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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Sussex => England => Sussex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: kerryb on Monday 21 July 08 12:00 BST (UK)
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Hi
I am trying to connect a James Carey with the Carey's in my tree. I know he married Phoebe Boys in 1803 in Hooe.
According to a member submitted record on the IGI he is the son of Mary Badcock and John Carey born 1781 but this is not substantiated by any extracted records.
All mary and John's children were baptised in Hooe and I have them all.
Can anyone find the baptism record of James and who his parents were?
Kerry
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Hi Kerry,
There are a couple of trees on a------y which names parents as John and Mary Badcock.
May be worth a look. :) :) :)
Sue
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Hi Sue
Trouble is I think they might all be from the one member submitted. No one has any sources to prove one way or the other.
However Toni* has found an IGI extracted record for a James baptised 1781 in Buxted, Sussex which could be the right one. It may have been related to the Hooe Careys, hence why he was in that area when he married Phoebe Boys.
Thank you for looking anyway and I'm off to relook at the trees on A******y
Kerry
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I think my theory about him going to relatives may be closer to the truth. The father of the James in Buxted is William.
John who I thought was James's father has a brother William baptised in 1739 in Hooe. I wonder whether he is father to James and he went to Buxted.
Hmmm
Kerry
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Kerry did you see the photos on one of the trees? Had you got it already?
Sue :) :)
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Hi Sue
No I didn't see the pictures, I don't have full access only to the free bits of the site.
Kerry
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Hi,
I have just received the death certificates for Phoebe and James Carey I am looking to understand who their parents are. Who is the father of James is it William?
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Welcome to Rootschat Trainman ;D
What are the details of their deaths?
I have just checked the baptism database on the SFHG website and the only James Carey that comes up for baptism between 1760 and 1786 is the son of William of Buxted:
baptised 29 July 1781 at Buxted to William and Mary Carey
So it would seem the member submitted records are probably wrong. ::)
Kerry
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Unfortunately on the database the Hooe records only go up to 1725 so I can't check the baptism for Phoebe who I suspect was born there.
Kerry :-\
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Hi
I come from New Zealand and descend from James & Phoebe Carey's line. I would be interested in whatever you may have found out for James & Phoebe Carey and his other siblings if that would be possible. We have had the tree done and "passed" around family members here for a number of years but have recently discovered the error that has been made as well. Our tree has also had James coming from John & Mary when in fact we discovered James had come from William.
So anything that you might be able to share would be great.
Thanks, Raeleen
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Any luck?
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Hi Raeleen and Carol
I have since I started this thread back in 2008, found that James is not in my direct line so haven't done any more research on him.
However I am pretty sure that the trees on Ancestry are all complete %(£(£(£ He was not the son of John and Mary Badcock.
On the Sussex Family History Group (very worth joining if you have family in Sussex and very cheap) database there is a James Carey baptised 29 July 1781 to William and Mary Carey.
It could be that this William is the same William I have on my tree baptised in Hooe in 1739, son of Thomas and Elizabeth Wenham. However Careys are quite common in Sussex. Also baptised in Buxted to William and Mary are:
Sarah 26 December 1769
Mary 27 October 1771
William 25 May 1774
Mary 25 May 1774
John 23 June 1776
Thomas 26 March 1779
The Sussex Marriage Index doesn't have a marriage between a William and a Mary in the right timeframe :-\
Sorry I can't be of any more help than this
Kerry
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Thank you Kerry for your kind assistance
Hitting the old brick wall is a little frustrating , have joined the Sussex group as recommended
Carol
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William Carey married Mary Booker at Sevenoaks, Kent on 7 December 1767.
Their daughter Sarah Carey was baptised at Buxted 26 December 1769.
Mary Booker came from Buxted, baptised 29 May 1743, daughter of William and Sarah.
William Carey baptised at Hooe, Sussex 17 February 1740, son of Thomas Carey and Elizabeth (Wenham).
Lots of people on Ancestry have a marriage between a William Carey and a Mary at St Leonards parish, Shoreditch, London. Probably they are confusing St Leonards parish with the place St Leonards-on-Sea in Sussex.
I really can't understand why people just copy trees on Ancestry without checking. They end up with a tree full of people to whom they are not related!
