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Title: You show me yours ......
Post by: joboy on Monday 11 August 08 23:29 BST (UK)
and I'll show you mine!!
This is the oldest photo of a family member that I have in my collection ..... dont know when it was taken but he was born in 1771.
Thomas Flower born Reading Berks.
Joe
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Post by: daval57 on Monday 11 August 08 23:47 BST (UK)
Has this photo been enhanced?  Quality seems very high to have been of someone b1771 considering how young photpgraphy would have been. 
Perhaps someone can date the clothing.
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Post by: chinakay on Tuesday 12 August 08 03:00 BST (UK)
Joboy, could you rescan this photo please? Do it in colour mode, and please include the edges and corners....

Is there a design on the back at all?

Cheers,
China
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Post by: PrueM on Tuesday 12 August 08 03:16 BST (UK)
Considering he's probably in his 60s or 70s in this photo, I don't think it could be the man you think it is, joboy  :-\  because that would mean the photo was taken in the 1840s, which is next to impossible.  Looks 1880s or 90s to me...

Sorry!

Prue :)
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Post by: joboy on Tuesday 12 August 08 03:16 BST (UK)
Sorry,I do not have the original photo ... the image was kindly sent to me by new found cousins in New Zealand.
I must agree that the photo is of fine quality and I would tend to think that Thomas b 1771 was in his Sunday best when it was taken around 1848 as a memory for his son William and family who migrated to NZ that year.
My 'Flower's' descend from William's brother John who like his father Thomas stayed in Reading.
I shall make a point of asking my NZ family link if there is any writing on the photo or it's reverse side.
Joe
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Post by: LoneyBones on Tuesday 12 August 08 03:23 BST (UK)
This is my oldest photo, taken in 1873.
I have a copy of an older family photo but it's not mine to post.
If Joe's photo was taken in the late fifties it would fit with someone born 1771.
Leonie.
 
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Post by: daval57 on Tuesday 12 August 08 03:24 BST (UK)
Considering he's probably in his 60s or 70s in this photo, I don't think it could be the man you think it is, joboy  :-\  because that would mean the photo was taken in the 1840s, which is next to impossible.  Looks 1880s or 90s to me...

Sorry!

Prue :)

That's kinda where I was heading too.  I didn't want to come out and say it without more info.  It looks like a studio photograph which never really started until mid 1850's which would make your Mr Flower 80+?  I can't see it.
It'll be interesting to find out more about the photo.
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Post by: PrueM on Tuesday 12 August 08 03:30 BST (UK)
A photo taken in 1848 would be extremely uncommon to find in a family collection...this looks like a standard Albumen print from the hey-day of the carte-de-visite and Cabinet cards (1860s-1890s).

If you could find out more about the pic, do let us know - it will be interesting to find out more about it  :)

Prue
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Post by: chinakay on Tuesday 12 August 08 03:44 BST (UK)
When did Thomas die, Joboy?

C
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Post by: LoneyBones on Tuesday 12 August 08 03:52 BST (UK)
Maybe Thomas had the photo taken and sent later than 1848??
I have a print of several ambassadors in America 1855, one has a double breasted suit with silk collar like Arthur's. It's a good quality photo, so if Thomas was fairly prosperous or a public figure, there very well could have been a special occasion for a better quality photo.
I'm a trier.  ;D
Leonie.
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Post by: joboy on Tuesday 12 August 08 06:09 BST (UK)
Your responses have necessitated a closer look at my records and to compare them with the recent info from NZ.
In respect to this I strongly suspect that my NZ cousins have got the wrong Thomas. and that the Thomas in the photo was born Reading 1798 son of Thomas Flower and Martha (nee Parr) .... so he was from a later generation and a brother of William (1800) who took his family to NZ also John (1793) who was my 2ggf.
Thomas in the photo looks to be in his 60's so I guess the photo was taken sometime around 1860 or so would'nt you say?
Phew ....... glad that we (collectively) sorted that out.
Now to tell my NZ cousins the news.
Joe
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Post by: mark.r on Tuesday 12 August 08 08:09 BST (UK)
Hi is there a site to look for members of the family.Mark
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Post by: PrueM on Tuesday 12 August 08 10:43 BST (UK)

Thomas in the photo looks to be in his 60's so I guess the photo was taken sometime around 1860 or so would'nt you say?


Hi Joe  :)

I still think it's later than that, but without seeing the whole thing it's really hard to tell  :-\  I think the fellow in the photo is around his 60s, though.

Cheers
Prue
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Post by: PrueM on Tuesday 12 August 08 10:43 BST (UK)
Hi is there a site to look for members of the family.Mark

Hi Mark,
Can you be a bit more specific?  :)  Members of what family?

Prue
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Post by: Cell on Tuesday 12 August 08 12:59 BST (UK)
Hi,
This is one of our (mine and hubby's)oldest photo's I think.

It's hubby's G G Grandmother Jane Samuel who was from Llanelly.
 I don't know when it was taken and I can't make out her age in this photo ( except that she looks middle age )  as the small photo is in such terrible condition, but I do know  she was born in 1839 - So if she is around  40 ish in the photo, I guess it was taken in the early 1880's. It came out of a photograph album which used to belong to his grandmother.

