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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cambridgeshire => Topic started by: ShirleyX on Monday 24 January 05 04:08 GMT (UK)
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Can anyone give me a starting point. please
My grandmother Grace Lillian Ruff b1905 Australia, d/o Arthur James Noble Ruff b 1865 Australia and Mary Tilbury.b?
Arthur James Noble Ruff s/o James Ruff & Elizabeth Vine.
I believe James Ruff departed Liverpool 3/81845 on the Ship Johnston, arriving Melbourne 30/11/1845.
This is all I know though I am told the Ruff family was in Whittlesey with Isaac Ruff and Anice or Agnus Young m 1710/16.
I've tried searching the various online free accesses but nothing seems to register. Is anyone else searching this family?
Any help appreciated
Shirley
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Hi - I'm not looking at the Ruff family but do have family in Whittlesey that I research (TREVITT) so I thought I'd have a look for you - if you have a little more information post it so I can have another look.
Do you have any ages - i.e. how old was James Ruff when he left Liverpool and did he travel with his parents (from his marriage age I could infer that he was young but not how young). Have you had a look at the microfilm at the Library as the ships logs sometimes have the place of birth of the immigrant?
Do you know where he died or perhaps have his parents names or any siblings? His death certificate could provide some of this information.
With what you have above I've just done a quick look at the 1841 census for Cambridge - There are lots of Ruffs but only two James Ruffs in the 1841 census of Whittlesey that I can find.
1841 Census of Whittlesey HO107/82/7 13A
Coates Whittlesey
Isaac RUFF 30 Farmer Not from County
Rebeckah RUFF 35 From County
James RUFF 4 From County
Isaac RUFF 2 From County
1841 Census of Whittlesey HO107/82/1 5B
Horsegate Whittlesey
James RUFF Age 50 Farmer From County
Mary RUFF Age 50 From County
Elizabeth RUFF Age 15 From County
James RUFF Age 14 From County
Daniel RUFF Age 11 From County
Again not free but I have found the Nottigham family history society very good at giving searching for your name. nottsfhs.org.uk
Hope the above helps.
Jenny
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Thanks heaps Jenny
I'ts always a stumbling block when there is no immediate family alive who can help. It took me some time just to find out where Whittlesey was. I had no idea, could have been any country. This site provided the answer.
The fact that I live 3hrs drive from the nearest library I always live in hope that someone can find that snippet of info, generally a date, so that I can make the most of my time when I get the rare opportunity to get to a library.
All the details I gave are mostly heresay so I am not even sure I have all the right details. Strangely enough my own father could not tell me anything about his mother's parents (probably a skeleton in the closet) so nothing ever got talked about.
I am waiting for certificates of my grandparents at present so maybe they will give me a hint.
Meanwhile I'll check out the details you gave me when I can. Little James age 4 could be correct. Where is County, anywhere near Whittlesey?
Shirley
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Shirley,
Happy if it helped - willing to look further when you have more information. Where are you located?
The statement From County and not of this county refer to where the person was born. The 1841 census simply said if they were born in the county (i.e. Whittlesey) or not.
If Isaac is a family name then the 4 year old James with father Isaac might be a go. The other thing I just checked is that 4 year old james doesn't show up as 14 year old James in the 1851 census. In fact the family appears to have moved as Isaac doesn't show either.
I've got some more info but will PM you.
Jenny
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Thanks for all the help.
Over the next week I will try to order a few certificates from Australia to get a better idea of dates and places and will let you know.
Regards
Shirley
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Hi Shirley
Arthur James Noble Ruff married Mary Elizabeth Goodey/Tilbury 1899. He is the son of James Ruff and Elizabeth nee Vines. James is the son of Daniel Ruff and Ann Noble. I believe these may possibly be names in your lineage as well, am I correct?
Have you had any further success with this family please.
Cheers
Judi
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Judi
Gosh, I didn't realise it had been so long since I looked at this family and I am sorry to say that I have done no more on them. I've been doing uni degrees for the past five years.
Shirley
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Hi Shirley
I have done a little with this family and perhaps I may be able to help you a little more? We are the Tilbury connection with the Ruff family. I live in Australia.
Cheers
Judi
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Judi
Anything you have on the family lines would be appreciated.
I went through some very old files - ones I'd collected long before computers came in - and came across a fairly detailed family tree on the Ruff family that I had apparently quickly scribbled down when visiting a relative, I'd forgotten all about the file.
Anyway - I believe Daniel Ruff was married to E Smith before he married Ann (Susannah) Noble and may have married a third time to S Hardy.
