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Hello
I'm trying to trace my great grandma, Ruth Marland, mother to my grandad Charles Marland, born 1917 at St Mary's Hospital in Manchester. Charles father was not listed on the birth cert, but Ruth's job was listed as domestic servant and lived at 18 Ripon St, Greenheys.
I've been told my relatives that Ruth died around Charles 21st birthday and died in Ashton.
I'm also told that Charles had a sister, Mary Marland and she was adopted out to a family in Disley.
Charles also had an Aunt called Sarah Marland who lived at Albert Terrace, New Mills in 1942... aparrantly Charles lived with his aunt in New Mills after his mother died, until he married Sybil in 1942.
If you can help me at all in trying to trace, Ruth Marland, Sarah Marland or Mary Marland i would really appreciate to hear from you
Thanks
Rebecca Marland
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Hi Rebecca :)
Welcome to RootsChat.
We seem to be struggling a bit with this one :-\
There does not seem to be a suitable Death Registration for a Ruth Marland (per se) in 1937 or 1938. The only one of that specific name is a 70 year old in Liverpool.
However, if what your relatives have told you about Charles' mother dying around the time of his 21st birthday (March 1938) is correct, then this might be a possible Death Registration......
1938 Manchester S. JFM quarter 8d 134
Alice R Marland aged 45
If this is her, she would have been born 1892/3 and perhaps this is her....
Possible Birth Registration
1892 Ashton AMJ quarter 8d 583
Alice Ruth Marland
It might be worth considering these two entries if nothing else turns up.
DS ;)
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Hi Rebecca :)
However, if what your relatives have told you about Charles' mother dying around the time of his 21st birthday (March 1938) is correct, then this might be a possible Death Registration......
1938 Manchester S. JFM quarter 8d 134
Alice R Marland aged 45
If this is her, she would have been born 1892/3 and perhaps this is her....
Possible Birth Registration
1892 Ashton AMJ quarter 8d 583
Alice Ruth Marland
It might be worth considering these two entries if nothing else turns up.
DS ;)
Hello and thank you very much for replying, i appreciate it.
Yes i think this is the closest i have come to finding my Ruth Marland.... so i will order the death cert. Could you advise how i would know if this is the right one? Would there be something i can look for? For instance would it say who registered her death... perhaps her son>? Would this be how i'd know if its the right Ruth?
Thanks
Rebecca
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Hi Rebecca
Hopefully the certificate will contain one or more bits of information which might indicate that you have found the right person. If her son, Charles, was the informant that would be good (in this context) but there might also be something else .....or..... on the other hand, there might be nothing which proves that she is the correct lady.
However, looking through the indexes, if your relatives are correct about the time of her death, this entry looks like a reasonable gamble.
Here is a link to an excellent site which provides a lot of information about what each type of certificate may contain....
http://home.clara.net/dixons/Certificates/deaths.htm
I hope the certificate that you receive proves to be useful. Will you please let us know ?
Best wishes
DS ;)
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Thanks for all your help, i will send off for the cert and let you know of my progress.
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Good news!
You were right Alice Ruth Marland was my Ruth Marland, my great grandmother! I cant thank you enough, i've been searching for her for over five years now and without your help, i doubt i would ever been able to trace her!
I received the death and birth certificates today and Charles Marland my grandfather, Alice Ruth's son registered her death.
Death Cert
Alice Ruth Marland died on 19th March 1938 (Charles birthday) aged 45 at St Mary's Hospital, following a hysterectomy. Charles Marland, Son living at 11 Albert Terrace, Newton, New Mills, Derbyshire (address of Sarah Marland his aunt, as also registered on Charles marriage certificate in 1942)
Alice is listed as working as a domestic servant (as she was when Charles was born) living at 150 Henrietta St, Ashton under Lyne. Her father is also listed as Buckley Marland, Stonemason.
Birth Cert
Alice Ruth Marland born 27th April 1892, 24 Earl St, Mossley, father Buckley Marland, Stonemason, mother Jane Marland (formerly Jane Morrell)
I cant thank you enough, your help has been invaluable!
If you have any further advice on how i proceed from here, as to how i trace Sarah Marland or even Charles sister Mary Marland (dob unknown) or even Alice's parents Buckley and Jane Marland i would again be very grateful.
Thanks again
Rebecca Marland
Alice Ruth Marland born 27th April 1892
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Hi Rebecca
That is really good news :). Thank you very much for letting us know.
If you look on here http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp and search for Buckley Marland 1861 you should find the 1881 census entry. If you click on his name it will show the individual record for him. On that page, if you click on the word “Household” it will show the full census transcription with his parents and siblings (including a sister, Sarah :o).
If you search on http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl you should be able to find his birth, marriage and death references.
DS
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Here he is with his wife ....
