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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Kirkcudbrightshire => Topic started by: tomba on Wednesday 16 July 08 08:43 BST (UK)
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Im looking for this family in Kirkpatrick Durham, places mentioned are Nethertown, and Midpark. I have found the name with various spellings. I am also looking for someone to do some research over there can anyone help???
I am really stuck now
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Hi Tomba
You don't give dates, etc. but I'll check the MIs.
Re your more general question of research, it might be worth you contacting the Dumfries and Galloway FHS:
http://www.dgfhs.org.uk/
the Ewart Library:
http://www.culturalprofiles.net/scotland/units/3331.html
or the Kirkcudbright Museum:
http://www.dumfriesmuseum.demon.co.uk/stewmuse.html
Regards
Gadget
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From Kirkpatrick Durham MIs:
*John Milligan d.8 Feb 1881, aged 76. Wife Margaret McGuffog d. 14 April 1843, aged 36
*William McGuffog d. Mid-Park 10 June 1813, aged 84
Wife Agnes Hunter d. Chapelyard 25 April 1799, aged 72
James McGuffog, wife Margaret Riddick d. Mid-park 7 May 1812, aged 39
Robert McGuffog d. Nethertown 12 Sept 1827, aged 28
James McGuffog d. Kirkpatrick village 25 Nov 1853, aged 87
Wife Janet Welsh d. Kirkpatrick village 24 June 1866, aged 76
By James McGuffog fr (?farmer) in Netherton, 1825
The said James McGuffog, son James d. Castle Douglas 31 Jan 1885, aged 82 (wife Anne Broadfoot d. Cairnholly Kirkmabreck 15 Feb 1876, aged 72. Daughter Mary d. Castle Douglas 5 March 1924, aged 82)
*Robert McGirr d. Millpool 27 July 1827, aged 70
Wife Margaret McGuffog d. Kirkpatrick village 16 July 1832, aged 72
*James McGuffie late in Barmoffery d Kirkpatrick village 6 Dec 1803, aged 79
Wife Violet Grierson d. Kirkpatrick village 30 Dec 1811, aged 80
By son William, d. Lochhilll, Crossmichael 2 Feb 1837, aged 71
Wife Agnes Sloan d. Crossmichael village 24 Sept 1860, aged 87
Daughter Elizabeth d. Newlands, Crossmichael 30 Aug 1809, aged 1 yerar
Daughter Jean d. same place 20 June 1821, aged 22 months
The said William McGuffie, son William (Daughter Margaret d. Parton village 18 Nov 1835, aged 6 years 3 months. Daughter Mary Ann d. Glencroft, Twynholm 20 Aug 1870, aged 66. Daughter Margaret d. Glencroft 21 Aug 1870, aged 72)
Gadget
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Hi again :)
I've just seen your posting in Flintshire (another of my ancestral counties! ) and saw that Margaret's parents were:
From Kirkpatrick Durham MIs:
*William McGuffog d. Mid-Park 10 June 1813, aged 84
Wife Agnes Hunter d. Chapelyard 25 April 1799, aged 72
James McGuffog, wife Margaret Riddick d. Mid-park 7 May 1812, aged 39
Robert McGuffog d. Nethertown 12 Sept 1827, aged 28
James McGuffog d. Kirkpatrick village 25 Nov 1853, aged 87
Wife Janet Welsh d. Kirkpatrick village 24 June 1866, aged 76
By James McGuffog fr (?farmer) in Netherton, 1825
The said James McGuffog, son James d. Castle Douglas 31 Jan 1885, aged 82 (wife Anne Broadfoot d. Cairnholly Kirkmabreck 15 Feb 1876, aged 72. Daughter Mary d. Castle Douglas 5 March 1924, aged 82)
Gadget
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How far have you got with James and Anne's lines? I don't want to duplicate anything that you have.
Gadget
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Great to hear from you , thanks now I will do this in a few lots starting with William b 1729
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(1) 1. William McGuffog Of Kirkpatrick – 178 This is as far back as I have gone???
