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I have the above couple marrying, Dec. 1863 Salford.
In the 1871 cen. Salford, they are shown with his in laws, Joseph & Elizabeth Huddart,.
In the 1861 cen. Joseph & Elizabeth are show with two sets of children, Ellen,b.1843, Elizabeth,b.1842, Draper,
and three Huddart children, from this i assume that both Joseph & Elizabeth had previous marriages ?, or she had two children on her own
Elizabeth is show has being born 1811, Kirkdale, Lancs ?.
I have looked for the Drapers in the 1851 cen, but can find no matches ?,
There is a possible marriage of John Draper & Elizabeth Phillipson, 1841 Lancs. BMD.?, but again i cannot match them in the 1851 cen.
Can anyone please find the Drapers in 1851?
Thank You Bodger
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What was the name of Ellen Drapers father on her marriage certificate?
What was Ellen and Elizabeth's birthplace
If Ellen was b around 1843, a copy of her birth cert will show Elizabeth's maiden name
Alternatively - a copy of the Huddart/Draper marriage cert will shows Elizabeth's previous surname via her fathers name
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If you check the 1851 for Joseph Huddart you will see he is married to a Mary A and all the Huddart children on the 1861 are from his first marriage.
Any re-marriage must have been between 1851-1861
If you check freebmd for a death for Mary A Huddart it will narrow the remarriage year down further
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www.familysearch.org
ELLEN DRAPER Christening: 26 SEP 1843 Saint Peter, Liverpool
Father: JAMES DRAPER Mother: ELIZABETH
The only Joseph Huddart marriage to an Elizabeth on Lancs BMD was 1856 to Elizabeth Parr
If you check the 1861 - there is no other Joseph & Elizabeth Huddart except yours
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hello
in answer to your request i have 1851 census
elizabeth deaper head widow b 1812
elizabeth daughter b 1842
ellen b 1843.
living at 27 st andrews st ,mount pleasant,liverpool.
gets us somewhere now i think.
lee.
definately draper when you see it by the way
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Thank you for the replies,
hol, i think you are correct, on the original it is Draper, mis transcription ?
Carole W, it gets more interesting, on Lancs. BMD 1839, there is a Joseph Huddart marrying Mary A Parr, if this is the same Joseph marrying Elizabeth Parr in 1856, i wonder if he married his wifes unmarried sister, or her brothers wife, or just a coincidence ?, i know it can be resolved with certs, but they are not directly in line, and i am still saving for the more direct ones. Thank You Both Again, Bodger
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Hi Bodger,
I have a copy of Ellen Draper's marriage cert, her father's name is John Draper, date of marriage 20th of December 1863 at St Simon's, Salford, age 21, residence Broughton Road.
Husband: Robert Lockett (turner), age 21, residence looks like Hodgson Street, father William (engineer).
Witnesses John Rafter and Martha Wild - I believe the two later married.
Robert is my husband's gggrandad.
I noticed on another of your posts you were looking for Martha, Robert John and Charles Lockett - parents William Henry and Elizabeth. Did you manage to find out what Martha's mother's surname was?
I do have a birth cert for Robert John Lockit 21/10/1843, Catherine Court, Manchester - father William Lockit and mother Betsy Lockit - Betsy was illiterate which probably explains the spelling of Lockett.
Regards
Brisvegas
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Sorry Badger,
forgot to add Betsy was formerly Brown.
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If i am reading the above correctly:-
James Draper, married an Elizabeth, and had Ellen, b 1842, James dies ?
Lancs. BMD, 1839, Joseph Huddart, marries, Mary Ann Parr
1851 cen. Joseph Huddart & Mary A (Parr ?) & children,
Mary A, dies?
In 1861 cen Joseph & Elizabeth are together with their respective children
1971 cen, Ellen, b.1842 & Robert Lockett,b.1844, are living with in laws, Joseph & Elizabeth Huddart.
Lancs BMD, 1856, a Joseph Huddard marries Elizabeth Parr, could she be Elizabeth Draper, marrying under her maiden name ?
Any thoughts please, Bodger
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Hi Bodger and all,
how about this scenario:
Elizabeth Phillipson marries John Draper 1841 / free BMD Liverpool Qtr4, vol20, pg237
IGI ref marriage takes place on 11/10/1841 @ St.Nicholas' Liverpool
1841 census Class: HO107; Piece 561
Elizabeth (1817) and John Draper (1817) living at St Andrews Street
with baby Ann (1 month)
Suggests they weren't wholly truthful on census night.
1851 census as previously discussed Elizabeth is a widow with
daughters Elizabeth and Ellen
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Hi. I've just begun a root search, and it seems that John Robert Lockett (Robert John?) and Ellen Lockett are my great great grandparents. Amelia and William Finch Faulkner are my great grandparents, and their son, who was born to Amelia's sister but adopted by them, was my mother's father. So, biologically, he was a Cochran, but legally, a Faulkner. They apparently (Cochran and Faulkner families)lived in the same building. His name was William Cochran Faulkner. He was born on March 7, 1912 and died in August of 1968 from liver cancer in Florida.
I live in Delaware, NJ, USA, but spent most of my life in New Jersey.
Since I'm new at this, I'm not sure how to proceed. Any suggestions?
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Hi Casey, welcome to Rootschat.
here is the marriage found onhttp://www.lan-opc.org.uk/
Marriage: 27 May 1899 St Bartholomew, Salford, Lancashire, England
William Finch Faulkner - 19, Fireman, Bachelor, 24 Cavendish St.
Amelia Lockett - 19, Braid Tenter, Spinster, 32 Cavendish St.
Groom's Father: James Faulkner, (deceased), Labourer
Bride's Father: Henry Lockett, Labourer
Witness: Walter Walker; Martha Daley, (X)
Married by Banns by: G. W. Petherick
Register: Marriages 1897 - 1901, Page 110, Entry 214
Source: LDS Film 1786465
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Amelia and her family in 1891:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:78XG-ZZM
Amelia's birth
LOCKETT, AMELIA
Mother's maiden surname: BRIERS
GRO Reference: 1879 S Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 122
Her sister Ethel was born after the census:
LOCKETT, ETHEL
Mother's maiden surname: BRIERS
GRO Reference: 1891 S Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 179
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp
Ethel married in Lancashire:
2 Apr 1910 St Peter, Swinton, Lancashire, England
Edward COCKRANE
21, Labourer, Bachelor, 141 Worsley Road
Father: Edward COCKRANE, (deceased), Labourer
Ethel LOCKETT
20, Card Tenter, Spinster, 1 Shaftesbury Road
Father: Henry LOCKETT, Labourer
Witnesses: Fred Ridgway; Edith Hibbert
Married by Banns by: J. W. Clarke
Register: Marriages 1909 - 1916, Page 9, Entry 18
Source: Manchester Central Library
Ethel and family as well as William and Amelia in 1930. They obviously could not have immigrated in 1919 if William was born in New Jersey c1912.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X4FV-19K
Debra :)
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Thank you Debra. The family oral history is that they came here for a few years and my grandfather was born here and they went back to England, and then returned to the US for good. I have no idea if this is the truth. The story also went that Ethel got sick after the birth of my grandfather, and they thought she was going to die, so Amelia, who didn't have any children (couldn't for some reason) took William. By the time Ethel recovered, he wouldn't go back to Ethel, and apparently, Ethel had several children, so Ethel let Amelia and William Finch Faulkner adopt him. That's how his name is William Cochran Faulkner. (that's how they spelled Cochran here). They all lived in a two family house and he grew up with 2 sets of parents. I appreciate all of this information--I can't tell you how grateful I am.