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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Derry (Londonderry) => Topic started by: vicky elliott on Thursday 28 August 08 11:18 BST (UK)
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Hello- am completely new to this. Am trying to trace my family, some of whom lived at Fountain Hill in Derry. My Great grandad and grandad were Blacksmiths there and were around until about 1930 (i think). Where would I begin looking? Thnks :)
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Welcome to Rootschat. There are several sources for Londonderry that might help. You need to post the names and dates that you already know and what religion the family was as that will make a difference in where to search for records and what is available.
This looks like one of the family:
1910 Ulster directory- Londonderry (city)- Horseshoers- James Elliott, Fountain hill
www.libraryireland.com/UlsterDirectory1910/Londonderry4.php
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I've just checked Fountain Hill on the Search the Covenant site.
It looks as though the Elliotts didn't sign it 8)
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Hi. the elliott family lived in Fountain hill into the late 40s, maybe later even. I lived close to there and remember the forge still working. two of the children were Billy & John. I will check with the older members of my family as to more names. Will also check the 1901 census and Derry almanacs to see if any info there.
regards
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thanks for the lastest posts. I have no idea what happened to the family after he 1960s. My dad was born in 1940 in england and remembers going to the forge to visit the family in the 1950s and early 1960s. he remembers the orange marches- his family are catholic. one of his uncles was involved in the easter uprising (dennis elliott) and i have his obituary. I have never met any of dads family except his dad, bill, who died in the early 1980s. I imagine that most of family are still in ireland. thanks for any more info. does anyone know how i can find out more about dennis ? thanks!!!
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Hi Vicky this is census 1901 hope it of some use.
1901 CENSUS FOUNTIAN HILL
NAME family Rel.acc.Age Profession Born
James Elliott Head RC R&W 48 Blacksmith Derry,N.Ireland
Mary “ Wife RC R&W 50 ----------- Derry.
Edward “ Son rc R&W 21 Blacksmith Derry.
Hugh “ Son RC R&W 15 Scholar Derry.
Mary “ Dau. RC R&W 10 “ Derry
BF
PS have still to search Almanacs
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My dad has told my that one of his uncles was in the RUC as well. Is there any record or a roll I could search? Dad reckons it was cir. 1950-55. Apparently he was quite high up in the force. A catholic family with a member in the RUC. This must have been unusual. My dad's dad left Londonderry in the 1930s sometime. I know that he was in the RAF as was his older brother, John. I am thinking that he probably wanted to escape something or someone.
thanks for help :)
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Hello Vicky,
Welcome to RootsChat.
Send a message about your Dad's uncle to the Police Museum at Brooklyn, Knock Road, Belfast. The Archivist there may be able to assist you. Contact details are in this link www.psni.police.uk/index/police_museum.htm
Christopher
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thanks! will give it a go!
vicky
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Hi Vicky,
Just looked up Derry Almanac for 1953.
Gives a Mrs Margaret Elliot at 27 Fountain Hill. Also in trade directory section gives Laurence Elliot Horse Shoer Fountain hill.
There is also a Hugh Elliot horse shoer living at 56 Duke St. Which is adjacent to Fountain Hill. I have a vague memory they were related.
BF
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thanks bigfellow. Do you and your family remember the elliott's well? My dad does not remember many of the names of the family back in derry. he only visited a few times but does not recollect a Hugh. Do you remember William or John? William ( my dad's dad) moved to kent in the 1930s and visited with my dad, Michael in the 1950s.
thanks for all your help!
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Hugh Elliott was the husband of my great-great aunt, Mary Anne Doran.
Hugh was born in 1885 and died on 3rd June 1970. MaryAnn (1887-1966)
They had 13 children who are all now dead but I know that there are relatives still in Derry.
Hugh had a brother named Willie Elliott who was Catholic Priest.
Does this help?
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I have very little information on my Elliott family connection. My Great Granny's maiden name was Martha Elliott and according to a baptismal certificate she was baptised in the Long Tower Catholic Church at the age of 21 on 31 March 1864, she then married Patrick Doherty and according to the marriage certificate, both their addresses at the time was Bishop Street and her father's name was John Elliott and he was a labourer. Her mother's name was Jane Beggs and after her father died (no idea when) her mother then married someone by the name Guyler (don't know if this is the correct spelling), apparently he was a caretaker in the Memorial Hall. It was also reported that the Elliotts were originally from Eglinton direction. Any one out there connecting to this information? Nuala
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Hi Vicky
Just came across your name there and think I can tell you anything you need to know as my father Lawrence was reared in the Elliott house on Fountain Hill. His mother was Eileen Elliott who was born there also. She went on to marry an Elliott from a little place called Drumahoe so I am as elliott as you can get. My father was reared in Fountainhill with his maternal grandfather and grandmother after his mummy died in childberth. I remember all my fathers old aunts and uncles - there was Dennis (Im called after), patsy, John, Willie, Aggie, Mamie, Goretta, Bridie, Francis, Kathleen and Kitty. I have the family Tree and associated history going back about 2 hundred years if youd like a copy! Whats your connection? You related in some way then. Let me know if i can help! you can also get me at - (*) or (*).
Regards
Denny Elliott
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Hi Vicky
Just came across your name there and think I can tell you anything you need to know as my father Lawrence was reared in the Elliott house on Fountain Hill. His mother was Eileen Elliott who was born there also. She went on to marry an Elliott from a little place called Drumahoe so I am as elliott as you can get. My father was reared in Fountainhill with his maternal grandfather and grandmother after his mummy died in childberth. I remember all my fathers old aunts and uncles - there was Dennis (Im called after), patsy, John, Willie, Aggie, Mamie, Goretta, Bridie, Francis, Kathleen and Kitty. I have the family Tree and associated history going back about 2 hundred years if youd like a copy! Whats your connection? You related in some way then. Let me know if i can help! you can also get me at - (*) or (*).