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Birth Date: About 1729
Birth Place: Of Kirkpatrick Parish
Death Date: 10 Jun 1813
Death Place: Aged 84 Midpark, Kirkpatrick Durham, Scotland
Burial Place: Durham, Cemetery Kirkpatrick Durham, Scotland
Spouse: Agnes Hunter – 179 ????
Birth Date: 1727
Death Date: 25 Apr 1799
Death Place: Aged 72 Years, Chapleyarn Kirkpatrick Durham
Burial Place: Durham Cemetery Kirkpatrick Durham
Spouse Father: Walter Hunter Of Corsock - 352 ?????
Marriage Date: 11 Sep 1766
Marriage Place: Hill Croft Of Corsock Parton, Kirkcudbright, Scotland
Children: James - 9
John - 813
Robert - 1675
William - 1670
Margaret - 199
Unnamed - 654
Elizabeth - 822
Robert - 180
(2) 1.1a James McGuffoge/McGuffog* - 9
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Birth Date: 1766
Birth Place:
Death Date: 25 Nov 1853
Death Place: Aged 87 Years, Kirkpatrick Village, Kirkcudbright, Scotland
Burial Place: Durham Churchyard, Kirkpatrick Durham
Occupation: Tenant In Nethertoun 1838
Spouse: Margaret Reddick Or Riddick - 10 daughter of ???????
Birth Date: About 1773
Death Date: 7 May 1812
Death Place: Aged 39 Years, Midpark, Kirkpatrick Durham, Scotland
Burial Place:
Marriage Date: 17 Nov 1796
Marriage Place: Haugh Bridge Bruittle, Kirkcudbright, Scotland
Children: Agnes - 182
William - 184
Unknown - 185
James - 7
Margaret - 186
Other Spouses Janet Welsh / Walsh - 181
(2) 1.1b James McGuffoge/McGuffog* - 9
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(See above)
Spouse: Janet Welsh / Walsh - 181
Birth Date: About 1785
Birth Place: Irongray Kirkcudbright, Scotland
Christen Place:
Death Date: 24 Jun 1866
Death Place: Aged 76 Years, Kirkpatrick Village, Kirkcudbright, Scotland
Burial Place: Durham Churchyard, Kirkpatrick Durham
Spouse Father: James Welsh - 1532
Spouse Mother: Jane Hughlam - 1587
Marriage Date: After 1812 ?????
Children: Jean (Jane) - 1006
Robert - 183
Other Spouses Margaret Reddick Or Riddick – 10
I AM NOT SURE IF THESE ARE CHILDREN OF JAMES AND MARGARET OR JAMES AND JANET INFORMATION I HAVE VARIES????
(2) 1.2 John McGuffoge Of Nethertown - 813
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Birth Date: About 1767
Birth Place: Nether Ironmonnoch (Not Sure Hard To Read)
Christen Date: 21 Mar 1767
Christen Place: Parton
Spouse: Mary Wilkison - 814
Birth Date: About 1780
Children: James - 1678
Nicholas - 815
William - 819
Margaret - 818
Mary - 817
Mathilda Douglas - 816
UNNAMED - 820
(2) 1.3 Robert McGuffog - 1675
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Birth Date: 5 Dec 1769
Birth Place: Nether Ironmonnoch, Parton, Kirkcudbright,
(2) 1.4 William Guffog - 1670
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Birth Date: 18 Jun 1777
Birth Place: Nether Errie, Parton, Kirkcudbright, Scotland
(2) 1.5 Margaret McGuffog - 199
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Birth Date: About 1779
Birth Place:
Death Date: 4 Apr 1813
Death Place: Kirkpatrick Durham
Spouse: UNNAMED - 200
(2) 1.6 Unnamed McGuffog - 654
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Birth Date: 21 Jan 1780
Birth Place: Craigude???? Parton, Kirkcudbright
(2) 1.7 Elizabeth McGuffoge Of Nethertown - 822
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Birth Date: About 1795
Birth Place: Nethertown Kirkpatrick Durham
Spouse: John Chalmers In Nethertown - 821
Birth Place: Lancashire
Marriage Date: 5 Jul 1814
Marriage Place: Bruittle, Kirkcudbright, Scotland
Children: No children found - 823
(2) 1.8 Robert McGuffog Single - 180
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Birth Date: 3 Apr 1799
Christen Date: 9 Apr 1799
Christen Place: Chapleyarn
