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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Kirkcudbrightshire => Topic started by: *sparkle* on Wednesday 06 August 08 12:44 BST (UK)
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I have identified a family group of graves at Lochrutton church. Mine are a line of John Hyslops, however with the way the graves lie it is obvious there is a set of four if not 5 or more graves which are all related.
I'm chasing the DGFHS to see if I can get a copy of an out of print newsletter (no 11) which mentions this family of Hyslops.
Does anyone know of or have links with these Hyslops?
The residences mentioned are; Southpark, Brae, Nether-Barr, Congeith, Kirkland, Carswadda, Drumcoltran.
The earliest death mentioned is John Hyslop in Barwhae 1761 and most recent death is John Hyslop at Southpark 1955.
I would love to hear from anyone who has links with any Hyslops from these places as I believe they are all members of the same family group.
Tx
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Hi Sparkle
No links at the moment but can you tell me the date of the out of print newsletter? I might have it up in Scotland.
Gadget
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Gadget
Its July 1991 (no 11) so it is quite an old one. The article is on pages 4 and 5 allegedly.
I'm very excited about the Hyslops as it looks like after months of ag labs and servants I've found my rich interesting relations!
Thanks very much for looking! ;D
Tracey
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:'( :'( :'(
I know my journals don't go that far back - ever so sorry. I'll have a look at the MIs and study the grouping and see if I can see something in there as well :)
Gadget
Added -the library in Castle Douglas has a good local history section. They might have something if the D & G FHS can't come up with it.
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No worries Gadget. Hopefully the DGFHS have a master or something that I can get a photocopy of. :)
The graves are at Lochrutton and they are references 180, 194, 195, 198, 199. All sat very close to each other and definitely a family group. Some of the family members have abodes quite far away from Lochrutton (Nether-Barr, Corsock for example) but are still buried with the group.
The church itself is half a mile up a little track from the Old Military (Roman) Road. Its on the side of a hill (very remote and very beautiful) and one of the family farms lies at the bottom of the track (Southpark).
No problem if you don't get a chance to look.
I'm just chuffed its such a big family group. I hope they were as close in life as they are in death! :-\
Tx
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I got my hand on the article ;D. It appears that my G.G.G.G.Grandfather went to the USA with his brother and they bought some land. He returned but his brother stayed in the states, his brother later died of yellow fever in the US leaving the family plot of land unclaimed.... damn, I could have been rich :o
But I'm glad he returned home as I probably wouldn't be here now ;D
Now to try and prove the story... should be fun :D
Tx
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My cousin Robert Davidson married Barbara Hyslop and they stayed at South Park. Barbara's family famred South Park and when she inherited the farm she moved in with her husband and family. The family firm of Fred Davidson and son Haulage Contractors are run from this base. Let me know if you would like to hear any more information.
Kath
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HI Kath,
Have just sent you a message. I didn't realise the Davidsons/Hyslops were connected! But I suppose it all makes sense!
I would love to hear more!
Tracey
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Hello Sparkle.
Dare I add a comment about the Hyslops and Davidsons :-\
I was attracted by the two surnames of Davidson and Hyslop and particularly because they are mentioned at Lochrutton and Corsock. Two key areas in my own family research.
My own family of the Murrays are connected to Corsock as that is where my great great grandfather William was born. He and his brother and two sisters are with their mother at Corsock Bridge for 1841.
His sister Margaret, according to all the information I have found, was born in Lochrutton. If you've been at family research for some time you will recognise the symptoms but... in trying to find my Murrays I looked at all avenues. One option was trying to trace wedding witnesses for them both. In 1859 William had a witness James Hyslop. He (William) was married at Kelton but was from Springholm where I am presuming he lived - and can't definitely confirm that I have found him. Hence my looking for wedding witnesses for him between the two censuses of 1851 and 1861 - look it all makes sense to me!!!!!
Similarly for Margaret who was married at Lochrutton in 1866 she had an Agnes Davidson as a witness and it was she (Agnes) who I tried to trace for some time. William and Margaret's brother Samuel also married and lived in Lochrutton.
My 'brick wall' (in terms of searching for him) is James Murray my ggg grandfather and head of this small family. He died at a very young age and little to nothing is known definitely about him. He is supposed to have been a blacksmith but I can find no evidence for this. My information keeps going back to Corsock and Lochrutton and obviously the two names of Hyslop and Davidson are interesting. I wonder if they have all been part of one 'big family' of people who knew each other and were inter related and therefore the surnames and the villages they lived in are linked? This would also give alink between the names Hyslop and Davidson if the Murrays used family friends as witnesses.
The other possibility is that it is all coincidence.
I apologise for interupting your posting if this is of no relevance but you did ask for Hyslop connections.
J.A.
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Hello. I just came across this thread and noted the reference to Agnes Davidson. I have a relation on my tree by that name who was born in Lochrutton in 1838 and died there in 1908. She was the daughter of Wm Davidson, Blacksmith at Lochfoot and Janet Wilson. Janet was the daughter of my GGGgf, William Wilson, the previous Blacksmith. If this is of interest, I can give you a little more information on the family, although I cannot find the birth of the above William @ 1773. I have a photo of Davidson Grave in the Lochrutton church grave yard.
