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Title: Powell
Post by: jen.blufell on Wednesday 06 August 08 15:57 BST (UK)
Hi!
 I know my paternal ggrandmother was b. at Llantilio Crossenny monmouthshire [various spellings! in 1836. She married Thomas Powell of Abbeydore Hef. two known children. Don't know when the marriage took place or where.
Named Mary Jane Powell she was always known as Jane, this is how she was on 1871 1881 1891 census living at Wormbridge/Abbeydore Hef. I can find nothing before these dates. Her daughter, Julia, was my Grandmother born about 1863/64. any help much appreciated.
Title: Re: Powell
Post by: claudia99 on Wednesday 06 August 08 16:02 BST (UK)
Do you have the birth record of Julia or her sibling - this would give Mary Jane Powell's maiden name.  It may then be a little easier to find the marriage.
Please post what you know about Julia and her sibling if you do not have their birth records and someone may be able to help.
Claudia
Title: Re: Powell
Post by: Cas (stallc) on Wednesday 06 August 08 16:08 BST (UK)
Hi!
 I know my paternal ggrandmother was b. at Llantilio Crossenny monmouthshire [various spellings! in 1836. She married Thomas Powell of Abbeydore Hef. two known children. Don't know when the marriage took place or where.
Named Mary Jane Powell she was always known as Jane,


Do you mean her maiden name is Powell?

There is this possible marriage...

Marriages Dec 1861   
 
POWELL  Jane    Monmouth  11a 63   
POWELL  Thomas     Monmouth  11a 63   

PREECE  Maria     Monmouth  11a 63   
Smith  Frederick     Monmouth  11a 63

Monmouth covers Llantilio Crossenny

Cas
Title: Re: Powell
Post by: jen.blufell on Wednesday 06 August 08 16:27 BST (UK)
Thank you for your replies, Just to make things interesting, Powell married Powell! I actually have this marriage cert. which states Jane's father as being Charles Powell a Carpenter.This could well be my GGrandparents.
The problem I have is finding Jane and her family prior to this wedding, or a baptism for her. again many thanks.
Title: Re: Powell
Post by: Cas (stallc) on Wednesday 06 August 08 16:47 BST (UK)
The parish records are online, but cannot see her  :-\

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~monfamilies/llancrossennyprt.htm

Checking census, if I find anything will post.

Cas
Title: Re: Powell
Post by: jen.blufell on Wednesday 06 August 08 16:54 BST (UK)
Thank you all for your interest,
would love to know where she disappeared to between 1836-1937.
Title: Re: Powell
Post by: Cas (stallc) on Wednesday 06 August 08 17:43 BST (UK)
This looks like the family for Thomas, same area/address as census with Jane. 

Do details fit with marriage cert that his father is Richard ?

1841 - HO107 Piece 427 Book 1
Birches,  Abbey Dore

Richard Powell 55  ag lab
Mary Powell 45   
John Powell 24 ag lab
William Powell 12   
Richard Powell 9 
Thomas Powell 5 
Elizabeth Powell 18 mths

Also Jane is a widow in 1901.  1881/1891 has Hoskins children with them.  There is a Jane Hoskins right area for pob in 1841, but this maybe a red herring  :-\

Cas
Title: Re: Powell
Post by: jen.blufell on Wednesday 06 August 08 18:32 BST (UK)
Yes,
 this is my family, can go back some way with these powells. its the mary -jane powells I can't find. I am open to suggestions. I can find Thomas on the 1861 census at Kentchurch but no sign of Jane anywhere. 1841 1851 1861 missing!.
again thank you.
Title: Re: Powell
Post by: Cas (stallc) on Wednesday 06 August 08 18:44 BST (UK)
Well you know the marriage cert is correct if it has details to match your Thomas.  Possibly her father died pre 1841 census, mother may have remarried  :-\

Don't know what else to suggest...

Cas
Title: Re: Powell
Post by: jen.blufell on Wednesday 06 August 08 19:15 BST (UK)
Why hadn't I thought of that?
It is a possibility. ah well, back to the drawing board! thanks.
Title: Re: Powell
Post by: Cas (stallc) on Wednesday 06 August 08 22:09 BST (UK)
Another possibility is that she is illegit, and father is made up ... ???

Where were they married? Any clues from marriage address (hers) (his) and witness names?  They married within a few months of the 1861 census, relating to address, she must be somewhere.

Sometimes all info helps...

Cas
Title: Re: Powell
Post by: jen.blufell on Thursday 07 August 08 08:56 BST (UK)
God Morning Cas

Married at St Thomas Monmouth Dec 17th 1861

Thomas Powell 25 Bachelor Labourer Monmouth Richard Powell Quarryman

Jane Powell 24 Spinster _____  Monmouth Charles Powell Carpenter

Witnesses Philip Smith
Sarah Smith                                     Church after Banns I Fawcett Bedely

just a slight slip in their ages other than that about right.
thanks Jen.
Title: Re: Powell
Post by: Cas (stallc) on Thursday 07 August 08 09:36 BST (UK)
Hi again Jen  :)

No addresses on marriage cert ?

These look like witness, perhaps if you try trace back see if you can find a connection, sometimes it helps..

1861 - RG9 Piece 3988 Folio 7 Page 10
Monmouth

Phillip & Sarah Smith, both age 60

Link of the church, looks like it is in the town of Overmonnow, but possibly would come under 'Monmouth'

http://www.stayinwales.co.uk/wales_picture.cfm?p=1973

Have you tried checking other parishes for possible BMD that may connect, possibly she was born, but did not
live in area?

http://www.genuki.org.uk/cgi-bin/places?MON,SO390140,5,Llantillio%20Crossenny

http://www.londonancestor.com/maps/bc-monmouth.htm

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~monfamilies/monprts.htm

BTW...How do you know she was named Mary Jane Powell?

Will check back later

Cas
Title: Re: Powell
Post by: jen.blufell on Thursday 07 August 08 11:19 BST (UK)
Overmonnow is part of the town of Monmouth where it has a bridge over the river Monnow. It has a beautiful old Church (St Thomas), which I have visited recently. I was made most wecome, A person was transcripting at the time and I was shown the original marriage entry.
Her daughter Julia's Birth Cert states her mothers former name as Powell.
Still trying other areas [Hereford} etc. This is a record I found on 1861 Census
for Bedwellty
Thomas Jenkins Head b. 1834 Bedwellty Mon
Margret  Jenkins Wife  b. 1838          "          "
John Jenkins        Son  b.  1859         "          "
Mary A. Jenkins    Daur b.  1860         "          "
Jane C. Jenkins    Daur b.  1850          "         "

Jane      Powell   Sister b.   1836    Wales

Am I barking up the wrong Family Tree entirely?
jen.


Title: Re: Powell
Post by: Cas (stallc) on Thursday 07 August 08 12:31 BST (UK)
I don't know what to suggest, Jen  :-\

It looks like she was never on census with Charles (carpenter)  possibly he died...think she is there somewhere but maybe under a different name on cenus...considering between us we cannot find her where she should be.  I have tried everything I know, first names only in birth area, last name, Jane with dad Charles all counties etc...only one I can find is a barber/hairdresser, within correct area.

I have a few like this, were the are no easy answers, sometimes we never get to know, other times, it is eureka!

Welcome anyway, hope you enjoy Rootschat, it is a great forum.

Sorry I could not help you more... :-\

Cas
Title: Re: Powell
Post by: jen.blufell on Thursday 07 August 08 14:22 BST (UK)
Yes, I agree with you on all counts!
It will keep me busy for some time I expect.
many thanks en.