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My great great grandfather, Thomas Fryer, was born, in #, County #, Ireland, about 1810.
He married my great great grandmother, Ellen (Fryer), in Wellington, Shropshire, England, about 1833.
She was born, in #, County #, Ireland, about 1813.
Their first child, John Fryer, who later became a writing clerk, in Burslem, Staffordshire, England, was born, in Kinsale, County Cork, Ireland, in 1836.
Their second child, Robert Fryer, who later became a manager of a wholesale hatter, in Aston, Warwickshire, England, was born, in Kinsale, County Cork, Ireland, about 1838.
The next three children were born in Wellington, Shropshire, England, and the final two children were born either in Wellington, Shropshire, England or, possibly, in Dorrington, Shropshire, England.
In 1838, Thomas Fryer became an excise man.
This, however, does not explain his earlier mobility.
I have been unable to determine his earlier ancestry.
Recently, however, I noticed that there were at least four other Fryers, three of them in and around Derby, Derbyshire, England, who were also excise men.
Although my father’s third given name, Derby, was, ostensibly, bestowed, when he was born, in 1915, in honour of Edward George Villiers Stanley, the seventeenth Earl of Derby, I have begun to wonder whether my grandfather and great grandfather were also honouring family roots in and around Derby, Derbyshire, England.
James Fryer, Supervisor of Excise, of Uttoxeter, Staffordshire, England, about fifteen miles West of Derby, Derbyshire, England, died about 1808.
John Fryer, Officer of Excise, of Spring Gardens, Derby, Derbyshire, England was born about 1784, and he died on November 12, 1846.
His wife was Mary (Fryer).
William Fryer, Officer of Excise, of Derby, Derbyshire, England, became an excise man in 1843.
His wife, Lydia (Fryer), died, on January 07, 1855, at Wood End, near Strabane, County Tyrone, Ireland.
Another John Fryer, of #, #, England (?), became an excise man in 1855.
As they had an occupation in common, these Derbyshire Fryers may be related to my great great grandfather, Thomas Fryer, which would help me determine his earlier ancestors.
Thank you, very much, in advance, for any information that you are able to provide.
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Hi
I was interested to note your search.
M y great Grandmother was Emily (Elizabeth) Pentland née Fryer who was born in Ireland (I always thought at Camus Juxta Mourne which is in Co. Tyrone but now forms part of Strabane) on 1st December 1854 (1911 C confirms though some records suggested it was 1851!)
She married my Gt Grandfather, J G Pentland, on 22nd October 1870 at Shankill Church, Lurgan, Armagh, Ireland.
The same Census shows her brother Robert, then aged 80, was visiting her at the date of the Census and that he was 80, born in Antrim (ergo in 1830).
She had a relative known as Emmy Fryer who lived in Edinburgh as a live in nurse/confidant to a wealthy householder who left her comfortably off, so that she would visit the Midland family every few years and we were all expected to call upon her. I can only recall her as an elderly lady in the 1950s or 60s so say 70+? She would have been born in the last 30 years of the 19th century and again in Ulster we assume, though htere was said to be a Dunoon connection.
I have a picture of Emily with some of her then adult chidren in the 1930s.
Her parents were - I thought - a William and a Lydia?
Colin
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Interesting will in the Cork Archives:
Fryer Will U308
Last Will and Testament of Thomas Fryer, Belfast. 30. 9. 1843.
Refers inter alia to property in Kinsale.
Brendan
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Hi
I saw the earlier note to that effect but as yet I cant see the connection or access to the Will on line?
My connection may be Robert Fryer because my Grt Grandmother, Emily Pentland née Fryer, who lived in the general Aston Ecclesiastical Parish which is and was in 1911 a part of Birmingham (Proper original name is Aston Juxta Birmingham), as I said had an 80 year old brother staying as a visitor on the night of the 1911 census. He was Robert Fyer a widower born 'in Atrim, Ireland in 1831.
Emily was 23 years younger than her brother and said she was born in Armagh, Ireland.
Any thoughts?
Colin
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Hi Colin,
It is not available online, if you Google using www.google.ie you will find it also a fair bit on a Charles Fryer who lived in Kinsale.
Brendan
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Colin,
Thank you, very much, for your information, which was new to me, about Emily Elizabeth Fryer Pentland.
It seems that her parents could be the same William Fryer, Officer of Excise, of Derby, Derbyshire, England, and Lydia (Fryer) that I have previously, tenuously, identified as possible relatives of mine.
However, it is not yet clear whether they are actually related to my great great grandfather, Thomas Fryer, excise officer, who was born somewhere in Ireland, his son, Robert Fryer, who was born in Kinsale, County Cork, about 1838, and Major General John Fryer who was the Officer in Command, Cork Military District, Cork, County Cork, from October 01, 1893.
