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Details please from marriage of Joseph greenhow to Mary Ann Taylor 25th March 1837
Any fathers?
Thanks
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Details please from marriage of Joseph greenhow to Mary Ann Taylor 25th March 1837
Any fathers?
Not much chance ... registration (and fathers' names) didn't begin till July 1837.
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Hi Woodlands
Welcome to rootschat. Are you anywhere near an LDS Family History Centre? They are worldwide and listed on www.familysearch.org You can order the film of the parish register and search it for yourself. That shows burials too which is always interesting as you can build up a complete picture of the family. They will also be at Carlisle record office if anyone happens to be going there. Assuming that they were local then their baptisms may appear on the IGI as both parishes are covered. Have you found them in all the census records? Sometimes you get an elderly parent with them.
Andrea
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Are they the couple living in Watermillock in 1851? Joseph is an ag lab from Castle Sowerby and Mary Ann is born Scotland? Children Thomas, John, George, Jospeh, William and Dinah?
Andrea
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Hi to those who have kindly replied so far & thank you.
Re my above lookup request.
We started researching the Greenhows 30 years ago (before computers ;)) & have extensive family. Joseph Greenhow's father we know was Thomas but we have been unable to find Mary Ann Taylor's father or family. She was born in Moffat (Dumfrieshire) according to the 1851 census probably about 1818. Back then we had noted the marriage entry but cannot remember or find any written details of it.......did we just get it from the IGI? We do remember looking at bishops transcripts & registers at Carlisle, & the Mungrisdale/Greystoke registers sometimes gave a lot of info re parents etc. We still have our old notes.
We have tried Scotlandspeople etc but no matches. Visited Moffat churchyard recently but to no avail.
A father's name might just give us something more to go on.
Re the family in Watermillock in 1851. Yes these are they.
My husband & I now live in the Highlands, whilst there is an LDS church, the opening hours for research are not suitable for us to use. We have made use of their facilities in Leeds many years ago.
Thank you for your suggestions.
I'd read on this site where someone had the Mungrisdale/Greystoke registers on microfiche?
Just want the entry checking please to see if father is given &/or place they gave as living at.
Joseph's father Thomas was a Yeoman at West Ing, Mungrisdale. Joseph & Mary Ann moved to Thackthwaite, Watermillock & Thomas did eventually go live with them.
Hope that fills in a bit more. I was trying to be brief with my first posting. :)
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Ah, you will soon learn that it does not pay to be brief! Give as much as you have - especially if you have census etc as it saves others looking for information you already have and they can concentrate on what you actually want. If you use the search box at the top of the page to search the rooschat site you might find who has the fiche you want and then you can direct the post at them. Once you have posted a few more times you will be able to use our personal message system and contact them direct. You click on the scroll under their name.
Have you tried looking at the Scotlandspeople site for Mary?
I started 30 years ago too! I think I actually enjoyed the hunt more then as it was more challenging than just sitting at a computer.
Andrea
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Hi Andrea,
Yes I agree, I think it was more exciting before computers. Having said that though, being in the Highlands, our research would have come to a standstill without it.
Thanks for help re posting, I will try that as I think I have found the person who had the fiche.
Yes have tried Scotlandspeople. Only 2 Mary Ann Taylors & not anywhere near where she was supposedly born. It is possible of course that she was from Cumbria & her family were moving around. The area where the Greenhows lived was where the Borders & Scots drove down their cattle & there were many hiring fairs etc.
I have a possible year of death....1859 Penrith district but there were 2 in that year. Her last child was born about 1857/58 & she was dead by 1861.
I shall keep trying!
Thanks,
Margaret
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hi margaret
i am the person with the microfiche but sadly i dont have the microfiche reader any more
i am also researching the greenhow family in mungrisdale as they are direct lines to my gill familly
margaret greenhow married john gill in 1850 daughter of richard greenhow and mary jacques.
to be honest i am unsure when i will be next at a library to look at the microfiche i have on the mungrisdale records
regards
michael gill
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Hello Michael,
Thanks for your prompt reply! Wow..you've got Greenhows. That's interesting about Mary Jacques. Greenhow is actually my husbands direct line.
Would be interested in your line. We have worked on the following.
Josephs father Thomas Greenhow was Bapt 25/7/1791 to Dan Greenhow & Mary Jacques. Other children were Elizabeth, John, Mary & Abraham.
Dan & Mary were married 17/1/1788 BUT Dan had been married before to Elizabeth Workman of Berrier 6/9/1768 & had one child, another Joseph bapt 29/6/1769
This Mary Jacques we believe had previously been married to an Isaac Noble 6/6/1775 Greystoke.
We don't know who Dan Greenhow's father was but a possible is Joseph Greenhow of Moor End Mungrisdale as we found a Dan bapt 25/9/1740 Moor End.
Any of the above ring any bells?
But thank you for your reply.
Margaret
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hi margaret
this is what i have so far
john jacques married elizabeth !!
children:
william 1761
john 1765
mary 1767
thomas 1774 of greystoke
william jacques married 24 oct 1781 mary richardson
children:
mary jacques 1801 of greystoke
mary jacques married 18 mar 1820 richard greenhow
children:
elizabeth 1820
john 1822
william 1824
mary ann 1825
margaret 1827-1888
sarah 1829
dinah 1833
abraham 1836
esther 1842
mary jacques 1801-1849 richard greenhow 1797-1870
margaret greenhow married john gill
this couple is my direct line
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Hi again Michael
Got your Greenhows on a very old file card but didn't have Abraham & Esther. Also knew Richard married a Mary but not that she was Jacques.