Regards
Denny Elliott
Hi Vicky
I just realised that I have met your Grandfather William or Willie as I remember! He came back home for a while back in the late 80s i think it was. Remember having a few beers with him and chatting about the war...he was a gunner on a bomber if im not mistaken..at least thats what he told me!
Denny
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Dear Denny, My Great Grandmother was Martha Elliott born 1842 and at the time of her marriage to Patrick Doherty, their addresses were given as Bishop Street, her parents were John and Jane (nee Beggs) Elliott and her father's occupation on her marriage certificate was given as labourer. According to my mother, Jane Elliott married twice and the second time was to a guy by the name of Guiler. Do any of these names mean anthing to you. The only information we have on where the Elliotts came from was Eglinton/Drumahoe direction, so we don't have a lot to go on.
Nuala McGee
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Hi Nuala
My Family Tree information is with my cousin Des so I will get it back from him and look back as far as I can. My paternal grandfather was Joe Elliott from Drumahoe so he is probably connected to you in some way. He married my grandmother Eileen (Nee Elliott) who was an Elliott from Fountain Hill in the Waterside. The Elliott Family tree i have is the Elliotts from Fountain Hill and not Drumahoe so not sure how much information i can get you but leave it with me! Give me a couple of days and i'll see what i can find.
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:) Thanks for replying so quickly, much appreciated. I realise I have little information on the Elliotts. Looking forward to hearing from you. Nuala
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Hi Denny,
It looks like we are related (cousins maybe/ half cousins?). The long list of aunties and uncles (Willie, Kitty, Kathleen etc) are the ones my dad remembers. Do you still live in the area? I have never been over to ireland and my dad hasn't been over for a long time (maybe 30 years). Willie or "bill" died I think in the mid-late 1980s and dad's mum died when I was a lot younger, maybe 5 or 6. (i'm 36 by the way!). I have never met any of my dad's family except for Bill. Do you know anything about uncle Dennis (your namesake)? Dad said something about him being involved in the Easter rising. Do you know what happened to the rest of the aunts and uncles? Do you know any of them and their relatives. Is it true that some of them became priests?
Good to hear from you - thanks for the information!
Vicky
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Denny- Bill was a gunner in the war!!
Cheers, Vicky
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Hi Vicky! Well where to start! Dennis died way back about 1980 I think and yes he fought in the Easter Rising at Bolams Mill which was one of the strategic points that the rebels held along with the GPO. Devalera was the commanding officer at Bolams Mill (Dublin) and he actually escaped for a short time by jumping into the Liffey and swimming to the other side! Dennis has a daughter Mary....... She is very interested in tracking down family members and would love to meet you I'm sure. William, whom I am also called after (Dennis William) was a priest and I have found his grave but dont know a lot about him beyoyd that! .... (Patsys Daughter) has a picture of everyone of them so you will have to meet with us and have a look through the albums. There almost all dead now, the old aunts and uncles and only one remains - ..... and yes we know the different family members. I now live in Belfast and Pat lives in London but we keep in close contact - we were in Budapest last week for my 49th Birthday with Pats brother Des! Why dont you come visit and stay in Derry and Belfast for a while as I know lots of your family here want to meet you? .....
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Hi Denny- happy birthday for last week and thanks for the kind invites to meet you and everyone over in ireland. I'd love to come over and meet you in the future- I've got very young children who I'd like to bring over when they're bigger- Sam is 2 and James is 4. Did you know what happened to dennis straight after the Rising? I don't know much about the history but I know that the ring leaders were executed (i think). I wonder if dennis was arrested or something. Did you mean it was him who jumped in t he river and swam to safety or Develera? Dad mentioned that one of the other brothers was a senior member of the RUC. Are you aware of this? Are there still elliotts livinig in Fountain Hill now? Has the old Smithy become a trendy wine bar or something? Are there lots of Elliotts living in London?
Thanks for the info and best wishes!!
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Hi Vickey
Iam Gabrielle Carton nee Quigley my Mum is Aggie Elliott the youngest sister of your grandfather Willie as she called him. She is the only member of the family still living. I met your grandfather several times on his visits to Ireland in the late seventies early eighties. With auntie Nora I collected your grandfather from the airport on his first visit home for many years in the 70's. Just before his death I went to Kent with my mum and cousin Mauve to visit him in hospital. I was talking to Denny and he told me about you. I met one of his son's while over there could that be your dad? Yes Denis was involved in the Easter Rising and his daughter Mary was involved in Northern Ireland politics until recently.
Gabrielle
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Hi there Gabriella! Its wonderful to hear from you. Yes- it's possible that the son you met was my dad- michael. I'm really interested in Mary's political work- I teach law and politics to A level- actually my school does a trip over to dublin ever year to look as they study the rising. I am pleased to hear that Auntie Aggie is still with you and hope that she is in good health (am i right in thinking she must be in her late 80s?) Do you still live in the same area or have you moved on?
Kind regards, vicky
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Hi Vickey
Yea I still live in Derry though on the the cityside married a Cregganite what can I say. Mum still lives in the same area and will be 88 in April. She lives independently and has an active social life. I will talk to her when she visits at the weekend and tell her about our contact. Any information I can get from her I'll pass on. Good to hear from you regards to you and your family, talk soon
Gabrielle
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Devalera swam the Liffey and not Dennis!!! Don't know who the senior RUC officer was but it might have been a relative of your fathers called Danny McDaid...think he was a District Commander who's claim to fame was that he once arrested Ian Paisley! No Elliotts living in Fountain Hill anymore as it is now a bar called the Ritz which is a million miles away from being a trendy wine bar believe me!!! Glad to see Gabrielle has got in touch with you as she can talk to her mum and get you some more details. I am also going to contact Mary Nellis the daughter of Dennis who will be able to give you all the background stuff you want on her father and maybe a wee bit more!