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Hi Sparkle, I am related to the Hyslops at Lochrutton.
My great grandmother was Margaret Jane Hyslop, born 1846 and she married George Ireland (a farm servant) in December 1870 at Lochrutton. Margaret died 9th October 1918 and both Margaret and George are buried in Lochrutton Cemetery, Lochfoot.
My grandmother Susan Ireland was born at Lochside Cottage, Lochrutton in 1886. Susan married David Muirhead (a shepherd from Lochfoot) on the 3rd March 1914, at Kirkland, Lochrutton Gate. David was killed in WWI and his war grave is also at Lochrutton. Unfortunately I have no more info on the Hyslops.
Hope the information is of some use to you.
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Warboys - I have found a lot more out about the Hyslops since I posted this :) I'll pm you if that is okay?
I think we are fairly closely related as I'm also from The Ireland Branch. My G. Grandpa is George Ireland, son of George Ireland the farm servant; older brother of Susan.
I suspected but did not know for sure that Margaret and George were buried at Lochrutton Cemetary; I was going up there to have a look on my next trip up. So thank you. Now that I know they are there I'll take some flowers :)
I have seen David Muirhead's grave at lochrutton. I took a picture of it. I had no idea I was distantly related to him!
David's grave:
http://scottishwargraves.phpbbweb.com/scottishwargraves-ftopic550.html&highlight=lochrutton
David is on the war memorial here:
http://warmemscot.s4.bizhat.com/warmemscot-ftopic610.html&highlight=lochrutton
JA- sorry I managed to miss your post, I'll have a sort through and try to find where and if your Davidsons/Hyslops are related. I've actually managed to tie most of the Hyslop branches together so it is all good!
lochfoot- again I need to go back and have a look at the Davidsons to see where it all fits together.
After all this posting the first time it took my Mum to remind me that I friend that I had when I was younger is related to the Davidsons also. Small world!
Tx
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Any link to Helen Hyslop who married Robert Hume (b 1811)?
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I have a Helen Leckie Hyslop b.27 Feb 1858 Southpark, Lochrutton, daughter of John Hyslop and Elizabeth Leckie. But know no more than that, but by the dates I'm sure it can't be the correct Helen.
Do you know any more about your Helen and I'll try to place her.
Cheers
Tx
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Hello Sparkle/Lochfoot.
Sorry it's taken so long to get back to you.
It would be nice to see if there is any connection with the Hyslop, Davidsons and Murrays - my 'brickwall' Murray was a blacksmith. I did find that he was briefly in Lochrutton whilst Margaret his daughter was born in 1838.
J.A.
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I haven't come across any Murrays that I can recall. Please tell us what you know about Margaret and her parents and I'll see if anything fits into the Hyslop/Davidsons :)
Cheers
Tx
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Hi Sparkle.
I'm new on this site and have just been looking around the posts for Kirkcudbrightshire when I saw this entry.
The group of graves you mention in Lockrutton cemetery are of intrest to me. Mainly plot No 194. This relates to William Hyslop, his wife Janet Rae & some of their children.
Janet Rae is my 4th Great grand aunt on my father side of the family. It was Janet's sister Deborah that was the link to my grandmother Jessie Helen Payne Muir who was born in Lockrutton in 1895. Jessie,s brother James Muir is also commemorated on the WW1 memorial on the outside of the church.
Rgds Matt.
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Hello Matt,
Lovely to hear from you :-D
I havent' been on here for a few days.
Here is a picture of the memorial:
http://warmemscot.s4.bizhat.com/warmemscot-ftopic610.html&highlight=lochrutton
This is from the CWGC, I think this is James:
Name: MUIR, JAMES
Initials: J
Nationality: Canadian
Rank: Sergeant
Regiment/Service: Canadian Infantry (British Columbia Regiment)
Unit Text: 7th Bn.
Age: 28
Date of Death: 15/08/1917
Service No: 442133
Additional information: Son of Robert and Jessie Muir, of 20, Maxwell St., Dalbeattie, Scotland; husband of Agnes Boyd Muir, of 35, Gallowflat St., Rutherglen, Glasgow, Scotland.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Memorial: VIMY MEMORIAL
Does the parents/wife information fit?
I have a photo of William Hyslop's grave, I'll post it up tomorrow as its a bit too late to dig it out just now.
Thanks again for posting its lovely to make another Hyslop connection :-)
Regards
Tracey x
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Hi Sparkle.
Thanks for the response. That is my James Muir & his parents. He had emigrated to Canada & joined the Canadian forces in June 1915. While on leave from the front he married Agnes Boyd at Rutherglen,Glsgow on 1st August 1917. 14 days later he was killed in action at Lens,France.
James youngest sister Robina (Ruby) was a school teacher at Lockfoot village.Their parents Robert & Jessie Payne both died in the schoolhouse in 1936 & 37 respectively.
Rgds Matt.