Daniels parents are most likely Isaac Ruff and Mary Anderson. Isaac's parents are Isaac Ruff and Mary Stovely, then married Elizabeth Betts. This Isaac's parents are Isaac Ruff and Agnes Young of Whittlesey
Does this tie in with anything you have.
I live in Dunolly Vic
Shirley
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Hi Shirley
From what I have found, Daniel married Ann Noble 2 May 1822 in March, Cambridgeshire, England. He then married Susannah Hardley on 7 February 1839 at St Andrews Cambridgeshire. Daniel's father is definitely listed as Isaac and he was a Farmer when Daniel married Ann (by Licence).
Daniel, Susannah (Susan), James, Daniel, Isaac, Elizabeth & Robert arrived in Australia 27 December 1852 on the Persian. Daniel passed away 10 September 1853 at Prahran, Victoria. I do not know where he is buried and need to purchase his death certificate. Susannah died and was buried 11 May 1868 in the St Kilda Cemetery. You will find other Ruff family members buried there as well.
Cheers
Judi
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Thanks Judi
At least it this ties in with my scribbled notes.
Shirley
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Hello, just been looking at your request,
some details which may help.
ISAAC RUFF, BURIED 18.9.1876=66, WHITTLESEY CAMBS.
BANNS 21.4.1833, ISAAC RUFF=REBECCA DENTON.
WHITTLESEY ST MARYS,
BAPT 1836, JAMES SON OF ISAAC/REBECCA.
there are two Churches in Whittlsey, St Andrews/St Marys.
+noncomformist Churches, and Coates in approx 1 mile
from Whittlesey.Margaret.
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Thanks Margaret
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Hi Shirley
Arthur James Noble Ruff married Mary Elizabeth Goodey/Tilbury 1899. He is the son of James Ruff and Elizabeth nee Vines. James is the son of Daniel Ruff and Ann Noble. I believe these may possibly be names in your lineage as well, am I correct?
Have you had any further success with this family please.
Cheers
Judi
Judi
Do you know what it is with the surname Goodey - why did the family continue to use Tilbury ?
Shirley
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I am related to the Ruff family from Whittlesea, Cambs and have a copy of the family tree. Are you still researching? :)
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I am still researching this family, it is one of my on-going families. Shirley has given me information but the more the merrier I say. I have handwritten notes and printed information from Shirley I have put into folders to add into my database.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers
Judi
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Hi Melvyn,
I am from a line of the Ruff family that comes from a son (Robert Mark Noble Ruff) of Daniel Ruff and Ann Noble. I am really interested in any info you may have to share. I live in country NSW, Australia and have uncovered some interesting stories from New Zealand, but am finding that I am getting different answers to my research questions than other people ie. I think Daniel Ruff died in Cambridgeshire, not Melbourne, but maybe there is more than one Daniel as I can't see a 60 year old migrating to Australia in those days as there is no criminal record for him. After all what was the life span in those days?
Look forward to hearing from you, Cheers Cate
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Cate
Judi gave me some information that might assist.
Daniel Ruff married to Ann Noble came to Australia on the ship Persia ariving 27 Dec 1852 with son Daniel age 25, James age 22, Isaac age 20, Mark age 16 and Elizabeth age 18. (Wonder if Mark is actually Robert). Daniel's wife is listed as Susan. I believe Ann died and Daniel then married Susannah Hardley on 7 Feb 1839 and this is the person listed on the ship. Daniel died 10 Sep 1853 at Prahran Victoria. Susannah died 11 May 1868 and is buried at St Kilda Cemetery so perhaps Daniel is there also.
If Mark is indeed Robert I would be pleased to have information about his family - which indeed would mean we are cousins.
Shirley
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1841Census Coates, 3 mile approx Whittlesey
Isaac Ruff, born approx 1800/4 Moulton Lincs???????????????????????????
Rebbeca Ruff nee Denton. married 1833 at St Marys Whittlesey Cambs, there children were
Robert born 1834 Eastrea
James born 1836 Whittlsey
Isaac 1839, Coates
on1841 census, there is a Henry Smith/Susanna Garner.
1861 census, Middlemoor, Ramsey St Marys Hunts.
Isaac Ruff, 57, born 1804, farmer, Moulton Lincs, near Spalding.
James Ruff,son u/m.24 born1837Coates.
Isaac Ruff son,born1839 Coates.
Ann Dockings, ser, u/m42, 1819, Housekeeper, bornStilton.