Talk soon
Denny
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Hallo Vicky, Denny sent me a message that he had been in contact with you. I'm Mary, the eldest daughter of Denis. My Father died in 1977. I have nine children, twenty grandchildren and two great grandchildren. I retired for the Assembly in 2004. I was elected for a second term. I also served two terms as a City Councillor. I should tell you I am a member of Sinn Fein and the current Hon President of our party in Derry. I am so glad to be in touch with Willies family. I met your grandfather when he was here in the eighties. He and my Father were so alike they could have been twins.
regards Mary Elliott Nelis
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Hi Vicky
I had a chat with Mum she was gald to hear from Willies family. She would have been young when your grandfather left for England and says there was no ill feeling that she knows of. Glad Mary made contact she's right about Denis and Willie looking like twins. There was a large family of the Elliott's Denis Eileen John Willie Mamie Gretta Nora Bridie Katie Patsy Frances Anna and Aggie and Seamus who died as a baby. The priest you asked about was Fr Willie Elliott your grandfathers uncle he died in 1957. There was no members of the RUC I like Denny would think that Danny was the person they were talking about, his Uncle George was married to Auntie Gretta. (*) Hope this gaves you a little insight into your family in Derry.
Chat soon
Gabrielle.
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Hi Mary- thanks for your message. I have always assumed that somewhere there would be a republican interest running through the elliott family in derry- given your dad's history. I was in dublin for my 30th birthday and looked around for some memorial to the participants in the Easter rising with Dennis' name on but couldn't find one (Dad had told me there would be one in the GPO). I am amazed that you have lead such a full life politically given that you have such a large family ( i only have 2 sons and find working part-time v hard!). it's obviously something close to your heart and am pleased that all parties involved in NI are moving forward together peacefully and hope this continues. I have only 2 memories of Grandad- one of me and dad putting him on the train to go back down south and the other is when he taught me how to cheat at playing cards!!He was a lovely man and my dad talks of him with great fondess and respect. It's been lovely to able to touch base with the family in Derry. Funnily enough i actually consider myself Welsh- i was born and grew up there and speak the language- I'll be watching with great interest when we play ireland the six nations !!!
Take care and best wishes to all of your family, Vicky
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:)Hi Vicky Glad you picked up my message. I have been trying to pin down my late Fathers role in the rising. He rarely talked about it. I guess that is a characteristic of all Republicans given the nature of the struggle. Wise dont you think. I write for our local paper and for An Phoblacht. You can get my writings perhaps they are ravings, online at the Sunday Journal or derryjournal.com if you are interested. Our second cousin Ursala Mc Hugh is a nun and has researched the Elliott family tree. It is fascinating. I can send you a copy although it is not complete. Also the Elliott family have been in Derry such a long time. There is a number of streets named after the family. They were renowned singers and Denny,s Mother won the prestigious Blue Ribbon award at our local feis.
I can send you some of Ursala's research and also photographs of some members of your grandfathers sisters and brother taken at the various musical festivals. My son Declan is a film maker and he has some archival footage of events in Derry /Ireland. It a wet miserable Monday morning. As the song says I hate Mondays. Beir Bua Mary
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Hi Mary
I would love to see the information you have on the family tree, It was Denny's Grandmother Eileen who win the cup. Mum got very stroppy when I asked about Denis involvement in the Easter Rising I was told in no uncertain terms he was not involved, she was not even born then and her story is the one her parents told of him running away to join the army and his father buying him out. She calls your dad the quiet man "our Denis was very quiet and reserved wouldn't hurt a fly what would he be doing in a thing like that" thats Aggies story and she's sticking to it.
Gabrielle
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Hi Mary and Gabrielle- i have had a quick look at some of your articles in the Sunday journal but couldn't find you in An Phoblact. Are any of you on facebook? Well done on the rugby- big showdown on sat against the welsh coming up ! Vicky
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Hi Vickey
Iam on facebook I have only signed up recently and have not used it much. No rugby fans in my house two Liverpool fans who were very happy on saturday.
Gabrielle
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Hi Vicky
My mum past away 6 weeks to cancer, she was 60 years old. A couple of years before she got sick we began researching the family tree. We didn't do any research in the last year because of her illness. I decided to pick it up again this week and came across your post.
I am an Elliott still living in Derry. From posts I think (?) I may fit in somewhere to family research. My father's name is Hugh; his father's name was Nugent & his mother's name was Alice Collins. Nugent & Alice separated when my father was quite young - hence I know very little about the Elliott side of my family.
My father's grandfather was a blacksmith in the Forge in Duke Street; as far as I am aware this man was called Hugh?
May be we can speak soon.
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Hi MeMe I am Mary Nelis nee Elliott living in Derry. Yes you are related to the Elliotts of Fountain Hill. I believe that Hugh Elliott was the brother of my grandfather Lawerence. Both were blacksmiths. I remember Hugh's place in Duke Street. If you visit Gabrielle who is the daughter of my Aunt Agnes, she may be able to give you some more information. I remember Alice. She used to live in Elmwood Terrace. The Elliotts have a fascinating family history but so the Collins family
Regards Mary
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Hi Mary, jeekers its a small world! My name is Michaela, I did Foundation Studies with your son Declan, he told me one time, while we were studying, that we were related. At the time I laughed it off & told him to run on with himself!! Sure what did know!!?
I will check out more into it, thanks for pointing me in the right direction!
Thank you so much, Michaela
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Hi Michaela
Its Gabrielle my mum is Aggie Elliott a niece of Hugh,(we both live in Derry) her father was also a blacksmith in Fountainhill. I have heard her talk of Nuggie thats what they called him, your dad's aunt Anna was very friendly with mum but sadly she passed away a few years ago. I think they are all dead. When I see mum tomorrow I will ask her and let you know what she says. Its a small world Vicky is also a family member who didn't know much about her family history, will chat again soon.