Death Date: 12 Sep 1827
Death Place: Nethertown, Kirkpatrick Durham, Kirkcudbright, Scotland
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(1) 1. James McGuffie (McGuffog) - 7
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Birth Date: 1803
Christen Date: 5 Jun 1803
Christen Place: Dunjarg, Crossmichael, Kirkcudbright
Death Date: 31 Jan 1885
Death Place: Age 85 Years, Castle Douglas, Scotland
Burial Place: Durham Kirkpatrick
Occupation: Farmer In Nethertown Kirkpatrick Durham
Spouse: Anne Broadfoot - 8
Birth Date: 1806
Birth Place: Binttle, Kirkcudbright
Christen Date: 31 Jan 1806
Christen Place: Halketleaths, Buittle, Kirkcudbright, Scotland
Death Date: 15 Feb 1878
Death Place: Cairnholly Kirkmabreck Scotland
Spouse Father: Alexander (James) Broadfoot - 338 (1780-1856)
Spouse Mother: Ann Rigg - 339 (1780-1832)
Children: Alexander John - 196
Margaret - 201
Ann - 189
Mary - 191
James - 5
Agnes - 187
John - 188
Robert – 193
From an extract of entries in the Old parochial Registers of Births Deaths and Marriages in the parish of Crossmichael, in the County of Kirkcudbright Scotland, we find that James McGuffog was baptised on the 5th June 1803, lawful son of Jas McGuffog and Margt Riddick in Dunjarg
In the 1841 Census we find that James aged 35 a farmer is living at Nethertown, Kirkcudbrightshire, Scotland with his wife Ann aged 30, Alexander McGuffog aged 5 years, Margaret aged 3 years and Ann aged 1 year, along with three servants Robert Rae, Jean McKinnel, Margaret Clune, and Ann Beattie.
In the 1851 Census James aged 47 and his wife Ann aged 45 are living at Merkle Cocklick, Urr, Kirkcudbrightshire, Scotland, James is described as a labour of 260 acres employing 5 labourers.
Along with Alexander a son aged 15 years, born Kirkpatrick Durham. Margaret a daughter aged 13 years, born Lockrutton. Ann a daughter aged 11 years, born Kirkpatrick Durham. Mary a daughter aged 9 years, born Kirkpatrick Durham. James a son aged 5 years, born Kirkpatrick Durham. Agnes a daughter aged 4 years, born Kirkpatrick Durham. John a son aged 2 years, born Kirkpatrick Durham. Helen Broadfoot a visitor and scholar, aged 11 years, William Broadfoot a visitor and scholar, aged 9 years, along with Robert Brown aged 18 a farm servant, Maryanne? Aged 26 years a house servant, and Jannet? Aged 30 years a dairy maid
In the 1851 Census James aged 47 and his wife Ann aged 45 are living at Merkle Cocklick, Urr, Kirkcudbrightshire, Scotland, James is described as a labour of 260 acres employing 5 labourers.
Along with Alexander a son aged 15 years, born Kirkpatrick Durham. Margaret a daughter aged 13 years, born Lockrutton. Ann a daughter aged 11 years, born Kirkpatrick Durham. Mary a daughter aged 9 years, born Kirkpatrick Durham. James a son aged 5 years, born Kirkpatrick Durham. Agnes a daughter aged 4 years, born Kirkpatrick Durham. John a son aged 2 years, born Kirkpatrick Durham. Helen Broadfoot a visitor and scholar, aged 11 years, William Broadfoot a visitor and scholar, aged 9 years, along with Robert Brown aged 18 a farm servant, Maryanne? Aged 26 years a house servant, and Jannet? Aged 30 years a dairy maid
In the 1861 Census the family name is given as “McGuffey” James a Farmer living at Merkle Cocklick, Urr, Kirkcudbrightshire, Scotland, aged 68 along with his wife Annie aged 55, his sons, James aged 15, James aged 13, John aged 11, Robert aged 8 and daughter Mary aged 19. The James McGuffey age 13 that is described as a daughter I am guessing is Agnes. Along with the family is 4 servants, Agness Mallar a dairy maid, James McGemes a ploughman, Jannet McQueen a servant and Jessie Stewart a domestic servant.
