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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Fife => Topic started by: dawnone on Wednesday 16 July 08 09:27 BST (UK)
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Looking for the family of my grandmother, Bridget Murray Gorman or "Betty" , Born Dec. 30, 1898 Lochgelly, Scotland (or Cowdenbeath. She emigrated to Canada in 1924. Her family heritage was Irish Catholic, from County Cork on the maternal side.
Her mother's name was Reilly, I believe, (not sure of the spelling) and she died age 42 of dropsy. Bridget had a younger sister, "Peg" (Elizabeth) who emigrated to the Bronx, New York. Their father (Gorman) remarried and had at least 2 children with the second wife.
I would like to learn what became of them, and also find the name of my great grandmother's family, to try and trace their Irish origins. Can anyone help or offer suggestions?
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Dawnone, welcome to the fife board.
Sp has the birth of bridget as:
Bridget Murray Gorman b. 30/12/1898 28 south street, lochgelly, Auchterderran.
Father: Edward Gorman coal miner
Mother: Bridget Gorman m.s. Reilly
married 31/12/1897 Auchterderran
suspect the Murray will come from a surname poss. mothers mother
Diddy
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on A.:
1901 census:
Bridget Gorman Head.age 22 b. lochgelly (1879)
Bridget Gorman dau. 2 b. lochgelly (1898)
living at 30 High St,Auchterderran
from this: 1881 census:
Michael Reilly h. 46 b. ireland (1835)
Bridget Reilly w.36 b. ireland (1845)
Mary " d. 5 Auchterderran (1876)
Bridget " 3 Auchterderran (1878)
Catherine " 7mth Kinghorn (1880)
Diddy
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Cannot find bridgets(1879) death but have:
2nd marriage:
feb 18th 1921 lochgelly
Edward Gorman coal miner. widower father:James Gorman coalminer decd
mother:catherine Gorman m.s Bolon? decd
living at 77 hall st,lochgelly
to Catherine Short widow father: bernard Short c.miner decd
Mother:Helen Short ms. O'Rourke decd
Diddy
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:) Hi DiddyMiller! Thank-you so much for all the effort you've put into this- My father would have been so happy, as he tried for years to find any information on his family, to no avail. My grandmother did once tell me the name of her Irish family from Cork, but the paper it was written on was lost and I've been trying to learn it ever since. That is the only thing I'm still missing, but now with the family names in Scotland known, that should help.
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LDS:
marriage of Michael Reilly & Bridget Murray
12/2/1872 Kirkcaldy
Diddy
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Hello dawnone,
Welcome to RootsChat! We're all here waiting and ready to help :D
Diddy has provided much information.
However, it's fun to do one's own research :)
The 'sticky' at the top of the Scotland General board should help you in general terms. See:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,24468.0.html
ScotlandsPeople at:
http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/
is a very useful site (it's pay per view but charges are reasonable).
The IGI (International Genealogical Index) at:
http://www.familysearch.org
is another great (free) site and is especially useful for Scottish civil registration records from 1855 to about 1874..
Diddy's reference to the marriage of Michael and Ann presumably comes from there.
A parent search (put Michael REILLY in the father box, Bridget MURRAY in the mother box, select British Isles as the region) on that site brings up one child - Ann REILLY b 10 Nov 1873, Auchterderran, Fife, Scotland.
Incidentally, it's a good idea to post all the information/queries about one family on one thread so RootsChatters don't duplicate searches. Or, at least, give cross-references to other relevant threads ;D
All the very best,
JAP
Another thread about this family:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,315208
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before i go on holiday - a photo :
memorial to the victims of the potato famine:
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Dawnone
Are you able to e-mail me please. I believe we have a link in our family tree. Your gr grandad was my gr grandads brother.
Moderator comment: e-mail address removed to prevent spamming and other abuses. Please exchange e-mail addresses by personal message where possible.
Are you on GenesReunited?
Hopefully speak soon
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Hi Steven-
I sent you an email with my email address on it. Please write!