Gabrielle
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Hello Gabrielle, thank you for replying to my message, its very kind of you. I'm just picking up on this family history research after a long absence - my mum passed away 6 weeks ago to cancer - our time was very much taken up with that, so i'm afraid the researching took a back seat!
Yes, you're right, everyone referred to my grandfather as Nuggie. I don't know very much about him; I never met him. I knew that Aunt Anna had passed away - my mum & dad were at her funeral.
I'm still in close contact with one of Jim's daughters, she was my mum's best friend. She's finding mum's death a bit too much to cope with, so I don't like bothering (read that as "bombarding" her) with questions about Elliotts!!!
Thank you again for getting in touch, I would really love to chat soon to piece all this together.
Michaela
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Hi all Elliott Mothers , those still with us and those who have left this planet. Let us celebrate and give thanks for the Mothers who held all our families together
Mary
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Hi Gabrielle, hope you and Aggie enjoy Mothers Day. I think my Aunt Kitty Kerrigan told me that my Father was in the IRA. She also told me that he had won a scholarship to Drumcondra College in Dublin. Always meant to check that out but never got around to it. Sr Ursala has done a lot of research into the Elliott clan. I have copies which she gave me. I can photo copy them for you. I am going to see Ursala in the next few weeks and I will ask her if she has spare copies. Did you know that the old homestead is still standing at Warbleshinney. It is owned by a farmer and the wine cellar is still there. It would be wouldnt it. Talk to you later MARY
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:) My Great Grandmother's maiden name was Martha Elliott, her father's name was John and mother's maiden name Jane Beggs. The only piece of information I have is that her father John was from the Eglinton direction, not a lot to go on. I see you are saying that Sister Ursula has information, any chance there would be a mention of any of my names there......a few week ago, I was told in this chat forum by Denny that it was possible that my Elliott was connected to Fountain Hill Elliotts, Denny is going to check his family tree to see if there is any information there. I am really at that brick wall and do not know where to go to find information. My great granny Martha Doherty (nee Elliott) died 2 February 1900 and I found the grave in the city cemetery unfortunately the cemetery records do not state where she was born, her approximate year of birth was 1842, this is worked out from her marriage and at the time of her marriage her address was given as Bishop Street and her father's occupation was given as a labourer. Her father John Elliott died and her mother Jane (nee Beggs) married again to possibly John Guiler/Guyler. Information passed down the family said that Jane was attended by the Rev. Hayes whilst living with my grandmother Martha Doherty at 209 Bishop Street where she went to be cared for (she is not in this house in the 1901 census) and died sometime between 1902 and 1908, I have been checking obituary columns in the Central Library Foyle Street Derry but can't find any mention of her death.
Nuala McGee
Derry
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Hi Nuala I'll have a look and let you know Mary
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:) Thanks Mary much appreciated. Nuala
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Hi Michaela
I was trying to send you a personal message but could'nt get it right if you can figure it out and send me your email address I would love to meet up for a chat.
Gabrielle
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Hello all ye elliotts! Hope you all had a great mother's day- although husband hacked down my favourite flowering tree without telling me while i was at the shops. It seems the family is growing quickly by the day. Would love to be able to contribute to people finding out about their own families but cannot- i know very little. Mary- would love a copy of the family tree if possible. Great result for ireland at the weekend- shed a tear for wales though- we can't win every year!
Cheers- Vicky
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Hi Vicky dry your eyes as they say in Derry. Great match but it was our turn after 61 years. I am going through the Elliott geneology researched by Sr. Ursala. I need to update it to include the current families. Will photo copy for all of you when I get a minute and a decent photo copier. Sorry about th tree. I would cut his hand off. Love trees. Mary
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Hi everyone. My name is Colm MacNiallais. I am Mary's grandson (and, therefore, Dennis' great-grandson). I am currently living in Dublin (studying Archaeology and Greek and Roman Civilization at UCD) but try to visit Derry as often as possible. I have had several discussions with Grandma about the family tree that she has and have copies of them myself.
Vicky, grandma tells me that you are a history teacher. History and the Classics has been a passion of mine since I was 7 years old. You should add me on Facebook. Just search my name above and my profile picture is of myself in military uniform (from my days in the US Army JROTC).
Colm
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hi colm- good to hear from you. I am the grandaughter of one of Bill, the brother of dennis. I am a law teacher, not a history teacher, although I did history A level a long time ago! I will look for you on facebook, the internet at home is down at the moment- so will look when I have a chance. Have a good weekend!
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Hi Vicky and Michaela Have copies of the Elliott family geneology which I can send you . Need to know where. I am updating the tree at the moment. Let me know Sonas Scra Mary
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Aw, thank you Mary, you're very kind! I would be really grateful to get the information. Do you postal or email address? Or I could collect it from you somewhere?
Thanks a million
Michaela
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can any one help me trace bridget elliott spouse michael logue from warbleshinney they are both buried at ardmore rc cemetery derry cheers ANN
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Ann,
Have you a rough idea of dates, even the death dates.
Regards
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Hi all I have being reading through some research by our second cousin Sister Ursala Mc Hugh who currently resides in the Conveny of Mercy Strabane. I have some onfo on a Bridget Elliott b 1878 d 1944 but she was married to Tom Cassidy. There is also mention among the papers i have of the Elliott cottage and Forge at Warbleshinney, still standing,which mentions a Ned Logue whose cottage is still there in the background. Will try to find out more Mary
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Thank you all
The only dates i have are on the LOGUE tombstone in ARDMORE CEMETERY no dates for Michael or Bridget but there is dates for their children
John 1928 Bridget 1928 Edward1930
Thank you
Regards from New Zealand
ANN
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Hi Ann and Vicky and Michaela and all elliotts
This info is from Ursala's research. There is a lot so i must condense it.
Three Elliott brothers from the lowlands of Scotland, deserted the British Army and came to live in Warbleshinney in Ardmore ,Co Derry
They were William
Edward
James
They were silversmiths but later adapted and became blacksmiths. Opened their 'smithy at Warbleshinney translated from Irish meand the Fox's Tail or brush.