In the 1871 Census The family name is still “McGuffey” James is of Cairnholly Farm, Kirkmabreck, Kirkcudbrightshire, Scotland. A farmer aged 66 years, his wife Anne a farmers wife, Mary his daughter, Anne Thomson his grand daughter and scholar aged 11, Mary Baxter also described as his granddaughter, aged13 working as a servant, and George Dow, a farm servant.
This one here is confusing as I am not sure if where the Mary Baxter (Grandaughter) fits in or if it’s a mistake it seems to be a mistake
In the 1881 Census, The family is found here under the name “McGuppog” James is listed as living at the dwelling Dirdow in the parish of Girthon, Kirkcubright, Scotland. Aged 77, a widow and retired farmer. His birthplace is given as Crossmichael Kirkcudbright Scotland.
Also at the dwelling is Lilly McGuffog a grand daughter aged 3 born Limrick Ireland. Margaret McGuffog a daughter married aged 27 born Limrick Ireland described as a visitor. Mary McGuffog aged 35 and described as an unmarried daughter born Kirkpatrick Durham, Kirkcudbright, Scotland. Annie Thomson an unmarried Grand daughter aged 20 and a dressmaker born Tongland, Kirkcudbright Scotland. Herbert T Thomson a grandson and scholar aged 14 born Flintshire, and Robert E Thomson a grandson and apprentice engineer aged 14 born Flintshire.
This one here is also confusing I’m not sure who the Lilly McGuffog (granddaughter ) is nor the Margaret McGuffog both born Limrick Ireland?
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(2) 1.1 Alexander John McGuffog - 196 son of James and Annie
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Birth Date: 26 Dec 1835
Birth Place: Nethertown, Kirkpatrick Durham, Kirkcudbright
Death Date: 19 Jan 1908
Death Place: Kirkpatrick Durham, Kirkcudbright
Occupation: Farmer
Spouse: Mary Reed Marjoribanks - 197
Birth Date: 1837
Birth Place: Dumfries, Middlebie, Scotland
Christen Date: 4 Jun 1837
Christen Place: Middlebie, Dumfries, Scotland
Death Place:
Spouse Father: James Marjaribank - 1235 (1806-)
Spouse Mother: Elizabeth Bell - 1236 (1816-)
Marriage Date: 30 Oct 1855
Marriage Place: Urr, Kirkcudbright, Scotland
Children: Annie - 305
Elizabeth - 306
Mary – 314
In the 1841 Census Alexander is found living with his parents, at Nethertown, in the Civil Parish of Kirkpatrick Durham, in the County of Kirkcudbrightshire, aged 5 his name is given as Alexander McGuffey. He is living with his parents James and Ann McGuffey along with his sisters Margaret and Ann,
In the 1851 Census Alexander is found living with his parents, at Meikle Cocklick Two Labarous Not In Mater in the Civil Parish of Urr, in the County of Kirkcudbrightshire, aged 15 his name is Given as Alexander McGuffey
In the 1861 Census Alexander described as being Farmer Of 500 Acres Employing 5 Lab aged 25 years. His birth is given as abt 1836 being born at Kirkpatrick, Kirkbrightshire, Scotland. His address is given as Cairnholy in the Civil parish of Kirkmabreck in the County of Kirkcudbrightshire. His name is given as Alexander McGuffoy. He is living with his Wife Mary, aged 23 born abt 1838, Annie his daughter, aged 5 born abt 1856, Elizabeth daughter aged 11 months born abt 1860. Along with 5 servants, Henry Diamond, a Shepherd, James McGeoch and Joseph Cochrine Ploughmen, and Cathrine Hanna a Dairy Maid, and Margaret Callander a Housemaid.
