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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Berwickshire => Topic started by: LCL on Monday 18 August 08 11:43 BST (UK)
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Hi there
Was wondering if any one had access to the Lennel cemetery records. I have my ancestors of the name Dickson buried there and would be interested in them and any other Dickson's.
Thanks
Linda
Australia
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I don't have any monumental inscriptions but live close to Lennel and could have a wander around for you. Is there any particular time period that is of interest?
The cemetery is split into three parts, the old part is unkempt and overgrown, the two newer sections are easier to get around, i'm not entirely sure what dates relate to the two older sections (i believe there is some overlap).
Glen
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Hi Glen,
Wow thank you so much for your offer, I would greatly appreciate any help.
I definately know of one headstone, is it possible to take a Picture at all if you can find it?? the details are on the front of the headstone it says, I believe, Jane Pringle aged 28 died 1795, spouse of George Dickson
daughter Margaret aged 12 died 8 June 1810 and then on the back of the headstone it says George Dickson died 17 Dec 1829 aged 71 and Jane Mossman 18 Aug 1839 aged 81. This is my direct family and of course definately interested in any other Dickson's but that could be a challenge. I dont know where my lot are exactly buried in the cemetery, sorry, but recently acquired the above information from a headstone buriel index, that someone sent me.
Thanks kindly for your offer, I wish i knew this information when i was in Coldstream love the area.
Sincerely
Linda Lawless
Australia
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Hi Linda
I will have a look over the weekend for you, if i spot anything i will grab some photographs too.
I did vist the cemetery a few months ago taking photographs of the church ruins within the oldest section, it was pretty overgrown at the time. The weather has been so wet this last few weeks i'm hoping it has been cut back a bit otherwise it will be like a very wet jungle!!
For now, some pictures, one of the church ruins and the other is the mort house within the ruins
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m146/glenintinselknickers/Scotland%20POW/LennelChurch2.jpg)
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m146/glenintinselknickers/Scotland%20POW/LennelChurchMortuaryHouse.jpg)
This might be a bit awkward to read but it's a potted history about the site;
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m146/glenintinselknickers/Scotland%20POW/LennelChurchBoard1.jpg)
Glen
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Hi Linda
I'm afraid it doesn't look hopeful. Apart from the overgrown grass and weeds, many of the stones are so badly weathered they are virtually impossible to read, those that can be made out are mostly far later than the dates that you posted. Other stones are laid flat and haven't been moved in many years.
However i did find these two in the old section, ironically one is fairly clear and is earlier than the dates you mention,
Archibald Dickson of London, who died Bartle Mill, April 16th 1792 Aged 32 Years, this stone was erected by his widow
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m146/glenintinselknickers/stuff/lennell004.jpg)
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m146/glenintinselknickers/stuff/lennell008.jpg)
I did find another more recent stone but need to try and decipher the inscription. Also i the newer section i know of at least two more headstones (again more recent events).
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Hi,
THese are in the pre 1855 M.I.'s of Coldstream.
155 (badly worn).
? Henderson 68 yrs. his spouse Agnes Dickson 62 yrs. 3 children John ? and Isable. Margaret Aitchison spouse to William Henderson and Agnes Robison dau. to William 4 yrs.
195 The Burying Ground of Walter Dickson.
245. By George Shiel dau.Mary Wood d at Windy Walls 19.6.1852 2 yrs. son George d. at Oxenbridge 21.7.60 8 yrs. above George Shiel d at Cornhill 31.3.78 57 yrs. sister in law Helen Dickson d at Cramondhill 17.12.79 68 yrs. wife Elizabeth Dickson d at East Newbigin 22.10.1891 78 yrs.
282. Archibald Dickson of London d. at Bartle Hill 16.4.1792 32 yrs (by his widow).
314. Jane Dixon wife of William Yule 18.12.1874 73 yrs.
On Back.
Jane Pringle spouse of George Dickson 26.8.1795 28yrs. dau. Margaret 8.6.1810 12 yrs. George Dickson 17.2.1829 71 yrs. his wife Jane Mosman 18.8.1839 80 yrs.
315. George Dickson, weaver in Coldstream his Burying Place.
Hope of some help.
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Thanks Beckey
Looks like the stone may have a slightly different inscription to what we first believed then?
I'm close to Lennel anyway so can pop back pretty easily and look again.
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To Glen and Becky,
wow just found all this you have kindly done for me I am thrilled, i cant thank you both enough, yes only tonight I have found out that on the headstone was a jane dickson (yule) and on the back was my family, she is also family i believe at this stage.
and thanks for popping back again Glen wow it would be wonderful if you found it, your kindness is greatly appreciated.
Can i help either of you with any Australian research if so just email me.
holding my breath for the next installment.
thanks so much
Linda
Australia
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Hi Linda,
If Jane is a relation.
1841 Coldstream,High St.
William Yule M 36 Lab BEW.
Jane F 25 ( 35?) " .
Alison F 12 ".
Wm. M 8 ".
Maria F 5 ".
Ann F 1 ".
1851 Gass Lane.
Williame Yule H M 46 Fishmonger (Pauper Eng.
Jane W M 49 Bew,Coldstream.
William S U 17 Carter ".
Maria D U 15 House Serv. ".
Ann M. D U 11 Scholar ".
1861 Gas Lane.
William Yule H M 56 Ag.lab. Eng.
Jane W M 59 Bew,Coldstream.
Maria D U 25 Domestic ".
Robert Yule Reaid G/S 7 Scholar City of Eboro.