This picture is in it's original scanned form. We have enhanced ones , but I have posted the original scanned photo for you to see it in it's original form

( P.S  She hasn't got a black eye  ;D a- it's a mark on the picture)

Kind Regards
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Post by: jethorp on Tuesday 12 August 08 15:01 BST (UK)
Eliza Whitehead with her first born child Mary Ellen. The picture was taken 1881.This is my Grt Gandmother, she was born in 1860
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Post by: MarkyP on Tuesday 12 August 08 15:02 BST (UK)
Excellent thread!  :)

This is my 5xG.Grandmother Maria Jerome, born in 1789, unless of course you know better! She died in 1883.

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Post by: Tsu on Tuesday 12 August 08 15:44 BST (UK)
Mine are not as old as that.  Here is my husband's grandfather Matthew Thomas England born in Melbourne in 1890 (picture must be about 1894) and the lady and child are relatives, I just don't know which ones yet...LOL
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Post by: crystalight on Tuesday 12 August 08 18:18 BST (UK)
Enjoying the old photo's  ;)

I think this may be my eldest always thought it was my great grandmother born 1858 died 1933 but speaking to my elderly uncle at the weekend he has thrown some doubt on it because he does not remember her it such "old fashioned" clothes!

Is anyone able to date the picture?
I am now wondering if it is my great grandfather's mother born 1826 who also lived in Worthing?

Crystal  :D
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Post by: oldtimer on Tuesday 12 August 08 18:31 BST (UK)
Wow Crystal, I just love your photo! What a wonderful character she looks!!

I am enjoying all the photos on this thread  :D

The subject has been covered before, if anyone would like to see some other examples -

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,245382.0.html

Judy  ;)
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Post by: Erato on Tuesday 12 August 08 18:37 BST (UK)
GG Grandfather, Benjamin Henry Chapman, born 1820 in Wicklow and photographed in about 1880.
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Post by: crystalight on Tuesday 12 August 08 18:41 BST (UK)
Wow Crystal, I just love your photo! What a wonderful character she looks!!

I am enjoying all the photos on this thread  :D

The subject has been covered before, if anyone would like to see some other examples -

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,245382.0.html

Judy  ;)

Thanks for the link Judy,

I agree she does look a character - wish I knew for certain who she was  ???

Crystal  :D
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Post by: oldtimer on Tuesday 12 August 08 19:00 BST (UK)
Hi Crystal  ;)

Have you tried posting her on to the Restoration Board and asking the experts for their advice on a date? Might be worth a try  :D

Judy  ;)
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Post by: JDGen on Tuesday 12 August 08 19:01 BST (UK)
Here is one of my photos - some albums came to light at a family reunion containing photographs from the 1860's and 1870's.  This one is labelled (yes, they were labelled as well!) as being of my 3xggrandmother Alice Pennell nee Birchall who died in 1861 - I've attached a picture of the back as well, perhaps the experts on the list could confirm or deny the possibility...... :)

Jean
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Post by: oldtimer on Tuesday 12 August 08 19:02 BST (UK)
Another cracker!!

You should also post it on the restoration board for a date!!!
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Post by: daval57 on Tuesday 12 August 08 19:10 BST (UK)
If any of you do decide to post on the restoration board, you will need to rename the image first.
Dave
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Post by: crystalight on Tuesday 12 August 08 19:14 BST (UK)
 ;) Thanks for advice Judy and Dave - I will do that

Crystal  :D
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Post by: chinakay on Tuesday 12 August 08 19:25 BST (UK)
Hi Jean...the back of the photo you've posted here is a late 1870s design, but that doesn't mean the photo is necessarily from that time as well. It could easily be a later reprint.

The subject is shown  as a "vignetted head" portrait, which came into vogue around 1860 and went out of fashion gradually. Since we can't see her clothing, I'd say from what we can see that this could certainly be a photo of a lady who died in 1861. It's indeed possible.

Cheers,
China
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Post by: JDGen on Tuesday 12 August 08 19:37 BST (UK)
Thanks China,

Good to know that it is possible - there are at least 2 copies of the photo in existence, one in an album so I couldn't scan the back, and the loose one with the back as shown, so it could have been a reprint of the original.

The albums are on my website (Pennell Albums 1 & 2) if anyone is interested - link is from my profile.

Enjoying all the photos on here!  ;D

Jean
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Post by: MarkyP on Tuesday 12 August 08 22:36 BST (UK)
I would love to know who was the first person born to have their photo taken? (as opposed to who was the first person who had their photo taken). Have tried to google it, but haven't come up with answer.  :(
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Post by: Sloe Gin on Tuesday 12 August 08 23:47 BST (UK)
This is Aunt Agnes, half-sister of my great-grandfather - and also his first cousin!  since her father died and then her mother married his brother (my GG grandfather).

Agnes was born in 1829 and died 1899.  The photo is on glass.

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Post by: chinakay on Tuesday 12 August 08 23:57 BST (UK)
Hi Cats, what a fabulous photo, I'm so envious! Likely taken between 1855 and 1865, when glass or Ambrotype photos were being produced.

How about making a higher-resolution scan, say 300-600 dpi, and posting it on the Photo Restoration board for a little tidy? There's an area lower left that could be cleaned up a bit...and you might find out some more things about the picture!

You will need to change the file name slightly, just adding a letter or number will do.