1891
Ashton Under Lyne RG12/3295 Folio 30 Page 34
Buckley Marland Head M 30 Stone Mason Lancs Mossley
Jane do Wife M 29 Shropshire
William do Son 9 Scholar Lancs Mossley
Edward do Son 5 Scholar Lancs Mossley
Harry do Son 3 Scholar Lancs Mossley
Alfred do Son 2 Lancs Mossley
24 Earl Street, Mossley
.... living next door to his parents and siblings who are at 26 Earl Street
DS
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Rebecca
I think Buckley died in 1898 (and Jane possibly also died in 1899). Their sons William and Alfred are living with Buckley's parents on the 1901 census.
I have not yet found Alice Ruth (for sure) on the 1901 census nor can I readily see her brothers Edward and Harry (who appear on the 1891 census).
I will have a look for some more information later, when I am able to do so (we have visitors arriving tomorrow for a few days), unless anyone else can provide some for you in the meantime.
Buckley's father, Edward Marland seems to be visible on all the censuses back to 1841 showing his parents John and Margaret [possibly nee Cheetham] and siblings should you want those details.
DS ;)
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Seems like some others are looking for the Marlands also ... a little further back though .... but as theres a couple of Stone Masons ... maybe you're related Rebecca !! :) :)
http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.marland/24/mb.ashx
Hi DS !! :)
Annie :)
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Hi Annie :)
This might also be of interest ....
http://www.marland.org/vital_records/AuLdau-mar.htm
..there is reference (on the first page) to Harry Marland's marriage indicating that his father, Buckley, was deceased in 1915. His brother, Alfred was a witness.
DS ;)
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Wow .... how cool is that ?? !
Theres the whole family and the cousins and the Aunts .... all right there !! :D :D :D
Splendid !!
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I have not yet found .. on the 1901 census, brothers Edward and Harry (who appear on the 1891 census).
Now I have ;D ....
In 1901 Edward and Harry Marland are listed as Marsland and they are staying with their Aunt Ruth Liddiard nee Morrall at Hayfield RG13/3279 Folio 109 Page 7.
Ruth was born 1864 in Shropshire Malinslee (near Dawley) and she is the sister of Jane Morrall who married Buckley Marland. Their parents were William and Mary Ann (nee Brice) and the family should be traceable through the censuses, if required.
Malinslee appears on the censuses in a variety of phonetic attempts by the enumerators such as Merlins Lane, Malins Lea as well as the correct spelling.
DS ;)
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This is either a very interesting or a very misleading entry (or both ;D) ...
1901
Leigh RG13/3592 Folio 78 Page 18
George Deighton Gardiner Head M 30 Railway Telegraph Clerk Lancs Lancaster
Sarah do Wife M 29 Lancs Mossley
Alice Marland Niece 8 Lancs Mossley
12 Henrietta Street, Leigh
In 1900 a Sarah Marland married George Deighton Gardiner at Mossley St George and she is the correct age to be the sister of Buckley Marland (as on the 1881 census). The niece shown above could be your Alice Ruth Marland.
If these are your people it would mean that Aunt Sarah should have been called Gardiner when Charles lived with her (unless she married again). If they are not yours, there are a lot of strange coincidences including the address at Henrietta Street (but in Leigh rather than Ashton)
What do you think ?
DS ???
ps The above is what (I think) the original census document says. On Ancestry the surname of George and Sarah is listed as Prudence and Alice is listed as Masland.
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My two penny worth, my wifes Aunt, Isabella Harling, b.1907, Lancaster, m. 1935, Ches. BMD, RM/157/7, Ashton u Lyne, Eric
Marland, son, b. 1946, do not know if there is a connection ?
bodger
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Hi Bodger :)
I will have to leave that possible link for Rebecca to consider later .... but here are her Marland family before 1881 .....
1871
Ashton Under Lyne RG10/4088 Folio 93 Page 13
Edward Marland Head M 39 Stone Mason Lancashire Mossley
Alice do Wife M 33 Yorkshire Saddleworth
Buckley do Son 10 Scholar Lancashire Mossley
Jane do Daur 8 Scholar Lancashire Mossley
Margaret do Daur 6 Scholar Lancashire Mossley
Jonathan do Son 3 Lancashire Mossley
Ann do Daur 1 Lancashire Mossley
George Street, Hartshead, Ashton Under Lyne
DS
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1861
Ashton Under Lyne RG9/3000 Folio 96 Page 7
Edward Marland Head M 28 Stone Mason Lancashire Ashton
Alice do Wife M 23 Saddleworth Yorkshire
Buckley do Son 2mo Lancashire Mossley
Stamford Road, Hartshead, Ashton Under Lyne
DS
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1851
Saddleworth HO107/2290 Folio 508 Pages 4/5
John Marland Head M 69 Stone Mason Lancashire Lane Head
Margaret do Wife M 60 Domestic Duties Lancashire Ashton
Nelly do Daur U 36 Cotton Winder Lancashire Hartshead
Sarah do Daur U 24 Cotton Sliverer Lancashire Lanehead
Edward do Son U 19 Cotton Piecer Lancashire Lanehead
John Wm Moss (?) Grandson 10 Scholar Yorkshire Baguley Hill
Betty Berry (?) Grand Daur 7 Scholar Lancashire Brookbottom
Baguley Hill, Upper Mill, Saddleworth, Yorkshire
DS
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1841
Saddleworth HO107/1279/1 Folio 6 Page 4
John Marland 60 Mason
Margaret do 50
Ellen do 27 Winder Cotton
Martha do 25 Cotton Tenter
Sarah do 14 Cotton Tenter
Edward do 9
Baguley Hill, Upper Mill, Saddleworth, Yorkshire
All born out of County. Some ages over 15 rounded down
DS ;)
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Yes this is my relations! Marland.org and Cathy Haines have helped me trace my family back to Abraham 1695!
