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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cheshire => Topic started by: thor on Wednesday 09 July 08 11:10 BST (UK)
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I have found in the new cheshire records online buriel entries for several of my family members all wybunbury parish. I have recently been over to the churchyard and can't find any headstones for this family. Whilst I can understand that one or to might not have had one there are large branches of the family who remained in the area and they don't have them either. Any suggestions?
Also does anyone familiar with this churchyard know if there was any order in which people were buried? For example anyone buried in the 1850's go in a particular area. They seemed to me to be scattered everywhere and in no order but maybe I am missing something. ???
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Could be they couldn't afford headstones. Is there any register of where people were buried?
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Well I thought that a buriel record meant they were in a that particular churchyard isn't that the case :-[ I just can't see how I could lose so many of them, they were a large family. :-\
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Thor
What is the website address for the new Cheshire on-line burial records?
Lizzie
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Hi lizzie
I am using
www.csc.liv.ac.uk/~cprdb/
found it really useful but Its not complete yet ;D
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Thanks Thor.
Lizzie
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thor - I'm not familiar with this particular churchyard, but am with others that go back beyond this date. As regards the lack of headstones I see silvery has already mentioned that the family may not have been able to afford the cost - another factor may have been that they weren't literate at this stage & taken the view that they knew where the grave was, so why put up a marker that they couldn't read? Otherwise, has this churchyard been tied/cleared at some stage & headstones removed - eg to round the walls or as paths - it does happen.
I think silvery's question Is there any register of where people were buried?
is asking whether there is a map/plan that shows grave plots & names.
As regards if there was any order in which people were buried?
I think in early times people were buried around the church, gradually spreading out; then at some point a section might be started & all the graves in that area used before a new section was created. If there are enough stones it may be possible to tell by looking at the earliest burial listed on each. On the other hand I've seen graves tucked into odd corners etc "out of order" presumably either because someone had reserved a particular plot or because the existing space was virtually full & new land not yet available.
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I think I need to find out more about costs for headstones at the time. I have one branch of the family over at doveridge in derbyshire and these were as poor as churchmice and yet they have some of the biggest headstones in the churchyard which is a bit of a puzzle as there appears to be no reason for this.
As for maps of buriel plots I don't know if they have them for churchyards. I know they do for cemetaries.
Wybunbury is an old churchyard and I think a lot of them have been squeezed in. Some of the stones had been removed and used for paths which is a great shame as some look to date back in style to 1700's. We read what we could but no joy. Odly enough I have had the same problem with a branch of this family who moved into staffordshire. :-X
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There are two graveyards at Wybunbury - the newer one is just across the road from the old one - I am not sure when it was opened but I think early 1900's.
The old graveyard is a mess - it has not been maintained and also many headstones have been taken down and used for paths - and some of them placed face down so they cannot be read.
I do not think there is a plan for the graves. The FHSC have surveyed the graveyard and are producing a list of graves and names but this has not been published yet.
The FSHC Alsager Library do have some burial records kept by the gravedigger - these go up to about 1875 and are very useful but a bit difficult to follow.
Say what names you are you looking for - some may ring a bell.
Peter
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Hi peter
off the top of my head the main ones (that I am searching for at the moment) are patience brereton/galley 1844-1853, levi galley/brereton 1837-1844, harriet brereton/galley 1838-1839, martha 1839. These are the main ones. It's confusing with the surnames as we have always assumed the family name was galleyand it has only been this last week that we found that they had been using the name brereton as well.
There are a couple of breretons and galley stones but nothing like the amount you would expect and none are the relevant ones.
If they are registered in the wybunbury parish is this where they would be buried? They actually lived in shavington/wybunbury/bridgemere/stapeley/walgherton areas. ::)
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Hi thor
Shavington, Bridgemere, Stapeley etc are all townships in Wybunbury parish so if they were living in any of those places it is more than likely that they would have ended up in the churchyard there, unless of course they had had connections with another parish.
Some effort is being made to tidy the old churchyard up. I was down there a couple of weeks ago and it looks so much better than it did, & I can now access the burial places of my ancestors without being stabbed to death by thorns.
Wybunbury parish church as you may now know was demolished in about 1776. This is why some of the stones appear to be scattered around in a haphazard fashion. Some of the stones no doubt were originally inside the church. An ancestor of mine back in the 1880s made a detailed description of the position of all the family headstones, which have evidently been moved at some point as they are now situated in a completely different place
Jayson
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Hi,
I am wondering if some of you may be able to help me. I am trying to trace the graves of the Sillitoe family most of whom died during the 1700's and early 1800's in Walgherton (most were born in Wybunbury). Do you think they could be here, and have you possibly come across some of their graves in your travels to the churchyard?