Cheers,
China
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Post by: joboy on Wednesday 13 August 08 00:30 BST (UK)
Hi is there a site to look for members of the family.Mark
Hi Mark ....... if you mean you are interested in the Flower/s families from Reading Berks and nearby then PM me with your particular interests and provide your email address so that I can send attachments.
Joe
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Post by: PrueM on Wednesday 13 August 08 00:52 BST (UK)
I would love to know who was the first person born to have their photo taken? (as opposed to who was the first person who had their photo taken). Have tried to google it, but haven't come up with answer.  :(

Hi MarkyP,
What's the difference between the two scenarios you mention?  Aren't they both the same thing?
Prue  :)
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Post by: daval57 on Wednesday 13 August 08 00:55 BST (UK)
I would love to know who was the first person born to have their photo taken? (as opposed to who was the first person who had their photo taken). Have tried to google it, but haven't come up with answer.  :(

I'm googling Thomas Wedgewood, Niepce, Fox Talbot and Daguerre just now but no joy so far.  Wouldn't be surprised if it was one of their relatives.

Modified to correct typo - thanks China
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Post by: chinakay on Wednesday 13 August 08 00:57 BST (UK)
Try Niepce, Dave...
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Post by: LoneyBones on Wednesday 13 August 08 00:58 BST (UK)
I think the first person to have his photo taken was a boot polisher.
The photo was a time exposure and as he was sitting polishing boots he was the only person who came out in the print. Everyone and everything else that was moving was blurred. But can't remember off hand who took the photo.  ::)
Leonie.
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Post by: daval57 on Wednesday 13 August 08 01:01 BST (UK)
I would love to know who was the first person born to have their photo taken? (as opposed to who was the first person who had their photo taken). Have tried to google it, but haven't come up with answer.  :(

Hi MarkyP,
What's the difference between the two scenarios you mention?  Aren't they both the same thing?
Prue  :)

MarkyP now offline Prue so I'll take the liberty of replying.  No, I don't think they are the same.
The 1st person to have their photo taken may have been born in say 1800, the 2nd born 1790.  
So the 1st person to be born that had their photo taken was actually the 2nd person to have their photo taken.
Clear as mud, eh ???

Dave  
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Post by: joboy on Wednesday 13 August 08 01:11 BST (UK)
I am so very glad that I started this topic .... I have learned a lot ... and thank you to the photo buffs who are having their say ......... beautiful photos ... keep sending please.
I just googled 'earliest photos' and there is one by Joseph Niepce in 1825 showing a boy leading a horse.
Joe
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Post by: daval57 on Wednesday 13 August 08 01:18 BST (UK)
That's a photo of a drawing.  I found that too.
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Post by: daval57 on Wednesday 13 August 08 01:20 BST (UK)
Just found this but being Wikipedia, I don't rely on it.  Seems too late too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Cornelius
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Post by: LoneyBones on Wednesday 13 August 08 01:31 BST (UK)
Google and Wiki will wonder what hit them. ;D They're having a run on first photos.
I still opt for the one by Dagguere, 1838. Even if the person in it was serendipitous.
Leonie.
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Post by: daval57 on Wednesday 13 August 08 04:09 BST (UK)
I was asked to spell serendipitous at school once and got it correct.  Teacher thought it was a pure fluke. :D 
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Post by: LoneyBones on Wednesday 13 August 08 04:16 BST (UK)
My Grandparent's beach cottage was called "Serendipity" and being curious I had to know what it meant. My Grandmother made me "Look it up in a dictionary."
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Post by: nickgc on Wednesday 13 August 08 05:21 BST (UK)
This married couple were both born in the late 1790s by best estimate.  They were my 3rd great grandparents.  They were Dunkards (no, not a misspelling, rather a German religious group now called "Brethren").

The husband died in 1865 so I estimate early 60s for the photos.  Altho she looks rather stern, she also looks younger than 60, so could be before then.

Does anyone think the quality is good enough that they might be worthy of sending to the resto board?

Nick
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Post by: LoneyBones on Wednesday 13 August 08 05:59 BST (UK)
Of course, send them to the restore board.
But scan them seperately at the highest resolution you can get.
They're wonderful photos.
Leonie.
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Post by: kiwihalfpint on Wednesday 13 August 08 06:08 BST (UK)
The title got me going .... butting in here ......Joe you started a wonderful thread .... all the photos are wonderful ....... the clothes, children ..... expressions..... I will be following this thread to watch the next photos appear.  Well done everyone. :) :) :)

KHP :)
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Post by: joboy on Wednesday 13 August 08 06:18 BST (UK)
Glad the title of the topic got you going.
Had a good teacher in sales 40 years ago and his favourite sayings educating me were;
1) First get their attention!!
2) An eyeful is better than an earful!!

On with the photos.
Joe
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Post by: chinakay on Wednesday 13 August 08 06:41 BST (UK)
I'll second that, Joe!

This is my oldest. What gets me about it is that it lay around in a cupboard full of junk for decades, until I finally realised what I had...

Margaret Parry, born 1831 Ffestiniog. Restored.

Cheers,
China
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Post by: MarkyP on Wednesday 13 August 08 06:46 BST (UK)
I would love to know who was the first person born to have their photo taken? (as opposed to who was the first person who had their photo taken). Have tried to google it, but haven't come up with answer.  :(

Hi MarkyP,
What's the difference between the two scenarios you mention?  Aren't they both the same thing?
Prue  :)

MarkyP now offline Prue so I'll take the liberty of replying.  No, I don't think they are the same.
The 1st person to have their photo taken may have been born in say 1800, the 2nd born 1790.  
So the 1st person to be born that had their photo taken was actually the 2nd person to have their photo taken.
Clear as mud, eh ???