Some of the brothers opened a smithy at the 'Bleach Green Ardmore. The road Elliotts Brea isis named after the place on which the Forge stood. Havent got exact dates but Edward my great grandfather 1824- 1886 married Mary Agnes ( Molly) Mc Laughlin 1816-1852 from Brineys Quarry in Ardmore
Edward and Molly came to live at 27 Fountain Hill an old school house, after they married around 1846. That is the Elliott family home until the family sold it sometime in the 1980's. It is now a resturant named the Ritz Bar.James b 1850 married Mary Mc Callion of the Bolies DerryEdward and Molly had seven children Bridget, b 1878, Edward ,1879, William b 1880, he became a Catholic priest, Lawerence my grandfather, b 1883, Ellen b 1887, Hugh b 1885, Mary 1890.
Will post some more when i get time. Slan Mary
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Thank you Mary
My Bridget must have been older than the one you mentioned as her son Daniel Logue my grandfather married Elizabeth Henry in Waterside in 1886 cheers Ann
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Hi everyone thanks for the info Mary its good to be able to chat to mum about this it helps keep her mind active. Vicky found some photos of your grandfather in Mums house but he is not young in them I would say they are from his visits in 70's/80's. Have been looking to see if I can find any family snaps when they were young, will keep looking. I also found a memoriam card of his death. Michaella sorry I haven't been in touch but have had a lot on meet over easter for that chat?
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hi mary and quiggs and everyone. Hope all all is well with you . mum was down over the weekend. she mentioned that there was a choir of elliotts who came over and participated in the international eistedfodd in llangollen in the 1980s. Do you know if this really happened? I think mary mentioned that the elliotts are known for their singing. Have a happy easter.
vicky
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Hi Vicky your Mum is right, but the choir was not just Elliott's it was called the Foyle Singers, It was in 1977 it was a mixed voice choir which my Mum and Dad were both in. I was over with them at the time. Prior to her death in 1976 Aunt Anna was a choir member also. Indeed the Elliott's are renowned for their singing and many of them were in local choirs in Derry and in Church Choirs. I hope you are a singer and keeping the Elliott voice going for iam most defiantly not. Happy Easter to you and your family. Chat soon Gabrielle
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happy easter too- i hope liverpoool beat chelsea tonight for your boys!
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Football. I,m escaping to the country with my daughter. I sent Ursala a card and the web site. Also my son is taking me on a search this weekend for the old homestead and I'll get some phptos if I find it. I had a letter from the Philadelphia Elliotts, powerful players in the history of Philadelphia. Ursala is not sure if they are our line although John who is a lawyer in Philadelphia has traced his roots to Ardmore. His great great grandfather was a blacksmith who emigrated from Derry in the early 1880's and settled in Schukall County in Philadelphia. I went out to visit him and he still has the anvil from that first forge on his desk. he and his brother John are great people. He told me he plans to come to Ireland this year. We should try and arrange a reunion. He has been herea few years ago and I met him then. He was a great friend of the late Cardinal Tomas O Fiach.
So enjoy Easter. Bet it will snow Beir Bua Mary
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Michaela,
Your grandfather, Nugent, was my grandmothers cousin. Nugents father was Hugh and his mother was MaryAnne nee. Doran. MaryAnne's brother Charlie was my great-grandfather.
Get in touch because I can tell you alot about the Doran's.
Best Wishes,
Oisín
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I have evidence that the Rev William Elliott buried in Long Tower died 1880, had an uncle in Philadelphia earlier than 1880,indeed he was left a sum of money by his brother back here in Derry. This uncle was a brother of Fr Elliott's mother. I have the will and it specifically mentions brother Daniel now residing in Philadelphia.
Unfortunately whilst I believe that the Elliotts from Fountain Hill are connected to the Rev gentleman of 1880 I am unable to confirm this.
A small booklet was printed about his life around the time of his sudden
death at the age of 37.
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micheala, this has to be a relation of yours.
Record Type Civil Birth
Date of Birth 15 Sep 1864
Name Hugh ELLIOTT
Gender M
Fathers Name William ELLIOTT
Mothers Forenames Mary
Mothers Maiden Name NUGENT
Civil District Londonderry
Sub District Clondermot
County Londonderry
regards mary.
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nuala, this is the nearest i can get for the marriage,maybe he was john david or david john.
Record Type Civil Marriage
Date of Marriage 30 May 1867
Groom Name david ELLIOTT
Bride Name jane BEGGS
Church Portrush Presbyterian Church
Parish Ballywillin
Civil District Coleraine
County Antrim
regards mary.
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nuala, just found this one, any chance its them.
Record Type Civil Marriage
Date of Marriage 23 Nov 1848
Groom Name john ELLIOTT
Bride Name jane BEGGS
Church Grange Church of Ireland
Parish Grange
Civil District Armagh
County Armagh
regards mary.
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Hello to all the Elliott's
I have for the past 3 years been digging for information on the Derry Elliott's, mainly those related to the Rev. William Elliott, temperance priest who is buried in the Long Tower burial ground. My gg grandfather Robert Elliott and Thomas Elliott, father of the Rev. William, were brothers. Robert's daughter my g grandmother Brigid Elliott married Charles Ward. I have opened a thread with this data in rootschat some time ago. James Elliott from 4 Friels Terrace was also a cousin of the Rev.William, his father was William Elliott.
I met with sister Ursula and she informed that she had never been able to connect her Elliott line with that of the Rev. William's line.
She gave me a copy of her tree, and, I also have not been able to make a connection. She also gave me a copy of a letter from John Elliott in Pennsylvania in which he stated that he felt his connections gg grandfather Patrick Elliott 1805 - 1900 were possible connected to that of the Rev. William Elliott, Temperance priest, (but not proven).