Any help would be greatly appreciated,
Kristy
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Kristy - a start would be to search on the Cheshire parish register site
http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/~cprdb/
It's a bit different from most search sites, so in case you haven't come across it here's some basics (apologies & please skip if you have used it). The link should take you to the "Database" page - as you're looking for burials select that, which takes you to another page - there you can either use the drop down to pick an individual parish, or leave it on "all parishes" - then just put in the surname & submit. The results then are show in a table. The "dated" field is the date in the format yyymmdd - eg 31 January 1799 would be shown as 7990131 - otherwise it's a case of clicking on individual entries for any further information.
There's 41 Sillitoes listed - mainly Wynbunbury & Nantwich, so you may be in luck.
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Thanks for that. Sorry I should have been a bit clearer.
I have actually found most of them on that site, and looked at the details. Most died at Walgherton, but I dont think there was a church there, so I thought they may have been buried in Wybundury, as that is the parish the deaths are listed in. I was wondering if anyone had come across any Sillitoe headstones in their travels in that churchyard???
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kristy - if they're listed as Wynbunbury that is the burial register & therefore churchyard they're in to the best of my knowledge. Perhaps someone would be able to look for them on a visit - a new thread requesting this may help.
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I have been to Wybunbury today and there is a new project started to tidy up the graveyard and to transcribe the memorials - this includes unearthing any buried headstones.
It is in its early days but already quite a number have been uncovered - this project is clearly going to help us all a lot.
Thor - I did notice a number of Breretons but I hadn't got your list with me - it may worth you having a look yourself.
Peter
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thanks peter
I will definately have a look ;D
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I have been to Wybunbury today and there is a new project started to tidy up the graveyard
Peter
A small group of men from Wybunbury have taken it on themselves to tidy up the old Churchyard, they are there most Saturday mornings. This is a local initiative and they are all volunteers but do not have any funds. They have had some materials donated and St Chad's church in Wybunbury has also offered some financial assistance but the church has limited resources. So if anyone with relatives buried in Wybunbury Churchyard would like to make a donation towards its upkeeep it would be gratefully accepted by the group.
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I beleive i have family buried in Wybunbury. The Hilliers and Hunts.
Any help please
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I beleive i have family buried in Wybunbury. The Hilliers and Hunts.
Any help please
Hi Andy,
You can access a transcription of the Wybunbury parish records including burial records from the parish burial register here:
http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/~cprdb/
Jean
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Kirsty I have small pieces of grave stones in my garden I'm sure the name is Sillitoe on them. We dug over the garden and found them. I was told by neighbours that one owner of my house used any scraps from any where as building material.
I tried to find out more about them but have had no success. When it's light I will give you all the information on them.
Lynn
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Kirsty I have small pieces of grave stones in my garden I'm sure the name is Sillitoe on them. We dug over the garden and found them. I was told by neighbours that one owner of my house used any scraps from any where as building material.
I tried to find out more about them but have had no success. When it's light I will give you all the information on them.
Lynn
Lynn,
Would you look if any have "Bebbington" on them for me too please?
Gaille
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Sorry Gaille there's no Bebbington as there is only 2 small pieces of grave stone.
good luck
Lynn
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Kirsty
The information on my bits of grave stone :-
James son of Richard and Mary Sillitoe of Walgherton. then just words July and age.
I'll be interested to find out more if you have anything? Or if anyone else has any info.
Cheers
Lynn
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Hi Lynn,
What a find!!
If my research is correct then the people mentioned on the stones are indeed distant relatives of mine. Richard and Mary were the parents of my Richard Sillitoe, born 1724, died 1804. Both Richards parents were born and died in Walgherton. I guess James may have been my Richards brother. I will do some further digging on his siblings and see if I can confirm James's existance in my line.The parents (Richard and Mary) died in 1779 and 1756 respectively. Richard was born in 1696.
If you ever get a picture of the pieces, I would love a copy.
Kind regards,
Kristy
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Hi all
My moss family and skerratts and rays were all buried at wybunbury
in the late 90s i was in touch with a man from bridge street wybunbury
who had a grave register from 1800
astwood
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Hi Kirsty
I have been trying to send you the pictures of the bits of grave stones but it wont work.
Sorry Lynn
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I've recently joined Roots Chat and found "lynnc7"'s posting from a while ago about old pieces of a Sillitoe gravestone. I've also got Richard Sillitoe ancestors from Wybunbury/Walgherton. Is there any way I might see a picture or view the stones? To avoid anyone giving personal information, I think there's a Post office in Wybunbury - perhaps I could collect a picture if it was left for me? Alternatively, I'm a member of Cheshire FHS, so could communicate through them.
Yours hopefully and perhaps a bit cheekily, slt1
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I have the Monumental Inscriptions ( New Churchyard) as recorded by S Cheshire fhs, suggest you contact Crewe Library for info on the publication http://www.cheshireeast.gov.uk/libraries/nearest_library/crewe_library.aspx
There is one SILLITOE entry 829 where the graveyard tapers on the east end!
In loving memory of Diana Mary SILLITOE a dear wife & mother died 27 February 1987 aged 58
The Old grave yard is no longer accessible
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Thank you elzabels for the information.