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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: mrs a on Sunday 10 August 08 21:41 BST (UK)
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Looking for any info on ancestors of Margaret Barrons born Ireland 1845, marriedRobert Gilmour 1863, in Airdrie, Scotland and died 1914 in West Lothian.
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Civil registration of births in Ireland started in 1864 so there will be no birth certificate for Margaret.
Does marriage certificate give any details like names of her parents? What about her death certificate.
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I have found a Robert Gilmour in the Scotland 1871 Census with the following people:
James B. Gilmour 3
Jane 6
Margaret 26 Born Ireland 1845
Margaret 1
Mary 3 months
Robert 30
William
They were living in the County of Midlothian in 5 Watt Street in the Civil Parish of West Calder.
Hope this is your family.
Pam....Sydney
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MrsA,
I have found the same family on the 1881 Census living at the same address
with several more children,
Catherine 1
Isabella 3
Robert 7
Sarah 5
Pam...Sydney
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thanks Pam
this looks like a possibility. My gt, Gt, Gt grandfather on my granny's side was William Gilmour born 1865, unfortunately, he's the only child without an age in your census!!!
The address looks good as my paternal grandfather was born in Watt St , Addiewell, in 1901(Robert B Fawcett)
Many thanks
Avril (Scotland)
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Hello Avril,
I've a wee bit on your Gilmour/Barron's family, they touch my family so I did some research on them. Your William born 1865 in Airdrie, Lanarkshire, died 6th May 1927, at 58 Loganlea, West Calder. He was married to Helen Wood born in West Calder abt 1859, and died there in 16th July, 1903, William and Helen had 10 children. Robert and Margaret had 12 children. Robert's parents were William Gilmour 1817-1870 and Margaret Thomson 1820-1899. William's parents were Robert Gilmour and Isobel Main.
Margaret Barron's parents were James Barrons and Jane Hamilton born Ireland, Margaret died 1914 in West Calder. I have most of the death certificates and census returns for the family. I'm not sure how to send you my email address - new to this site. But I'd be glad to help with anything that I have.
They are buried in Burngrange Cemetery in West Calder, I've seen some of the headstones, unfortunately I can't find them now that I'm looking for them. I live locally so will be going to Burngrange at some point soon.
cheers ... Meg
cheers ... Meg
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thanks Meg - I think I've spoken to you on Genes Reunited?
great to get Margaret Barrons' parents, that's the first info I have on them. I think I can send you a private e-mail from this site
Avril
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Hello, my name is Gina and am busy doing my husbands tree, Icame accross your info. re- Gilmour/Barrons, they are my husbands GT.GT.Grandparents coul you please if possible let me have any info. you may have on them. My e-mail address is (*) Thank You.
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Hello Gina (and Avril) strange that you contact me about the Barron's Gilmour family as I did some more work on them this past week, Gina your email address was deleted by the Moderator of the site, but I will try and send you a Personal Message with my email address you can contact me and I'll send you what I have on the Barron's Gilmours and Gillies families.
cheers ... Meg
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Gina, you'll have to make at least another couple of postings before you can use the Personal Messaging System - then you'll be able to see my PM to you with my email address
Cheers ... Meg
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Hello meg, thanks for reply , will forward my e-mail address once I have got things worked out. Gina
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Hello Vabree, our Gilmour/ Barrons appears to be the same family. Gina
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Hello , I think we have a connection with Gilmour/Barrons.
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Hi Meg
Just come across your post from several years ago! I would love info from any certificates you have, please as just starting research after a long break!
Avril
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I thought this is a chance to find the few possible locations in Ireland. John
Grenham ‘s website started my search well, https://www.johngrenham.com giving several catholic marriages new records and he lists alternative spellings as Barrens and Barrins
I then tried using one source Tithe Applotment Books 1823-1837
to locate the possible place james Barrons might have come from
1.Tithe Applotment Books 1823-1837 Part 1 in the 26 counties
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/index.jsp
Barren has 53 entries
Barron has 243 entries