Dave  

Hi Prue, yep Dave has explained it. Basically the first person born who ended up having their photo taken! The only reason it interests me is because of the lady in my photo who was born 1789! I've always found it difficult to explain!  :)
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Post by: deeiluka on Wednesday 13 August 08 07:15 BST (UK)
Here's a couple of my old photos from a collection of 86 that all seem to have been taken between the early 1860s and the late 1870s.

These were definitely taken in Adelaide, South Australia,  in 1864 as they are named and dated in old faded handwriting on the back. Even the ages of the children are given. Unfortunately only a few of the photos are so easy to identify.


......dee
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Post by: PrueM on Wednesday 13 August 08 07:38 BST (UK)
I would love to know who was the first person born to have their photo taken? (as opposed to who was the first person who had their photo taken). Have tried to google it, but haven't come up with answer.  :(

Hi MarkyP,
What's the difference between the two scenarios you mention?  Aren't they both the same thing?
Prue  :)

MarkyP now offline Prue so I'll take the liberty of replying.  No, I don't think they are the same.
The 1st person to have their photo taken may have been born in say 1800, the 2nd born 1790.  
So the 1st person to be born that had their photo taken was actually the 2nd person to have their photo taken.
Clear as mud, eh ???

Dave  

Hi Prue, yep Dave has explained it. Basically the first person born who ended up having their photo taken! The only reason it interests me is because of the lady in my photo who was born 1789! I've always found it difficult to explain!  :)

Right!  I think I've got it now... ??? ;D

Not sure we'll ever know that, I'm sure loads of photos have been lost over the years...but if you consider Talbot and Daguerre etc. were taking photos from the 1830s on, it's not hard to imagine that someone born in the 1770s could have sat for them  :)

Daguerre himself was born in 1787, so presumably he was one of the earliest-born people to have his portrait taken (I think there was one taken in 1839...); one of the first portraits taken in America, at least, was by Cornelius and you can read about it here: http://www.amphilsoc.org/library/exhibits/treasures/cornelius.htm

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Post by: kiwihalfpint on Wednesday 13 August 08 10:13 BST (UK)
First you got me going .... now I have had this niggling all afternoon/evening .... and I don't want to go to my bed with this niggling, so am posting .... and you guys can niggle over the photos. ;D ;D ;D ;D

Two photos of my ggrandmother ..... one is taken a few years later.    Born 1832 died 1919.   No idea of dates as this was given to me either from the original or a copy of the original.    Am wondering if the lace around her neck has anything to do with it.

Cheers
KHP :)

Number 2 posted below
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Post by: kiwihalfpint on Wednesday 13 August 08 10:14 BST (UK)
oops .... here is number 2
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Post by: JJbeech on Thursday 14 August 08 07:56 BST (UK)
Loving the pics!! :D
Keeping an eye on the vic pic website!!! Hoping it starts working soon!!! :)
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Post by: prophetess on Thursday 14 August 08 09:54 BST (UK)
Not my Oldest, but will post this for a start,

This is my Great Grandmother, born 1875 to 1923
 ;) and Also the Great Great Grandmother of JJbeech  ;D
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Post by: JJbeech on Thursday 14 August 08 10:04 BST (UK)
You have older?? :o need to be checking those out!!! ;)
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Post by: kiwihalfpint on Thursday 14 August 08 10:14 BST (UK)
Keep them coming Proph:)   

KHP :)
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Post by: prophetess on Thursday 14 August 08 10:25 BST (UK)
Cheers Kiwi,

Well That woke up JJbeech,  ;D guess she will be raiding her great grans photo tin next time she is over  ::)
You have older?? :o need to be checking those out!!! ;)
Yes dear but oldest on a floppy  :P

Sybil
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Post by: JJbeech on Thursday 14 August 08 10:27 BST (UK)
you've been keeping that a secret!!!
And ps i know you just did that to get me to post!! :-X :-*
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Post by: kiwihalfpint on Thursday 14 August 08 10:41 BST (UK)
Sybil :)   Is there going to be rilvary between you and JJ on this thread ;D

Cheers
KHP :)
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Post by: JJbeech on Thursday 14 August 08 10:54 BST (UK)
lots and lots likely, always has been!! LOL ::) :)
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Post by: prophetess on Thursday 14 August 08 10:54 BST (UK)
LOL not at all Kiwi Just discovered Her mum has her Great Gran's Photo Tin she never knew I had, I hope I might manage to get some from my aunts and uncles next week while away for a few days  ;D fingers crossed,

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Post by: MissM on Friday 15 August 08 14:00 BST (UK)
Gosh, what an interesting thread!

I stumbled into the Common Room looking for help with something completely different and was intruiged by this thread's name!!! Does that reflect on the state of my mind...?  ;)
Anyhow, here's my Great Grandad William Roberts and his wife Mary (nee White) and their hairdressing salon.  I don't know where the shop is but the details I have on them are as follows:

William Roberts – Great Grandad
Son of Philip Roberts and Elizabeth Lawson
Born c1863 Liverpool
8 Nov 1863 to 20 Dec 1863 5 Tenterden St
1871 Census living in 37 Tenterden St
1881 Census Hairdresser living in 38, Court 3h, Hornby St
1885 living in Highfield St
31 Mar 1885 married Mary White
20 Oct 1887 to 10 Nov 1889 20a Bostock St
1891 to 1901 living in 143 Hopwood St
1903 Gore/Kelly Trade Directory - 114 Copperas Hill
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Post by: MissM on Friday 15 August 08 14:12 BST (UK)
Great Grandad Roberts' shop.