In the 1871 Census In the 1881 Census Alexander McGuffog is described as being Farmer 200 Ac, aged 34 years. His birth is given as abt 1837 being born at Kirkpatrick Durham, Kirkbtshire, Scotland. His address is given as Kirkmuir Farm, in the civil parish of Kirkmabreck in the County of Kirkcudbrightshire. He is living with his Wife Mary, born abt 1839, Annie his daughter, aged 15 born abt 1856, Elizabeth daughter aged 10 born abt 1861, and Mary his daughter aged 8 years, born abt 1863. Along with David Murray a visitor, and Jane Edger, working as a Dairy Maid
In the 1881 Census Alexander McGuffog is described as being Farmer 200 Ac. 90 Arable Employing 1 Man aged 44 years. His birth is given as abt 1837 being born at Bridge of Urr, Kirkcudbrightshire, Scotland. His address is given as Kirkmuir, in the Civil parish of Kirkmabreck in the County of Kirkcudbrightshire. He is living with his Wife Mary, born abt 1839, Annie his daughter, aged 24 born abt 1857, Elizabeth daughter aged 20 born abt 1861, and Mary his daughter aged 18 years, born abt 1863. Also listed as living with the family is Andrew Rae aged 18 years working as a general servant, and James M Robertson aged 7 a Nephew, born at Dalbeattie, Kirkcudbrightshire, abt 1874
In the 1891 Scottish Census, Alexander McGuffog is described as being a retired farmer, aged 55 years living at Doon Park, in the Civil Parish of Colvend in the County Kirkcudbrightshire. Living with his wife Mary aged 53 born abt 1838 at Middlebie Dumfries, Annie his eldest daughter aged 28 born abt 1863 at Urr, Kirkcudbright, Elesbeth aged 25 daughter, born abt 1866 at Kirkmabreck, Kirkcudbright, and Mary aged 22 daughter, born abt 1869
In the 1901 Census Alexander McGuffog is described as being a retired farmer aged 62; His birth year here is given as abt 1839. His address is given as Victoria Street, in the Civil Parish of Kirkpatrick Durham, in the County of Kirkcudbrightshire. He is living with his daughter Elizabeth aged 31.
It would appear from this census that Mary his wife is deceased.
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I'm not sure what other information you're looking for. I see that your earliest is 1729. The Kirkpatrick Durham registers start at 1693/4 with some gaps. There are some possible baptisms for this William between 1730-1735 in Girthon, Anworth and Dumfries.
There are quite a few Wills on the Scotlands People website using all the variations of the name - not all will be yours and there residence is varied.
To go further than this you will certainly need some local and/or Edinburgh research. I think the contacts that I listed on my first message might be the way forward.
Regards
Gadget
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I have checked out the William's on the site Scotland's People, I haven't been able to fit them in, and the wills I have found in relation to the people I have don't give me any indication.
I have little info on the other children of William and Agnes Hunter. Every where I go now seems to hit brick walls.
I would also like to know about their life. Farmer at Nethertown, did he own land etc. where can I go to find out these things, Midpark is that a village of property?? Nether Ironmonnoch, Nether Errie, Parton, that sort of stuff
I can not find any record of James marriage to janet Welsh or about her. Margaret Riddick I guess any thing that can give me some more info in relation to this family I can not find any thing about Walter Hunter of Corsock. I haven't had a chance to check out the other websites you sent me but I will do that over the next few days. As you said I thing my only options here are to get a researcher of better still visit scotland my self I rather like that idea. ::)
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Tomba.
I've hesitated about adding this information to your posting as the information there is very complicated. But you have asked for information about the McGuffog family.
I was reading the kirk sessions for Parton/Corsock and was particularly interested in my 3 g grandmother's own widowed mother Margaret Shaw. From 1839 on wards Margaret falls upon very hard times and has to make an application to the parish for poor support. She is given a paltry amount to exist on. However, in April 1845 there is an entry in the poor relief records that Margaret is given board to pay to Mr /Wm Guffog. This payment is for about a month's period than the information goes back to the basics about her fortnightly allowance.