Another interesting aspect of your information is that Emily Elizabeth Fryer Pentland was living in Aston, Birmingham, Warwickshire, as were my immediate ancestors.
The large number, in the Midlands, of, at this time, seemingly unrelated Fryer family branches is a complicating factor in our ability to “stitch the family quilt”.
I have entered your information into my Legacy Family Tree 5.0 Fryer family database.
Regards, R. Paul R. Fryer
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My Granduncle was also an Excise officer before they became the Customs & Excise, he had children in Bandon, Co. Cork, Fermoy Co. Cork, Stourport in Warwickshire and Liverpool in Lancashire, he worked in Liverpool at their Training College.
I understand that the National Archives in Kew have full records for Excise employees, I look forward to researching them.
If someone gets there before me, I am researching Charles John McCarthy and his son Denis Finbar McCarthy who lived early 1900's in Everton, Liverpool.
Sorry is that the team that beat Man Utd this weekend in a penalty shootout.
Brendan
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Have a photo of a Fryer vault at St. Multose church Kinsale which I took yesterday. The names are Henry C Fryer d 28 Oct 1892 and his wife Mary Eleanor d 23 Dec 1923.
Unable to attach photo as it says file too large, if you want to send me a PM with your email address I can send it to you.
Mary
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Photo as promised
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Hi Mary
Thank you for that.
I have been able to download it so no worries there.
Do you know any more on this family?
My links are Emily (now thought to be Emily Elizabeth) Fryer (variously spelled!) and her brother Robert who visited her very conveniently at the time of the 1911 Census - he was a widower and was aged 80 born in Antrim.
Colin
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Coincidence ?
Irish Genealogy shows
A Thomas Fryer of Fisher St and Ellen Murphy getting married 20 Sep 1834 in Kinsale.R Catholic
Two births in Fisher St
Robert 3 Sep 1837
Catherine 12 Feb 1839
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Maybe but my Robert was born 1831... according to his 1911 Census entry!
Colin
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Re the death on the headstone 1892
Calendar of wills shows
Henry Charles Fryer late of Kinsale died 26 Oct 1892 to Charles George Fryer of Winmondhaun,Norfolk a Clerk and Catherine Fryer spinster of Cambridge Road,Rathmines,Dublin. effects 2,518 pounds 15s 2d
Possibly Catherine Fryer age 45 at 173 Palmerston Rd on 1901 Census Dublin.
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Hi Guys,
...a year later... I have pretty well fathomed out that my Emily Elizabeth Fryer born 1851 decd 1935 was NOT the daughter of William Fryer and his wife Lydia from Brecon/Radnor.
That William was not the William Fryer who joined the Excise in 1843 (I have his enrolment papers) but they included nothing of his postings - I still hope I will find he was in Strabane in 1851-4....
I have also fathomed out that Robert Fryer b Antrim 1831 was the son of Samuel Fryer and Eliza probably of Aghalee Townland just south of Shankill. Robert married Margaret Bell in Shankill Church Lurgan and they moved to Coatbridge, Lanark where they had a big family.
Aghalee was full to busting of Fryers, Friers, Fryars and Friars (the vicar must have been hard of hearing or the Family were not clearly spoken!) The adjoining Townlands in Antrim, those immediately adjoining in Armagh and Down also have these family names and this is also where my Pentland Family lived.
Emily welcomed Robert to her Family home in Birmingham for the 1911 census where he is described as Brother in Law (JGP her husband filled it in so he thinks Robert is her brother - difficult but not impossible - he has a brother born 1851 in Aghalee but not a sister....;-)
So I am starting again on this William Fryer born St Marys Parish Nottingham 1821.....anyone else with knowledge or interest in any of these families access to the Diaries of the Excise Dept at NA from 1844 on.... I hope to hear from you!
Colin
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PROGRESS.....
I have found through a new (PF) source a copy of my Emily's marriage details of 1870. It tells that her father was Samuel.....!
So she may be a sister of Robert b 1831 whose parents were Sam & Eliza.
Then I found a Sam at about the same time married an Ellen in the same geographical area of Ulster.
I have births for a number of children for each of these marriages and it is possible that its the same Samuel with a second marriage....
One of Sam & Elizas children (Robt born 1831) was born in 1851 so Emily may not be too late!
Then I found the record of Emilys death and her age is given such that she cannot have been born as early as 1851.
So I now have files of pdfs for Fryers in Wales, Ireland, Scotland and a few individuals in England + those whose maiden names were Fryer....
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Good Morning/Afternoon ladies and gents,
I have just stumbled across this forum and was excited to discover this thread in particular. It appears that we may be related in a very remote way.
My surname is "Freyer", however this surname evolved from the Fryer family in Kinsale in the early 1800's. It appears as though some of the family adopted Freyer while others stayed with Fryer.