MissM
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Post by: kiwihalfpint on Friday 15 August 08 22:03 BST (UK)
What wonderful pictures ...... a nice little change to see a shop ...... but look at the price of cutting!!! :) :) :) :)   and how much it costs now ;D ;D
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Post by: MarkyP on Friday 15 August 08 23:40 BST (UK)
In 1890 according to the National Archives currency converter, 2d would equate to 50p now! I pay £5 for my haircut and I think that's cheap!  :)
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Post by: daval57 on Friday 15 August 08 23:43 BST (UK)
What wonderful pictures ...... a nice little change to see a shop ...... but look at the price of cutting!!! :) :) :) :)   and how much it costs now ;D ;D

Yes, but look at the hairstyles!
MarkyP - where do you go?  It might be worth travelling.  Of course, I don't get pensioners discount yet!  ;D
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Post by: daval57 on Friday 15 August 08 23:53 BST (UK)
Full version of my avatar attached.
Apologies because I know some of you have seen it before.
Not my oldest photo, but one of my favourites.  4 gens of Robert Forrests from my gg grandad to my uncle Bobby.

MODIFIED - Young Bobby was born in 1911 so this is a recent photo by standards on this thread.

Joboy.  Brilliant thread!  Sorry I threw a spanner in the works at the beginning. :(
Dave

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Post by: kiwihalfpint on Saturday 16 August 08 00:21 BST (UK)
Dave ...... I didn't actually notice the hairstyles ..... but wonder if that was the style back then ;D

Glad you put the photo up ..... I haven't seen it and it is great ..... haven't seen many photos of generations with men taken.   What a keepsake :D


KHP :D
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Post by: alftabor on Saturday 16 August 08 00:35 BST (UK)
Dour men
Grandfather,Father and my Uncles
Alf
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Post by: KarenM on Saturday 16 August 08 00:35 BST (UK)
This is my gr gr gr grandmother, Anna Maria (Reinhart) Huck who was born in Germany c1815 and came to Canada c1840.  She died in 1894.  I'm glad someone wrote on the back "Our dear mother, October 1894".   ;D

Karen
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Post by: joboy on Saturday 16 August 08 00:40 BST (UK)
Joboy.  Brilliant thread!  Sorry I threw a spanner in the works at the beginning. :(
Dave
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Dave ....... did'nt notice the spanner ........ very very grateful for your querying the age of the image that I got from NZ.
Joe
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Post by: Dave Hall on Saturday 16 August 08 00:41 BST (UK)
All thes WONDERFUL photos.
Lets get them on the restoration board,and see then in their full glory  ::)
Dave
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Post by: joboy on Saturday 16 August 08 01:11 BST (UK)
The photos are magnificent!!
My ancestors were butchers for a couple of centuries in the Southwark,Peckham and Brixton areas and I 'googled' some few years ago looking for images of the trade in those areas.
This is my favourite ......... not my ancestors but it gives a great incite to what they looked like ... the meat display is great dont you think?
Joe
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Post by: daval57 on Saturday 16 August 08 01:19 BST (UK)
Dour men
Grandfather,Father and my Uncles
Alf

Love these group photos.  I've got a few but they have been copied so many times, they are really blurred.

I'm going to visit my cousin Carol next Friday.  Her brother,  Brian, (obviously my cousin too) died last year, (brief pause for emotion).  
Anyway, Brian was the last person to live in the family home and apparently, there is an abundance of photos that have been passed down.  
I am so looking forward to seeing the photos - yes of course I'm looking forward to seeing Carol but I saw her earlier this year - I aint seen the photos.

Apparently, they were in a biscuit tin. (ring any bells Sybil/JJ)

Dave



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Post by: kiwihalfpint on Saturday 16 August 08 01:24 BST (UK)
All thes WONDERFUL photos.
Lets get them on the restoration board,and see then in their full glory  ::)
Dave

Will do Dave ;D
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Post by: daval57 on Saturday 16 August 08 01:30 BST (UK)
The photos are magnificent!!
My ancestors were butchers for a couple of centuries in the Southwark,Peckham and Brixton areas and I 'googled' some few years ago looking for images of the trade in those areas.
This is my favourite ......... not my ancestors but it gives a great incite to what they looked like ... the meat display is great dont you think?
Joe

My family - butchers too.
Honest, I'm not making this up.
Just an opportunity to share photos....

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Post by: kiwihalfpint on Saturday 16 August 08 01:47 BST (UK)
Was trying to look at the prices of meat .... but my eyes couldn't make anything out. ;D

A great photo ......   :)
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Post by: daval57 on Saturday 16 August 08 01:59 BST (UK)
Let's get this back on track!  I keep getting off the point. >:(

Geez mair owd photies!

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Post by: joboy on Saturday 16 August 08 02:38 BST (UK)
Dave said;
My family - butchers too.
Honest, I'm not making this up.
Just an opportunity to share photos....