Barrin non entries
Barrens Henry Crumlin Kilmore Monaghan 1825
Barrens Thomas Denover Moynalty Meath 1827
Barrens Thos Denover Moynalty Meath 1827
Barrens Thomas Shanearn Moynalty Meath 1827
Barrens Baltrasna Moynalty Meath 1827
Barrens Patrick Shelbagin St James and Dunbrody Wexford1833
Barrins none
Barrons Shanakill St Patrick's Limerick, Clare 1825
2. Tithe Applotment Books 1823-1837 Part 2 in the 6 counties originals in PRONI, Belfast
my index of the Irish Gemealogy Hub listing by parish see http://www.irishgenealogyhub.com/
Barren, Charles-Townland: Derrahollow Year: 1832-Belleek-Fermanagh
Barren, Dr. Townland: Edenderry Year: 1828-Seapatrick-Down
Barren, James-T: Unagh Y: 1827-Lissan-Derry & Lissan
Barren, James-T: Unagh Y: 1827-Lissan-Tyrone
Barrens, Henry-Townland: Derryarnish Year: 1834-Aghagallon-Antrim
Barrens, John-Townland: Moyntaghs Year: 1834-Aghagallon-Antrim
Barrens, Robt.-Townland: Ballycavin Year: 1834-Aghagallon-Antrim
Barrens, Widow Townland: Deerpark Year: 1834--Glenavy-Antrim
Barrens, William-Townland: Derryarnish Year: 1834-Aghagallon-Antrim
Barrin/Barrins no entries
Barron, Andw.-- Townland: Divernagh (Whaley) Year: 1835-Killevy-Armagh
Barron, Andw.-- Townland: Divernagh (Whaley) Year: 1835-Killyman-Armagh
Barron, Charles-- Townland: Divernagh (Whaley) Year: 1835-Killevy-Armagh
Barron, Charles-- Townland: Divernagh (Whaley) Year: 1835-Killyman-Armagh
Barron, Chas.-- Townland: Divernagh (Whaley) Year: 1835-Killevy-Armagh
Barron, Chas.-- Townland: Divernagh (Whaley) Year: 1835-Killyman-Armagh
Barron, J. Counselor-Townland: Kinghill Year: 1834- Clonduff-Down
Barron, James-- Townland: Divernagh (Whaley) Year: 1835-Killevy-Armagh
Barron, James-- Townland: Divernagh (Whaley) Year: 1835-Killyman-Armagh
Barron, James-T: Stughanbeg Y: 1826-Tullyniskan-Tyrone
Barron, James-Townland: Carmavey Year: 1827-Killead-Antrim
Barron, Jas., Jr.-Townland: Loughmorne Year: 1816-Carrickfergus-Antrim
Barron, Jno.-Townland: Loughmorne Year: 1816-Carrickfergus-Antrim
Barron, John-Townland: Ballylinney Year: 1835- Ballylinny-Antrim
Barron, John-Townland: Ballylinny Year: 1835- Carnmoney-Antrim
Barron, John-Townland: Carneil Year: 1830-Raloo-Antrim
Barron, John-Townland: Carneil Year: 1830-Ramoan-Antrim
Barron, John-Townland: Ednigo Year: 1834-Dromore-Down
Barron, John-Townland: Lisnaward Year: 1834-Dromore-Down
Barron, John-Townland: Loughmorne Year: 1816-Carrickfergus-Antrim
Barron, John-Townland: Monkstown Year: 1835- Carnmoney-Antrim
Barron, John-Townland: Slunmerow Year: 1816-Carrickfergus-Antrim
Barron, John-Townland: Toneylisderritt Year: 1834-Cleenish-Fermanagh
to be continued
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continued
Barron, Jos.-Townland: Killgreel Year: 1833-Templepatrick-Antrim
Barron, Jos.-Townland: Loughmorne Year: 1816-Carrickfergus-Antrim
Barron, Joseph-Townland: Ballynabarnish Year: 1833-Templepatrick-Antrim
Barron, Joseph-Townland: Craigarogan Year: 1833-Templepatrick-Antrim
Barron, Joseph-Townland: Ednigo Year: 1834-Dromore-Down
Barron, Joseph-Townland: Killgreel Year: 1833-Templepatrick-Antrim
Barron, Joseph-Townland: Lisnaward Year: 1834-Dromore-Down
Barron, Josh.-Townland: Carnanee Year: 1835- Carnmoney-Antrim
Barron, Joshua-Townland: Anaghanoon Year: 1834-Donacloney-Down
Barron, Robert-Townland: Kilmacrew Year: 1833-Magherally-Down
Barron, Robt.-Townland: Craigarogan Year: 1833-Templepatrick-Antrim
Barron, Robt.-Townland: Loughmorne Year: 1816-Carrickfergus-Antrim
Barron, Saml.-Townland: Ballylinny Year: 1835- Carnmoney-Antrim
Barron, Saml.-Townland: Glastry Year: 1834-Inishargy-Down
Barron, Saml.-Townland: Knockagh Year: 1816-Carrickfergus-Antrim
Barron, Samuel-Townland: Ballylinney Year: 1835- Ballylinny-Antrim
Barron, Widow - Townland: Divernagh (Whaley) Year: 1835--Killevy-Armagh
Barron, Widow - Townland: Divernagh (Whaley) Year: 1835--Killyman-Armagh
Barron, William-Townland: Balleny Year: 1834-Dromore-Down
Barron, William-Townland: Ednigo Year: 1834-Dromore-Down
Barron, William-Townland: Marshalstown Year: 1816-Carrickfergus-Antrim
Barron, William-Townland: Slunmerow Year: 1816-Carrickfergus-Antrim
Barron, Wm.-Townland: Lisnaward Year: 1834-Dromore-Down
Barrons none listed
I had no idea I would find so many potential locations of relatives, it proves your need for any other clue.
One could repeat the same search for Jane Hamilton seeking all Hamilton (Hamilton has fewer variant spellings in my experience). and finding the small chance of the surname being in the same parish, and not unknown the same townland! would be lucky and a priority location to home in on first. However in2. Tithe Applotment Books 1823-1837 Part 2 my index of the Irish Gemealogy Hub listing by parish see http://www.irishgenealogyhub.com/ has at least 780 entries just in the 6 counties
the almost single spelling variants are
Hamillton,Hamiltan, Hamilten, Hamitlon, Hamliton
So my conclusion is there are 753 entries for Hamilton in Tithe Applotment Books 1823-1837 Part 1 in the 26 counties. its a lot of work to sort 1500 entries back to county parish and even townland, that might produce nothing. so apologies over to you
best of Irish luck anyway