Jane Yule McLaren G/D 4 Midlothian,Leith.
Annie M.Y.Smith G/D 16 m Bew.Coldstream.
According to IGI Wm & Jane m. 28/7/1833 Coldstream.
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Hi again,
Dicksons in Coldstream, 1841.
Skaithmuir.
James Dickson M 25 Ag.Lab Bew.
Catherine F 25
Thomas M 4
Robert M 2
Thomas M 70 Ag.Lab.
Christian F 65
Margaret F 30.
Muirhouses.
Christian Dickson F 60 Pauper Bew.
Gas Lane.
Thomas Dickson M 25 Carter Bew.
Christian F 25 Eng.
George M 4 Bew.
Nth Side of New Rd.
Isabella Dickson F 55 Bew.
Robert M 15 Tailor Jrnymn. Bew.
Duke St.
William Dickson M 30 Ag.Lab. Bew.
Margaret F 25 Eng.
Robert M 5 Bew.
Mary F 2 ".
High St. Sth Side.
William Dickson M 26 Shoemaker Outside County ".
Euphemia F 25 ".
Margaret F 9 mths Bew.
Wm. M 4 ".
East of Church.
Wm. Dickson M 45 Shoemaker Bew.
Jane F 45
Walter M 20 Blacksmith App.
Wm. M 15 M.S.
Margt F 12.
If any ring a bell let me know.
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Hi Linda
My other half is called Gail Dickson, (nee Meikle). She has been divorced for quite a while now and hasn't really looked into the Dickson side of her family tree.
She did however speak to a Dickson relative who has done quite a bit of work on the Dickson tree, (all Coldstream connections and back to the 1700's) he has been looking for the headstone for quite a while, he has a plan of the cemetery and it looks very much like several of the stones relating to the Dickson family are no longer there, including the Jane Pringle/Jane Mossman/George Dickson stone.
We can't say for certain if there is a connection to your Dickson branch but it looks quite likely.
I'll let you know of anything else i discover.
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Hi Becky and Glen,
thanks for the census information, at this stage I am not sure, maybe the William Dickson with Jane is a possiblity, at this stage we have a couple of children for George Dickson and Jane Mosman, their son George and his family eventually came to Victoria Australia, he does have a brother William that we know nothing of at this stage.
Glen how fascinating about your partners ex family, I would dearly love to be able to contact this person as it sounds promising there is a conection there somewhere and thanks again for looking into the headstone for me and the other pictures. to both of you thanks so much for your help and interest. If you go to my web site http://users.bigpond.net.au/lawless-family-history/ and click on Dickson and you will see a brief history of My Dickson family and feel free to use my email to contact me.
thanks again to you both
Linda Lawless
Australia
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Hi,
Unfortunatley there is no George in 1841, so must have gone to Northumberland before then.
William, nothing to compare with birth date of 1803 in Coldstream from 1841.
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Hi. I am from Canada, and have inherited a partially done family tree. I am fascinated by the stuff, but alas, I am new to this research thing.
I do see some ancestors posted here by Beckey, that we are direct descendants of. " James and Catherine Dickson with sons Thomas and Robert". Just wondering if the Thomas and Christian posted with them are possibly his parents.
What I can share is that they emigrated to Canada in 1846, approx. There is no record of their journey across that has been located yet, however the immigration date was found on the census of one of their sons. Is there a place to check outgoing migration from Scotland to see if a paper trail does exist for this families migration to Canada?
By the time they arrived to Canada, they also had a third son, not on this census.
Because they are all Dicksons on this Census for this area, is it likely they are all related?
Is there a way to go back further than this 1841 Census to find out what Catherines maiden name was, their wedding date, if they were born in Berwickshire, other kids, etc?
His headstone in Canada, has the qualifier "Native of Dumfries" on it, so I'm not sure where he was born.
I also have a couple other questions:
I do not know Scotland geography very well, but am trying to learn it. Does anyone know if people that were born in Dumfries in early 1800s would migrate to Coldstream? They seem a fair distance apart on the map....I'm thinking...long walk!
Also, I did see some paperwork showing the variation of typical english lettering to Scottish lettering, which spells out to me that I won't be able to read the old documentation without first having a knowledge of the way it is written. Thus I'm wondering if a membership to Ancestry.com would be better than a membership to a pay as you go site that I heard about thats in Scotland, for an illiterate in Scottish handwriting person such as myself?
Thanks for taking the time to read this. Hope I've explained it well enough to be clear. Jake.
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I realise it is a long time since the original question was posted, but I have just picked up on this Lennel Dickson thread.
I have a Dickson burial in Lennel in my tree. Agnes Dickson, who died in 1868, was the second wife of my 3rd great grandfather George Murray. They had one daughter, Jane Agnes Murray. The headstone in Lennel commemorates Agnes, George and his son William from his first marriage.
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Hello Linda,
Just going through some old posts and I remember seeing this one of yours years ago but I can't remember whether I ever replied to you. Too long ago! Your name certainly rings a bell so maybe I've been in touch with you by some other means if not here on Rootschat.
Anyway, just wanted to inform you - and you might know this already by now - that the headstone was still standing when I was there in July 2018. Stone is really solid but extremely difficult to read. I have photos and a video of me searching for it through overgrown grass on a very hot windy day. Reminded me of a similar hot blustery day I spent leaping around Bacchus Marsh Cemetery one summer, checking out all the Dicksons. Are we related? If so, do you have a tree online somewhere? Mine is still in its early stages on Ancestry.
Best regards,
Lois Kittelty