How fortunate you are Dave to have photos of your ancestor's shop.
I only wish that I had taken more notice of all the 'bits and pieces' in shoe boxes etc when I was young .... too late now of course ......... but how nice it is to see what others have kept in good condition.
Joe
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Post by: daval57 on Saturday 16 August 08 02:51 BST (UK)
I've been very lucky Joe. 
Lots of photos have been kept.  As I said earlier, I'm hoping for more next Friday when I see Carol - photos from the family home must be new to me (is there an emoticon for lots of fingers crossed?)

PS... learning curve.....at the top right of each post it says "quote".
Saves you cutting and pasting (or retyping if you're a complete numpty  ;D ;D ;D).
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Post by: daval57 on Saturday 16 August 08 03:11 BST (UK)
More older photos....
These are not very old but, again, I love them.
My Mothers Uncle William. 
First photo is him with 'Terries'. William (front row centre) went on to serve in The Great War, won the DCM, got home, then died in 1919.
Imagine, surviving WW1 and then dying the next year of natural causes.


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Post by: daval57 on Saturday 16 August 08 05:24 BST (UK)
Please look here .... http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pruesfamily/index.html
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Post by: JJbeech on Saturday 16 August 08 06:00 BST (UK)


Apparently, they were in a biscuit tin. (ring any bells Sybil/JJ)

Dave
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Certainly does!!! Give a whole new meaning to "raiding the biscuit tin"!!! ;D
I'll be raiding next time!!!

jj

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Post by: kiwihalfpint on Saturday 16 August 08 06:56 BST (UK)
JJ, I would like to be a fly buzzing around when you do that, and Sybils expression!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: JJbeech on Saturday 16 August 08 07:15 BST (UK)
no doubt she'll tell you before i can!
If she doesn'tlet me know I will ;) but i suspect she'll laugh alot at MY expressions!!!! old pics - love 'em!!!!!! ;D
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Post by: kiwihalfpint on Saturday 16 August 08 07:24 BST (UK)
no doubt she'll tell you before i can!
If she doesn'tlet me know I will ;) but i suspect she'll laugh alot at MY expressions!!!! old pics - love 'em!!!!!! ;D

I doubt it JJ .... I hardly go into the chatroom these days .... so you might be the first to tell me :D :D

KHP :D
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Post by: MarkyP on Saturday 16 August 08 08:59 BST (UK)
What wonderful pictures ...... a nice little change to see a shop ...... but look at the price of cutting!!! :) :) :) :)   and how much it costs now ;D ;D

Yes, but look at the hairstyles!
MarkyP - where do you go?  It might be worth travelling.  Of course, I don't get pensioners discount yet!  ;D

I'm not there yet either!  :) Got about another 20 yrs to go!  ;D
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Post by: ridban on Saturday 16 August 08 09:03 BST (UK)
I would love to know who was the first person born to have their photo taken? (as opposed to who was the first person who had their photo taken). Have tried to google it, but haven't come up with answer.  :(

I have a book called "A Country Camera 1844-1914.

On the front cover is a photo of Robert Morvinson, carrier and shoemaker of Stallingborough, Lincs, taken 1857, when he was 82. He was born in 1775, when the US was still a British Colony, and Bonnie         Prince Charlie was still alive, according to the caption.

I bet he's a pretty good contender for the title.

Linda
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Post by: oldtimer on Saturday 16 August 08 09:10 BST (UK)
These are my great great grandparents. It is a photo of a painting which was made from a photo - long gone  :(

Maurice was born in Ireland around 1845. Adelaide was born in Staffordshire in 1851

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Post by: daval57 on Saturday 16 August 08 09:19 BST (UK)
I would love to know who was the first person born to have their photo taken? (as opposed to who was the first person who had their photo taken). Have tried to google it, but haven't come up with answer.  :(

I have a book called "A Country Camera 1844-1914.

On the front cover is a photo of Robert Morvinson, carrier and shoemaker of Stallingborough, Lincs, taken 1857, when he was 82. He was born in 1775, when the US was still a British Colony, and Bonnie         Prince Charlie was still alive, according to the caption.

I bet he's a pretty good contender for the title.

Linda


That sounds really interesting Linda.
Any chance you could at least scan that front page and post it?
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Post by: ajbaker on Saturday 16 August 08 09:42 BST (UK)
Loving all these pictures. I thought I'd add to them. Unfortunately my grandmother had a go at colouring this one in when she was little.

The lady in the centre is my 3x great grand aunt, Jane Ogilvie (b.1808). Sitting on the carpet in a red dress is my GG grandmother Kitty (b.1857) and her sister Allie is on her right (b.1853). Jane ran a girls' school and the photo is of her with her boarders.

On the back someone has written that Jane's face is turned away from the camera to hide the fact that she had to have half her jaw bone removed, before the days of anaesthetics!

Adam
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Post by: ridban on Saturday 16 August 08 09:44 BST (UK)
I would love to know who was the first person born to have their photo taken? (as opposed to who was the first person who had their photo taken). Have tried to google it, but haven't come up with answer.  :(

I have a book called "A Country Camera 1844-1914.

On the front cover is a photo of Robert Morvinson, carrier and shoemaker of Stallingborough, Lincs, taken 1857, when he was 82. He was born in 1775, when the US was still a British Colony, and Bonnie         Prince Charlie was still alive, according to the caption.

I bet he's a pretty good contender for the title.