I am not sure exactly how to respond to all the posts at once but together I think we can put this together and swap some very relevant information. I have extracts from the Church of Ireland records from Kinsale that has helped me put the Fryer/Freyer tree together to some degree but still need help filling in the gaps. Of course I am more than happy to share this.
One particular entry of note was the birth of Thomas Fryer on 24 Feb 1809 in Kinsale to Josiah/Joseph and Catherine Fryer. I believe that Josiah/Joseph Fryer and Catherine McDonnell were married in 1807.
Steve
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Steve,
Thank you, very much, for the information about Thomas Fryer, born in Kinsale, County Cork, Ireland, son of Josiah/Joseph Fryer and Catherine McDonnell.
Is the given name ambiguity due to an abbreviation?
Until about 15:00 on Tuesday, January 05, 2016, when I first read your recent post, I had no Current Best Candidates for my great great great grandparents.
The information does not seem to be available online, possibly due to the records lost, in the Four Courts fire, in Dublin, County Dublin, Ireland, on June 30, 1922.
Getting more, supporting, information will continue to be difficult.
My great great grandparents, Thomas Fryer and Ellen Murphy, were both born somewhere in Ireland, and were married, on September 20, 1834, in Kinsale, County Cork, Ireland, possibly in St. Multose parish, which is given as his parish in the text of his 1838 Excise entry papers.
My great grandparents were Henry Joseph Fryer and Jane Griffiths.
Henry was christened, on March 19, 1843, in Wellington, Shropshire, England.
There is also a record of Thomas Fryer marrying Ellen #. about 1833, in Wellington, Shropshire, England.
Henry’s siblings included John, Robert, Thomas, Catherine, Mary A., and James.
Thomas, the father, may have had a brother, John Fryer, who was born, in 1812 or 1813, in Kinsale, County Cork, Ireland.
His wife, Mary A. #, was born, in 1824 or 1825, in Shoreditch, Middlesex, England.
Their son, Robert, was born, in 1845 or 1846, in #, County Cork, Ireland.
They moved to Hoxton New Town, St. Leonard, Shoreditch, London, Middlesex, England.
May the universe notice you!
Regards, R(ichard). Paul R(edmayne). Fryer, infovore
Victoria, the capital of the province of British Columbia
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Have you seen the records on www.familysearch.org several records for Fryer/Fraher and other variations
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/results?count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3Afryer~%20%2Bany_place%3A%22cork%20ireland%22~&collection_id=1408347
if you have trouble with above link just go into www.familysearch.org and go into Ireland and key in Fryer and "any" for records and the above are the results.
There is a photo of a Fryer tomb at St. Multose graveyard in Kinsale on historic graves.com
Link
http://historicgraves.com/st-multose-s/co-mult-0128/grave
Another Fryer memorial in Kilcreadan, Ladysbridge which is in East Cork about 40 miles from Kinsale.
http://historicgraves.com/kilcredan/co-klcd-0050/grave
I also came across a Fryer headstone at Old Church cemetery in Cobh (formerly Queenstown).
I don't have any connection to Fryers.Liberty
Mary
Celtic Liberty
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Have you seen the records on www.familysearch.org several records for Fryer/Fraher and other variations
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/results?count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3Afryer~%20%2Bany_place%3A%22cork%20ireland%22~&collection_id=1408347
if you have trouble with above link just go into www.familysearch.org and go into Ireland and key in Fryer and "any" for records and the above are the results.
There is a photo of a Fryer tomb at St. Multose graveyard in Kinsale on historic graves.com
Link
http://historicgraves.com/st-multose-s/co-mult-0128/grave
Another Fryer memorial in Kilcreadan, Ladysbridge which is in East Cork about 40 miles from Kinsale.
http://historicgraves.com/kilcredan/co-klcd-0050/grave
I also came across a Fryer headstone at Old Church cemetery in Cobh (formerly Queenstown).
I don't have any connection to Fryers.Liberty
Mary
Celtic Liberty
Thanks Mary, that's fantastic, they are certainly part of of my family group.
Steve
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Thanks for the information Richard, you are certainly helping me fill in some gaps.
The Church of Ireland records for Kinsale are very feint and difficult, if not impossible, to read in some instances.
As per these records Joseph and Catherine had the following Children:
- Thomas Fryer Baptised 24 Feb 1809
- Henry Fryer Baptised 7 May 1817
No record of a "John" in 1812/13 but this is very probable considering the gap between Thomas and Henry and the fact that the record may have been illegible. What information do you have that makes you believe there may have been a John?
The Diocese of Cork and Ross archives record Josiah Fryer marrying Catherine McDonnell in 1807. For my purposes I have assumed that they are the parents of the above. I could very well be wrong but the dates fit and given the frequency of misspelling of names and/or the feint parish records I have taken that leap for now
Most of the information I have relied upon has been taken from a written report done by a researcher approx 15 years ago. If you pm your email address I am more than happy to send this info to you.
Kind Regards,
Steve