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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Nottinghamshire => Topic started by: copperbeech5 on Monday 04 August 08 23:41 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I wonder if anyone can shed any light on a silver medal that I have, it is about an 1" in diameter, and reads "presented by Ernest Jardine MP" There is a crest in the centre of the round medallion, with the writing round the edge.
There is no date, and sadly the inscription on the reverse side has worn away.
It belonged to my G Grandfather who died in 1947.
What was their connection? Why such a nice medal?
Many thanks in anticipation!
Copperbeech 5
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Hi there
I assume this obituary refers to the same person...
The Times Sunday, Apr 27, 1947; pg. 9; Issue 50746; col F
Obituaries
Sir Ernest Jardine
"Sir Ernest Jardine, Bt., from 1910 to 1918 MP for East Somerset, died on Saturday at the age of 87.
The son of John Jardine, of Nottingham, he was educated at Tudor House School, Nottingham, and in France. When he was living in Somerset he was associated with the purchase of the ruins of Glastonbury Abbey for the Church of England and the nation, and also gave great encouragement to agriculture in the county. He returned to live in Nottingham and became one of the city's leading industrialists, with interests in the manufacture of typewriters and of lace machinery, and in the development of the Trent Navigation Company; he was also vice-chairman of the British Sugar Beet Grower's Society. Created a baronet in 1919, he was High Sheriff of Nottingham in 1928.
He married in 1883 Ada Jane, daughter of James Fletcher, of Nottingham, who died in 1926. There were three children of the marriage, two daughters and a son. Lieutenant-Colonel John Jardine, who now suceeds as second baronet."
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Thanks Dave for the information, a great help, it all helps to build up a picture.
I just wonder why my GGfather would have nbeen given this fob, for what reason? Does anyone else have one of these?
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Can you send me a photo of the medal. I may be able to provide some info. Have attached photo of Jardine.
from Johnny Conn
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There is reference to Ernest and his family on the following website. A brilliant website regarding Lymbery, Luntley & Jardine families.
http://www.lymbery.co.uk/
best wishes Teresa
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Thank for the information Jonny, and Teresa, and yes Jonny, I will try to send you a pic of the medal, but might take a while.... I haven't worked out how to put a picture onto this site yet!
Copperbeech 5
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Click on "Reply", then click on "Attach a photograph or image..." below this text box, then click on "Browse" to find the picture on your computer, then click on "Post". You could send the pic directly to my email (*). Ernest Jardine's son John founded a Scouting organisation. The medal may be Scouting related.
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Thanks Conijoni, I have emailed you direct!
Fingers crossed!!
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Are there any personal records (staff, paysheets etc) of John Jardine Lace Machine Builders, Nottingham from the late 1800's to say 1920's in existence please. Many of my male rellies worked there for most of their lives. (Foster and Simpson)
Thanks Janet
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Hi Janet,
I honestly don't know I don't have anything, you could try Notts Archive they might be able to help.
Welcome to RootsChat, and good luck with your search.
Copperbeech5
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thanks for that I'll check it out.
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Hi,
Reading from an article in my family tree (The Fletcher house of lace) it states amongst other things that Ernest Jardine was a Liberal-Unionist Member for East Somerset 1910-1918. Other distinctions: Chevalier of the Legion of Honour; High Sheriff of Nottinghamshire 1929-1930; and Justice of the Peace for the City of Nottingham.
Its also mentioned that he was one of the earliest members and a past amateur player for Nottingham Forest. He was also a president of the club for over 30 years.
I hope this is of some help, the medal may be related to one of the above.Good luck cuz.
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Hi Cuz,
Firstly welcome to Rootschat, I hope it is as good to you as it has been to me!
Thank you for your information, the Forrest connection I didn't know, so it will fill in another piece of the jigsaw!!
Best wishes,
Copperbeech5
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Copperbeech5, hope this helps fill in a few more piece's of the puzzle for you.
More details relating to John Jardine,Baronet( 1825-95) and his son Ernest.
Their first home was in the precincts of The Park, an oasis-like retreat in the very heart of Nottingham industry, that housed three generations of this family almost continuously.
John Jardine parted company with Stephen Bates (John and Stephen Bates built lace machines together at their factory in Grant Street,New Radford, and we also know that he married Julia Foster).About 1872 when, needing more space,he acquired a factory in Raleigh Street where an engineer named Hooton became his partner.
Incidentally, a few years later- 1879 to be exact-his son Ernest, with a Mr Ball as partner, established a cycle works in Raleigh Street also, but output ceased there in the early 'eighties.