I have made contact with some cousins of John ( Pennsylvania ) who are also researching the Elliott's. There seems to be some conflict with their findings and that of John's records. There research shows that Johns gg grandparents Patrick Elliott b.1824 and Sarah Mullholland b.1825 in Ireland ( John gives Patrick's birth 1805)
They married in Scotland in June 27th 1846 and there first daughter Mary was born there in 1847 . They emigrated sometime between 1847 - 1860 as they are recorded living in Pennsylvania, America in the 1860 census
Sarah is recorded as being a widow in 1880 census indicating that Patrick died between 1870 - 1880. John gives date of death 1900 ???
I hope I have not confused anyone, I get confused all the time
catherine
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William Elliott and wife Sarah who lived at Bleach Green, Ardmore Londonderry and whose occupation was blacksmith moved to England and he had a son Lawrence who had three children Paul, Sara and Adam.
Have found the Elliott messages most enlightening and informative.
Lawrence could be related via a sibling..... We have very little knowledge of the history and family connections and would like to see a family tree if possible.
Sue
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It's been very interesting to read about all these family connections centered on Derry and it's encouraging me to follow up and get a family tree developed.
My father (James Patrick, b. 1906, d. 1991) was the second youngest of the 8 children of James Elliott and Mary Ann (nee Griffin, possibly from Buncrana area) of 4 Friels terrace. I believe my grandfather, whom I never met, and may have worked on a ship or on the docks in Derry, died in 1909. There is some confusion with the address as the on-line 1911 census list the family address as 27 Nailors Row, with the widow Mary Ann aged 46, the 8 children, the youngest 7 months, and the widows mother Ellen Griffith aged 75.
I know very little about further Elliott connections in Derry. I know the Friels Terrace Elliotts have some connection with Eglinton, as they used to visit there, and I understood this was to meet family, suggesting they were related to other Elliotts in this thread with the Eglinton connection. Also I've heard some talk about a relative in the Waterside.
I understood my fathere elder brother Danny had an IRA connection around 1916, while another brother (William) was in the navy during the first world war. The rest of the family, i.e. my father and his sisters, worked in shirt factories. They moved to the Dublin area in 1924/5 when tarriffs imposed by the Free State meant their factory was unable to sell shirts in the Free State.
Many thanks to tomby for sending me a PM. I haven't posted before and I can't reply with a PM until I have 3 postings apparently. We're not permitted to exchange email addresses so I will have to post some more before I can respond.
I hope this is of interest to someone and would be very pleased if anybody can come forward with more information
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Hi Fuiseog,
One tiny possible correction. I have a James Elliott who married Mary Ann GRIFFITH in Londonderry Roman Catholic Church, Parish of Templemore on 22 May 1890.
Regards
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Many thanks Kinkerswell,
Not only are you quick off the mark, but you are correct, it is Griffith. Thank you for the marriage date which I did not have.
I have a further question in case somebody could help. I have a few photocopies from old versions of the Derry Almanac. In 1894 it lists my grandfather James Elliott at Nailors Row, and in 1887 it lists Thomas Elliott. Could Thomas be James father, my ggf?
Best wishess
fuiseog
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fuiseog
The father of James Elliott was William Elliott. William Elliott had a brother Thomas who was the father of the Rev. William Elliott the temperance Priest.
Marriage record for your grandfather James Elliott and Mary Ann Griffith is as stated in previous post below.
further information from the certificate gives
Place of marriage - St. Eugene's Cathedral
James Elliott - Labourer
Mary Anne Griffith - Factory worker
father of James Elliott - William Elliott, labourer ( deceased)
father of Mary Anne Griffith - Richard Griffith, Labourer (deceased)
Some birth records
Mary Josephine Christina 24/12/1891 address 26 Nailors Row
Ellen Brigid 8/9/1893 address 26 Nailors Row
Annie Francis 12/12 1900 address 4 Friels Terrace, Nailors row
On all 3 birth records their father James profession was that of a fireman
Some of the records give the mother Mary Anne's maiden name as Griffin instead of Griffith so keep that in mind if searching for more records.
Death record for James Elliott 22/11/1910 address 4 Friels Tce. aged 43 , profession - marine fireman
He is buried in the city cemetery.
also buried with him is his daughter Rebecca date of death 14/ 2/ 1922 aged 26
also Ellen Griffith 26/2/1914 aged 85 ( her parents were recorded as Charles and Mary Mullen.
I will fill you in with some more data later as I think that is enough is enough to digest for the moment
tomby
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Many thanks tomby,
There is a lot of new information for me there, like the birthdates of my aunts, the name of my ggf, and the connection to the Rev William. I have vague recollections of some of this information from my father and it's good to get more of the picture clear. I'm going to liaise with my first cousin who has done some work, and hopefully between us we can fill in some further gaps.
I would be interested to hear what our connections are to all these other Derry Elliotts, if anyone can comment.
Much appreciated,
fuiseog
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hi fuiseog,
some more data,
1901 census 4 friels terrace
James Elliott, 40 --fireman
Mary Anne Elliott, wife 33 - housekeeper
Josephine Elliott, daughter, 9 -scholar
Ellen Elliott, daughter,7 - scholar
Rebecca Elliott daughter, 6 - scholar
William Elliott son, 4 - scholar
Daniel Elliott son, 2
Annie Elliott daughter,3mnts
Ellen Griffith mother in law 60- factory girl
Ellen Mullen, boarder 24 -factory girl
all above give City of Derry as place of birth
Obituary James Elliott Derry Journal Nov.25th 1910
Yesterday, notwithstanding the severity of the weather, a considerable concourse of citizens attended the
funeral of James Elliott and accompanied the remains to the City Cemetery. Deceased was of an old Derry stock and a member of a respected family long associated with skilled labour. He was a cousin of the late greatly esteemed Temperance reformer, Father William Elliott, and was himself held in good repute during his industrious and unobtrusive life. Much sympathy is felt for his wife and family.
