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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Monmouthshire => Topic started by: jen.blufell on Wednesday 06 August 08 15:57 BST (UK)
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Hi!
I know my paternal ggrandmother was b. at Llantilio Crossenny monmouthshire [various spellings! in 1836. She married Thomas Powell of Abbeydore Hef. two known children. Don't know when the marriage took place or where.
Named Mary Jane Powell she was always known as Jane, this is how she was on 1871 1881 1891 census living at Wormbridge/Abbeydore Hef. I can find nothing before these dates. Her daughter, Julia, was my Grandmother born about 1863/64. any help much appreciated.
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Do you have the birth record of Julia or her sibling - this would give Mary Jane Powell's maiden name. It may then be a little easier to find the marriage.
Please post what you know about Julia and her sibling if you do not have their birth records and someone may be able to help.
Claudia
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Hi!
I know my paternal ggrandmother was b. at Llantilio Crossenny monmouthshire [various spellings! in 1836. She married Thomas Powell of Abbeydore Hef. two known children. Don't know when the marriage took place or where.
Named Mary Jane Powell she was always known as Jane,
Do you mean her maiden name is Powell?
There is this possible marriage...
Marriages Dec 1861
POWELL Jane Monmouth 11a 63
POWELL Thomas Monmouth 11a 63
PREECE Maria Monmouth 11a 63
Smith Frederick Monmouth 11a 63
Monmouth covers Llantilio Crossenny
Cas
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Thank you for your replies, Just to make things interesting, Powell married Powell! I actually have this marriage cert. which states Jane's father as being Charles Powell a Carpenter.This could well be my GGrandparents.
The problem I have is finding Jane and her family prior to this wedding, or a baptism for her. again many thanks.
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The parish records are online, but cannot see her :-\
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~monfamilies/llancrossennyprt.htm
Checking census, if I find anything will post.
Cas
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Thank you all for your interest,
would love to know where she disappeared to between 1836-1937.
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This looks like the family for Thomas, same area/address as census with Jane.
Do details fit with marriage cert that his father is Richard ?
1841 - HO107 Piece 427 Book 1
Birches, Abbey Dore
Richard Powell 55 ag lab
Mary Powell 45
John Powell 24 ag lab
William Powell 12
Richard Powell 9
Thomas Powell 5
Elizabeth Powell 18 mths
Also Jane is a widow in 1901. 1881/1891 has Hoskins children with them. There is a Jane Hoskins right area for pob in 1841, but this maybe a red herring :-\
Cas
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Yes,
this is my family, can go back some way with these powells. its the mary -jane powells I can't find. I am open to suggestions. I can find Thomas on the 1861 census at Kentchurch but no sign of Jane anywhere. 1841 1851 1861 missing!.
again thank you.
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Well you know the marriage cert is correct if it has details to match your Thomas. Possibly her father died pre 1841 census, mother may have remarried :-\
Don't know what else to suggest...
Cas
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Why hadn't I thought of that?
It is a possibility. ah well, back to the drawing board! thanks.
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Another possibility is that she is illegit, and father is made up ... ???
Where were they married? Any clues from marriage address (hers) (his) and witness names? They married within a few months of the 1861 census, relating to address, she must be somewhere.
Sometimes all info helps...
Cas
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God Morning Cas
Married at St Thomas Monmouth Dec 17th 1861
Thomas Powell 25 Bachelor Labourer Monmouth Richard Powell Quarryman
Jane Powell 24 Spinster _____ Monmouth Charles Powell Carpenter
Witnesses Philip Smith
Sarah Smith Church after Banns I Fawcett Bedely
just a slight slip in their ages other than that about right.
thanks Jen.
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Hi again Jen :)
No addresses on marriage cert ?
These look like witness, perhaps if you try trace back see if you can find a connection, sometimes it helps..
1861 - RG9 Piece 3988 Folio 7 Page 10
Monmouth
Phillip & Sarah Smith, both age 60
Link of the church, looks like it is in the town of Overmonnow, but possibly would come under 'Monmouth'
http://www.stayinwales.co.uk/wales_picture.cfm?p=1973
Have you tried checking other parishes for possible BMD that may connect, possibly she was born, but did not
live in area?
http://www.genuki.org.uk/cgi-bin/places?MON,SO390140,5,Llantillio%20Crossenny
http://www.londonancestor.com/maps/bc-monmouth.htm
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~monfamilies/monprts.htm
BTW...How do you know she was named Mary Jane Powell?
Will check back later
Cas
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Overmonnow is part of the town of Monmouth where it has a bridge over the river Monnow. It has a beautiful old Church (St Thomas), which I have visited recently. I was made most wecome, A person was transcripting at the time and I was shown the original marriage entry.
Her daughter Julia's Birth Cert states her mothers former name as Powell.
Still trying other areas [Hereford} etc. This is a record I found on 1861 Census
for Bedwellty
Thomas Jenkins Head b. 1834 Bedwellty Mon
Margret Jenkins Wife b. 1838 " "
John Jenkins Son b. 1859 " "
Mary A. Jenkins Daur b. 1860 " "
Jane C. Jenkins Daur b. 1850 " "
Jane Powell Sister b. 1836 Wales
Am I barking up the wrong Family Tree entirely?
jen.
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I don't know what to suggest, Jen :-\
It looks like she was never on census with Charles (carpenter) possibly he died...think she is there somewhere but maybe under a different name on cenus...considering between us we cannot find her where she should be. I have tried everything I know, first names only in birth area, last name, Jane with dad Charles all counties etc...only one I can find is a barber/hairdresser, within correct area.
I have a few like this, were the are no easy answers, sometimes we never get to know, other times, it is eureka!
Welcome anyway, hope you enjoy Rootschat, it is a great forum.
Sorry I could not help you more... :-\
Cas
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Yes, I agree with you on all counts!
It will keep me busy for some time I expect.
many thanks en.