Ernest Jardine (1861-1947)
When Ernest, son of John and Julia Jardine, was born at Nottingham in 1861, a sound education, with a knowledge of languages,was recognized as a prime necessity by thoughtful industrialists of the day.
The advantages of such a course was plain to John Jardine so, stage by stage, his son's education began, continued and was complated at Mr Gregory Porter's Preparatory School, Balmoral Road; the Nottingham High School; and the Lycee Imperiale, St. Omer.
Attainments garnered from these seats of learning, reinforced by ten years (1884-1894) practical managerial experience, were valuable assets when, in his early 'thirties, he assumed control of John Jardine Ltd. in 1894 in the stead of his father.
The many responsibilities that ensued were courageously borne for over fifty years and, in the bearing,he served his fellows faithfully. His services were many and varied.
One of his most generous actions was to buy Glastonbury Abbey andsubsequently hand it over to the Church of England.
He was also created a Baronet in 1919 when his public services and philanthropy were so recognized.
I hope this information fills in a few more of those annoying little gaps for you.
Crankyvet.
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Hi Crankyvet,
You have been busy, thank you so much for all that wealth of information!
All your info is fascinating, but I am still so puzzled about this medal. What was the connection between the two chaps? I have a sneaking feeling that the Dairyman's association plays a part in this..... but as yet I don't know how!
Thanks again,
Copperbeech5
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Hi
I've found references to Sir Ernest Jardine helping to set up the Quaker Lace Company in Kensington ,Philadelphia in 1894 they installed 108 Nottingham lace looms
Cheers Fellsman
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What an interesting thread this is.
On the football front:-
(1) Sir Ernest Jardine was president of the Nottinghamshire Football Association from 1904 until 1947
He was presented with a "Valued Services" Award in 1924.
(2) W. R. Lymbery was the first secretary of the Nottinghamshire Football Association serving from its foundation in 1882 until 1887.
(3) "Notts Jardines" won the Nottinghamshire Football Association Junior Challenge Cup in 1903
On the factory front, as a Meadows lad born and bred, several family members and neighbours were employed at Jardine's. I believe it was a good firm to work for.
KRs
Malc
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Hi Malc,
Thanks for your imput all info greatly appreciated. Where then was the factory situated?
As a Meadows chap, what era does your Meadows life cover? (If you don't mind me asking!)
Very best wishes,
Copperbeech5
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Hi Copperbeach
I was actually born in Nottingham Women's Hospital on Peel Street in 1947 and went home a few days later to the Meadows where I lived until 1971.
My mum was born in the Meadows in 1910 and still lives there at 99 years of age, bless her, on her own and coping well
Jardines Meadows factory was on Deering Street. I have pasted a link which gives some information - much of this has already been covered in the thread
http://www.thisisnottingham.co.uk/news/Illustrious-family-built-empire-industry/article-592705-detail/article.html
KRs
Malc
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I assume this Ernest Jardine is father of Sir John Jardine Bt who lived in a south somerset village in retirement, who it seems continued his father's routines by giving out awards. In this case it was "Honours PrizE" certificates to best children in the village primary school. Any one agree?
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Hi, A really interesting link re Jardines. The article mentioned Albert Foster's recollections. Albert was my great uncle dying at 101 years old. Albert worked for Jardines as did his father Joseph and brother Harold (who is still alive 96 y/o), and brother-in-law Reg Simpson -my grandfather. Albert and Harold were in regular contact via cassette tape in which they spoke often about their time at Jardines.
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I wrote a book called "Scouting for...Church Scouts" and I wrote about John Jardine in the Appendices...
D J Jardine (pronounced ‘ine’ as in wine)
Don or John Jardine was born in 1884, son of Ernest Jardine, a wealthy Nottingham businessman. His first involvement with youth work was in 1903 when he was invited to become Adjutant to the Nottingham Battalion of the Church Lads’ Brigade. At this time he was a Lieutenant in the Robin Hood Rifles, 1st Notts RV. His work as Adjutant to the CLB was short-lived.
By 1907, Jardine was a Captain in the North Somerset Yeomanry and was asked to take command of the Nottingham CLB Battalion. With the advent of Scouting, he founded the 1st Notts Battalion Boy Scouts, Southwell Diocesan Regiment of Scouts in 1909, and was its Colonel Commandant. (He retained command of the Nottingham CLB Battalion.) In 1912, the 1st Notts Battalion Boy Scouts affiliated to the Church Lads’ Brigade. Jardine joined the Executive of the Incorporated Church Scout Patrols.