I did a search for a birth record for James Elliot whose father was William some time back. His age at death 1910 was given as 43, which meant he would have been born circa 1867. No records found between 1860 - 1875
Only record was a Baptism record 27th dec. 1959
James Elliott - Parents William Elliott and Rebecca Kelly.
Other children born to William and Rebecca - Jane, John and Thomas
One more record found but not sure if it is connected marriage - Josephine Elliott to John Kimm 10 Aug 1915
Tomby
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Dear all of the Elliotts of Fountain Hill, (Mary, Dennis and all the others who have written on here in relation to my original posting)
It has been a while since I have been in touch with you all and I hope that you are all well. In particular I hope that Aggie is in good health and would love to get back in touch.
Kind regards, Vicky Elliott
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Dear all of the Elliotts of Fountain Hill, (Mary, Dennis and all the others who have written on here in relation to my original posting)
It has been a while since I have been in touch with you all and I hope that you are all well. In particular I hope that Aggie is in good health and would love to get back in touch.
Kind regards, Vicky Elliott
Hello I'm Gabrielle's daughter Naomi just happen to be looking up my family tree a bit on my mums side an came across this thread. Its with regret that I tell u Vicky that Aggie passed away April 2010 not long after her 89th birthday. Her illness was sudden an a tough 3 weeks on us all. I don't know if u will get this message or not or I may already know but I thought I would tell u.
Kind regards
Naomi
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Dear Naomi-
thanks for your message. I am so sorry to hear about Aunt Aggie- I never had the opportunity to meet her, but I know that both my dad (Mike) and grandad (Bill- Aggie's brother) thought a great deal of her. I also have some sad news - my father passed away in 2010, at the age of 69. He was suddenly taken ill in October 09, and despite a brave fight and long stay in intensive care, passed away on the 14th Jan. He was pleased that I had got in touch with some of his family over in Derry and I would really like to come over to the city some time in the future, to see dad's old haunts.
Please pass on my regards to everyone.
Best wishes, Vicky Elliott
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Hi Vicky and Noami. This is Colm again, Mary Elliot Nelis' grandson. I hope you are all keeping well. I know this is really late but am so sorry to hear about your dad, Vicky, and about Aunt Aggie, of course. Unfortunately, Sister Ursula McHugh, who my grandma mentioned to you before, passed away in December 2010. I have since made it a personal task to build up a complete family tree from her research. It now includes nearly 650 people and goes back to the 4th century CE, through the Elliotts and the McLaughlins, namely Edward Elliott and his wife, Mary Agnes (Molly) McLaughlin. I am reviewing all the previous messages here to try to make sense of it and see where everyone fits in. I would love to get in touch with you and anyone else in the Elliot family so that we can exchange info and keep everyone in touch. I am on Facebook and if you guys could PM me, I can send you links and any documents I may have. Grandma is doing well. I hope everyone here is well too. Look forward to hearing from you.
Colm
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Two graves beside each other in Ardmore cemetery
1 HUGH ELLIOTT d1970 a85(?)
MARYANN(WIFE) d1966 a79
RITA. d1954 a27
RORY d1999 a78
JOE. d2001 a71
ANNA d2007 a87
If I'm right, this is the family you are looking for and I don't think the children here married
2 The second grave is Hugh and MaryAnn's son James and family
JAMES ELLIOTT d1979 a85
JIMMY d1973 a29 (SON)
Jimmy was my best man and we were great friends.He was killed in a road accident.
Hope this is a help
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My great grandmother was Ann(e) Elliott she married John Magill. My research has them coming from The Fountain/Wapping Lane but given the Elliott’s of Fountain Hill being discussed here could this be an error in my research. Do any of the Elliott’s know about the Magill (McGill) connection.
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Hi there, I'm very new to this site .
I am reading your information on the Elliott family. I've been doing my Elliott family tree for years now and hit a brick wall. I had been looking for a marriage for my great great grandfather John William Elliott born around 1856. Through a wrongly transcribed baptism record of one of their children I should of been looking in Derry for his marriage. They married on 1879 church of Ireland Derry, parish of Templemore. He married Frances(known as Fannie) Wilson. There address was Roseville street. John's father was also John.
On speaking to a family member who had a little info(there is no one alive to ask now) he mentioned his mother said the Elliott's were from Eglinton. I have no info on siblings for John just that they didn't stay in Derry, they moved to Chorley, England then stayed on Salford. John was a coachman.
I was wondering if you knew anymore on Eglinton Elliott's or recognised any of the above named from ancestry or anything.
Any information or advice would be very much Appreciated.
Thank you
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Welcome to RootsChat, Mand1971 :)
I had been looking for a marriage for my great great grandfather John William Elliott born around 1856. Through a wrongly transcribed baptism record of one of their children I should of been looking in Derry for his marriage. They married on 1879 church of Ireland Derry, parish of Templemore. He married Frances(known as Fannie) Wilson. There address was Roseville street. John's father was also John.
Here's the link to the 1879 marriage-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1879/11066/8048745.pdf
Married on the 6 May 1879 in Londonderry Cathedral. John Elliott a coachman, his father John a ploughman. Fannie Wilson a servant, her father Thomas a labourer.
KG
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Thank you so much for that. It's been fascinating reading all the messages.
As I know no names of siblings for John William and only his father's name I think it's trying to find his birth now. They moved to Chorley between their marriage and the 1881 census where he was a coachman at Euxton Hall. I can't remember my nanna mentioning about any other Elliott family apart from her aunt and uncle Thomas and Henrietta who were both born in England. Thank you for the info and hopefully I can find out more about the Eglington link .
Thanks Amanda.