Best wishes
Caroline
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Brilliant Caroline, thank you, I'll check that marriage in Sevenoaks out.
So William father of James is the brother of John who is my direct ancestor.
Totally agree with you about copying trees on Ancestry and it seems to be getting worse. I can't understand why anyone would want to research their family tree and not do it properly and check everything. But maybe its just because I have very high standards for myself!!
Now if only we could find proof of who Thomas Carey was!
Kerryb
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Found the marriage on FindMyPast.
Did you know that there is a child Elizabeth baptised at Sevenoaks to William Carey on 21 February 1768, found that on familysearch.org. I wonder if that is a first child for William and Mary?
Kerry
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Hello Kerry
Excellent, thank you - I hadn't seen that baptism for Elizabeth 1768 at Sevenoaks. I looked on FamilySearch but it didn't come up. Whereabouts did you find it?
I would guess that she was their first child as they married in December 1767.
I've had no luck either with a baptism or parents for Thomas.
My interest in the Careys is really to try to find out the origins of John Carey who married Elizabeth Carter at Battle in 1800. There's no baptism for him at Battle and no other clues to his birthplace so I'm looking at all the John Careys in the area of the right age group to see if there is one who might fit the bill e.g to see if there is a 'spare one' for whom there isn't a marriage and death. The John Carey at Battle was born c1775 (age 63 when he arrived in the USA in 1838). Many people think he's the son of Walter Carey and Sarah Hicks but I'm not convinced!
Best wishes
Caroline
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Hi Caroline
No weirdly if you search for Elizabeth it doesn't come up but I searched for William Carey, marriage place - Sevenoaks, Kent 1767-1769 and then below the marriages it was amongst a number of baptisms.
The citation for the record is "England, Kent, Parish Registers, 1538-1911," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKJ6-M18Z : 16 December 2015), William Carey in entry for Elizabeth, 21 Feb 1768; citing Christening, Sevenoaks, Kent, England, Kent Archives Office, Maidstone; FHL microfilm 1,473,691.
Kerry
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Hello Kerry
Found it. Thanks for the link.
Best wishes
Caroline
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Hi
My 5xgtgrandparents are Elizabeth Carey (daughter of John and Mary) and George Barden, so I thought someone here might be able help, I am trying to link up to some DNA matches.
Ancestry has come up with a DNA shared ancestor hint up my line to John Carey and Mary then down through Samuel Harmer and Pheobe Carey's son William. This will William moved to US in 1848 and is on the 1841 census with wife Hannah and children living in Ashburnham. My problem is that Sam and Pheobe had 10 Children all baptised in Ashburnham (SFHG) but not one called William, so, match trees have William born 1798 (which meant poor pheobe was having yearly babies) but trees have no birth/bap proof or any source. So if my DNA match links through our 6thgtgrandparents then William must be a son of one of John and Marys sons, I think thats how it works :-\
If anyone has any info on Williams birth I'd be most grateful, please don't spend hours searching, I have and can only come up with his address an the 1841 census putting him in the right place 43 years to late. I am going to add him to an "Unknown" son to John and Mary as the DNA line is there somewhere.
I really don't get this DNA thing lol.
Dee
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Hi Dee
I've just had a look at my tree and I have him on it, and his wife Hannah Mitchell. Maybe he just wasn't baptised? I have just checked the tree that I was provided with when I joined the Harmer Family Association and he is on the tree there also, as Samuel and Phoebe's son. Not sure where their information came from but that must be where I got mine from. I come down through their last son, Robert Carey born 1814.
Kerry
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Hi Distant Cousin :)
Ok So I will put William with Sam and Pheobe, if the Harmer Family Association say so then I guess they are right, I had a look at their website, they seem to have researched them really well, shame they are not my line as i would love to join.
My Carey line is just beginning, working my way through SFHG Hooe baptisms, it's going very slowly :-\ I get the impression it's a rather large family, but I have a few DNA matches to my Carey and Babcock howevermanytimesGrgrandparents. so I need to get this right before I can add any DNA people, I have copied this chat to a word doc to help me later as I will forget it, thanks for your help. And will keep an eye out for your Robert, he's not on my tree yet :)
Thanks again
Dee