Seems like some others are looking for the Marlands also ... a little further back though .... but as theres a couple of Stone Masons ... maybe you're related Rebecca !! :) :)
http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.marland/24/mb.ashx
Hi DS !! :)
Annie :)
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This is either a very interesting or a very misleading entry (or both ;D) ...
1901
Leigh RG13/3592 Folio 78 Page 18
George Deighton Gardiner Head M 30 Railway Telegraph Clerk Lancs Lancaster
Sarah do Wife M 29 Lancs Mossley
Alice Marland Niece 8 Lancs Mossley
12 Henrietta Street, Leigh
In 1900 a Sarah Marland married George Deighton Gardiner at Mossley St George and she is the correct age to be the sister of Buckley Marland (as on the 1881 census). The niece shown above could be your Alice Ruth Marland.
If these are your people it would mean that Aunt Sarah should have been called Gardiner when Charles lived with her (unless she married again). If they are not yours, there are a lot of strange coincidences including the address at Henrietta Street (but in Leigh rather than Ashton)
What do you think ?
DS ???
ps The above is what (I think) the original census document says. On Ancestry the surname of George and Sarah is listed as Prudence and Alice is listed as Masland.
YES, YES, YES thanks DS you are correct this is my alice! Although still not sure which Sarah is my Aunt Sarah who lived at 1 Albert Terrace, Newtown, New Mills, Derbyshire.... in 1942, because there are so many in my line thanks to you and marland.org!!
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My two penny worth, my wifes Aunt, Isabella Harling, b.1907, Lancaster, m. 1935, Ches. BMD, RM/157/7, Ashton u Lyne, Eric
Marland, son, b. 1946, do not know if there is a connection ?
bodger
Hello Bodger, thanks to Marland.org., Cathy Haines and DS i've managed to trace my line back to Abraham 1695. If you would like me to send you all my details, and line please contact me, so far no sign of your aunt, but that doesnt mean there isnt one, have you tried marland.org? I'd also be happy to give you a link to my anscesty and genes tree which has all the info on there.
Rebecca x
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Update:
Just to let you know I've had a breakthrough with the Sarah Ann Marland I was looking for (my grandfather Charles' aunt who he lived with)
I've received an email from a relative of Sarah Marland. His grandmother was Sarah Marland (nee Riley) and lived at Albert Terrace, New Mills (same address as stated on Charlie's marriage cert) his mother was Edith Mary Marland...
I always presumed that Charles went to live with his Aunt when his mother died, but apparently it was well before then.... this relative has pictures of Charles as a young boy with Edith in New Mills....
I may also have solved the problem of Charles' missing sister Mary Marland (who was adopted to a family in Disley).... I now wonder if she is Edith Mary Marland.... adopted out to the same Aunt Sarah. The mind boggles!
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Hi there
So pleased to see we are researching the same Marland / Riley family and wondered if you have seen the photos you mentioned of Charles with Edith.
My mum was born in Buxton in 1913 and her name was Edith Radford Wood. She was raised by someone other than her mother and for the first 13 years of her life, the mystery is who? In 1926 she went to live with Sarah Marland/Riley's parents John Thomas and Mary Riley at 2 Boyds Buildings Hazelhurst Ashton. From this day she became Edith Riley. After her arrival a little boy also came to live with them, his name was Charlie and he used to tell people she was his sister although she wasn't really. This sounds like it was your grandfather.
At that time mum had an autograph/friendship book and one of the pages was signed UNCLE HARRY NEW MILLS.
In later years around the early 50s mum took my older sisters to visit 'Aunty Sally and Uncle Harry in New Mills. Please can you tell me if you know where they are buried.
I have information, photos, certificates etc of the Riley family and woiuld love to share them. Only last week my sister and I went to visit John and Mary Riley's grave and was suprised to find Alice Ruth Marland buried in the same grave.
Hope you will soon be in touch ( can't wait )
Kind Regards
Lynn