
St John's Parish, Newcastle
Marriage 5 Aug 1862 by "licence"
Neil Gilmour of full age, bachelor, printer, of this parish, son of John Gilmour.
Elizabeth Robinson of full age, spinster, of St Peter's parish, dtr of William Robinson, a collier.
Witnesses John Findley and John Bennett.
Neil and the two witnesses signed the register. Elizabeth made her mark.. a letter X
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St Peter's Parish Newcastle
Marriage 1st Aug 1866, by banns.
Robert Hodge Calderwood 33 bachelor, tailor, of All Saints Parish, son of Alexander Calderwood, hatter.
Elizabeth Gilmour 25 widow, of this parish, dtr of William Robinson, miner.
Witnesses G.Ridley and N. Calderwood.
The groom and both witnesses signed the register, and this time so did Elizabeth.
Michael Dixon
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Michael you are a champ......is St Peter's that up and coming area next to St Anthony's in Walker? June
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June,
I am not familiar with the church of St Peter in Newcastle. In fact today was the first time I had had my nose in it's registers.
Today the area of St Peter's is on the very bank of the Tyne, due south of Byker and Walker Road, and west of Walker and St Anthony's. ( I am getting this from a map- I have only lived in the "toon" for about 2 years-before I was at roots in Blyth/Cowpen)
On Census 1851, Elizabeth Robinson, 10, born Plessey, was with her parents William , coal miner, and Esther and siblings in Leadgate in County Durham (page ref 2389-408-34)
Michael Dixon
Kenton
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Michael you've made my day, many thanks.... June
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I omitted from the 1862 marriage details...
John Gilmour, father of Neil, was a "mechanic"
MD