Followthe family in Census
in1871, they are at,Hern drove, Ramsey St Marys.Hunts.
1881 at Middlemoor Farm House, R.S.M.
1891 at Pondersbridge, Whittlesey, Coates.
1901census, at above Adress, Isaac Ruff,60 1841,widowed, born Coates
1911census Yaxley Main St, Isaac Ruff, 1841has been married 1year, to a Sarah Ann..
hope this makes sense, and
is helpful Margaret.
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Hi Cate and Shirley
Further investigations have led me to believe Mark is more than likely Robert Mark Noble Ruff. On the shipping papers I have he is listed as "Mark".
Now I have to eat crow here. The information I had written down next to Susan or Susannah as she actually baptised was is D Ruff death 10/9/1853?????
I have today purchased the death certificate for D Ruff with this death date and it is David Ruff.
Information David Ruff, Carpenter, died 10 September 1853, near High Street, Prahran. Father is listed as Isaac Ruff, Farmer. It is said he was born Whittlesea (sic) Cambridgeshire, and had been in Victoria for 10 months. It is also stated he was married 1840 to Elizabeth Andlie(?) at Whittlesea(sic) Cambridgeshire. Unfortunately it does not have any details of where he was buried and on what date.
Susan Ruff's death certificate states she died 11 May 1868, Orrong Road, Prahran. Aged 58, Parents unknown. John Ward, employer of the deceased was the informant. She was buried 12 May 1868 at St Kilda Cemetery, Victoria. It states Susan was married but information not known. It does not list any children. Here it also has not known.
Does this mean that none of the children were around at the time of her passing and where on earth was Daniel. Was Daniel alive at the time of Susan's death or did he desert her and return to England as Cate suggests?
More questions than answers at the moment.
Cheers
Judi
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Hi Cate
I forgot to mention we also live in Country NSW, on the mid north coast.
Cheers
Judi
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Just getting back to some research and wonder if anyone has sorted some of this family out.
I don't know what happened to Daniel Ruff, born abt 1797, married to Ann Noble. I'm wondering if Daniel might have died on arrival and no one knew how to register his death. Has anyone been able to find anything.
I have found a possible death record for Daniel and Ann's son Daniel in 1899, at Parramatta, NSW, Reg No. 6859. I have not ordered certificate.
Also still like to know any info about Robert Mark Noble Ruff, if anyone has found anything.
Also has anyone proved Susan Ruff's death as that being 12 May 1868.
Cheer
Shirley
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Hi, I'm not sure if you're still looking for information on the Ruffs but I have them marrying into my family tree (Hardleys)
Marriage 7 February 1839 at St Andrew’s Whittlesey by licence
Daniel Ruff, fa, wdr builder of March, father Isaac Ruff farmer
Susanna Hardley, fa, sp of Whittlesea
Wits: John Hardley & Ann Hardley
Susanna Hardley
Baptism 17 November 1810 at Whittlesey of Thomas & Susanna. Born 14 November 1810
1841 census HO107/81/9 fo 3 p 1
Broad Street, March, Cambs, all born in county
Daniel Ruff 55 carpenter
Susanna Ruff 30
Daniel Ruff 14
James Ruff 11
Isaac Ruff 9
Elizabeth A Ruff 7
Robert M N Ruff 5
1951 census HO107/1765 fo 668 p10
Daniel Ruff Bridge Street, March head m 60 builder master (employing 1 man) bn cambs, whittlesey
Susanna Ruff Bridge Street, March wife m 40 bn cambs, whittlesey
Daniel Ruff Bridge Street, March son u 24 carpenters son bn cambs, march
Isaac Ruff Bridge Street, March son u 19 carpenters son bn cambs, march
Elizabeth A Ruff Bridge Street, March daur u 17 dressmaker bn cambs, march
Robert M N Ruff Bridge Street, March son 15 carpenters son bn cambs, march
Daniel, Susanna and Daniel's 5 children emigrated December 1852 to Victoria, Australia, unassisted passage on board the “Persian” (info from Index to Unassisted Inward Passenger Lists to Victoria 1852 - 1923)
Possibles for Daniel's father ~
A death for an Isaac Ruff registered qtr June 1840 Whittlesey vol 14 page 97
There is also a Will listed for Isaac Ruff, senior, farmer of Arnold Street Whittlesey
(ref VC 56:64 1840 CW) in the Consistory Court of Ely Probate Records 1449 - 1858
Hope this helps and can tie in a few loose ends for you
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Thank you for the information. I know of this Ruff family, but to date have not been able to tie it into my family.