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Looking for Harriett Puver ???
Known facts are:
4th Sept 1911
4 Lennox Street, Nottingham ,James Puver was born to mother Harriett Puver a Lace hand, birth registered by H Puver, mother on the 27th Sept 1911.
4th October 1913 Register Office, Nottingham
Harriett Puver spinster aged 22 of 1 High Pavement Yard, High Pavement, Nottingham married Arthur Tom Luty.
On the marriage Cert. Harriett stated her father was Tom Puver (deceased) Bricklayer.
PROBLEM ???
Where was Harriett born? according to the marriage cert (aged 22) that would make her year of birth abt 1892.
I cannot find her on the 1901 census, and she is not coming up on Ancestry BMD or FreeBMD at all.
I have found on the IGI (extracted):
Harrietta Puver
Birth: 8th June 1892
Christening: 4th Sept 1892 Birmingham, Warwickshire
Father: Thomae Puver
Mother: Annae McManus Puver
On the BMDIndex:
Harriet Purver
Apr-June Q 1892 Coventry 6d 622
I have been unable to find Tom (Thomas) Puver on any census,
1901 Census Aston Birmingham
I have found a Thomas Puffer (1860 Birmingham) with wife Elizabeth (1860 Birmingham) and daughter Harriett (1892 Birmingham), but this Thomas is an Iron Plate Worker not a Bricklayer.
(On the 1891 Census Thomas was still married to Elizabeth and was still an Iron Plate Worker)
This clearly isn't the Thomae and Annae from the IGI, I cannot find them on any census.
Getting totally confused now and really need help :'(
Which is my Harriett?
Any help would really be appreciated.
Many thanks
Jan
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HI Janet,
Could the ANNAE on the IGI be a mis transcription of "ANNA E" The E could have been for ELizabeth!!.
The occupation on the marriage certificate is not always accurate and her father may have been an iron plate worker until late in his life and perhaps only a bricklayer much later. It might also be that Harrietta thought that bricklaying was more socially corect than an iron plate worker.
I feel you have found the correct families but purchasing some certificates may help.
Robyn in Australia
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Hi Robyn,
Thanks for your imput.............PROBLEM ???
I can't find a BMD Reference for Harriett Puver.......... only Harriett Purver
all the best
Jan
nb Does Coventry District cover Birmingham?
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Janet,
found a Thomas POVER b c 1849 married in the Manchester infirmary in 1881 census in the LDS site!! He was a striker for a blacksmith!!!
Don't get too worried about POVER/PUVER/PUFFER/PURVER etc. It could all be the one name just recorded or transcribed differently each time.
good luck
Robyn in Australia
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Hi Robyn,
Sorry you have lost me....the problem is finding Harriett's birth, if she was telling the truth about her father's profession (bricklayer) thenthis Thomas who is a Blacksmith's striker would not be the right father.
all the best
Jan
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Janet,
Just thinking outside the square: How do you know that she was telling the truth? It is only an assumption that she was. Have you found his death at all?
And horrible thought could it be a mistranscription of "POWER"
Robyn in Australia
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Hi Robyn,
I understand this, but I feel I have to go by known facts (even if they are wrong in the end). If I start looking at all variations of Puver, Purver, Pover, Power I will get knowhere.
If skp could find me the BMD for Harriett Puver that would be the icing on the cake lol
all the best
Jan
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janet,
sometimes you just have to look at alternatives as the inforamtion is not htere. It is disguised in some way. Usually this is a misspelling ie
Dicksee has been transcribed in the IGI as Dickson and they were famous artists. Memebers of the RA etc maried a into nobility and royalty attended the funeral of one who had been knighted.
I found a BDM for a THOMAS POVER
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Sorry Janet
didn't finish & hit the wrong button:
for MARCH 1906
Pover Thomas 45 Chester 8a 273 ,
This is in the correct time frame.
good luck
Robyn
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Thank you Robyn
all the best
Jan
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Hi
We also tend to forget that there were an still an awful lot of people who could neither read nor write during that time period and if they went to register a birth, marriage or death and had a heavy accent ie Brummie or Geordie it would be very easy for the Registrar to spell it incorrectly.
My Rooney's are often mispelt as Roney, which I couldn't understand until I tried saying it with a soft Irish accent and then everything fell into place.
Half Pint
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Not sure if this has been noted but there is a marriage..
1883-Liverpool
Vol 8b-Page 82
Thomas Pover
Annie Mcmanus
Jane
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oh Jane,
Bless you hadn't found that one!!! many thanks
all the best
Jan
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I have now received 2 certs from GRO ;D
Birth:
Harriet PURVER
8th June 1892 Workhouse USD
father: Thomas PURVER General Labourer (his mark Thomas Purver Workhouse Coventry)
mother: Ann PURVER formerly McManus
Registered 14th June 1892 sub district St John, Coventry
marriage:
16th January 1883 St Nicholas Church, Liverpool, Lancs
Tomas POVER 23 years, Batchelor, Labourer, Living at Naylor Street, father William Pover (Labourer)
to
Annie McManus 20 years, Spinster, no profession, living at Naylor Street, father Peter McManus (Labourer)
Witnesses William Cooper and Annie Austin
Thomas and Annie made their mark
:'( :'( :'( :'(
Still can't find them on any census...............please any help
many thanks
Jan
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http://www.workhouses.org.uk/index.html?Coventry/Coventry.shtml
- might be interesting to look at the Coventry workhouse records.
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Thank you Jorose,
I found this site yesterday, it's very interesting, but of course no mention of any Puver/Purver/Pover's lol.
all the best
Jan
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Hi
Just another POVER
resource you might like to look at:
http://www.your-family-history.com/p/pover-family-history.php
has lots of census information.
regards
Robyn in Australia
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Hi Robyn,
Thankyou for the link, I am subscribed to this site and Ancestry, but cannot find this family on any censuses.
all the best
Jan
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Hi Janet
Not sure if you have seen this entry
1871-Cencus-Windle-Lancashire
RG10/3863/92/63
Mc Manus
Peter 43 head b Liverpool Plasterer
Mary Ellen 43 wife b Shrewsbury/Salop
Ann 6 dau b Birkenhead/Cheshire
Jane
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Oh thankyou...will take a look at the image
thanks again Jane
all the best
Jan
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Hi.
Harriet's husband, Arthur Tom Luty, was my great, great uncle and I know nothing about Harriet therefore this is very interesting for me. Anyway, I know that you're really looking for Harriet's family but here is a link to Arthur just for your records if you're interested.
http://www.cpgw.org.uk/soldier-records/arthur-tom-luty/
Good luck with your search.
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Hi,
I can solve your problem! Harriett was my great grandfather's sister or possibly half sister. She is Harriett Fox on the 1901 census, Annie was married to Arthur Fox by then.
In the 1911 census Arthur is not listed as a resident but Harriett is still living with Annie and her two younger brothers and is now a Puver again.
Hope that helps!