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I used to live in Lochfoot. My old classmate is the son of one of the two brothers who run F Davidsons. There are plenty of Hyslops and Davidsons in the family.
I took a panorama of the area about a month ago - http://gigapan.org/gigapans/40703 - Southpark is near the middle and the road towards the church (where I took the picture - it is out of shot) is to the right of it. If you've got Google Earth installed, you can place the panorama right in the map by opening this KML file - http://gigapan.org/gigapans/40703.kml
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What a fantastic picture! I love how you can zoom in and see Fred Davidson's lorries parked at Southpark!
I didn't realise there was a Hyslop/Davidson connection when I was last there and saw the lorries. I just love that the farm is still in the 'family' :D
Tx
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Any link to Helen Hyslop who married Robert Hume (b 1811)?
Hi there
Ros here from South Africa - I have a Robert Hume who married a Helen Hyslop on my mothers side of the family and they had a sone named John who was born in Dumfries. I am looking to find more details on their family further back - are you related to them?
Regards
Ros
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Hello,
I am new to this so please bear with me. I see that you have an interest in Hyslop family history.
I have come across some old papers that may interest you - all handwritten - names referred to are for example:
William Hyslop - Loch Rutton
Great Grandmother Hyslop whose maiden name was isabella mcConnell and was born October 12 1787. Letter to Aunty Tibby ( Mrs Robert Hyslop) dated 1845.
letter from Mary Bell of Blageddon? to aunt hyslop 1868
Letter from Robert mcConnell of Kittenhall? to Mr john Hyslop (brother and sister) 1844
There is much more and more family names mentioned - lots of details of deaths in the family - is this an area of interest to you?
Let me know as I am willing to share with you.
regards
Julie
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Sparkle,
I just saw your entry about your great .... grandfather going to the US and dying of yellow fever.... would it have been about 1868 on a plantation in Louisiana? I have letters concerning this. Only copies as I have lodged the originals with the State Ohio University library as I felt they were of importance in social history. Do you know his name?
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Hi, welcome to Rootschat and the Hyslop forum. I am particularly interested in anything to do with the Hyslops at Lochrutton in the 1800's. What do you have to offer during this period.
Cheers
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Thanks for the welcome. I am not a Hyslop and dont beleive that I am related in any way, however I knew an old lady Hylsop (maiden name)- she died about 20 years ago in her late 90s and I have a large collection of her letters, newspaper cuttings, burial documents and her notes - some of which seem to be her attempt at family history. There are documents showing that she travelled to Loch Rutton searching and reveal some of her findings. Names in letters/documents include
Wiliam Hyslop of Southpark
William Hyslop of Loch Roan
john Hyslop
Adam Hyslop
Robert Clark 0f gridbae - seems to related to Hyslops
isabella Hyslop - maiden name mcConnall
Robert McConnall
john McConnall
Mary bell of Balgreddon - seems to be related to Hyslop
Thomas Woodruff - maker of marble tables - uncle of the lady that I knew
letters from USA Hyslop relatives ( siblings) to Hyslop family
beatiful letter detailing a Hyslops travels across USA and working in the gold rush
news paper cuttings - various - house content auctions, births deaths marriages etc
There is a lot of papers and I dont know what to do with it all but feel that it may be of value to someone that is related.
Please help me to put these to use - much better than sitting in my cupboard!
regards to all
julie
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I am looking for information on a Hellen or Ellen born in Mosside in1798 ( I believe). Ellen married Robert Hume and moved to Kirkcudbright at some point. I haven't found much on her family yet but would love to know more!
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Wow... how exciting ;D
Julie - There is a good chance that all the Hyslops you mention are related. It would be lovely to link everyone together.
My G.G.G Grandfather John Hyslop and his brother Robert Hyslop emigrated to New York. John returned back to Lochrutton and started a family late in life (his family generally didn't move far from Lochrutton, even to my generation! His brother Robert remained in NY but died of yellow fever. I don't believe that Robert had children.
There was another brother, William Hyslop. Now I believe some of his children may have emigrated, so its this side of the family that the papers have probably come from.
I'm on a day off today, and have a bit of running around to do, but I'll have an investigation into some of the folk you name and report back later.
Tx
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I am looking for information on a Hellen or Ellen born in Mosside in1798 ( I believe). Ellen married Robert Hume and moved to Kirkcudbright at some point. I haven't found much on her family yet but would love to know more!
Bethsdragon... there were lots of Hyslops in this area, so I'm not sure if they are the same branch, But I'll have a hunt around and see if I have a reference to Hellen/Ellen.
Tx
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Sparkle,
have sent email to you with transcript of letter that may be of interest
julie
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Thanks Julie ;D
I really appreciate it!
Tx
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I am the 4x great granddaughter of William I think! Now living in Edinburgh.
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Good evening! I’m new here but just out of interest I’m from Lochfoot. North park Farm to be specific, directly opposite Southpark that’s been mentioned here. I’m a Kirk.
There are still Davidsons in the area, running the haulage firm. I’m convinced the Davidson family had Hyslop connections too.
I can do my best to help with any local info, directions etc.