We have that their daughter Elizabeth bpt 3/7/1820 had an illegitimate son Joseph bapt 7/11/1835, Souterfell, Mungrisdale. The father was Joseph Jackson of Penrith.
Also their son John bpt 9/3/1842 at Fieldhead, we have as marrying Mary Hodgson. John was a stonemason, she a dressmaker. see below:- :)
More interesting is that in 1861, John & Mary were living at High Folly, Thackthwaite, Watermillock with 2 children, Mary Ann age 11yrs & Abram J (sic). The "J" is Jacques! & he was bapt 29/5/1853 & Mary Ann 6/11/1849 both Watermillock.
BUT next door at Low Folly is our Joseph, a widower, with some of his children. Mary Ann (nee Taylor who I am trying to trace) was dead by this time.
On the same census is William Hodgson age 52 (a Stonemason) & his wife Ann age 44 living at Green Bank, Watermillock.....& guess what? her maiden name is Greenhow! So could William Hodgson be a brother to Mary Greenhow nee Hodgson?
Coincidence or what?! Confused....so are we.
There were other stonemason Greenhows in Watermillock too. We have not so far found a link to the other Greenhows or with your John next door to our Joseph. Surely though somewhere they all connect.
Even more.......William Hodgson & Ann had a son William Greenhow Hodgson & he died in 1922 & is buried in Watermillock. He married a Dorothy Ellen & they had a daughter Annie Alice (Wells) who died in 1969, still in Watermillock.
Hope you find the above useful & anymore info greatly appreciated especially on your Richard.
Margaret
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How nice that you have made contact. I have fiche reader but live in Sussex so not much help! I have always assumed that you are from Walker, Michael. One of my more eleusive ancestors gives that as her place of birth on every census but I have never found her!
Andrea
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hi andrea
i do live in walker in newcastle upon tyne
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hi andrea
can i suggest something
if you could give me your address via PM
i could snd you all the fiches i have as i have no need of them any more and maybe you could do a look up for margaret for her greenhow family
regards
michael
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How kind of you - address sent via pm. My Allen family lived in Walker in the 1840s. George Allen was a blacksmith but I think they were very poor from the sound of it. His daughter Margaret, whose birth I have never found, married into my Brown ancestors who were even poorer!
Andrea
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Michael - Very many thanks. The fiche arrived this morning. I am going to have fun with those as I have Hamsterley ancestors too.
Margaret - I can confirm the marriage in 1837 but as it is an index it does not give further details so that does mean looking at the original register to see witnesses etc..
Andrea
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Hi Andrea & Michael,
Thanks for your efforts. It looks as though this will have to stay as a "pending" for a long while yet. It's a long way from Inverness to Carlisle! :(
Regards,
Margaret
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Have you tried the Cumbria Family History group? They are very active and may be able to help.
Andrea
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Yes that might be a possible.
We were members many years ago but we let it lapse. Back then we didn't get much out of being in the group & we lived in our native Yorkshire, so Carlisle wasn't as far away. I'll try some other forums too.
Thanks,
Margaret
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hi andrea
the fiches were posted on friday to you, should be at yours by monday
regards
michael
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Message to Walkerlad: Hope this reaches you! I'm new to rootschat and can't work out how to message individuals. Hopefully you are the same walkerlad who is connected with the Sarah Corlett murder (Robert Gill committed suicide shortly after the girl's death in 1928 and was 'blamed/scapegoated' for her murder. I work for The Whitehaven News and plan to do a feature on the case as the police papers on it have recently been released to the public. Can you drop me an email on alan.cleaver at whitehaven-news.co.uk?
Thanks
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Hi Alan
Welcome to rootschat. You may be better to alter your email @ to AT so that spammers do not pick it up. Go into your post and click the modify button and then click save. Once you have 3 posts to your credit you can use our personal message system, c.ick on the name you want to contact and scroll down to send message option. Reply to this and you have one more post!
I am sure Walkerlad will see this eventually.
Andrea
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hi alan
i have got your message
regards
michael gill ( walkerlad )
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Hi, I saw your post regarding a Joseph Greenhow born on 15 Sept 1835 illegitimately to Elizabeth Greenhow and Joseph Jackson. I would be very interested if you have any further information on Joseph Jackson.
Elizabeth Greenhow was the daughter of William Greenhow & Ann Routledge they moved from Mungrisdale to Southwick Sunderland where Elizabeth married Thomas Carr and her Illegitimate son Joseph who was my great great grandfather and he became a master Mariner
Best regards,
Alan Turnbull
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If you use this site https://www.ogindex.org you can see a list of what's available online. In addition there are lots of burials on freereg - this is an ongoing project, rather stalled by covid-19. I can help with some burials that are not yet online up to 1941.
With a bit of searching - or using the link from ogindex - you can get to images of a detailed printed transcript of the register to 1757, although one or two pages are missing. It's pretty good at giving abode and occupation, and of course the placenames are still current.
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Thanks for the tip I think this page will be very useful generally.