Linda


That sounds really interesting Linda.
Any chance you could at least scan that front page and post it?
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Post by: ridban on Saturday 16 August 08 09:46 BST (UK)
Ooops! Sorry. Try again....here he is.
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Post by: oldtimer on Saturday 16 August 08 10:43 BST (UK)
Adam, what a super photo! Why don't you rescan in a higher resolution and post it on to the Restoration board for it to be coloured in properly!! I am sure it would look stunning!!
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Post by: daval57 on Saturday 16 August 08 11:45 BST (UK)
Linda, thanks.  Brilliant wee photo.

Adam, oldtimer just got there before me.  However, I was going to suggest you put it on restoration to get it back the way it was.

You'll probably get both.  Will be well worth the effort.

Dave
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Post by: JenB on Saturday 16 August 08 18:34 BST (UK)
My photo shows four generations of my family, and was taken about 1918.

from left to right:

My great-great grandmother Jane born 1847, born Hexham, Northumberland 1847

My grandfather Richard, born Commondale, Yorkshire, 1892

My grandmother Hilda, born Iveston, County Durham, 1892. On her knee their daughter Annie, born 1917.

My great-grandfather John (father of Hilda) born Consett, Co. Durham, 1866.

My great-great grandfather Thomas, born Iveston, Co. Durham 1843.

I still have the silver locket which my grandmother is wearing in this photo.

Jennifer
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Post by: JenB on Saturday 16 August 08 18:38 BST (UK)
Here are Thomas (b.1843) and Jane (b. 1847- see previous post) when they were a little younger.
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Post by: ajbaker on Saturday 16 August 08 20:26 BST (UK)
Great photos, Jennifer. I really like the elderly couple.

Oldtimer & Dave,
Yes, I think I will post it on the restorations board and see what anyone can do with it.

In the meantime, here's another - this time my Robinson relations from North Shields. A little later than my last one (1884 I think).

Adam
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Post by: chinakay on Sunday 17 August 08 00:49 BST (UK)
Adam, yes! Please scan at 300-600 dpi and put it on the Restoration board! I'm sure you will get some lovely restores to its original condition and some wonderful colourings. You will have to change the file name slightly...just adding a letter or number will do.

Cheers,
China
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Post by: mare on Sunday 17 August 08 05:51 BST (UK)
interesting pics everyone  :)

Unfortunately I don't have the original of this, just a photocopy which I have then photographed, but thought some may be interested in the image. Samuel William Dwen arrived in NZ from Kildare in 1863 and married Eleanor Connors, who he met on the journey, in 1864. He fought in the Maori Land Wars during the next 10 years and picture would be from that era.

mare
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Post by: kiwihalfpint on Sunday 17 August 08 06:05 BST (UK)
I took the plunge and put my two of ggrandma on the restore board and got some wonderful restores.

That is an interesting photo mare

KHP :)
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Post by: mare on Sunday 17 August 08 06:13 BST (UK)
Would love to see the original and get a better copy....  He took his family back to Ireland after 10 years then returned to NZ in 1885 with added family and farmed flax in your district near the Waikato River KHp

 :) mare
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Post by: kiwihalfpint on Sunday 17 August 08 06:47 BST (UK)
I know people of that surname mare ;D
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Post by: mare on Sunday 17 August 08 07:14 BST (UK)
Thought you might ... On OH Maternal line  :)
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Post by: Maggie. on Wednesday 20 August 08 22:56 BST (UK)
What wonderful pictures - only just discovered this thread.

This isn't old by comparison to others on here but I love this pic. of my mum in 1909-ish.  It's my current avatar, but a bit bigger.

Maggie
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Post by: LoneyBones on Thursday 21 August 08 00:26 BST (UK)
These are not my oldest, but a couple I like.
My Mum, 1917, the next is her Dad and Aunty, about 1891.
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Post by: Maggie. on Thursday 21 August 08 09:30 BST (UK)
Gosh, I can certainly see a strong family resemblence, LoneyBones  :D
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Post by: mare on Thursday 21 August 08 09:51 BST (UK)
Precious photo of your mum Leonie, agree with Maggie on family likeness.

Lovely one of your mum too Maggie ...as seen on avatar  :)

I don't think there were any studio pics of my mum born 1916, or her 4 sisters  :( if any exist I've never seen them. I do have a couple of small pics of them as children playing outdoors though.

 :) mare
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Post by: oldtimer on Thursday 21 August 08 12:05 BST (UK)
Aaaaaaaaah Maggie  ;)

Your mum looks lke a china doll!!!
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Post by: LoneyBones on Thursday 21 August 08 12:06 BST (UK)
Thank you.  :D
I love that photo of my Mum. Your Mum is a doll too Maggie.
Isn't it a shame that kids nowdays all look like little adverts for something, with logos on their T-shirts.
Then again....
Back then they all looked like girls in dresses and our generation asked why did boys wear dresses. Now we ask why do girls wear jeans and T-shirts.
HHmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.  ??? I guess it goes full circle.  ;D
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Post by: Maggie. on Thursday 21 August 08 14:45 BST (UK)
Thanks for the nice comments about my mum, although she didn't always look like this  ;)

LoneyBones - when I look at your avatar - the family look is there in you also  :)
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Post by: oldtimer on Thursday 21 August 08 17:04 BST (UK)
Hi  ;)

Here is my grandmother (the older girl) her siblings and parents, who were both born in 1865.
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Post by: oldtimer on Thursday 21 August 08 17:07 BST (UK)
..... and my grandma and grandad shortly before they married in 1914.
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Post by: daval57 on Thursday 21 August 08 17:12 BST (UK)
oldtimer, that last one would be good for restoration board.  Someone would be able to crop it with a nice border and maybe even take the other jaikets oot completely.
It's a nice photo and would be worth it I think.
Dave

2 minutes and I'm no expert....kept it small because this isn't the appropriate thread.
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Post by: oldtimer on Thursday 21 August 08 17:33 BST (UK)
That's nice Dave! Thank you!