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Hi Vicky and Noami. This is Colm again, Mary Elliot Nelis' grandson. I hope you are all keeping well. I know this is really late but am so sorry to hear about your dad, Vicky, and about Aunt Aggie, of course. Unfortunately, Sister Ursula McHugh, who my grandma mentioned to you before, passed away in December 2010. I have since made it a personal task to build up a complete family tree from her research. It now includes nearly 650 people and goes back to the 4th century CE, through the Elliotts and the McLaughlins, namely Edward Elliott and his wife, Mary Agnes (Molly) McLaughlin. I am reviewing all the previous messages here to try to make sense of it and see where everyone fits in. I would love to get in touch with you and anyone else in the Elliot family so that we can exchange info and keep everyone in touch. I am on Facebook and if you guys could PM me, I can send you links and any documents I may have. Grandma is doing well. I hope everyone here is well too. Look forward to hearing from you.
Colm
Hi All,
Gina from Australia bringing you news of yet another Catholic Elliott branch that DNA Matching ( Ancestry, My Heritage, FTDNA & Gedmatch) has indicated links to the Fountain Hill Elliott clan.
My great grandfather, John Elliott Jnr b 1831 in Faughanvale, nr Eglington, Derry, came to Australia in the 1850's, with his brother & married sister (Rosanna Gallagher) Their emigration shipping records gave the details of their lives to date. The 1841& 1851 Census in Lennoxtown, Scotland, confirmed the details.
Their parents, John Elliott Snr & Mary (nee Mullan) had moved their family from Faughanvale to Lennoxtown, Campsie, Scotland around 1838. The 3 sons ( Edward, James & John Jnr all became Coal Miners). Only Edward remained in Scotland after his siblings left for the Gold Fields of Australia.
Thanks to the records available through Scotland's People I'm able to identify another generation back. John Elliott Snr's Death Registration in 1865 reveals his father to be an Edward Elliott, Blacksmith, deceased & his mother to be Mary McShane, deceased.
From my searching it seems highly likely that Edward & Mary had a Forge at Slaughtmanus, Derry. It's my conjecture that somehow, the Elliott men who had the later Forges link back to this Edward Elliott & Mary McShane. Their son, my 2xgreat grandfather, appears to have worked as an agricultural labourer all of his life. Perhaps there was not enough work for them all in their father's forge.
My great grandfather told of his Elliott Family Story as being exiled from the Scottish Borders because of their Catholicism. According to the Elliott Clan Chief in Scotland, this dates the exile as far back as 1605 ( the accession of James VI of Scotland to also being James I of England). Any Elliott wanting to remain in the Borders after this time would have had to renounce their Catholic Faith. She said, you'll not find any Catholic Elliotts here!
Interestingly, when I also visited Lennoxtown on that trip I was told that it was a safe place for Irish Catholics & that there was a high proportion of them living/ working there still today.
There's a lot of generations to fill in between 1606 & the Edward Elliott bc 1765 that married to Mary McShane bc 1770.
Regards,
Gina Gedmatch Kit JT9859871
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Now i won't be connected to the Elliott's of Fountain Hill, although my family were/are from Londonderry City.
But just to clarify a couple of things. You have to take information given by Clan Elliot with a pinch of salt. Their take on history is very generic. Its true that there were no Catholic Elliot's along the Scottish Borders around 1600. There hadn't been any for a long time before then, but there was no exile to Ireland.
Ulster in the Plantation by King James I had been given over to Landlords & servitors. A so called 'exile' just couldn't roll up & get a house & a bit of land. There were qualifications for going over.
One was being Protestant & the other British as distinguished by the definition then. English or Scots....Low Land Scots Presbyterians.
Thats the first thing. Second is there were no
Elliot 's listed in the early records for the Militia in Londonderry City or County. So they were not there 1610-40.
There are Elliot's....one T when first over from Scotland, on the 1665 Hearth Tax Rolls. They are identified as Planters. They are there as colonists. All Elliott's in Ireland would probably be. The false stories of having to leave Scotland runs through dozens of families trees. Often found in America after the War of Independence.
The family history suddenly says they had to leave Scotland/Ireland as they were wanted or something similar. It is just later generations trying to distance themselves from the British connection. Think about it logically. Your a Scottish Catholic in the 1600's after Guy Fawkes plot, you'd really head for Ulster? No you wouldn't. Unless you were actually a Scottish Presbyterian then you would go where your people were. Londonderry. There is an Elliot family at Cumber Parish and one at Clondermott Parish, listed as Planters 1665.
Slaughtmanus is in Cumber Parish.
By the start of the 1700's the Scots had been there a long time, 100 years, intermarriage was not uncommon. Presbyterians had largely the same restrictions as Catholics. Around this time you start to see Catholic Elliott families in County Meath & Fermanagh.
As most people who research Ireland know, the families as a rule didn't move too far. Except to go to America or the like. So those Elliott's at Cumber Parish stand a good chance of being connected to you.
Thats the first bit. Second bit is dna. Not the autosomal ancestry dna but the Y paternal line dna. I have tested my Y dna to a high level.
I was placed in the L193+ group for Elliott's. This is referred to as the main Scottish Border Elliot family.....we do not match the majority of Elliott's wherever they are found. There are 512 Elliott Y tested. My closest matches amount to 74, of which maybe 30 are in the centre section of the main group. This means that 30 have a common ancestor any time from about 1450 or sooner. The date the name Elliot is first seen on a written document is about then.
I am in that group of 30. I have two close matches. An old American family emigrated 1750 & a later, now Australian family. We all connect to a common ancestor in Donegal about 1700. In the whole of Ireland there are only 1 other group closely matched to us. From just outside Ballymena. Thats it. There are a handful of more distant Elliott's who will be from pre 1450. Plus quite a few Irish surnames, but also distant.
There are no Ydna matches that match to Clan Elliot i am aware of. Not just mine.
This does not mean any others named Elliott are not Elliott's or do not come from Scotland originally. It just means that there are many different families not connected. No single origin.
It is possible your line were Catholic Elliot's in Scotland but did not go to Ireland until 1700's but were not off the Borders where mine were. But another part.
A Y dna test of one of your line would be good.
Rob Elliott