I wonder if this is the McGuffog family? By 1851 she is living with her granddaughter and new family in Parton.
Hope this is more of a help than a hindrance.
J.A.
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thanks for that I would at a guess say there is some connection, I have found reference to the name spelt that way.
I have found reference another families of McGuffogs in Parton but have not been able to make a connection. My William b abt 1729? married Agnes Hunter in Parton in 1766 died 1813 Kirkpatrick Durham did have a son William i know nothing about it could be him.
there was also another John McGuffog married Janet McClune in 1765 also in Parton but I have made not connection he had a daughter Mary in 1767
In 1772 another John married Ann Levingston in parton
on the 4th April 1766 a William married a Helen Johnston, My William married Agnes 11 September 1766 Its all very confusing really
Jenny
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Tomba, thanks for sharing your wealth of information. John McGuffog married Janet McClune 1765 Parton caught my eye because of my own McClune, McMurrie, Shaw connections. Here is another reference: Testament of John McMurrie given in Airds 24 February 1680. John McMurrie and Euphin? Elspeth? (looks like Eugte in secretary hand) Fairness or Fairend, had a daughter, Janet, spouse to John McGuffock in Bar(l)greddan. One son, Geog (sic) McGuffock also in Bar(l)greddan. It appears that Airds at that time was owned by "laird John McClellan" in Bankend, who signed the Testament. It is very difficult to decipher and contains an inventory of the property leased? and John McMurrie's bequests to his spouse, daughter, and John McGuffock. Several other names of people in Rerrick, Auchencairn, Barlocco, Abay, and Edinghame are also mentioned. If nothing else, this provides a timeframe ::)
Scatza
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Ooops, both McGuffock's referred to in my post were named George.
Scatza
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These are probably not the same McGuffog family, but any information would be gratefully received. The earliest I know of is David McGuffog, married to a Margaret Mains, in Craigs, Balmaclellan. In 1760 there was a daughter, Sarah, later known as Sarah Maria, followed by a Jane and a Katrine (born 1766).
By the 1780s all three daughters are in Jamaica, where Jane marries (1786) a John Rutherford, a Kingston merchant who by 1805 is in Marylebone in London. Katherine/Katrine in 1793 marries (from Jamaica) William Duff, a merchant in Nicholas Lane, London but living later in Shoreditch. Duff and Rutherford were close - the Duffs named a son John Rutherford Duff. Sarah in Jamaica had married someone called Leigh whom I cannot trace. In 1796, recorded as Sarah Maria Leigh, a widow, she remarries a John Forsyth, described as "planter," who seems to have been active in the parish of St Mary, though she seems to have owned the plantation called Leighfield in St George, which seems to have been their home. Forsyth is dead by 1810, but Sarah can still be traced at Leighfield until the mid 1830s.
All three women are remembered in the will of James McGuffog, a very successful draper in Stamford, Lincolnshire, who dies in 1828. Robert Owen had once been his apprentice. His brother, John, also in Stamford, describing himself as "gentleman" died in 1825. There is no mention of kinship, yet both James and John McGuffog are clearly also from Balmaclellan, which is mentioned in both their wills
It seems likely that David McGuffog was a tenant in Craigs, which seems to have been in the hands of a Gordon family in the 1760s. There doesn't seem to be any likely link to Jamaica to throw light on the story.
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A small piece of information in respect of your James McGuffog,( draper in Stamford ).
There is a Memorial inside Balmaclellan church that reads,
"To the memory of James McGuffog esquire late of Stamford in the county
of Lincoln who died in 1829 having bequeathed to the minister and elders
of Balmaclellan for the time being the sum of £300 to be by them appropriated
for the benefit of the poor of the parish".
Rgds Matt
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Many thanks - this is in his will, I think, though it's nice to know they were grateful. So far I still can't find a reliable birth record for him or his brother, and certainly not in Balmaclellan. I don't know how old he was at his death, but his will, written a bit before it, is formidably detailed. He was clearly in full possession of his faculties and then some.