This site http://www.dawnone.com/adman.html contains photos of my family, though I haven't any of my grandfather, Edward Gorman, as of yet. My mother remembers seeing one, but I think it has disappeared.
The attached photos are:
April 7, 1955 Wedding day of Edward James Hammond (my father) in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
(L-R) Edward (groom), Betty (mother) and Ralph (brother) Hammond
1988 Bridget Murray Gorman (married name Hammond, known as Betty) at age 90 in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Thanks!
Linda
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Edward's mother, Betty Hammond (nee Bridget Murray Gorman),
Age 27, Winnipeg, 1925
Last photo of Daddy and I, Sept., 2000
Toronto Islands
L-R Linda Dawn Hammond, Edward James Hammond
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I have e-mailed you Dawn
Steven
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I was just in Lochgelly for the day back in March. I finally got to visit the town where by grandmother was born! The photos are on my Flickr set https://www.flickr.com/photos/dawnone/sets/72157644472378132/ and there are additional sets of Scotland, Glasgow and Edinburgh there as well. I unfortunately didn't have the opportunity to finally meet my cousin, Steven Gorman of Inverness, due to a family emergency, but hope to on a future trip.
I discovered further information regarding the family upon my return, and just today found a family tree my late grandmother provided among my papers!!
http://www.scottishmining.co.uk/Indexes/1889deaths.html
http://users.zetnet.co.uk/mmartin/fifepits/starter/central/pits/c/pit-1.htm
Dunfermline Saturday Press"
2 March, 1889
Michael Reilly, a platelayer, was killed at Cowdenbeath Colliery, yesterday. He had been engaged in mining repairs on a waggon road near the coal-washing machine, when a loaded waggon approached him and knocked him down. His body was thrown across the rails, and the vehicle passed over one of his legs, causing such injuries that the man died in a few minutes afterwards.
Just discovered through the wonders of the internet how my great-great grandfather, Michael Reilly or Rielly (paternal side) died... though it was probably on Feb. 25, 1889 that this occurred. He left behind a wife and at least 3 young children. Both he and his wife were born in Ireland, but were living in Fife, Scotland. His wife, Bridget, was from County Mayo and was 14 years old when the potato famine killed their parents. She and 2 smaller siblings, the only surviving members of their farming family, had made their way to the coal mining region of Lochgelly, Fife, which I just visited on my Europe/UK trip, hoping to find their gravestones in the cemetery. I expect they were too poor to have one erected, as there was no-one by that name, or any of my other family names, Murray and Gorman, in the old section of the graveyard, which is quite devoid of markers. Perhaps Michael Reilly is buried in Cowdenbeath. I left flowers on the stone at the entrance of the old graveyard in Lochgelly. I had already lit candles for my grandmother and her family in St.Patrick's Roman Catholic Church upon arriving.
http://www.failteromhat.com/southernstar/page10.php
Report of her husband's death in the "Dunfermline Saturday Press"
"2 March, 1889. Michael Reilly, a platelayer, was killed at Cowdenbeath Colliery, yesterday. He had been engaged in mining repairs on a waggon road near the coal-washing machine, when a loaded waggon approached him and knocked him down. His body was thrown across the rails, and the vehicle passed over one of his legs, causing such injuries that the man died in a few minutes afterwards."
Her daughter Bridget Rielly/ Reilly (Oct.24, 1878 - Dec.5, 1918) died of dropsy. She is my grandmother's mother. She married Edward Gorman (April 12, 1878- 1942) and they had 2 daughters. My grandmother, Bridget "Betty" Murray Gorman (born in Lochgelly, Dec. 30, 1898) married Ralph Easton Hammond in Winnipeg, Canada. Her only sister was Margaret "Peg" Gorman (April 12, 1901). Margaret married William Walsh in Bronx, NY, USA and had 7 children. May, James, Edward (died of polio), Margaret, Helen (who died age 27 and left a child, Wally), Billy and Alfred.