I will take up your suggestion!!

Judy  ;)
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Post by: daval57 on Thursday 21 August 08 17:33 BST (UK)
We're a bit away from the point of joboy's original post but here's my own contribution (untouched).  One set of my maternal great grandparents.

All these photos are fantastic to look at. :)  
I'm forever looking at albums in junk shops etc but it's even better when you see a photo knowing that it is still with the family.
Makes me sad when I see old albums for sale - I always think that the person that owned them must have been alone at the end of their life. :(
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Post by: Maggie. on Thursday 21 August 08 18:49 BST (UK)
What interesting photographs - I love looking at them.

This one is probably my oldest and he has appeared on RC before - in fact he has had several clean-ups.  But thought I would post him here in all his original glory.  I have an inkling who he might be but I cannot prove it.

Maggie
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Post by: daval57 on Thursday 21 August 08 18:51 BST (UK)
Dolls and restoration board........

This wee lassie is another example of a wee doll at the time.  She's only related to me through marriage but it's such a nice photo.

I want to post this, not only to compare it with the other beautiful photos of kids that you've posted, but also to advertise the benefits of the restoration board.

There is so much talent there.  


Modified. 
PS I hasten to add that the restored photo is not my work.  You will find out soon enough who the artists are.

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Post by: meles on Thursday 21 August 08 19:01 BST (UK)
Gosh, you lot are SO lucky! The oldest picture I have is of great grandma.

No images of other great grandparents...  :'(

meles
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Post by: daval57 on Thursday 21 August 08 19:04 BST (UK)
Gosh, you lot are SO lucky! The oldest picture I have is of great grandma.

No images of other great grandparents...  :'(

meles

You keep digging.  One of these days, you'll meet a relly that has loads of photos.
And that one you have... brilliant. 
Some folk have none.
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Post by: meles on Thursday 21 August 08 19:06 BST (UK)
Thank you for reminding me how lucky I am! We sometimes forget... :)

meles
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Post by: JenB on Thursday 21 August 08 19:36 BST (UK)
You keep digging.  One of these days, you'll meet a relly that has loads of photos.

Yes - it does happen!! The second photo I posted http://www.rootschat.com/links/044t/ (together with several others) was sent to me by a contact made through Genes Reunited. The funny thing was that she didn't know exactly who they were. I was able to confirm their identities to her because I already had a photo of them when they were older (shown on the previous post)

Jennifer
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Post by: Cas (stallc) on Thursday 21 August 08 19:41 BST (UK)
My G G Grandparents c 1860.  Pic was together at some point, I think.

Richard was born 1820 Harriet was born 1834. This picture of Richard is also in The Worcester City Museum.  The Worcester Soldier Exhibition, along with his medals.  Am very proud of it and the history relating to him I have discovered.

Cas
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Post by: daval57 on Thursday 21 August 08 20:09 BST (UK)
Cas,

The clock? or ornamentation behind them certainly looks the same.
There's another for someone to work on - get them both b/w or sepia and join them as the 1 photo.
Sounds easy to me but there is no chance I could do that.

Dave

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Post by: oldtimer on Saturday 23 August 08 19:08 BST (UK)
To get the ball rolling again -


here is my great grandma Ellen, born 1865, died 1935 -



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Post by: crystalight on Saturday 23 August 08 19:53 BST (UK)
 :D She looks a lovely lady Judy, nice photo too  8)

Crystal :D
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Post by: oldtimer on Saturday 23 August 08 20:23 BST (UK)
Thank you Crystal  :D :D

I have posted this on the Restoration Board and had some fabulous restores, and many nice comments about her.

Because I couldn't chose between the restores, I posted the original.

Judy  ;)
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Post by: crystalight on Saturday 23 August 08 20:31 BST (UK)
Thank you Crystal  :D :D

I have posted this on the Restoration Board and had some fabulous restores, and many nice comments about her.

Because I couldn't chose between the restores, I posted the original.

Judy  ;)


Clever people on that board,  ;D  I have had some really tattered pictures restored beautifully - as you say it can be difficult to know which to choose because they are all so different  :-\

Crystal  :D
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Post by: crystalight on Saturday 23 August 08 20:43 BST (UK)
Not a photo as such but a picture from a family book (The Hearseys Five Generations) - my 4X great grandmothers brother Sir John Bennett Hearsey KCB born 21 sept 1793 in India and died 23 Oct 1845 in France

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Post by: oldtimer on Sunday 24 August 08 09:37 BST (UK)
Ooooh, that is impressive Crystal! What an interesting life story he must have!!  :o :o
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Post by: crystalight on Sunday 24 August 08 14:42 BST (UK)
 :o :o
Yes Judy, I was shocked and amazed when I uncovered this side of the family, mostly born in India with impressive records in the East India Co and their Armies. I was extremely lucky with him as someone has written his biography. I wish the other sides of the tree were as easy to find  ::)

Crystal  :D