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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cambridgeshire => Topic started by: annieoburns on Friday 25 July 08 12:45 BST (UK)
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I wonder if anyone with local history knowledge would be able to identify where the 'Victory' pub in Newmarket might have been located. I have a relative who was the proprietor in the 1871 census and the location is given as Mill Hill.
She was born Frederica Harrietta Utton but by 1871 she was twice widowed at only 25 years of age. She would have inherited the pub from her first husband William S Hills. By 1871 she was Harriet Edwards, widowed again. I have not been able to track any more records of her or her son Henry Arthur Edwards (born 1870).
I believe she held onto the pub into the 1920's and that perhaps it was located in the area affected by bomb damage in WW2.
Anne
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Hi Anne
Mill Hill in Newmarket runs into Exning Road, and if I remember correctly a lot of that area has been modernised.
there are some photo's of Newmarket on this website, but didnt look to see if Mill Hill was amongst them
http://www.francisfrith.com/
ricky
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Thanks for that link Ricky, a great resource!
Nothing on Mill Hill though.... :( but some nice old views of St Mary's church used by the family.
I shall enjoy browsing for other places of interest and reading the memories posted by people.
Thanks again.
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Anne
You could try the Newmarket Local History Society - they appear to be very helpful with this kind of query.
http://www.wood-ditton.org.uk/newmarketlhs.htm
Jo
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Directory of Suffolk 1891/2
Smith John, vict, The Victory, Mill Hill, And bricklayer and builder, Exning Rod.
So she didn't have the pub then.
Rog
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... which reminds me: you could also try the Suffolk board...
Jo :)
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Thanks for that Rog.
Perhaps Mr Smith was the latest husband - after all she would have been a good catch! Maybe she traded up or maybe she was only the proprietor as an employee of her first husband's family. I am relying on my 92 year old father's recollection that she had a pub so that would be 1920's when he knew her. I do not know when she died and have tried looking for a further marriage in vain and no luck in later censuses. I will see if I can find Mr Smith the census in later years. It is curious to see the pub disappear as the names seem to go on.
Yes thanks too Jo for link to local history group... I will try that and see where I get.
Indeed Newmarket is confusing as the county boundary seems to bisect the town and two distinct parishes too, All Saints and St Mary's.
Appreciate help and interest
Anne
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The Victory was just off the corner of St Mary's Square, diagonally opposite the current newsagents which used to be Hogg's. It was demolished in the 1960's to make way for the current town houses on two sides of the Square. My family, including myself, had the nearest 'opposition' the Five Bells' for 60 years. The Victory was on quite a steep alley leading to the maze of small houses in Mill Hill. Somewhere I do have a photo of the pub as demolition was starting. Until then it was almost invisible due to the cottages surrounding the Square. At the same time another hostelry "The Wheatsheaf" was demolished just around the corner in Regent's Street (now part of Rowley Drive
http://www.multimap.com/maps/?qs=cb8+0hz&countryCode=GB#map=52.24492,0.40329|18|32&loc=GB:52.24492:0.40329:16|cb8%200hz|CB8%200HZ
The Victory was just above the 'e' in Rowley Drive on this aerial shot
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Great information! Thanks so much for that 'agooner'.
I did get some useful info back from local history society and thanks also to person who sent link to that.....
"Mill Hill was the old rabbit warren part of Newmarket not far from St Mary's Church that was demolished when the Icewell Hill Flats were built....... The County boundary up to about 1895 was the High Street, which divided the town into two halves. After that the railway line became the boundary.
Yes the old Mill Hill complex was made up of very close knit streets and terrace cottages and was very run down by the mid 20th c."
A distant relative had photographed the 5 Bells.....
Topic closed!
Anne
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Sorry Annie Burns, I have only just logged onto this site.
As the webmaster for the Newmarket Local History Society I would just inform you that our URL has been changed and is now http://www.newmarketlhs.org.uk
We have had some recent correspondence about the old Icewell Hill complex and The Victory Pub. I hope soon to do an article about it on our website with pictures.
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Thanks for that! This site is really a great resource ... It posted me a direct email alerting me to your reply even tho topic really closed. I have has some great contacts in other areas of interest. I am sorry I have not anything more to contribute to your Victory Pub research save the family background on one of the proprietors. I would appreciate a private posting of your article or will it be on your website?
Anne
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That was quick Anne,
I am obtaining some pictures of the old Icewell Hill Newmarket site from an ex-resident and I intend soon to do a feature on the NLHS website with pictures. See also some correspondence already on the site.
In the meantime, here is a rather poor quality picture that shows the old Victory pub.
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Thanks for that! Yes very efficient site this! Did you see an earlier post in this thread from Agooner who said he had a photo somewhere of the pub? If you hover over their name and click on it, you can send a private post. Maybe I will give it a go as I see he/she only posted one message. I have an address of Albion Street I think from 1841 census... imagine it is one of your network of streets in Mill Hill area. I must take a look at your website....
Anne