Jardine was a Captain in the South Notts Hussars between 1910 and 1914. On August 17th 1914, he resigned his command of the Southwell Diocesan Regiment of Scouts as he was called up for war service. At the end of the Great War, Jardine was a Lieutenant Colonel in the Signals Service, Royal Engineers. When he returned home he became involved with Scouting once again, but with the Boy Scouts Association.
Jardine owned a houseboat on the River Trent and helped establish a number of troops of Sea Scouts; 1st Notts, 1st Beeston (Jardine’s Own) and 2nd Beeston. For a time he was District Commissioner for the SW Notts Association, becoming County Commissioner for Sea Scouts about 1930. In 1939, he presented the SW Notts Association with The Jardine Trophy.
In 1932, like his father, Jardine became High Sheriff of Nottingham (NB – this is not the same position as the Sheriff of Nottingham.) During the Second World War he served as Deputy Commander, British Red Cross and St John War Organisation, Middle East. In 1943, he was awarded a Civil OBE. When his father died in 1947, he inherited his father’s baronetcy, becoming Sir John Jardine, OBE, TD, 2nd Bart. Sir John died on 1st August 1965, aged 80. He never married, had no heirs, and so the baronetcy died with him.
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And something about his father...
Ernest Jardine
Ernest Jardine was born in 1859, the son of John Jardine, a lace machinery manufacturer in Nottingham. In 1907, he purchased the Abbey at Glastonbury for £30,000 on behalf of the Church of England, holding it in trust until the Church could raise the money. He lived at the Abbey House, and in 1910 became a Liberal-Unionist Member of Parliament for East Somerset, serving until 1918. He became Sir Ernest Jardine in 1919 when he was created a baronet. He returned to Nottingham and became a leading industrialist. In 1928, he was appointed High Sheriff of Nottingham.
Ernest Jardine was described by the New York Times (3rd October 1909) as a patriotic Englishman when he prevented Americans from buying and transporting to the USA the house in which the actor Henry Irving was born. He supported the establishment of the 24th May as Empire Day and was keen to popularise the flying of the Union Flag. He died in 1947, his son John succeeding him as baronet.
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coninjoni, thanks for this.
please confirm whether this was the chap who finished up in south somerset village in the 60s?
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It would seem likely that it is as he had strong ties with Somerset. However, I cannot say with certainty. You will have to corroborate this fact some other way. conijoni
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I have a bronze medal presented to my Father who died in 1964. On the back is the inscription
N.S.S.A.
Huntingdon Street School
Jardine Trophy
1912
It is contained in a purpose built box with 'The Jardine Trophy 1912' inlaid on the top.
I have always understood that it was for a mile swim in the River Trent.
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Hi Fangel 127
Welcome to Rootschat!
Your post is very interesting to hear about,and what a brave chap!
Mine is a silver - sort of medalion on a (watch?) chain.
My Gt Grandfather must have worn it very proudly for many years so that sadly parts of the engraving are impossible to read.
Now you have reminded me, I will try to put a picture of it on here!
Best wishes,
Copperbeech5
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Question is, did your Grandfather live in Nottingham and did he attend Huntingdon Street Boys School?
My Father was born in 1900 and was therefore 12 years old when he received the medal.
N.S.S.A. I presume stands for Nottingham Schools Swimming Association.
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Hi Fangel,
Well, he was born 1867 and live his entire life in Nottingham, and is buried there too, but I have no idea if he went to Huntingdon St school.
I kind of got the feeling that he had been an older man (memories from what my Gramps told me on giving me the item - sadly I it was too long ago, and I wasn't then into family history) But I do know he wore it as a watch chain? on his waistcoat. Evidently it was a thing of pride for him.
Best wishes,
Copperbeech5
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I have a Jardine medal from 1915 in case, belonged to my father in laws father
Inscribed. RCS. First prize for gardening Awarded to John Lintern 1915
He lived in Bruton Somerset.
(Will attach photo when i can resize it to within limits)
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Hi Hiltern,
Welcome to Rootschat!
Thank you for your reply to my query, I am finding it very interesting that these medals keep turning up, I just wish I could read my G Grandfathers one, but as it was worn every day, it is too worn to read!
Kind regards,
Copperbeech5
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Hello all. I've just found one of these silver medals. Presented to my Dad. Inscription on the back reads Morley School 1938 G Bull.
I never new about it's existence. Can't ask Dad as we lost him few years ago. Could anyone give any reason it would have been given to him?
Ps he was in the BB.